Python/Anaconda 2K

[hollywood63]

I think a buddy of mine lost his marbles sold a Python 357 and Anaconda 44 mag for 1 k each could of choked him for not saying anything[smilie=b:[smilie=b:

[Love Life]

Dang. Ignorance can hurt sometimes!!

[dragon813gt]

Meh, whoever got them got a deal. But I wouldn't pay $1k for either one of them.

[str8wal]

Meh, whoever got them got a deal. But I wouldn't pay $1k for either one of them.


Agreed

[FergusonTO35]

Me either. The Anaconda price might be within reason as the last one I saw around here sold for $850.00.

It cracks me up how Colt makes products that people will pay absolutely stupid prices for and still manages to go bankrupt. More than once in fact!

[Love Life]

The thing to keep in mind about buying a Colt is that Colt hates you.

They have guns people are BEGGING to buy, but don't make them in good enough quantity to satisfy demand. So everybody else who makes a reasonable fake gets Colt's piece of the pie.

I love Colt, and prefer them over everybody else for AR's, 1911's, and SAA's; but dang! They really need to pull their head out of their butts!!! Hopefully with the restructuring they will get the Custom shop sorted out so the leade time on tactical packages and SAA isn't 1-2 years.

[FergusonTO35]

Don't think I have ever seen a company that went to such lengths to rescue failure from the jaws of success as Colt has!

[dragon813gt]

Don't think I have ever seen a company that went to such lengths to rescue failure from the jaws of success as Colt has!

That's putting it lightly. I have no idea why people continue to support them. They decided a long time ago to only care about military contracts. They don't want the common citizen's money. When companies do this I make sure to not give them a dime. About the only gun they make that I have a slight interest in is the SAA.

[Love Life]

Honestly, after years of supporting Colt, I am ready to throw in the towel and look elsewhere for my firearm needs.

[FergusonTO35]

The only thing from Colt I have any interest in is the new Cobra, and that is only because Ruger and S&W refuse to make a six shot .38 snub. The SAA is an overpriced, overrated replica of an antique. Ruger is, in my eyes, the foremost maker of single action revolvers today. They have actually advanced the design in terms of safety and strength while Colt continues to sit on their rear, content to rely on their historical legacy rather than innovation. A lot of people agree. It's actually funny how there are Ruger Old Model/no transfer bar snobs just like there are SAA snobs.

[Soundguy]

I dunno, some of the best triggers I've felt have been pythons.

I sure wish when i bought my anaconda new 30 ys ago, I wish id bought a palate of them. 400$ each and you can get tripple that easy. Up to 8x, when there blood in the water.

[kingstrider]

Meh, whoever got them got a deal. But I wouldn't pay $1k for either one of them.

Lol I bought a minty 4" Python a few years ago for $1k and doubled my money a few days later.

[Love Life]

The only thing from Colt I have any interest in is the new Cobra, and that is only because Ruger and S&W refuse to make a six shot .38 snub. The SAA is an overpriced, overrated replica of an antique. Ruger is, in my eyes, the foremost maker of single action revolvers today. They have actually advanced the design in terms of safety and strength while Colt continues to sit on their rear, content to rely on their historical legacy rather than innovation. A lot of people agree. It's actually funny how there are Ruger Old Model/no transfer bar snobs just like there are SAA snobs.

Colt doesn't make a replica. They make the genuine article.

Ruger doesn't make SAA fakes. Ruger makes solid, strong, and reliable DIY SA revolver kits, lol. Ok, that was a below the belt hit towards Ruger. I have never looked at Ruger as SAA clones. Rugers have always been in a class of their own.

[dragon813gt]

Ruger doesn't make SAA fakes. Ruger makes solid, strong, and reliable DIY SA revolver kits, lol. Ok, that was a below the belt hit towards Ruger. I have never looked at Ruger as SAA clones. Rugers have always been in a class of their own.
LOL, I've had to send to many of my new Rugers back to the factory to be finished. Their lack of QC sucks at the moment. They seem more concerned about production numbers than building a quality product every time.

[Love Life]

I would love to have one of the Ruger 454 Casull kits, but I'm not a fan of the Bisley grip.

[54bore]

LOL, I've had to send to many of my new Rugers back to the factory to be finished. Their lack of QC sucks at the moment. They seem more concerned about production numbers than building a quality product every time.

Couldn't agree more!!

[Paul D. Heppner]

Friend of mine just sold an Anaconda at a show for $2200 to a dealer who immediately put it on his table at $2900. He also had a 4" Diamondback .22 for $3200. They were still on his table at another show a month later.

