What mould for .32acp?

[Texas by God]

I was disappointed to discover that Lee doesn't make a 70 gr mould.
What are my options for this weight? I want my Walther to print poa like it does with 71gr factory fmj?

[Outpost75]

This is the one you want: http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=31-077B-D.png

Load data: Starline cases, CCI 500, OAL 0.945"

Ammunition ____________Beretta Tomcat 2.4”____Beretta M1935 3.4”
Acc. 31-077B LD#00 2.0 TiteGroup__790, 12 Sd_____________893, 19 Sd
Acc. 31-077B LD#0 2.2 Bullseye____757, 16 Sd_____________932, 24 Sd
Acc. 31-077B LD#1 2.5 Bullseye____835, 16 Sd_____________956, 18 Sd
Acc. 31-077B LD#0 3.0 AutoComp__837, 10 Sd_____________957, 16 Sd
Acc.31-077B LD#7 5.6 #2400______892, 26 Sd___________998, 22 Sd
Acc. 31-077B LD#4 3.0 Unique_____965, 26 Sd___________1067 fps, 19 Sd

These feed reliably in my Berettas, Colts, Walthers, more accurate than FMJ ammo
3 grains of Unique approximates the Buffalo Bore +P

[Texas by God]

Thanks Outpost. Looks like the one. Best, Thomas.

[Outpost75]

Tom at Accurate also worked with me to produce 31-090B, same shape with bevel base added and crimp groove. Use 3 grains of AutoComp, or 5.5 grs. of #2400 for 900 fps in Walther PPk.

Also good is 2.0 grains of TiteGroup, for 880 fps.

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[RogerDat]

NOE has a .32 acp mold at 75 grains in a RF nose tumble lube design http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/index.php?cPath=31_383
Prices between $79 - $133 depending on cavities or hollow point mold. Those RG mold hollow point bullets would be less weight than the stock 75.

Nice little bullet and man it pours from my 4 cavity like water, does take a lot of the little guys to make a big pile however.

[Drew P]

I've been looking for loads to try with my lee 100gr 32/20 mold for 32acp. Anyone try this bullet?

[beemer]

Drew
I can't help with a mould , but I have tried the Lee 100 gr. RN in my CZ-50. It is in my opinion to heavy for the 32 acp, it takes up to much powder space and bulges the case because of deep seating. I tried 1 gr. of Bullseye and it would operate the pistol but any increase would raise pressure fast.

Dave

[Outpost75]

I've been looking for loads to try with my lee 100gr 32/20 mold for 32acp. Anyone try this bullet?

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These bullets are better designs for the .32 ACP which do not intrude deeply into the powder space. The 31-087T is the most reliable feeder in guns which are picky about flat-nosed bullets and which don't seem to like anything but hardball. The 31-090V is an ogival wadcutter which feeds reliably in the Colt M1903 Pocket Hammerless and is a stellar small game bullet. The 31-909B is a close match to the Buffalo Bore profile, in a heavier bullet which approaches .380 hardball energy.

Load data: Starline cases, CCI 500 primers, OAL 0.945" throughout

Ammunition ________________Beretta Tomcat 2.4”____Beretta M1935 3.4”
Acc. 31-087T LD#0 3.0 AutoComp+P_843, 18 Sd___________962, 19 Sd
Acc. 31-087T LD#7, 5.6 #2400______825,15 Sd____________926, 14 Sd
Acc. 31-090B LD#0, 2.2 Bullseye____800 fps, 8 Sd_________851, 14 Sd*
Acc. 31-090B 2.3 grains HP38______824 fps, 5 Sd_________839, 16 Sd*
Acc. 31-090B 2.5 grain Unique_____ 815 fps, 23 Sd________901, 33 Sd
Acc. 31-090B LD#00 2.0 Titegroup__818, 12 Sd____________902, 16 Sd
Acc. 31-090B LD#0, 3.0 AutoComp+P_915 fps, 16 Sd________999, 14 Sd
Acc. 31-090B LD#6, 5.2 #2400______821 fps, 23 Sd________878, 20 Sd


Hdy 85XTP.312” LD#0 3.0 AutoComp+P__853, 23 Sd_________976, 8 Sd
Hdy 90XTP.309” LD#0 3.0 AutoComp+P__868, 12 Sd_________968, 17 Sd
Nor 93FMJ .307” LD#0 3.0 AutoComp+P__856, 6 Sd_________933, 11 Sd

[RogerDat]

Avoiding case intrusion was the motivation for the NOE group buy. Shorter than the Lee so same COAL has leaves more space in the case.

