TC Scout Carbine

[54bore]

Curious about the Twist Rate of the TC Scout Carbines, i have read 1:20 for the .54, 1:38, and 1:48, from what i gather the .54 Cal seems to be 1:20 Twist only? And the .50 could be 1:20, 1:38, and possibly 1:48? The earliest .50 Cals being a 1:20 Twist and later .50 Cal models TC went to 1:38-1:48? Can anyone confirm this? I am interested in either a .50 or .54 with the 1:20 For shooting my PP bullets. I recently bought a like new .50 Cal Scout Pistol and am VERY impressed with it. The Breech plug/nipple outfit is kinda funky but works just fine, swabbing between shots and cleaning the plug/nipple in my opinion is key to success with this setup. Would love to find a really nice little Carbine with the Fast 1:20 Twist and wood stock, i see them with the plastic type stocks as well (those dont interest me). I see them on Gun broker for 250-400ish there is a really nice, possibly new .50 Cal on there now that has a twisted off butt plate screw, Box, paper work, sling, sling swivels, for 299 bucks starting bid, serial no 71XX, i have watched this particular one end and relist at the same 299, they dont seem to be in high demand? I might go for this one? its about to end again, i would prefer a .54 Cal, but if i can find a .50 with the Fast 1:20 Twist that would be fine to. Anybody have one they are interested in selling for less than a fortune? Any info on these Carbines? When did TC go to the faster twist? Etc. Thanks

[54bore]

I bid on the one i mentioned, hopefully its the Faster Twist? Now if no one cut throats me! If you do, dont tell me about it! LOL

[charlie b]

I almost bought one years ago, but, an owner warned me off. He hated his cause it was so light the recoil bothered him. For hunting I think that would not be a big deal. But, for someone like me who wants to spend most of a day shooting it, I never bought one.

Looked up the manual. They list loads for >400gn bullets so that tells me it is a relatively fast twist.

[johnson1942]

if it is a 1/20 twist and 50 cal or bigger bore that is just too fast for anything less that 700 grain or more. it requires a too large a bullet and the gun is too light. ment for sabots. some can get them to shoot fair with bullets in the forest shot range but never ever out there where the other guns can shoot. the 50/90 sharps made today is best with a 1/28 twist barrel or even a 1/32 twist, i have a 50 1/23 and i need at least a 600 grain bullet to do well in it.its a waste of money buying it unless your going to shoot sabots and then you will have to shoot a 400 grain 45 cal bullet to make that work also. way too fast of twist.

[54bore]

if it is a 1/20 twist and 50 cal or bigger bore that is just too fast for anything less that 700 grain or more. it requires a too large a bullet and the gun is too light. ment for sabots. some can get them to shoot fair with bullets in the forest shot range but never ever out there where the other guns can shoot. the 50/90 sharps made today is best with a 1/28 twist barrel or even a 1/32 twist, i have a 50 1/23 and i need at least a 600 grain bullet to do well in it.its a waste of money buying it unless your going to shoot sabots and then you will have to shoot a 400 grain 45 cal bullet to make that work also. way too fast of twist.

Honestly this thing is more to match the Scout pistol i own, i have WAAAY better guns for hunting, target shooting, etc. This little gun looks and from what ive read handles like a little 30-30, i packed a little Pre 64 model 94 Winchester 30-30 many of my young years. This will be more of a fun little gun than practical. I might try the Sabots tho just for the fun of it, thats if i end up getting it

[greenmntranger]

Practical enough for this young man up in Coos County NH last year

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/922/x0hHxZ.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmx0hHxZj)

[mooman76]

I wouldn't go as far as to say the scout it light but it isn't heavy either. I've never had a problem with mine and recoil. I used the Lee REALs bot the light and heavier one.

[54bore]

And since this is a .50 Cal i have read conflicting info on the Twist Rate that is why i figured I would ask here if anyone actually knows? The gun i am looking at on GB has a serial no. 71XX, as stated above i have read 1:20, 1:38, and even 1:48 for the .50 Cal, supposedly the 1:20 Twist was the earliest models, then TC went to 1:38-1:48, is serial no. 71XX considered the earliest? Its a shame that TC themselves can't provide accurate info these days on their old guns, due to a factory fire where they lost nearly everything correct?

