Noe 314299/314-202

[hpbear101]

I got my new NOE version of the 314299, it is the 4 cavity 2 GC and 2PB. This is my first NOE mold and I was very impressed. Once I got the hang of the correct temp and a rhythm going (first 4 cavity mold) I cast a pile of bullets. I have a lot of Lee, RCBS, an Lyman molds, I was very impressed with the NOE.

My .312 sizer die should arrive tomorrow. I shoot a lot of 30 cal gas checked bullets, was wondering if anybody had some "pet" loads they would share for the plain based bullets.

I plan on trying it in:

30-06 Springfield and Enfield
30-40 Krag
7.5X55 Swiss
7.62X54R

May even try them in my Savage 340 30-30.

I use mostly 2400 in my cast bullet loading. Also have Herco, Unique, Bullseye, 3031, Varget, 4198, 4227 and a few others.

Thanks

Tom

[Kegcaissy]

hi!

NOE 316299 sized at 0.314'' with+/- 24gr of IMR 4198 in 303 british is the solution for pure fun at 100m even more.

[Gewehr-Guy]

Hello hpbear101, I have been shooting some PB in a Krag lately , with good results, 100 yd groups about 3-4 ", usually 6-7rds within 2" and a few fliers. If I sorted my bullets better I could expect better results. I've only used fast powders so far like 8-9grs of 700x, 9-10 grs Unique, or 9-10 of Herco, with Ideal 311403 bullet lubed heavily with LLA. I just recovered some of these bullets from my bullet backstop {large snow pile} and saw slight gas cutting on base of bullet. I would post pictures but haven't learned how yet! I'd like to try some kind of thick wad behind bullet , but it would have to fit tightly in the neck. Next on my powder to try list are 2400 and RL7.

[hpbear101]

Thanks for the comments hope to get out in the next week or so and begin trying a few loads.

[JMax]

I load that bullet sized 311 in both my sporterized Krag and 03A1, the Krag has peep sights and a scope on the 03. I use 17 gr of 2400 in the 03 and 15.5 in the Krag. If I do my job 5 shot groups are less than 1" in the 03 and 3" in the Krag at 100 yards. Mild recoil and accurate make both perennial favorites at the range.

[CHeatermk3]

What size noses does your 314299 mold cast?

[Shooter6br]

My American Enfield 1917 with original barrel loves the Accurate 314299 clone. These barrels have 5 grove English rifling .310-311 . Bullets a @.314 work great.

[JMax]

There is a drawing on the NOE web site that has the dimensions.

[hpbear101]

I have a pretty old micrometer, but it looks like they cast pretty darn close to the drawing. The nose is very close to .301, and bands are just over .314. The bad news is I got all my plain base sized and lubed, started on the gas check bullets and the pressure screw pulled out of the bottom of my 450 so hope to get that repaired and back up and running soon.

[hpbear101]

My Remington P17 should be happy :)

[Bad Ass Wallace]

I have tested 3031 in my scoped A304 Remington with the Lyman 311284GC sized to .311" and a load of 32gns. The barrel is a 4 groove '43!

I did a lot of shooting cast 18 months ago to arrive at not 1, but 2 x 10 shot sub MOA groups.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v152/BAWallace/3006moa2_zpseb7e0a10.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/BAWallace/media/3006moa2_zpseb7e0a10.jpg.html)

[Scharfschuetze]

I shoot a lot of 30 cal gas checked bullets, was wondering if anybody had some "pet" loads they would share for the plain based bullets.

In most of my 30 calibre rifles, plain base bullets shoot best when kept under 1,200 fps or so, no matter what the alloy or diameter. I've found Bullseye powder to be a good choice when operating at these lower velocities, but Unique or something similar should also work well, particularly with the fairly heavy 314299 (210 grains or so) sans gas check.

My moulds of this design are all gas checked and it is my absolute favorite for any military rifle in 30 calibre with the exception of the M1 Carbine and the 7.5 Swiss. I have the XXX299 design in Lyman 311" and 314" diameters and the NOE in .316" diameters.

I share your sentiments on NOE. They make a great product.

[Kegcaissy]

In most of my 30 calibre rifles, plain base bullets shoot best when kept under 1,200 fps or so, no matter what the alloy or diameter. I've found Bullseye powder to be a good choice when operating at these lower velocities, but Unique or something similar should also work well, particularly with the fairly heavy 314299 (210 grains or so) sans gas check.

My moulds of this design are all gas checked and it is my absolute favorite for any military rifle in 30 calibre with the exception of the M1 Carbine and the 7.5 Swiss. I have the XXX299 design in Lyman 311" and 314" diameters and the NOE in .316" diameters.

I share your sentiments on NOE. They make a great product.


Do you have some starting loads to share with both powders? I'm looking to do something with 316299 and a stubborn PU sniper repro who don't want to be accurate...

[CHeatermk3]

I don't think a 301 nose will chamber in my M1917...NOE drawing of the 314299 is not legible on my computer; just gets fuzzier when enlarged--thanks for the reply hp!

[hpbear101]

I loaded some of the plain base bullets while I am waiting on a part to get my lubrisizer back up and running. I used the same powder charge in all calibers as a starting point- 8 grains of Bullseye, and 9 grains of Herco.
The good news is with them sized .312 they chamber well in my 30-40 Krag, the nose just barely touches the lands, they also chamber well in my M44 7.62X54R. They will not chamber in a 03A1, 1917, or 1911 Swiss as the nose is to large. So I will see how they do in the Krags and Russian, if they shoot as good as I think they will I will buy the .312 version of the mold when he gets some in stock, the nose on those are .300 which should work well in the 30-06, it may still be too large for the 1911 I need to slug that bore.

When I get my gas checked bullets sized up and checked I will probably try 2400 for starters. It seems to work extremely well in my 1911 with Lasercast 170 gn .310 FNGC 30-30 bullets, and wide variety of *mm calibers as well.

Thanks for all the input so far!
Tom

[Scharfschuetze]

Do you have some starting loads to share with both powders? I'm looking to do something with 316299 and a stubborn PU sniper repro who don't want to be accurate...

Start with 6 or so grains of Bullseye or 9 to 10 grains of Unique. Both should put you close to where you want to be with plain base bullets. No need for a filler, but watch your cases' overall length from the base to the shoulder. At these low operating pressures your cases may shrink a bit as the pressure in the primer pocket may exceed the pressure in the case/chamber and thus drive the case forward in chamber.

When developing your "squib or cat sneeze" loads, be careful to observe each bullet's impact on target. It is possible to stick a bullet in the bore if you go too low with your powder charge. Normally though, at 1,000 fps or higher you won't have an issue. Still... A word to the wise.

[hpbear101]

Got the lubrisizer back up and running. I checked and sized some bullets and the first bullet is checked I observed I was putting enough pressure to deform the nose. So I loaded a couple rounds to try in the 1911 and 1917 and sure enough they chamber fine with just a slight contact with the lands on the nose. So back to I hope to get some more loaded up this week and maybe get to the range to test them on Thursday or Sunday.

Scharfschuetze-thanks for the heads up on the cases this is the first time I have tried light loads in a rifle. If my loads are light and it drives the case forward should I see primer protrusion like I have seen in wax bullet pistol loads? I am presuming this is why I have read where some loaders will drill out primer pockets on their brass used for shooting lighter loads?

Thanks

Tom

[Scharfschuetze]

Scharfschuetze-thanks for the heads up on the cases this is the first time I have tried light loads in a rifle. If my loads are light and it drives the case forward should I see primer protrusion like I have seen in wax bullet pistol loads? I am presuming this is why I have read where some loaders will drill out primer pockets on their brass used for shooting lighter loads?

Yes, you will see that after a few loads in each case. Eventually, the case will shrink to the point where the extractor is holding the case against the bolt face. With these low powered loads, that's not a safety issue, but you may start getting some inconsistent velocities or higher standard deviations than you want. At closer ranges, that's probably not an issue either, but at 200 yards or so, you start to see some vertical stringing.

Drilling out the flash holes of your rimless "squib only" cases will help to equalize pressures between the primer pocket and the powder chamber of the case and thus inhibit any shrinking. The other option of course is to up the load, but of then you'll start running into leading starting at the throat with the plain base bullets as you build up to higher pressures.

When I made wax bullet load for the kids to shoot years ago, I drilled out the flash holes and that stopped the shrinkage and the primers backing out. Those cases then were used for light loads like you are experimenting with.

Good luck with your new loads. We look forward to the results.

[fatelvis]

Just to clarify the targeted nose sizes for the 299 series moulds:
the 311299 has a .300" nose, the 312299 has a .301" nose, and the 314299 has a .303", and the 316299 has a .305" nose. It is by far my favorite boolit for 30 and 303 cal military rifles.

[coalgeo]

I have tested 3031 in my scoped A304 Remington with the Lyman 311284GC sized to .311" and a load of 32gns. The barrel is a 4 groove '43!

I did a lot of shooting cast 18 months ago to arrive at not 1, but 2 x 10 shot sub MOA groups.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v152/BAWallace/3006moa2_zpseb7e0a10.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/BAWallace/media/3006moa2_zpseb7e0a10.jpg.html)

Just curious -any idea on muzzle velocity with this load?
Greg

[hpbear101]

Thanks for the input so far. I am in the process of selling my house and buying another so it is a little chaotic right now. I haven't had a chance to get to the range yet to test the new bullets out. My brother and I did sneak out with a couple 30-40's for some white rock shooting. No leading with the B/E, Herco, or 2400 loads, and they all seemed to hold minute-of-rock accuracy well. I hope to get to the range this week but will depend on banks and realtors.
191105 191106
My brothers 1895 Take Down with 1.5X scope, and my 1898 Krag (modified with grafted comb and pistol grip, Pacific sights and over-travel on trigger).

Tom

[toolness1]

I also got this as my first "nice" mold. Very nice quality. I've been using nothing but Lee, but sick of their quality issues and having to drill and tap each one just to hold the sprue plate screw in place.

So far I've only tested it in 7.65 Argentine, and it's done really well. I use 25gr Reloader 7 with them powder coated (ford light blue from Eastwood) and sized .312 after coating.

I have some loaded up for the Arisaka but haven't tried them yet. I will also be using it in 54R and might try it in the 1889 Swiss, although I already have had great results with the Lee 185gr coated and sized .309 in that rifle.