[Outpost75]

Avoiding case intrusion was the motivation for the NOE group buy. Shorter than the Lee so same COAL has leaves more space in the case.


The Accurate designs are in the online catalog, can be ordered now, immediately, for delivery within 3 weeks, and you can customise diameters to suit your alloy and chamber dimensions.

With a "group buy" mold, you never quite know what size it will really drop in YOUR alloy and how it will fit in YOUR pistol.

[RogerDat]

The Accurate designs are in the online catalog, can be ordered now, immediately, for delivery within 3 weeks, and you can customise diameters to suit your alloy and chamber dimensions.

With a "group buy" mold, you never quite know what size it will really drop in YOUR alloy and how it will fit in YOUR pistol.

I would say NOE does a pretty fair job of making an accurate mold to high standards. The ones they now have in stock as extra from the group buy can be at your house as fast as postal will deliver.

I know that you are able to specify your alloy with Accurate and have the mold made to that alloy however that presumes you have advance knowledge of what alloy you need for a given mold design in a given firearm. Many won't and will end up tweaking the alloy a bit to improve performance. Oh heck a lot of us are using what amounts to scrap lead and scrap alloys. Wheel weights and a bit of pewter from the thrift market is hardly making heart medicine consistent.

I can see a point from time to time for a "custom" mold and Accurate is first rate place to purchase them. I just don't see an advantage in spending more than I have to without a clear cut problem or issue the extra money will resolve. Wife's 38 snubbie is getting Lee mold bullets because at 7 - 10 yards not a whole lot of difference to be gained with a high end mold. I'll spend that money on more primers :-)

The NOE looks a lot like the S367 mold http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/images/N.O.E._Bullet_Moulds_TL314-75-RF__78_gr_Sketch.Jpg Except diameter is .314 I presume this allows for some sizing.

[jrmartin1964]

Lyman No.311252, 75 grains (No.2 Alloy). In the catalogs and manuals since 1904. Designed for the .32 A.C.P., to approximate the shape and weight of the factory FMJ.
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[jjamna]

I milled ( with grinder) off the top of a Lee mold to make a 2 groove mold a 1 groove. Shoots as good as I can out of the 32 ACP Derringer I shoot it in. These dropped at about 64 grains wheel weight alloy.

[Reverend Al]

Lyman No.311252, 75 grains (No.2 Alloy). In the catalogs and manuals since 1904. Designed for the .32 A.C.P., to approximate the shape and weight of the factory FMJ.
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RCBS has a mould in their line which is basically a clone of the Lyman shown above and I've had good success with it in several different .32 ACP pistols.

http://rcbs.com/Products/Bullet-Casting/Bullet-Moulds/Pistol/Bullet-Mould-32-77-RN-465.aspx

[rintinglen]

188725
The Ranch Dog 314-75 is great. I have not had much luck getting heavy for caliber boolits to hit near point of aim. I tried a 90 grain boolit in my Tomcat and it hit nearly a foot high.
NOE makes them now.
http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/images/N.O.E._Bullet_Moulds_TL314-75-RF__78_gr_Sketch.Jpg

Mine cast about 74 grains out of wheel weight, but mine are from an orginal Lee Custom Mold that Ranch Dog used to hawk.

[LIMPINGJ]

Outpost75 have you used that 31-90V in any pistols besides the Colt 1903? How did it feed? It looks like a great small game getter for my Beretta.

[Outpost75]

Outpost75 have you used that 31-90V in any pistols besides the Colt 1903? How did it feed? It looks like a great small game getter for my Beretta.

It feeds 100% in my 1963 DOM Walther PP former German Police turn-in and in my Beretta M1935.
Never tried it in the Beretta Tomcat because the frame on that pistol cracked before the mold arrived.

If you would like to try a few before ordering the mold, PM me with your postal mailing address.
I have none currently cast up, but it would be easy to drop a few and send to you. I would like to get more feedback for Tom at Accurate Molds as to which pistols it feeds in and appreciate the independent validation.

