250 Savage dies ????

[xr650]

I have two dies that I amuse are case forming dies.
I have searched for an answer with no luck. So I am axing the experts.

RCBS 250 SAV #1 FXT J
RCBS 250 SAV F&T #2 I

Could you tell me what these are?

Thanks

[trooperdan]

Yup, sounds like a case forming set... not sure what the donor case would be though. #1 is the first form and #2 is the file & trim, final form die.

[xr650]

Thanks Dan
The FXT - F&T has me confused also.

[ronniet]

its File and trim die.
What do you want for them?
Ron

[Mk42gunner]

In the post WWII era most rimless cases used the .30-06 as the parent case. Readily available, cheap, etc.

Now there are a lot more choices, .243 or .308 Win are certainly shorter, but they do have a skosh bigger shoulder diameter. The 6mm and 6.5mm Creedmore may be even closer, not to mention just neck expanding the .22-250.

Robert

[Pavogrande]

Mk42 is correct -
you have an older rcbs case forming set - 06 to 250 -
use #1 then #2 then final in a 250 FL sizer -
the set often includes a neck reamer as the neck thicken when sized down -- some folk use an outside neck turner in a case trimmer --
there is possibly a 2 digit date on top of die --
very good dies --

[EDG]

A full set of .250 Savage case forming dies has 4 dies and a reamer.
1. #1 form die
2. #2 form die
3. .250 Savage trim die
4. .250 Savage reamer die
5. A .250 Savage reamer

These dies are short enough and large enough for almost all .30-06 based case making.
If you don't have the reamer and reamer die it is no big deal. Just use a neck turning tool after FL sizing.

[Lloyd Smale]

don't really understand the need for 250 case forming dies. 22250 brass is relatively easy to find and easy to neck up.

[Mk42gunner]

Lloyd, that is true today. But until Remington legitimized the .22-250 in the mid sixties, you either bought factory .250-3000 brass or made it from .30-06.

Robert

[Pavogrande]

if i recall correctly my 22 250 dies from about 1955 are marked 22 varmiter

[9.3X62AL]

if i recall correctly my 22 250 dies from about 1955 are marked 22 varmiter

I believe so, and I think P.O. Ackley coined that name for it. After Big Green "legitimized" the necked-down 250 Savage as the "22-250 (Remington)", the 22-250 appellation kinda became "standard". I suspect the 22-250 was birthed among wildcatters about 30 minutes after the 250 Savage was introduced to the world.

For several years, I had both 22-250 and 250 Savage rifles on hand here. I advise to run all reformed cases for both calibers through their proper respective F/L sizing dies to avoid chambering disappointments. And unless your 22-250 chamber neck is generous, I recommend reaming or turning case necks after reduction from 25 to 22 caliber. The shoulders differ slightly in angle and placement, so F/L size them and do what suits you after initial fire-forming.