327 Mag Snubbie

[Lefty Red]

Are they worth it?
Is the sixth round worth the extra cost?
Will you get enough velocity out of the short barrel?
Just use 32H&R Mag in it?

For some reason this little round is weighing heavy on my mind lately. Would like. Snub nose with a sixth round, but want it with some *** behind it too!

Lefty


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[TJF1]

I have ruger sp101 3 in 327 and I love it.

Terry

[XDROB]

If you want a heavy hitting relatively small gun then look at the Taurus Public Defender. 45 long colt or 410 shot shell. 2 1/2 inch barrel I think.

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[Lefty Red]

If you want a heavy hitting relatively small gun then look at the Taurus Public Defender. 45 long colt or 410 shot shell. 2 1/2 inch barrel I think.

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I would not call the Public Defender or Governor or Judge a small pistol. Nor do I have any use or desire to own such a thing.

I know guys that do and they love them! But I just don't see the need nor the draw. But someone is buying them cause they are always asked for at gun shops and never sitting around long.


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[Lefty Red]

I have ruger sp101 3 in 327 and I love it.

Terry

That is what I'm looking at!



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[XDROB]

I just mentioned it because I did carry one IWB for awhile. Sold it to a friend who wanted one. Sold it because I wasn't practicing with it enough. To put 20 or more rounds through it became too much for my hands, wrist and forearm. Cool gun, big felt recoil!

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[dragon813gt]

That is what I'm looking at!



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That's not a snub nose. You want a LCR if you're looking for a small pocket revolver. I own the same SP101 and have nothing good to say about it. Had to be sent back to Ruger to be finished. Should have never made it past QC. And it has a horrendous trigger. If I actually sold guns I didn't like it would be the first one to go. But I keep everything I buy and I'm a fan of the 327 Fed. It's a range toy that gets limited use and nothing more.

[Guesser]

I've used a Taurus 327B2 for about 5 years now. It is fine with 327, good muzzle blast but hell.....whadda ya 'spect from a 2". Seems to be a good gun. The hammer/trigger action is a lot better than my 2 SP-101's, but they are the newer 4.2" and are used for different purposes. I'd buy another 327B2 in a flash.......

[rintinglen]

I'd buy a snubby 327 in a heat beat if I came across one at a reasonable price. Right one of my favorite guns is my Single Seven 7.5 incher and I have been shooting it often. I'd like a 2 or 3 inch SP101 if I could find one, but one of the S&W's would be even nicer.

[Green Frog]

I can't speak to the portion of the OP's question concerning a short barrel as my two 327 FM revolvers have a 4" and a 5 1/2" barrel. OTOH, I can safely state that ANY of the 327s can easily be loaded with any of the shorter 32 rounds, including 32 H&R, 32 S&W and S&W Long, and even the semi-rimmed 32 auto. If you reload, I'm sure you can find a proper round for your snubbie utilizing a fairly fast-burning powder and a medium light bullet. The 327 is an extremely versatile cartridge, and if it had come out in the '80s when revolvers were much more popular, it would have been an instant success and would still be growing quickly.

Froggie

[Lefty Red]

That's not a snub nose. You want a LCR if you're looking for a small pocket revolver. I own the same SP101 and have nothing good to say about it. Had to be sent back to Ruger to be finished. Should have never made it past QC. And it has a horrendous trigger. If I actually sold guns I didn't like it would be the first one to go. But I keep everything I buy and I'm a fan of the 327 Fed. It's a range toy that gets limited use and nothing more.

I beg to differ. I would carry the SP101 in 327! 3 or 4 barrel.

If it's not liked, it goes down the road. Life is too short to live with negative people or clean bad guns. :)


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[HBAR2989]

I just had a 4.2" SP 101 in 327 follow me home today. Lee 90 gr swc, and dies arrived also. I wanted it for a small game gun with 32 mag, being the primary round, although I did pick up 100 starline 327 to play with. Can't wait to get something put together and get it out.

[Plate plinker]

If you are carrying the gun the sixth round is worth it when the methhead you hit 5 times still standing.

[Lefty Red]

If you are carrying the gun the sixth round is worth it when the methhead you hit 5 times still standing.

So true!

One or two rounds difference when talking about a 15 or 17 capacity weapon is nothing to really worry about. But when it's 5 or 7 rounds, then it matters a whole lot!

Lefty


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[Lefty Red]

I just had a 4.2" SP 101 in 327 follow me home today. Lee 90 gr swc, and dies arrived also. I wanted it for a small game gun with 32 mag, being the primary round, although I did pick up 100 starline 327 to play with. Can't wait to get something put together and get it out.