[dragon813gt]

There is a definitely market for the snake guns. But w/ their prices it's limited the players. Prices typically don't go down so it will be interesting to see what happens. I think someone should buy as many as they can now. Then start destroying a few at a time. Eventually the price of the remaining ones will sky rocket. Have to find that tipping point :laugh:

[Larry Gibson]

I have had my 4" Anaconda for about 20+ years. I use it as that's what I bought it for. I have smaller hands and S&W N frames just plain do not fit, especially for a double action trigger pull (yes I have tried a litany of different grips but the trigger pull is just too long). The Anaconda fits my hand perfectly. I was astounded some time back when a fellow at the range saw me shooting it and about had a bit H right there. He said it was way too valuable now to shoot, especially the 4" model as collectors would pay a premium for it. So, I'm not in the gun selling for profit business so I really don't care.......

BTW; out of the box it had the smoothest DA pull to rival the best tricked out N Frame and the SA pull is crisp.....well.....perfect! The cylinder throats are .429 (pin gauged) and the barrel is also .429. It is the most accurate large bore revolver I have ever had.

Larry Gibson

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And with these.....what's not to love........

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[rintinglen]

Oh, Larry, You rascal you. I wanted to get one of those so bad, but Colt stopped making them right about the time I got enough money saved up to order one. A friend of mine had one in 45 colt which was everything you say and far and away the most accurate 45 colt DA revolver I ever saw.

[GOPHER SLAYER]

I only have one of the snakes but it is a nice one. I bought this Diamondback many years ago in a gun shop for around $400 as I recall. It was not a steal at the time but it was a good price. The Detective SPL, while not a snake it is built on the same frame so I thought I would show it anyway, hey we all like to look at pictures of nice pistols. I think I paid about the same price for it as the Diamond. The thing I hate about owning pistols like this is the fact that they are worth too much to shoot. I was working in a telephone office back in the mid 1970s and a friend came to me wanting to sell me a Colt Python and Diamond back that were new in the box, $500 for both. I didn't have the scratch so I called my brother and he bought them and he still has them NIB.

[charlie b]

I do understand why they sell for so much. They are pretty. Probably the nicest looking revolver ever mass produced.

But...from the beginning they were made as a premium gun, in limited quantities at higher prices. So, like a Rolls Royce, some people pay more just because of the name, whether it is really a better product or not. The good part, at least in the old days, is you got a pistol with a really good hand fitted action, tested for accuracy, and a bluing job that was without equal.

I love my Python...but, I didn't have to buy it. Handed down from father-in-law. Pistol was made in the 60's and was one of the hand fitted ones. And, yes, it takes some 'tune up' every now and then to keep it in good shooting condition.

Yes, many other pistols can be made just as good with some simple work to them. These days many production guns can equal them out of the box. But....many of the mfgs (Colt included) also seem to be on cost cutting measures that make getting a good product kind of a **** shoot. Even in the old days you could end up with a Colt Trooper that was just as accurate and smooth as a Python for so much less money. But, the next gun off the line might not be so good.

Would I pay full price for one these days? Only if I wanted it for the looks. For function and accuracy I'd get something else and make sure I have enough money for a gunsmith to make it perfect for me.

PS Too valuable to shoot? Never. I shoot mine all the time, probably 1000rds a year. But, I also shoot an 1897 Mauser C96 that is worth even more. Not quite as many rounds, but, several hundred per year. If I don't shoot a gun I sell it or trade it for something else.

[GOPHER SLAYER]

I have many handguns to shoot so why not let these two lay in the safe? I could have sold these two Colts and doubled my money some years ago but I didn't, now they are worth a lot more. Do stocks you buy increase in value like these pistols have? A few months ago I looked at a Luger in 30 caliber that was made in 1920. It was in a local gun shop and priced at $1800. The pistol looked as though someone bought it new, put it in a drawer and never picked it up again. It was beautiful but I hesitated because it was 30 caliber, thinking only about shooting it. I came home and started to do a little research. Never mind the caliber, collectors don't shoot them anyway. That pistol would have sold for 4, maybe 5 grand and many would have been thrilled to buy it. Had it been shot a great deal, not so much. I did learn in my research that if you break one little part, no matter how small, it cuts the value in half. When I got back to the gun shop the luger was long gone.

[dragon813gt]

There is no doubt that some guns turn into investments. Old Winchesters fit that bill. The snake guns are some of the newest ones to fall into that category. More will continue to do so as time goes on. I have to many investments in my safes already. But I can't sell them due to fear they may increase in value even more. Such a terrible position to be in :laugh:

[charlie b]

Sorry, I don't care if they will double in price. I don't 'collect' guns, I shoot them. Someday, my kids, nieces, nephews, grands, may sell them, but, I won't.

[maxreloader]

If you cant shoot them, then why bother? Profits are nice but enjoying the experience is worth a lot more to me.