[Outpost75]

OK folks, here is the complete compilation of .32 ACP data:

Buffalo Bore’s 75-grain FN +P is claimed to be the most effective .32 ACP factory load. But, it costs over $1 a pop!

Over the last year, I successfully developed home-made equivalents, with a variety of bullets which all feed more reliably!

If you do not cast your own bullets, or need only a limited ammo supply for carry, data is provided for the Hornady XTP jacketed bullets which matches Buffalo Bore energy and provides reliable expansion when fired from barrel lengths of 3 inches or longer.

I started with two M1903 Colts in which I replaced the original recoil springs with replacements intended for the M1908 .380 ACP. The objective was to approach .380 ACP payload and velocity as closely as can be done safely in sturdy, steel-frame .32 ACPs. Loads which functioned well in the Colts also peformed well in the CZ27, Beretta 1935 and Walther PP. Alliant #2400 appeared in initial trials to be the most suitable powder for bullets over 80 grains, because you can't get enough into a .32 ACP case to get into trouble. As bullet weight and seating depth increase, available powder capacity is reduced, which is self-limiting.

Accurate 31-087T with 5.6 grains of #2400, metered from RCBS Little Dandy Measure Rotor #7 - is compressed, giving 900+ fps from a 3.4” barrel…

I worked with Tom Ellis of Accurate Molds to come up a heavier bullet of Buffalo Bore shape, with a longer, .26” nose to positively prevent rim lock. Using Alliant #2400, powder capacity is limited by seating depth. The 31-090B was the result. You can’t seat the 90-grain bullet deeply enough over 5.6 grains of #2400 to reach the crimp groove, due to powder compression. While I could have set a measure to determine exactly how much Alliant #2400 powder the case would hold, I wanted to use the Little Dandy rotors - to make it easier for others to duplicate my results.

The next smaller RCBS LD rotor #6 drops 5.2 grains, not quite enough to achieve powder compression, so unburned powder particles left in the chamber caused functioning problems in the short-barrelled “mouse guns.” A charge of 5.2 grains of #2400 runs fine with the still heavier 31-095T bullet, giving 750 fps from the 2.4” Beretta Tomcat and 870 fps from the 3.4” Beretta M1935, but I felt that for loading flexibility, being able to use nearly the full spectrum of standard bullet weights useable in the .32 ACP, from 71-95 grains, it was time to explore other powders.

Winchester Auto Comp replaced the discontinued Winchester Action Pistol and is 1.3 times as dense as Bullseye. It happens to work out that if your powder measure is already set to meter a proven safe, tested charge of Bullseye, you can dump the Bullseye out of the measure; refill it with Auto Comp and then happily proceed with safety!

The RCBS Little Dandy Rotor #0 drops 2.2 grains of Bullseye, a commonly recommended load in the .32 ACP with a 71-grain FMJ bullet. It also meters 3 grains of Auto Comp, recommended by Olin for 958 fps with a 71-grain FMJ bullet in .32 ACP from the SAAMI test barrel, at only 14,800 psi. The SAAMI Maximum Average Pressure for .32 ACP is 20,500 psi. The MAP is the sample average plus 3 standard deviations. The Euro-CIP Pmax for the 7.65 Browning is 1600 Bar (23,200 psi), the same as for the .45 ACP. I reasoned that if a load was VERY uniform, there was “wiggle room” for trying a heavier bullet with 3-grains of AutoComp, for use in sturdy, steel-framed pistols. I cautiously loaded samples of the 31-087T and 31-090B bullets with 3 grains of Auto Comp to check velocity, inspect ejected cases, compare combustion and ballistic uniformity to my well-established Bullseye and #2400 loads. Ejected cases appeared normal. I loaded several hundred rounds with 3 grains AutoComp and various bullets for additional function testing.

My buddy Steve in Texas reported using 5.9 grains of #2400, with Accurate 31-077B, sized .311" at 0.945” OAL, achieving slight compression, adequate to get 900 fps from his 2.4” Beretta Tomcat and over 1000 fps from his 1920 Colt Type III Pocket Hammerless. This suggested load provides a “clean burn,” being proven safe, accurate, reliable, and effective. It exactly mirrors the velocities we recorded in firing the Buffalo Bore load, but at the longer OAL (.945" vs. .915 for the Buffalo Bore) feeds better. Penetration in slaughtering sheep, pigs and cattle is impressive!