Favorite shop has one like that and it's a dandy! Really wish it had the half lug Barrel like the 22lr version.


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[jrayborn]

I have every .327 Fed mag Ruger has made and love all of them. The LCR is ideal as a carry piece and my SP101 has a fantastic trigger and shoots like a laser beam. You could choose something much worse but I expect these will scratch your itch quite well.

[charlie b]

I carried an SP101 in .357Mag for several years. I figured if 5 rounds didn't do the job one more wouldn't make that much difference. :) I did carry a speed strip or two in my pocket ;)

Purchased new in 2008. Nice and smooth trigger. Not bad single action either. Shooting .38 spl with it was fun. Even 125gn .357 loads weren't bad. I could shoot a box full even with the stock grips.

I carried it in a pancake holster or in the front pocket of my motorcycle pants. The pancake holster was much more concealing than I thought it would be. Just a shirt over it worked as long as I was careful to not make it print.

[Finster101]

I still do not understand your definition of a snubby. Everything you have mentioned thus far does not fall into that category. The LCR is the only one that fits. I hope you find what your looking for.

[Lefty Red]

I still do not understand your definition of a snubby. Everything you have mentioned thus far does not fall into that category. The LCR is the only one that fits. I hope you find what your looking for.

I think you are the one with a too strict definition of a snubbie. But hey, no harm and no foul. Be safe!


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[Thundarstick]

I own 7, 327 revolvers and have a Henry lever on order, so you could say I like the 327! I carry a SP101 like you are looking at EVERY day and would bet my life on it! The only complaint I've ever had about mine is it impacts high and there is not a replacement blade to fix it. Most are not aware that the 327 Federal in factory form uses small rifle primers and takes a heavier spring to reliably ignite them. So 327 Federal guns generally have heavier pulls than 38s.

[dragon813gt]

Technically a snub nose has a barrel 3" or less. Most don't consider it a snub nose if the barrel is over 2". The extra inch of barrel makes a good difference in concealability.

[RJM52]

I have the 3" SP101 that I just bought used a couple of months ago and the LCR... Both are great shooters. I have not gotten a chance to see what the velocity is for them however. The 3" SP101 was reviewed on Gunblast and factory loads were smokin'.

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-SP101-327.htm

Bob

[charlie b]

Yep, I don't know if I would call the 3" SP101 a snubbie or not. It certainly is not like a 4", but, is more shootable than a 2".

Since I carried mine mostly in a pancake holster the extra bit of barrel was not a problem. And the motorcycle pants pocket was just the right shape for it, so, in those pants it was a pocket pistol.

Due to the weight I would not carry one in regular pants pocket so holster carry makes little difference in barrel length.

Again a 'snubbie' in my mind is a 2"bbl.

[Lefty Red]

After seeing the positive reviews, I thinks I will get one in the 3" snide nose version. Thanks all!


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[Lloyd Smale]

theres a 3 inch smith 327 at the gunshop right now. I don't have much use for a 327 but if it was a 32 mag I might bite. I know you can shoot the 32s in the 327 but I just don't want that longer cylinder. I had one of the 4 inch 32 mag gp101s and foolishly sold it. It was a very accurate handy trail gun.

[Lefty Red]

theres a 3 inch smith 327 at the gunshop right now. I don't have much use for a 327 but if it was a 32 mag I might bite. I know you can shoot the 32s in the 327 but I just don't want that longer cylinder. I had one of the 4 inch 32 mag gp101s and foolishly sold it. It was a very accurate handy trail gun.

I am the same way. Would rather have one of the good j frames or SPs in 32H&R, like they made a few years ago. It's the only reason I haven't bitten and purchased one yet. One Bud has the 4" SP and it shoots 32Mag great. He hasn't found any 327 brass yet.

Yep, looks like my new Tax Return pistol! LOL

Lefty


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[Love Life]

There is a current production, 6 shot, 38 special snub nose coming to market soon.

[Three-Fifty-Seven]

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/ShawnTVT/Guns/20161227_171025-1_zpsvskppgej.jpg (http://s153.photobucket.com/user/ShawnVT/media/Guns/20161227_171025-1_zpsvskppgej.jpg.html)

[Lefty Red]

These are all 357, but the guns are the same outside size as a 327 ...

I've carried my 3 1/16" SP101 many miles ...