[GOPHER SLAYER]

I have followed your way of thinking in the past and when I remember some of those sales I almost cry. Here are a few guns I sold. A Sharps Borchardt made for the South Carolina National Guard. It was in 45-70 in excellent condition with a mint bore. A fast $100 on that one. Today it would bring in the thousands in S.C. How about another Colt 32-20 in excellent condition. A big profit on that one, paid $95 and sold for $140, whoopee. A Luger made by Simson & Co. Traded that one for a cheap 22 revolver. A Colt commercial model 1911 made in the 1960s. Paid $75, sold it and a S&W model 39 for $275. I could go on but I feel the tears welling up. You must remember all these deals were made in the 1960s. As hard as it is for younger people to understand, there just weren't that many people collecting guns at that time. Most of the guys I knew wouldn't cough up $37.50 for a Ruger 22 auto pistol much less give one or two hundred for a center fire pistol when ammo for it was 15 cents a round. I know I will have to sell all my guns at some point and I feel that point is getting closer and coming faster but for now I do enjoy looking at them even if I don't shoot them. You who don't agree with what I have just written can shoot or sell or you could hammer them into plowshares. I really don't care.

[Area Man]

My first gun was a King Cobra. I've come close to putting it up for sale many times when things were lean (like now, for example). I'm glad I haven't. It's a pleasure to shoot.

[warboar_21]

I had an opportunity back in the early 90's to buy an 6" Anaconda for super cheap. Guy was hard up for cash and priced it to move quick. I foolishly passed up on it because I am not a fan of 44Mag. I never knew they made them in 45 Colt until I saw one at a gun several years back with a price tag that I figured no one would touch. Went back by the booth the following day and it was gone.

[Leadmelter]

I read that they may be on heir last breath. Lay-offs and bleeding cash.
Leadmelter
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[FergusonTO35]

I read that they may be on heir last breath. Lay-offs and bleeding cash.
Leadmelter
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Glad to hear things are back to normal at Colt.[smilie=s:

[Mytmousemalibu]

Some coverage from this year's shot show at the Colt booth they introduced their new production repro of the SP-1 AR15 and a new production Pocket Hammerless, both are guns that would sell in droves if reasonably priced especially the AR. But in Colt stupidity & tradition, they decided to make them a very small limited run and cost quite a bit more than existing originals or clones by other companies. And the rep at the booth essentially flung poo in the face of everyone with an ounce of intelligence by claiming the absurd price of the new SP-1 was to cover "retooling". Yet a smaller company like Troy Industries that makes a bunch of different vintage AR Replicas, all with different receivers, all taking different tooling, yet they are reasonably priced?

Honesty Colt has made good business of digging themselves a grave and turning around and peeing on the general publics leg. They need a good shove into that hole they dug...

[Duckiller]

Several years ago I bought a 6" Python for around $1200. if I am remembering right. Basicly new, unfired condition made around 1990. Got box and everything. took it to the range a few times then I realized just what they were going for today. #2 son and I decided it belonged in the safe to be taken out by a grand child or great grand child. It is one of two guns that I do not shoot. Other gun is a Browning Model 12 ,20 ga. that is engraved that daughter and I won at a DU dinner. At that dinner daughter also won an H & R 20 ga. She has never shot it . She has shot several of my guns. I am a shooter not a collector but every now and then you get lucky and get a gun that should be collected not shot.

[charlie b]

Reminds me of a guy who decided that some of his guns were collectible. He put them in the safe. 20 yrs later he got them out and found out they had all gone way up in price. Also found out he would have made about double that if he'd just sold them and put the money in a conservative mutual fund.

My Python was worth a bit less than $1000 in the 80's. Now it's worth around $2000. Not keeping up with inflation.

[FergusonTO35]

If Colt had two brain cells to rub together they would do whatever it takes to get the SAA into actual production. The current custom shop only model isn't working for anybody and it's sure not turning a profit. Start rolling out mass produced variants with a real world price of under a grand to put into the shaky hands of people dying to part with their money for a "real" cowboy gun. There are years of profits from long pent up demand here that can be used to rehab the rest of the company. If they can do it with 1911's there is absolutely no reason they can't do it with SAA's.

[Larry Gibson]

The major problem at Colt is they can't roll back the union wages and benefits. Regardless of any new machinery or production methods those union contracts makes just about everything Colt does there in Hartford non-competitive on the market. They need to move to N.C. or Arizona as have other firearm manufacturers, then they could become competitive. They also need to be more realistic, as do most other firearm manufacturers, about the demographics of the real gun buying public. Not doing so is what killed Winchester and U.S. Repeating Arms..........

Larry Gibson

[dragon813gt]

They also need to be more realistic, as do most other firearm manufacturers, about the demographics of the real gun buying public. Not doing so is what killed Winchester and U.S. Repeating Arms..........

Larry Gibson

This means they would need to price their products under $500. The majority wants cheap, not high quality. This has never been more apparent then w/ the current crop of budget bolt action rifles. There is an ever decreasing market for ones priced above say $900.