[barnabus]

I bid on the one i mentioned, hopefully its the Faster Twist? Now if no one cut throats me! If you do, dont tell me about it! LOL
I had a dirt bag member here do that to me when I was asking about an item on gunbroker last fall same as you. I'd never do that again!

[54bore]

I had a dirt bag member here do that to me when I was asking about an item on gunbroker last fall same as you. I'd never do that again!

Hopefully that don't happen, i guess if it does they needed it worse than me? I see these things often for this price so it isn't like a screaming deal of the century plus this one has a broke off butt plate screw. Williams gunsight sells used guns, they have a nice .50 Cal Scout with a scope for 250 bucks.

[54bore]

greenmntranger, That is a NICE whitetail!! Those big whitetail bucks are my addiction, i have successfully hunted mule deer, (my best was 170-1/8 with my bow) and i hunted Blacktail deer on the Wa Coast almost my whole life, i killed some darn nice ones, but NONE compare to hunting these Whitetail in my opinion. I have enjoyed every second of every hunt from Blacktail to these Whitetail, but the Big Whitetail bucks are my passion, even above Elk hunting.

[greenmntranger]

54bore, I too live for Whitetail. Sad to say, my state rifle and ML season runs a short 1 month combined, and my job's busy season falls in bow season. That said, my best was a 196 lb 6 pointer about 6 years ago. The one in the picture ran 220.

[barnabus]

Hopefully that don't happen, i guess if it does they needed it worse than me? I see these things often for this price so it isn't like a screaming deal of the century plus this one has a broke off butt plate screw. Williams gunsight sells used guns, they have a nice .50 Cal Scout with a scope for 250 bucks.

I love my 50 Scout rifle and pistol.Mine drives tacks. I bought a custom shop New Englander shotgun of the Williams sight not too long ago.

[BPJONES]

There was one on one of our Canadian forums without a scope, that was listed 2 weeks ago for I believe $350.00. It sold right away which kind of surprised me. I bought one that looks like new with the quick detach mount and scope about 2 years ago and it was under $300.00. The guy tried for more but couldn't get it at that time.

[starmac]

I have bought both a 50 and a 54, from mrmbers right here on this forum, neither was like new, but not bad either.
Iirc I paid 200 for the 5o and maybe 250 for the 54.

I have never played with them enough to get the best out of them, but even with some 530 grain bullets in the 54 recoil wasn not bad.

[54bore]

Well i won the auction! I believe the gun is new? The guy had it listed as 'looks like new, possibly unfired?' By his pictures i think its new? box, paperwork, the sling and sling swivels stil in plastic. The nipple area looks brand new. I am excited to get it! Will be fun to mess with, along with my other 100 projects! LOL

[johnson1942]

if you get a 50 with a 1/20 twist get the mmp sabots that hold a .458 bullet and shoot a 400 grain 458 bullet in that sabot. will drive tacks as far as you can see. it is a handy looking rifle.

[BPJONES]

Well i won the auction! I believe the gun is new? The guy had it listed as 'looks like new, possibly unfired?' By his pictures i think its new? box, paperwork, the sling and sling swivels stil in plastic. The nipple area looks brand new. I am excited to get it! Will be fun to mess with, along with my other 100 projects! LOL

Congrats on winning. They are nice little rifles and do remind one of the 30-30 lever guns.

[greenmntranger]

I have bought both a 50 and a 54, from mrmbers right here on this forum, neither was like new, but not bad either.
Iirc I paid 200 for the 5o and maybe 250 for the 54.

I have never played with them enough to get the best out of them, but even with some 530 grain bullets in the 54 recoil wasn not bad.

Think one of those was mine starmac, wasn't it?

[54bore]

Will be interesting to see what the Twist rate is in this gun?

[starmac]

Think one of those was mine starmac, wasn't it?

I am pretty sure it was, just not for sure which one. I am thinking the 54.

[starmac]

Just a suggestion, nipples for these are almost unattainable, but as of a couple of years ago TOW still had them in stock. If it was me I would pick up one or three. lol

[54bore]

Just a suggestion, nipples for these are almost unattainable, but as of a couple of years ago TOW still had them in stock. If it was me I would pick up one or three. lol

Thanks for the heads up! I am aware of this, i own a Scout .50 Cal pistol that uses the same plug/nipple, and yes TOW has them, they are close to 20 bucks

[54bore]

Anyone have an old rotted out Scout Carbine Barrel laying around? I picked up a .54 Cal Scout Barrel and it is missing the under rib and thimbles. I havnt got the barrel yet, i bought it by pictures and the guys word that the bore is in great shape, the Blueing looks good, everything except missing the under rib and thimbles. Anyone know if a New Englander under rib would work? It shouldn't be tough to have one made if i cant find one? Thanks

[johnson1942]

if it is a 1/20 twist i would do this, put a dead mule in the butt stock, and a nice recoil pad over the butt stock. i would try 650 grain paper patch bullets from buffalo arms. only use 70 grains of real black. bet it could be tamed and become a real bear, moose killer. i get my dead mules from midway, they really work and are about 70 dollars each.

[54bore]

if it is a 1/20 twist i would do this, put a dead mule in the butt stock, and a nice recoil pad over the butt stock. i would try 650 grain paper patch bullets from buffalo arms. only use 70 grains of real black. bet it could be tamed and become a real bear, moose killer. i get my dead mules from midway, they really work and are about 70 dollars each.

This is my plan Roger, i have put lace up Recoil Pads on all of my guns and I REALLY like them! I got mine from Buffalo arms, they are high quality pads with a thick gel insert. I plan to do the exact same thing with this New TC Scout. My new Custom .533 Paper Patch mold should be a good one for this Rifle, I would bet this .54 Scout Carbine barrel is 1:20 Twist, at least everything i have read states that the .54s were all 1:20 Twist. The .50 Cal is the one i am not sure about? I have read the early ones are 1:20, then 1:38, and possibly even 1:48? I will soon find out what they both are, the rifle is in Transit, and so is the .54 barrel, i should get everything by the end of next week. I think i found an under rib for the .54 Barrel also? If it pans out i will get it on its way monday. I can stil shoot the .54 barrel if i choose to, i always have a range rod with me. Should be a fun little rifle to play around with. I have a peep sight on its way as well! Its a Williams FP-T/C designed for the Scout, i went with the Target Knobs, And a Gib Lock for the Elevator, i also went with a .570W .60 thousandths fiber optic front bead sight, with the TC Scout Williams calls for this particular Height front sight (Since the peep mounts on the Reciever and is higher than a Tang mounted Peep) The Williams peep will look just like the one on my Hawken that I recently had photos of on here, or actually more like the one Idahoron has pictured on here mounted on an MK-85 Knight. When i get it all put together i will post some pics of it.

[Rick Hodges]

I just pulled my .54 TC Scout Carbine out and ran a tight patch down the bore. It is one turn in 21-22" there might have been a little slippage so 1:20 is about right.
I can tell you that 90 gr. of 3f under a 435 gr. maxi-hunter is decidedly unpleasant to shoot. It is accurate and hard hitting at both ends. The same load under a 380gr. Lee R.E.A.L. works well also.

[mooman76]

http://stevespages.com/pdf/thompsoncenter_scout_rifle_pistol.pdf

[mooman76]

I just checked an old BP book I have. It lists some guns from way back(old book) and the T/C Scout is in there. It only lists the 50 though but stated it was in a 1/20 twist.

[wgr]

I have never shot my 54 barrel but the 50cal. with a 300grain xtp is deadly out to 200yards . I do shoot maxie balls too shot 90grains of pryo are 2ff . with that load and the maxie I have killed deer out to 175yards little better with the sabot and 300grain xtp. never a problem. 1 to 1/2 in at 100 yards

[Newtire]

I just bought a nice little .50 wood stocked carbine and it's a 1-20". Haven't shot it yet but feels like would be a good candidate for a recoil pad. Anyone know who makes that recoil pad like the one in this post....the leather one?

[johnson1942]

buffalo arms has really nice slip on lace up ones. if the recoil is still too much then look up dead mules from the midway site, it along with the recoil pad will almost eliminate the recoil.

[54bore]

I just bought a nice little .50 wood stocked carbine and it's a 1-20". Haven't shot it yet but feels like would be a good candidate for a recoil pad. Anyone know who makes that recoil pad like the one in this post....the leather one?

I have lace up leather pads on 4 of my muzzleloaders, i got mine from Buffalo Arms, they are made by ACTION and called 'kick killer' i went with a Small, i had to trim the leather and repunch the holes, wasn't a tough job at all. The Extra Small might be a better fit? When i get this Scout i plan to take it over to Buffalo Arms and try on the Extra Small size, i will post my findings. I really like these lace up pads, high quality leather, even the lace itself. Here is one of my Renegades with this pad installed

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[54bore]

I just got my Scout this morning, it is definitely brand new unfired, i checked the Twist and it is 1:20, i went over to Buffalo Arms and picked a lace up recoil pad, i went with the XS (Extra Small) seemed the best fit, i tried a Small as well but like my Renegades i would of had to trim the leather and punch new holes, looking back I probably should have went with XS Pads on them as well? But Trimming the excess leather and punching new holes is no big deal at all and the Small fits the butt plate perfectly. You wont go wrong either way, my Renegades feel AWESOME with the Small. Here is the XS pad installed on my Scout.

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[54bore]

And here is the box the lace up Recoil Pad came in. Even has B.A.C.O.s order number on it.

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[johnson1942]

do you have a at least 550 or more grain pp bullet to try in it? also remember a orange mmp sabot with a 400 grain .458 bullet will do well in it also.

[54bore]

do you have a at least 550 or more grain pp bullet to try in it? also remember a orange mmp sabot with a 400 grain .458 bullet will do well in it also.

I do, these are BACO 550 Grain bullets, i can get these same bullets all the way up to 650 Grains.

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[johnson1942]

try the 650 with 70 grains of real black.should get 1100 to 1200 ft per sec out of the barrel.

[54bore]

try the 650 with 70 grains of real black.should get 1100 to 1200 ft per sec out of the barrel.

I figure i will try Sabots in it as well, my hopes is to get a PP bullet to work in it!

[54bore]

Another pic of the New Little Scout, it came in its factory box with sling, and sling swivels stil sealed in the plastic. I REALLY like this little Rifle, they are truly built like a little TANK! The Williams FP-T/C Peep for the Scout with Elevator Gib Lock, and .570W .60 thou front fiber optic bead should be here tomorrow, i will throw another pic of it up when i get it all set up.

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[BPJONES]

That's one fine looking rifle. I agree, they are very well built, nice little guns.

[54bore]

Here it is finished! Ready to get out and shoot it!

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[54bore]

If it dont pour the rain today i plan on shooting this rifle, gonna try the S&W 500 PP bullets, and the Buffalo arms 550 Grain PP Bullets, im thinking 70 Grains of 3F, or 80 Grains of 2F to start? I have both 2 and 3F in Swiss powder, also have a new can of Goex 3F. Hopefully i can get this little rifle to like a Paper Patched bullet? I sure like the feel of it! This new Williams Peep and front sight Globe setup nice. I also got the 54 Cal barrel yesterday, i was skeptical about buying it sight unseen (anything blackpowder) it turned out really good, i gave the barrel a thorough cleaning, patented breech detail and all, i dropped my bore light in and she's perfect! Nice bright rifling. I have to find an under rib and Scout thimbles for this 54 barrel. I can shoot it, just cant hold a ramrod in it.

[Harleysboss]

Nice looking piece you got there. Kindda looks like a Rolling Block. Its rained so much on this side I think I can swim upright just like a Duck!

[54bore]

Nice looking piece you got there. Kindda looks like a Rolling Block. Its rained so much on this side I think I can swim upright just like a Duck!

Its Pi$$in it down here right now, Our snow is almost gone down low here, stil a little bit in my back yard, and where it slid off the house. Be able to start shootin soon, im not gonna go stand in the rain though. I was hoping to get out and shoot this Scout today, but not gonna happen

[starmac]

I need to get out and work with mine some more.
There is a few things I really like about these scouts.
For one they are handier to carry on an atv than any of my other muzzle loaders.
For another I shoot left handed and they are well suited for that. I am not crazy about the look of most inlines, but can stand the look of these. lol

What number is that williams sight, I am thinking I am going to want one or three. lol

[OverMax]

Dandy big bodied deer. Lots of sausage on that one (pictured.) My congrats to >The Marksman. Well done young man.
Five Four Bore. How could you stray? That Scout is simply a inline in disguised. Here I assumed you were a true blue side lock feller. :groner:

[54bore]

Dandy big bodied deer. Lots of sausage on that one (pictured.) My congrats to >The Marksman. Well done young man.
Five Four Bore. How could you stray? That Scout is simply a inline in disguised. Here I assumed you were a true blue side lock feller. :groner:

I couldn't resist the little 30-30 feel, thats my story and I'm stickin to it! LOL

[54bore]

I need to get out and work with mine some more.
There is a few things I really like about these scouts.
For one they are handier to carry on an atv than any of my other muzzle loaders.
For another I shoot left handed and they are well suited for that. I am not crazy about the look of most inlines, but can stand the look of these. lol

What number is that williams sight, I am thinking I am going to want one or three. lol

starmac, it is the Williams FP-T/C Encore/Omega TK, The FP stands for 'Fail Proof' and The TK stands for 'Target Knobs' i also went with the side Gib Lock for the Elevator, without the Gib Lock you would need a little flat head screw driver to make elevation adjustments in the field, I personally think they ALL should come standard with the Gib, same for the TK (target knobs) without them you would need a little flat head screw driver. These Williams peeps are TOP NOTCH when set up right.

[Newtire]

Thanks for the help on the recoil pad info and sorry for the slow response. Actually, looking to put one on a Mowrey fast-twist .50 I bought a few years ago. The buttplate is pretty narrow and looks like it would make a good splitting maul if you had a piece of tough oak.

[54bore]

I found another old Scout in .54 Cal locally, gonna go take a look at it this Evening, if its in good shape i'll drag it home with me. This one is totally different, has a Crescent butt plate and called a 'Texas Scout' from what i gather they made very few of these, twist rate is suppose to be 1:38, here is what it looks like, minus the brass nose cap

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[Newtire]

Wow! Color case and part octagon. Nice looking. I wonder if you can fit different caliber barrelt into those receivers? Like a .54 into a .50 receiver?

[54bore]

Wow! Color case and part octagon. Nice looking. I wonder if you can fit different caliber barrelt into those receivers? Like a .54 into a .50 receiver?

Newtire, I didn't realize until you mentioned it that the picture i posted is half octagon/round, so i am wrong on that picture, the one i am going to look at does NOT have the half octagon barrel, it is round all the way and has the Crescent butt plate, the one i am looking at also appears to have a Case color to the Reciever, It appears TC made a few variances to the Scout, The Cody Scout is Octagon all the way 'i read somewhere that the barrels used for the Cody were cut down Renegade barrels and were 1:48 Twist?' Was hoping that someone here might shed more light on these things? I cant find much info, mostly what i have read is from other forum talk. The pictures i have of the actual gun are not that great but i will post them anyway

[54bore]

Here is a Cody Scout

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[54bore]

And here is the actual gun i am going to look at

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[johnson1942]

let us know the twist of it if you buy it as then we can figure out the perfect bullet length for pp it.

[54bore]

Wow! Color case and part octagon. Nice looking. I wonder if you can fit different caliber barrelt into those receivers? Like a .54 into a .50 receiver?

Yes you can, at least the new in the box .50 Carbine i just bought, i had also found a used .54 Barrel on Ebay that was missing the under rib, and thimbles, i gambled on it fitting, I tried the 54 barrel after i recieved it and it fits perfectly to the new .50 Scout. The recievers, trigger assembly i bet are all the same (except maybe the Octagon barrel Cody Scout?)

[54bore]

let us know the twist of it if you buy it as then we can figure out the perfect bullet length for pp it.

Will do Johnson1942, i am gonna take my range rod, a few patches, bore light, tools to take the gun apart. I will try and figure out twist rate with my range rod and a tight fitting patch, i can get close, tape the Rod and measure it. Hopefully this one is 1:38, from what little info i can find ive read 1:38?

[Newtire]

Thanks .54 Bore. Looking now like a more versatile rifle than I had at first thought.

[johnson1942]

a 1/38 twist would make it a real hunter and shooter for a sensible bullet. probably could turn out to be your main squeeze.

[54bore]

a 1/38 twist would make it a real hunter and shooter for a sensible bullet. probably could turn out to be your main squeeze.

I absolutely love the way these little Scouts feel, and the way they are built. Around here in this thick brushy country it will be a pleasure to have a rifle this nimble to carry around. The closest thing i can compare one of these to is a lever action 30-30, i carried one of those for many years and killed lots of game with one.

[54bore]

I ended up getting it, i got a really good deal on it, Its a darn nice little rifle! I don't think this is a 'Texas Scout' tho? From what i read the 'Texan Scout' has the State of Texas stamped in the barrel, and it also has the brass nose cap on the fore end, this rifle has neither. The only thing about this one that resembles the 'Texas Scout' is the Crescent butt plate, and Case colored reciever. This one is a 1:20 fast twist. I plan to shoot it tomorrow, i have 4 different style PP bullets to try in it, all are double wrapped onion skin paper and sized to .539, unless it's pouring the rain tomorrow i should have a range report.

[BPJONES]

Hmmmm-from 0 to 2 (plus a barrel) in a very short span--better be careful or you could end up with a collection!!

[54bore]

Hmmmm-from 0 to 2 (plus a barrel) in a very short span--better be careful or you could end up with a collection!!

LOL, ive got a short wall standing full of muzzleloader's, barrels and pistols under my bed, no hope for me! I cant pass up a decent deal on a TC!

[54bore]

Got a chance to shoot the newest Scout .54 Cal 1:20 Fast twist, The bullets i chose were from a brand new Lyman Great plains 54 Cal mold, they weighed in at 460 Grains, they are .845 long and are the shortest 54 Cal bullet i own, I tried sizing at .539 but they loaded to tight (this bore is noticeably tighter than my other 54s) I lubed and sized the bullets to .538, wiped them clean of lube and wrapped them with 2 wraps of 9# onion skin paper and sent them back through the .538 sizing die. This was 80 Yards, i shot a total of 6 shots, 3 sight moves and then hung a new target and shot a 3 shot group. 70 weight Grains of Swiss 3F powder, and 58 Cal wool Oxyoke over powder wads. Not bad for 1st outing. Target is sideways in this pic for whatever reason? The shots were low. I recovered these bullets to check performance, again very pleased!

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[54bore]

My dad shot with me today, he used the same Lyman Great Plains bullets EXCEPT he greased and loaded them like Maxi balls (The way these were intended to be used) he also used a wool over powder wad, his powder charge was his old standby of 100 Grains Goex 2F, the 4 shots up top are the bullets i just mentioned, and then i talked him in to shooting a few of my sized and paper patched ones, they were from my new custom .533 Mold, they weigh in at 515 Grains, they are the 3 Lower shots. Dads rifle is a Renegade, the barrel is one i gave him, it is a .54 Cal Hawken with QLA muzzle

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[Newtire]

Hmmmm-from 0 to 2 (plus a barrel) in a very short span--better be careful or you could end up with a collection!! I ended up with 2-24" barreled guns as I thought for sure the first one was a carbine. Now my problem is losing the front sight when I cut off the end of one of the rifle's barrels-unless...I cut out a section in the middle!?!

[Geezer in NH]

Having to carry it with no cap on the nipple per TC's manual kind of knocks it as a hunting gun why did they bother to make it feel like a 94 win if you cannot per their manual carry it with a cap on the nipple??

I HATE LAWYERS.

[54bore]

Having to carry it with no cap on the nipple per TC's manual kind of knocks it as a hunting gun why did they bother to make it feel like a 94 win if you cannot per their manual carry it with a cap on the nipple??

I HATE LAWYERS.

I agree Geezer, its a bummer they didn't come up with a 1/4-half cock setup like all the others. This little rifle handles like a dream, and it's a definite shooter!

Kinda reminds me of Freedom arms, you are not suppose to carry them with one under the hammer (or at least you weren't, did they ever fix this?) they don't, or at least didn't have a transfer bar setup like Ruger went to. I read of a guy that shot his leg with a 454 Casull, i bet that smarted!!

[charlie b]

I had a Lyman inline that was like that, ie, no way to carry it capped safely. I made a 'safety' out of a piece of PVC pipe. Turned it to fit between the hammer and nipple. I'd put a cap on it, insert the 'safety', and let the hammer down on it. When I wanted to fire I just cocked it and the 'safety' would just fall out (it had a little lanyard on it). Also helped keep rain out of that area of the gun.

[Rick Hodges]

The T.C. Scout is every bit as safe as a traditional sidelock on half cock. It is lawyer speak pure and simple. Every gun you buy today says don't cap or load it until ready to fire. The hammer is held off the cap and can't go forward until you pull the trigger and even then it is doubtful you could hit it hard enough to make it go off unless you pull it to full cock first.

[johnson1942]

i always look at guns built in the old style. as this. never ever get in a situation where the muzzle is pointed at your self. first and last rule. never walk with it pointed at your buddy. watch your feet when you walk. control the gun if you can when you fall in the woods. never ever get the muzzle out of your mind. also if you have a friend that is careless when hunting, dont hunt with them again.

[54bore]

i always look at guns built in the old style. as this. never ever get in a situation where the muzzle is pointed at your self. first and last rule. never walk with it pointed at your buddy. watch your feet when you walk. control the gun if you can when you fall in the woods. never ever get the muzzle out of your mind. also if you have a friend that is careless when hunting, dont hunt with them again.

Fully agree!

[54bore]

The T.C. Scout is every bit as safe as a traditional sidelock on half cock. It is lawyer speak pure and simple. Every gun you buy today says don't cap or load it until ready to fire. The hammer is held off the cap and can't go forward until you pull the trigger and even then it is doubtful you could hit it hard enough to make it go off unless you pull it to full cock first.

I agree, The Scout hammer does NOT sit against the cap, as you said the hammer is held off the cap. Something would have to smack the hammer in order to set it off. I will hunt with these Scout rifles capped without a worry.

[charlie b]

Yes, there are three people now who I refuse to hunt with anymore. I got ticked at a gun barrel swinging my way every step.

One actually was idiotic enough to tell me it was OK cause the safety was on. He didn't even know that the safety on his gun merely blocked the trigger, not the cocked firing pin. Another said it was ok cause he didn't have a round in the chamber, then was surprised when I took his rifle and ejected a live round (I watched him when he loaded it). And, yes, first one was in the Army and the second was a Marine (I was Army). The third was just lazy when walking and didn't pay attention. I also stopped fishing with him when he hooked my hat on a back cast for the second time.

Half cock with an exposed hammer....if something snags the hammer it can end up being released and firing. Nothing is really safe.

Be careful out there.

[johnson1942]

reminds me of the guy to my left when i qualified with the BAR. his got away from him and just as he was about to cut me in half, his clip ran out. the gunny kicked his *** over to the sidelines and he never had a gun in his hands again. sorry to get off track but what was posted above me reminded me of that moment i had with a nut and a BAR in his hands. guys were diving every where, how he missed them all i dont know. that gunny was one mad gunny, but he tackled him hard and could have been shot him self.

[35remington]

The Scout cannot fire If brush moves the hammer as the trigger has to be pulled at the same time. Extremely unlikely.

I have the Scout pistol. Works fine to hunt with it capped.

[Newtire]

Should never give an untrained guy a full auto or even a fully loaded semi-auto. Wasn't all the fault of the guy. Hope the gunny learned a lesson.