Buffalo Bore equivalent .32 ACP hand loads can also be assembled with Accurate 31-077B or the similar 78-grain NOE Ranch Dog profile bullet using RCBS LD Rotor #0 for 3.0 grains of Auto Comp, or the #4 rotor for 3 grains of Unique.

Suitable, sturdy .32 ACP pistols able to safely handle a steady diet of these heavy-bullet loads are the Beretta M81, M70, M1935, Colt M1903, Walther PP, Mauser HSc, CZ27, and CZ50. My advice is to severely limit loads producing over 130 ft.-lbs. to only occasional/emergency use in micro pistols like the Beretta Tomcat or Keltec because after prolonged firing, [over 1000 rounds] they are “frame crackers.” My Beretta Model 3032 INOX Tomcat test platform, digested about 2000 rounds of CIP-Euro and heavy cast bullet hand loads before eventually failing and being sold off for parts.

Limit handloads in the Beretta Tomcat and Keltecs to the “Group 1” loads in the table.
If you choose to do try the “Group 2” loads, even in moderation, then you are on “your own nickel.”

Accurate 31-087T as hollow-pointed by Erik at http://www.hollowpointmold.com (http://www.hollowpointmold.com/) weighs 82-83 grains in 1:30 tin-lead. It exceeds 900 fps from my Colt’s 3-3/4” barrel with 5.6 grains of #2400 and attained similar velocity from the 2.4” Beretta Tomcat with 3 grains of Auto Comp. Three grains of Auto Comp closely approaches 1000 fps from my postwar 3.4” Beretta M1935. I use a 60-degree conical seating plug to prevent cavity collapse during seating and to slightly flare the cavity opening. In 1:30 alloy out of the Tomcat they expand reliably to .50 caliber and penetrate 24 inches of water jugs - much deeper than factory JHPs, if they are fragile enough to expand when fired from a barrel shorter than 3 inches.

Rim lock can happen in .32 ACP pistols if overall cartridge length is less than about 0.94". This is because shorter cartridges have room to move longitudinally from their “as-stacked” position in the magazine box under recoil. This causes the semi-rim of the cartridge on top to lodge behind that of the cartridge beneath it, so that the top cartridge cannot be stripped from the magazine during the feed cycle.

The 75-grain Buffalo Bore FN load is only 0.915” long. I call it the “Jam-o-matic” due to rim lock issues and consistent failures to feed in most WW2-era guns. In a typical failure-to-feed, the bullet meplat hangs up on the chamber entrance at 12:00. This happened frequently in my Colt M1903, and occasionally in my Walther PP, Beretta M1935, CZ27, and other WW2-era pistols designed for Euro hardball. Inspection of the chamber entrance and rim seat of my Beretta Tomcat and postwar Beretta M1935 revealed sharp edges in the 11:00 to 1:00 region. These were broken by hand using a ½” ball end chamfer cutter from Brownells, and mitigated any failures to feed with FN bullets, once proper overall cartridge length was established.

Rim lock is prevented by loading bullets of adequate nose length and profile to fit the magazine box, at 0.94” overall cartridge length or greater. This prevents rounds from “shuffling in the stack” during recoil, so that rim lock then cannot occur. The Accurate 31-077B, 31-087T, 31-090B, 31-090V and 31-095T all have proven reliable feeders at 0.945" minimum OAL.

In personal defense handguns of small caliber, generating less than 200 ft.-lbs. of kinetic energy, reliable function and adequate penetration, not less than 20” of water or 12” of gelatin, are more important than expansion, in my opinion. Experienced users of deep-concealment, hideaway guns agree, based on police and military experience dating all the way back to Fairbairn and Sykes experiences in China before WW2, and continuing through the Cold War era.

Accurate 31-090B met our objective of a heavier Buffalo Bore Style bullet of 0.26” nose length to ensure a minimum 0.94” overall cartridge length in .32 ACP with a meplat of 0.20” (0.64 of bullet diameter) and ogival profile which fits the magazine box interior profile closely to positively prevent any possibility of rim lock. The 31-095T has the same nose length with an absolutely huge (for the .32 ACP) .25” meplat (0.80 of bullet diameter), and having a short radius behind the flat to contact the feed ramp for reliable feeding. Its tapered nose fits the CIP throat. This is the heaviest, most blunt bullet possible to load in the .32 ACP and feed reliably in Colt and Beretta pistols. Velocity in .32 ACP with 5.2 grains of Alliant #2400 approximates the .32 S&W Long fired from a revolver of the same barrel length.

Alliant Green Dot is fluffier and slower burning than Bullseye. Charges should not be increased more than 10% over loads listed for Bullseye. A charge of 2.2 grains of Green Dot with the 78-grain Ranch Dog bullet gives 920 fps in the Colt M1903. A charge of 2.4 grains is the maximum, not to be exceeded, giving 1004 fps. from the 3-3/4” Colt barrel with 78-grain bullet, matching the Buffalo Bore.

The RCBS Little Dandy measure rotors and their suitability for metering small pistol charges:

Rotor #00 meters 1.7 grains of Bullseye. This provides a pleasant and reliable practice load in the .32 ACP with 87 through 95-grain cast bullets, approximating .32 S&W Long ballistics from a 4" revolver of the same barrel length. This Group 1 load can be used continuously and without worry in your Keltec or Beretta Tomcat. The #00 rotor also meters 2 grains of TiteGroup, a full-charge “Group 1” load with 77 or 78 grain bullets for safe use in the tiny guns. The #00 rotor also meters 2.5 grains of AutoComp, a “Group 1,” standard-pressure load with 87 to 95-grain bullets giving about 850 fps from a 3.4” pocket pistol.

Rotor #0 meters 2.2 grains of Bullseye, according to the RCBS Little Dandy Charge Table, a widely published load in .32 ACP with standard weight 71-77 grain bullets. Mine averages 2.05 of current Alliant product and 2.1 of older Hercules from the 1970s. Bullseye, like TiteGroup, peaks quickly with small increases in charge weight, so you must be cautious. Using RCBS Rotor #0 with current Alliant Bullseye, the Accurate 31-090B bullet gets 850 fps from my M1903 Colt with 3-3/4” barrel and 800 fps from the 2.4" Tomcat - a “Group 2” load which should not be exceeded.

Rotor #1, according to the RCBS charge table, meters 2.5 grains of Bullseye. Mine actually averages 2.35 of current Alliant product and 2.4 of older Hercules. This is a full charge load with the 71-grain Magtech, Hornady or Remington FMJ bullets at 0.97” OAL for 968 fps, from a 3.5” barrel, approximating CIP-Euro factory ammunition. Substituting Green Dot in LD Rotor #1 throws 2 grains of that powder, producing about 800 fps with the 77-78 grain NOE and Accurate bullets, being a safe “Group 1” practice load for continuous use in the Keltecs and other micro-pistols.

Table 1 - .32 ACP “WW2 Vintage,” Current Euro-CIP and Buffalo Bore +P Factory Ammunition
Ammunition ________________Beretta Tomcat 2.4”____Beretta M1935 3.4”
WW2 Geco Steel Cased FMJ_______907 fps, 14 Sd______977 fps, 11 Sd
WW2 WRA 73-grain FMJ__________923 fps, 28 Sd______1001 fps, 15 Sd
RWS 73-grain FMJ_______________896 fps, 29 Sd______981 fps, 16 Sd
Fiocchi 73-grain FMJ_____________848, fps, 32 Sd______917 fps, 11 Sd

Average 73-grain “Hardball” Velocity_894 fps___________969 fps
Average 73 grain “Hardball” Energy_128 ft.-lbs.________150 ft.-lbs.

Buffalo Bore 75-grain LFN_________883, fps, 6 Sd_____997 fps, 7 Sd
Buffalo Bore 75-grain Energy______128 ft.-lbs.________164 ft.-lbs.

Loads exceeding 130 ft.-lbs. of energy are not recommended for use in Beretta Tomcat or Keltec Pistols

Table 2 - Cast Bullet Velocity Required to Equal “Average Factory Energy” With Various Bullet Weights

_________________________▪2.4” Barrel”___________3.4” Barrel”
Avg. 73-gr. “Hardball” Energy_▪128 ft.-lbs. ___________150 ft.-lbs.
77 grain bullet______________▪865 fps______________938 fps
87-grain bullet______________▪815 fps______________882 fps
90-grain bullet______________▪800 fps______________865 fps
95-grain bullet______________▪780 fps______________845 fps
▪ Loads intended for Beretta Tomcat and Keltec pistols should be kept below these limits.

Table 3 - .32 ACP Hand Loads OAL 0.945” - “Group 1” Loads▪ suitable as a "steady diet" for use in Tomcat and Keltec pistols:

Ammunition ________________Beretta Tomcat 2.4”____Beretta M1935 3.4”

Acc. 31-077B 2.5 HP38___________810, 12 Sd**______n/f
Acc. 31-077B LD#00 2.0 TiteGroup__790, 12 Sd_______893, 19 Sd
Acc. 31-077B LD#0 2.2 Bullseye____757, 16 Sd_______932, 24 Sd
Acc. 31-077B LD#1 2.5 Bullseye____835, 16 Sd_______956, 18 Sd
Acc. 31-077B LD#0 3.0 AutoComp__837, 10 Sd_______957, 16 Sd
Acc.31-090B LD#00 2.5 AutoComp__729, 11 Sd_______833, 6 Sd

Acc. 31-095T LD#00 1.7 Bullseye_____640, 11 Sd_____729, 9 Sd
Acc. 31-095T LD#00 2.5 AutoComp___741, 25 Sd_____840, 6 Sd
Acc. 31-095T LD#6 5.2 #2400_______750, 17 Sd_____874, 13 Sd
Acc. 31-095T 2.3 grains HP38________n/f___________811, 21 Sd

Table 4 - “Group 2” Loads exceeding “average factory energy” for their barrel length for STEEL FRAMES ONLY.

Ammunition ________________Beretta Tomcat 2.4”____Beretta M1935 3.4”
Accurate 31-077B 5.9 #2400___913 fps, 16 Sd________957 fps, 15 Sd
Acc.31-077B LD#7 5.6 #2400______892, 26 Sd_______998, 22 Sd
Acc. 31-077B LD#4 3.0 Unique_____965, 26 Sd_______1067 fps, 19 Sd*

Acc. 31-087T LD#0 3.0 AutoComp+P_843, 18 Sd______962, 19 Sd
Acc. 31-087T LD#7, 5.6 #2400______825,15 Sd______926, 14 Sd

Acc. 31-090B LD#0, 2.2 Bullseye____800 fps, 8 Sd____851, 14 Sd
Acc. 31-090B 2.3 grains HP38______824 fps, 5 Sd____839, 16 Sd
Acc. 31-090B 2.5 grain Unique_____ 815 fps, 23 Sd___901, 33 Sd
Acc. 31-090B LD#00 2.0 Titegroup__818, 12 Sd______902, 16 Sd
Acc. 31-090B LD#0, 3.0 AutoComp+P_915 fps, 16 Sd__999, 14 Sd
Acc. 31-090B LD#6, 5.2 #2400______821 fps, 23 Sd__878, 20 Sd
Acc. 31-090V LD#7 5.6 #2400_______n/f___________904, 20 Sd

Hdy 85XTP.312” LD#0 3.0 AutoComp+P__853, 23 Sd__976, 8 Sd
Hdy 90XTP.309” LD#0 3.0 AutoComp+P__868, 12 Sd__968, 17 Sd
Nor 93FMJ .307” LD#0 3.0 AutoComp+P__856, 6 Sd___933, 11 Sd

Buffalo Bore factory load is tremendous penetrator, with more shocking power than FMJRN, but is NOT a reliable feeder!

.32 ACP water jug expansion tests:

31-087T-HP by www.hollowpointmold.com 1:30 tin/lead, 5.6 grs #2400, 900 fps Walther PP, 20 inches water jug penetration, expansion .60"
90-grain Hornady XTP .309", 3 grains AutoComp, 968 fps from Beretta M1935, 30 inches water jug penetration, expansion .40"
85 grain Hornady XTP .312", 3 grains AutoComp, 976 fps from Beretta M1935, 24 inches water jug penetration, expansion .45"

75-grain Buffalo Bore .915" OAL is "Jam-O-Matic"

Accurate 31-077B at 0.945 minimum OAL is reliable feeder
Accurate 31-087T at 0.945 minimum OAL is most reliable feeder in pistols which won't feed other flatnosed bullets.
Accurate 31-090B gives 1000 fps from Walther PP with 3 grains of AutoComp and equals .380 ACP energy!
Accurate 31-095T is heaviest, most blunt bullet which will feed in Colt, Walther and Beretta pistols.

[Catshooter]

Outpost,

That is a terrific write-up. Thanks a lot!


Cat

[Outpost75]

Outpost,

That is a terrific write-up. Thanks a lot!


Cat

The above is a pre-view of the article which will appear in the next upcoming issue of The Fouling Shot, published by the CBA.

I would highly recommend that all serious cast bullet shooters join the CBA and support the association, because nowhere else will you find the high quality of technical information published there. The news stand gun magazines are only vehicles to sell advertising and to pimp the advertiser's products with limp "puff" pieces.

The CBA is not supported by advertising dollars, but depends upon knowledgeable shooters like yourselves, to tinker, experiment, learn and share. The mix of articles is good, covering competition, hunting, collecting, plinking and historical fare.

Anybody who would like to see a sample issue, PM me with your mailing address and I'd be happy to send a sample .pdf copy of a recent issue.

[OuchHot!]

Outpost, thank you very much. I have been wanting something like this for my pp for a long time. I am looking forward to your article in the fouling shot!

[Boolseye]

Outpost, that's a great write-up, you've obviously done a lot of work that we can benefit from.

I have that NOE Ranch Dog mold and like it. Very accurate in my CZ-70 over 231 and BE (I wanna say about 2.4 gr.). I was thinking of casting some Lee 93 gr. RN to try. I've read that it shoots well.
Anyone?

[Thin Man]

TBG, if you are interested in a budget minded project, here it is. Buy a Lee 311-100-2R mold. Deliver it to your favorite machine shop. Have them mill off the bottom full diameter band and the lube groove immediately above it. This will leave you with a single lube groove and a square base full diameter band below it. Now the mold will drop boolits that weigh 78 grains +/- based on your alloy. Size. lube, shoot. This boolit feeds up reliably and groups on par with factory RN ammo.

In an earlier attempt at this project I used a Lee 311-93-1R mold. Poor results. The mold now throws 70 grain +/- boolits. However, if all of the lube groove is seated inside the case mouth the COL is too short to provide reliable feeding. If you want reliable feeding the lube band (and lube) will have to be above the case mouth and exposed to the world. Not a happy solution. I have retained this second mold for the variety it offers, also perhaps for revolver use in spite of having a slightly undersize diameter. Now, did someone mention Beagling this mold? Hmmmmmmmm. I included info on this mold to help others avoid the issues I had with mine.

[Texas by God]

Thanks to all, especially Outpost for the data & bullets; bzcraig for PC bullets, and others for your suggestions. I have my dies & brass ready; this weekend I will make more brass from shooting factory ammo up in my 1972 PP. Best, Thomas.

[trapper9260]

I have the mold from MP when they had there group buy on it and works great in my Keltec.

[9.3X62AL]

Outpost--I am back on board with the CBA.

I have yet to move on the 32 ACP project, but will be doing so shortly. You mentioned the swap of recoil springs in your 1903 Colts......what are your thoughts with a similar move in my 1965-made Walther PP? (380 recoil spring swap)

[Mk42gunner]

Every time I talk myself out of wanting a 1903 Colt in .32 ACP, I read another of Outpost's threads and start thinking about it again. Well done sir.

Robert

[exile]

So, NOE is having a sale. Does anyone know if the 75 grain Ranch Dog mold will feed through a North American Arms Guardian? Thanks. exile

[Outpost75]

Sorry for late reply. Yes, my .32 ACP Walther PPs both have .380 recoil springs as does also my .32 ACP SIG P230.

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took out the first lube groove on a lee 93 grain ended up with a 65 grain bullet a tad short for my 32acp but worked great on 32sw. bought a 100 grain lee for 32 long and should have used that one to cut down it would have worked a lot better. cutting one down is easier than you might think. used a rough file to rough it in when close use emery cloth to finish . measure several spots across top and mark any high spots with a marker to help get it even. bought a rcbs 77grain rn mold after first one didnt work out.wish i had bought the other lee first.