[DerekP Houston]

Sorry, I don't care if they will double in price. I don't 'collect' guns, I shoot them. Someday, my kids, nieces, nephews, grands, may sell them, but, I won't.

Yep I like to use my toys. Selling them will be my heirs problem.

[FergusonTO35]

I don't think high cost and high prices are the problem for Colt so much as broken promises, jumping in bed with DOD while ignoring the shooting public, and simply not having guns available that people want. Kimber is doing quite well for itself in spite of being located next door to NYC. The difference is, Kimber is actually making and selling guns whereas Colt hasn't been for the longest time. In spite of the high price tag and all the whining about "MIMber" they still sell like mad. To their credit, Colt 1911's and .380's are becoming quite popular and available around here so maybe they are doing something right.

[Love Life]

Colt is being pumped dry by it's ownership. The name will never go away. If Colt super 4 realz goes belly up this time, the name will be bought...probably by USFA who will use Colt's manufacturing equipment to quadruple production of the Zip gun.

[FergusonTO35]

Colt is pretty much just a name and product line owned by somebody else like Marlin and Winchester, the only real difference is they are still in their own factory. Eventually they will fall into the hands of somebody like Cerberus and that will fall by the wayside also. Heck, Cerberus might just be licking their lips thinking about stamping ponies on Huntsville made 1911's.

[reddog81]

Damn. Give your friend my number...

[CLAYPOOL]

I bought a Brand new broken Anaconda when Bill Clinton was coming in. Been fired 4 times and was broke inside. Sent back in. Nice lady told me they could send it over to Mag - N - Port for a factory port job. $ 75.00 Sent her a money order. Shot it maybe 100 times. Doubt it. Carried it a few times here and there. Put it in a bank lock box last year for the "NEW SMALL PERSON" at my daughters house. Miss JAEL TRINTY'S grand paw lives long enough we will shot it in about 15 years. If you get to my range in Southern Illinois stop by. We are still having Concealed Carry Classes. Helping to have a WELL armed Southern Illinois...

[Silver Jack Hammer]

Don't think I have ever seen a company that went to such lengths to rescue failure from the jaws of success as Colt has!
Great line! I love it, might have to steal it from you FergunsonTO35.
Personally I favor the idea of a guy getting the handgun he wants regardless of price. Glad the Snake guns never caught my eyes.

[44man]

Colts have always been over priced. The Python was one of the best but the Anaconda fell short. Yet Sam got the SA right and Ruger made it better, safer, stronger and more accurate. Colt stayed behind to lose sales, depending on the Gov't. They refused to make what shooters wanted. The SA still must use BP pressure loads. So do clones. Parts break. Can't get a good trigger.
Colt has always shot themselves in the foot. They used lawyers to prevent better guns from being made long ago with a monopoly of patents.
Today you pay for the name.

[FergusonTO35]

Great line! I love it, might have to steal it from you FergunsonTO35.
Personally I favor the idea of a guy getting the handgun he wants regardless of price. Glad the Snake guns never caught my eyes.

Use it all you like. Yes, I'm about to drop over 1k on a Browning Hi-Power NIB just 'cause I have always wanted one.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

I was at a Gunshow today in Wells, MN.
There was a blued Python, scratched wood grips, no box, 6" barrel and a tag that said 3750,
I told the guy behind the table, I would have bought the Colt, but I forgot my mortgage papers...the fella next to me laughed, and I laughed...but the guy behind that table didn't.

[44man]

Just read that Colt is laying off custom shop workers. I love the old SSA Army but it has not changed since Sam designed it. Still flat springs and a 5 shot with parts that break. Ruger set them into the stone age. The Colt is still a BP load gun. Colt could not make a .44 mag until the Anaconda and it was a sad shooter from all reports. The problem is staying with old stuff. I don't blame workers, just management.

[Silver Jack Hammer]

Colt's could have made a .44 mag on their New Service frame but the machinery was not kept in a functioning condition after WW 2 so they lost that market opportunity.

[dubber123]

I think their best bet may be to down size, and concentrate on making a quality product in smaller numbers. Colt people are willing to pay a bit more, and that might keep the company alive. The AR market and 1911 market are flooded with competitors, some making great products for a good price. Colt resurrecting an old 6 shot snub 38 thats not cheap isn't going to do it. They need to do something, and do it quick if they are going to survive.

[FergusonTO35]

I wouldn't call the Cobra a dud just yet. Wheelguns are quite chic nowadays, even though they cost more on average than bottom feeders. It's success will hinge entirely on whether it is a good gun or not and if Colt is willing to actually produce enough of them.

[dragon813gt]

and if Colt is willing to actually produce enough of them.

Vegas has the odds at 200 to 1. You a betting man? :laugh: