What's the word on the SIG P320?

[fourarmed]

My wife hates her Glock 19, so we looked at some other compact 9mm pistols, and came home with a SIG 320 compact. Is anybody using one, and do you have any observations to share? I know the throat is short. Ammo I had loaded using the Lee 125 RFN for the KKM tube in the Glock had to have the bullets seated .050" deeper to pass the plunk test.

[W.R.Buchanan]

The jury is still out on these guns, they have only been around for 3 years.

The Army just bought $580 Million Dollars worth of them so they must have impressed someone. I know they beat out the Glock 19 by about $50 per gun so that probably had something to do with the buy.

Once they get in service we'll see how they hold up. Sig makes good guns so you shouldn't have any big problems.

If your wife hated her Glock, why did she like this gun? They are very similar in nature and operation.

Randy

[Lefty Red]

It shoots like a Sig, like the 19 shoots like a Glock. Just that certain feel each brand has.




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[Tackleberry41]

I had the earlier DAO P250. My understanding is they changed it to striker fired, other than that its the same gun. I had one briefly, got rid of it, it was not the most reliable gun. It would FTE sometimes, leave the empty partially extracted to gum up the next round. I expect why the guy who had it before wanted to get rid of it, maybe the guy I sold it to still has it. I was in the market for a 357 sig recently, and well you can get the 320 in it. After the 250 I was a bit leery of the 320, but fine will look it over. The ambi slide lock was useless. Oh you could lock it open, just not let the slide close. It was bending, and no matter how hard you pushed on it wouldn't release the slide with a mag in it. I gave it a chance, bought something else.

One thing you will notice real quick is the difference in mag prices. They were not easy to find and only ones who sold them were sig at $50 ea.

Its 'modular' but I never found it to be true. It was near impossible to find the extra parts. They could have used inserts for the plastic frame, but went with making you buy a $40 frame. And the conversion was not much less than buying a second pistol. It was the whole top end.

[fourarmed]

I agree about the value of the "modularity." Margaret shut her trigger finger in a car door a few years ago, and the little "hard-on" in the Glock trigger hurts it no matter what I did to smooth it. She loves the SIG trigger. Smooth and rounded, with no projections.

[FergusonTO35]

What does she hate about the Glock in particular? How many rounds has she put through it? I like Glocks alot but they do have a learning curve. The P320 is not an inexpensive gun either.

[Bigslug]

They basically took a Glock, got rid of its one kinda-sorta external safety so now the gun has none at all, made it more complicated with extra parts, raised the bore axis so it climbs more when you shoot it, and came up with a "modular" concept that only the nerds will actually use.

[Multigunner]

" Margaret shut her trigger finger in a car door a few years ago, "

I caught the last joint of my ring finger under the steel roller of a Thistle's center board thirty years ago and it still doesn't work quite right. lucky it didn't shear it off.

[FergusonTO35]

If you're leaning towards the P320 I would suggest giving the Ruger American Compact a look. It's very similar to the P320 and costs about $200.00 less. I haven't read about too many problems with them either.

[skeeter2]

I got interested when the army adopted the sig p320. Got a full size one with the Red dot mounted. The sights are high enough that you can use the tritium sights or the red dot. The red dot makes it an accurate lead dispenser. I didn't have any 9mm molds so I used the lee 125 gr .358 bullet. My bullets are Hytek coated. I have not have any sort of hiccup with my loads. The trigger is nice, not a lot of travel. Its the first striker fired gun that has really interested me.

[fourarmed]

The one we bought came with a holster and tritium sights, so that's about $150 of the $600 price. Puts the gun itself in a very competitive position. The Ruger has the same sort of trigger lever as the Glock, so that was out. I thought she might go for an M&P, but the trigger is textured and hinged, and she found it uncomfortable, too. The thing she really likes to shoot is DA revolvers, and this was as close to that feel as we found at our store.

[fourarmed]

Skeeter2, what sort of dot did you put on yours? Is it a SIG item or aftermarket?

[skeeter2]

Four armed,

I got the RX model which comes with the Sig Romeo sight on it. The sight goes off when you lay the gun down and comes back on when you pick it up. It is the only sight that you can use and still see the open sights.

[W.R.Buchanan]

I can't stand the Glock Trigger the way it comes as it grinds a groove into you finger, and after you fire 800 rounds over 4 days it becomes Semi Permanent.

The trick with Glock Triggers is to trim that safety down with an X-acto knife to where it is flush with the front face of the trigger when it is fully depressed. When you press the trigger the safety is not proud but it still works as advertised. It is the first thing I do to any Glock I get.

Randy

[fourarmed]

Randy,I did the same thing to hers, but I must have left it a little too high, as it still hurt the finger. (She really did some damage to it with that car door.)

Skeeter, what powder charge are you using with that Lee bullet?

[skeeter2]

I using red dot! 4.2 grains from the Lyman manual.

[osteodoc08]

Eh, it's another polymer striker fired handgun with a spotty history with the 250. Modularity is something Inpersoanlly don't need. I've enjoyed my M&P series of guns and will likely get a second series M&P. They've been 100%. The non-M&P calibers, specifically 10mm, I use my Goock Model 20SF which is my bang around the woods gun. Full power 180-200gr projectiles with a capacity of 15+1 is quite a bit of firepower for 2 and 4 legged vermin.

I hooe she enjoys her 320. Give us an update after a while.

My favorite 9mm Sig is my P226 Tacops. I've never had any other pistol fit my hand as perfect as that gun except for my 1911's with the M&P a close runner up.

[deepwater]

The "modularity " aspect of the Sig 320 makes it very economical to rehab the firearm from normal and accidental wear. The frame (plastic) is so well formed that it looks like metal. The grip fills the hand and feels great to me. It is more rigid than the Glock frame....do not know how that effects recoil dissipation. The bore is higher. "If" they hold up, I think it is a great choice for the military and civilian market.

I purchased a Sig P260 on the total feel of the grip....just a little wider and longer. The additional weight also reduces felt recoil for my arthritic hands.

[jmort]

I will get one when the dust settles. 320 looks to me like possible "perfection"
The real kind, not Austrian Perfection, but German Perfection

[robertbank]

I feel for your wife's finger problems. I has shingles in my right hand about 12 years ago. Shooting a Glock is ike picking up glass shards in a hurry! Very painful. I love my M&P's and won't let them go but the 320 with an Optic is one sweet combination and I suspect will be a winner in IDPA.

Take Care

Bob

[fourarmed]

We were at the range the day she did it. She shut the door, there was a long silence, then she said "Bob, I just shut my finger in the door. I need to go to the emergency room." I said "There's not much the emergency room will do about a finger in the door." She showed it to me, and I said "Let's go to the emergency room." When we got there, the triage guy asked the problem. We told him. He said "There's not much we can do about a finger in the door." She showed it to him. He said "Follow me, I'll get the surgeon." As I recall, it took seven or eight stitches.

[bedbugbilly]

You guys do realize that these Sigs don't exist without pictures don't you? :-)

O.K. I just like gun porn. I haven't seen one in person and this has been an interesting thread.

[deepwater]

https://www.sigsauer.com/edu/meet-the-p320/

[Powder Burn]

Son just bought the compact in .40. Cost him $499 OTD. He has to wait 3 days before he picks it up. He had S&W Shield in .40 but sold it some time ago. I thought the Shield was difficult to control. I'm sure 9mm would have been better, at least for me.

Update: I guess my son sold his M&P and bought the Shield in .40. I still think the Shield is just difficult for me to control in that caliber. Went out with his new Sig P320 Compact in .40 and I was very impressed with the trigger. By far, the most accurate pistol I've shot in a long time. Larger than Shield or PPS but fits well in my hand. Sights are very nice. I may have to add one to my collection in 9MM.

[mjwcaster]

I have shot the p320 in 9mm and 45.
The 9mm didn't do much for me, but really only shot a few rounds through a couple of different ones that students had in class.

Gun shop I was working at got a p320 compact in 45 ACP.

I took that out, not expecting much.
Boy I was wrong, it put a grin on my face that just couldn't be wiped off.
I ran a couple of hundred rounds through it, all the 45 I had with me.

Got back to the shop, the owner took one look at me and said 'No, you can't have it, it's mine'

I guess my face showed exactly how I felt about it.

Why did I like it so much, I couldn't even tell you, it just felt 'right' in my hands.

As an instructor I get to shoot a decent variety of guns, and as much as I like them all, it is very rare for me to get truly excited about one.

This was one of them.

The real question in my mind is why the 9mm versions never did much for me, but the 45 did.



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[Artful]

The jury is still out on these guns, they have only been around for 3 years.

The Army just bought $580 Million Dollars worth of them so they must have impressed someone. I know they beat out the Glock 19 by about $50 per gun so that probably had something to do with the buy.

Once they get in service we'll see how they hold up. Sig makes good guns so you shouldn't have any big problems.

If your wife hated her Glock, why did she like this gun? They are very similar in nature and operation.

Randy

Wait for it...

https://kitup.military.com/2017/02/modular-handgun-system-2.html?hl=1&noRedirect=1

Glock Protests Army’s Modular Handgun Decision
FEBRUARY 27, 2017

Glock Inc., filed a protest today against the Army’s selection of the Sig Sauer P320 to become the service’s new Modular Handgun System

Glock filed the protest Friday, Feb. 24 with the Government Accountability Office. The move will likely delay the Modular Handgun System Program until June 5 when the GAO is expected to rule on the protest, according to the GAO website.

Army Times first reported the story.

The Army awarded Sig Sauer a contract (http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/01/19/army-picks-sig-sauer-replace-m9-service-pistol.html) worth up to $580 million Jan. 19. Sig Sauer beat out Glock Inc., FN America and Beretta USA, the maker of the current M9 9mm service pistol, in the competition for the Modular Handgun System, or MHS, program.

The 10-year agreement calls for Sig to supply the Army with full-size and compact versions of its 9mm pistol. The pistols can be outfitted with suppressors and accommodate standard and extended capacity magazines.

The Army launched its long-awaited XM17 MHS competition in late August 2015 to replace its Cold War-era M9 9mm pistol. The decision formally ended the Beretta’s 30-year hold on the Army’s sidearm market.

The Army in December down-selected to two finalists for the competition: Sig and Glock, which had submitted its Glock 17 and Glock 19 models for consideration.

Given the size of the contract, Glock was widely expected to protest the decision.

The Army began working with the small arms industry on Modular Handgun System in early 2013, but the joint effort has been in the works for more than five years. It could result in the Defense Department buying nearly 500,000 new pistols.

The Army says it is still trying to work out how many new pistols it plans to field, but Program Executive Office Soldier officials initially estimated that the service planned to purchase more than 280,000 full size handguns and approximately 7,000 sub-compact versions.

The other military services participating in the program may order an additional 212,000 systems above the Army quantity.

[w5pv]

I have a 9mm in the sig it is a wonderful shooting gun>I find no faults with it.

[fourarmed]

My wife shot a bordello field pistol match with the P320 compact just for fun. She was using the first load I tried: 3.8/231/125 Lee RF. This load seems to string vertically for me, but she shot it rather well. Lately I have shot some groups with factory loads, and I was especially surprised at how well it shot 115 gr. fmj. It actually grouped better with that than anything else I have tried so far. The grip is short for me. Sometimes I can get my pinkie on, and sometimes not. That may explain the vertical stringing. So far, everything that has gone bang has functioned perfectly.

[41mag]

I got the wife one back around May of last year. so far it has close to, if not more than 1500 rounds through it with no gun related issues. I admit that there have been a few stove pipes but those were easily explained by the age and size of the grandson who was shooting it. Just doesn't have the wrist strength just yet.

The oldest at 15 however, will burn through as much ammo as I have with me, and hasn't found anything that he doesn't like. Hard to actually keep track of the rounds through the pistol with him shooting. I just know I have loaded close to 3500 rounds since we got it and he also likes my P226 TO. The wife has had no issues with it running full power factory loads along side my lite loads of 4.0gr of Bullseye under a Berry 115gr RN for the kiddo's.

[FergusonTO35]

My best friend just ordered a P320 compact in 9mm. He is going to get the subcompact grip and mags for carry. Prices on these things are all over the place. He is getting his for $449.00 before tax. My favorite shop has them for $489.00. Darth Vader's Gun Shop and Range aka Bud's wants $580.00.

[FergusonTO35]

Was finally able to meet up and give my friend's P320 a try. Within the first mag I was shooting it as well as my Glocks. The trigger pull and feel of the grip is excellent, Sig did a first rate job with them. The slide is a bit wide for my taste and I really don't care for the forward cocking serrations and downward sloping contour of the sides. They should have just gone with the classic P220 series look. Can't have it all I guess, very nice pistol otherwise.