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/ShawnTVT/Guns/20161019_141006_zpswfaafc1o.jpg (http://s153.photobucket.com/user/ShawnTVT/media/Guns/20161019_141006_zpswfaafc1o.jpg.html)

For those that say a snub needs a 2" barrel ... my J frame above (and below) is longer, and the LCR is shorter than 2" ... ;)

Ruger LCR & S&W 640
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/ShawnTVT/Guns/20161227_171025-1_zpsvskppgej.jpg (http://s153.photobucket.com/user/ShawnTVT/media/Guns/20161227_171025-1_zpsvskppgej.jpg.html)

All revolvers matter, regardless of barrel size. :)


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[Lloyd Smale]

make mine a 3in j frame in 32mag with adjustable sights. I had a 38 special like that that I foolishly let slip through my hands.

[Walkingwolf]

One or two rounds in a hi cap semi auto IMO is not a big difference. One shot more over a five shot, hell yes it is worth it. My wife carries a Colt Police Positive in 32-20. Low recoil, light for a steel revolver.

[Lefty Red]

Sage advice, Walkingwolf.
One of my favorite instructors told me the same.


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[Three-Fifty-Seven]

.d" ;)

[Whit Spurzon]

My 3" SP101 spits them out 100-150 fps slower than my Single Seven 5.5" depending on the load. The LRC chrono results lost another 50-100 fps compared to the 3" SP.

My 3" prints high too. About 6-8" at 25 yards with 327 loads and hot 32 H&R. My 32s seem to behave best with 100gr or heavier bullets. All are good shooters.

[Lloyd Smale]

As a civilian if 5 isn't enough you might want to spend your money on burial insurance instead of a higher capacity gun. Your not going into a fire fight UNLESS YOU REALLY SCREWED UP!!

[9.3X62AL]

There is a current production, 6 shot, 38 special snub nose coming to market soon.

Who is the maker?

[NavyVet1959]

I've been tempted to get a .327 mag a couple of times, but I have a 7-shot stainless .357 mag snub nose, so I just don't see the need for it. The brass is not going to be that common, so it's not likely to be found as range pickup. The .327 has standard loads with lighter bullets, but if I was wanting that, I'm sure I could develop a .357 mag loading with bullets that light also. Now, if it was 10 rounds of .327 mag in a revolver, I might get interested.

[Three-Fifty-Seven]

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[NavyVet1959]

Does a 2.75" barrel still qualify as a "snub nose"? If so, Ruger has a 8-shot .357 mag Redhawk...

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2017/1/6/ruger-adds-8-shot-357-mag-to-redhawk-line/
http://www.ruger.com/products/redhawk/specSheets/5033.html

http://www.range365.com/sites/range365.com/files/styles/large_1x_/public/images/2016/12/1.jpg?itok=n9ojz30k&fc=50,50

[Wizwheel]

Charter Arms 327, 38, 357 for under 4 bills! Aluminum 12 oz, stainless 16oz, 357 magnum @20 oz. I have a stainless 38sp+P, and love it. They have great grips, point very well, and mine had a match grade trigger right out of the box! I was very surprised with the quality of this lower cost gun, and really happy about the purchase.

[Lefty Red]

Charter Arms 327, 38, 357 for under 4 bills! Aluminum 12 oz, stainless 16oz, 357 magnum @20 oz. I have a stainless 38sp+P, and love it. They have great grips, point very well, and mine had a match grade trigger right out of the box! I was very surprised with the quality of this lower cost gun, and really happy about the purchase.

I wasn't impressed with the newer CAs.
Awaiting on the Colt Cobra, but those that have handled it at the Shot Show have mixed feelings.


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[9.3X62AL]

Thank you, 123DB.

[Lloyd Smale]

I say no. Even my k frame 2.5 inch adjustable sighted gun is not considered a snubby by me. More of a trail gun then a ccw gun. to me to be considered a snub nose it going to have a 2 inch barrel and fixed sights and shoot a bullet no bigger then .357. But that's just my opinion. I'm sure others think different.
Does a 2.75" barrel still qualify as a "snub nose"? If so, Ruger has a 8-shot .357 mag Redhawk...

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2017/1/6/ruger-adds-8-shot-357-mag-to-redhawk-line/
http://www.ruger.com/products/redhawk/specSheets/5033.html

http://www.range365.com/sites/range365.com/files/styles/large_1x_/public/images/2016/12/1.jpg?itok=n9ojz30k&fc=50,50

[dragon813gt]

I agree w/ Lloyd but it seems others think differently: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snubnosed_revolver

[Lefty Red]

Does a 2.75" barrel still qualify as a "snub nose"? If so, Ruger has a 8-shot .357 mag Redhawk...

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2017/1/6/ruger-adds-8-shot-357-mag-to-redhawk-line/
http://www.ruger.com/products/redhawk/specSheets/5033.html

http://www.range365.com/sites/range365.com/files/styles/large_1x_/public/images/2016/12/1.jpg?itok=n9ojz30k&fc=50,50

I will call it a snub nose NavyVet! No matter what Wikipedia says. :)

Seriously, the Redhawk snub is on my short list of pistols I want this year!

Lefty


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[Three-Fifty-Seven]

.s???

[Three-Fifty-Seven]

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[Lloyd Smale]

you have the right to your opinion on what constitutes a snubby just like I do. Sorry if it bothers you that I don't consider your gun a snubby. Never said you had to agree or that my opinion is the new rule! Its just an opinion.
So ... my J Frame in post #28 isn't a "snubbie"???

While it shoots a .357 (actually. 3585") boolit ...
And has fixed sights ...

The barrel is too LONG! HUH???

Guess the little short 2.25" SP101 can't be a "snubbie" either, right ???

To me ... a ccw gun should not have an exposed hammer, or fixed sights ... ;)

Which begs the question ... are ccw guns and snubbies the same thing always???

[Three-Fifty-Seven]

s ... ;)

[Lefty Red]

Gentleman, I think we are getting our Underoos in a bunch over pretty petty stuff.

I really appreciate the input and responses I got over this thread. Looks like I'm getting a few new short barrel carry weapons this year. :)

Lefty


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[Thundarstick]

I find it much much easier to conceal a 3 inch small frame revolver than a mid frame or full size semi auto! Call'em what you want.

[NavyVet1959]

It's called a "snub-nosed revolver". That means that there are two requirements.

1. It must be a revolver.
2. The barrel must be shorter than the standard barrel for that firearm.

There's nothing in that that says what sort of sights or grips it has or even if it is lighter or easy to conceal.

The wiki page states 3" or less. That works for me. But then again, I only have one revolver that I would consider a "snub nosed" and it has a 2" barrel.

Now, I also have a NAA .22LR/.22mag and it has a barrel less than 2", but I don't really consider it a "snub nosed" since the barrel length is proportional to the size of the firearm, so maybe it is a bit of a subjective measurement in some cases.

[NavyVet1959]

I find it much much easier to conceal a 3 inch small frame revolver than a mid frame or full size semi auto! Call'em what you want.

Everything is a trade off... If I was going to be in NYC or Mexico and carrying, I would probably consider my Taurus 617 as the largest that I could carry. If I wanted even deeper concealment, I would probably go with the NAA .22 mag or the Beretta 21A. If I'm visiting a foreign country and flying to get get there, I'm pretty restricted with respect to carrying a firearm with me though. In such situations, I have to rely on just carrying a hickory club with me.

[Lloyd Smale]

probably true but youd have much more firepower with the mid sized semi auto. Do a far comparison between a small framed revolver that holds 5 or 6 shots and a small 9mm or 40 like aruger lc9, glock 43 or smith shield and you will have a gun easier to conseal that's much thinner and holds 7 or more rounds. I like little smiths. Ive got a couple j frames and think there very cool little guns. I even carry one occasionaly. I kind of relate it too comparing a 67 Camaro to a 2017 camero. The old one has cool factor but it beat in every performance category buy the newer one. Still fun to drive once in a while though. As to what constitutes a snubby that's like asking what constitutes a carbine. Some call a 22 inch 86 like the one I used to have a carbine. to me the cut off is 20 inch. Just like to me the cutoff for a snubby is 2 inch. I could care less if someone else has a different opinion. You can call your gun an artillery peace if you want. Its yours. I guess to some of you my old ruger Alaskan 454 is a snubby. Personaly I think its a closer fit to call it an artillery piece!;)
I find it much much easier to conceal a 3 inch small frame revolver than a mid frame or full size semi auto! Call'em what you want.

[Lefty Red]

probably true but youd have much more firepower with the mid sized semi auto. Do a far comparison between a small framed revolver that holds 5 or 6 shots and a small 9mm or 40 like aruger lc9, glock 43 or smith shield and you will have a gun easier to conseal that's much thinner and holds 7 or more rounds. I like little smiths. Ive got a couple j frames and think there very cool little guns. I even carry one occasionaly. I kind of relate it too comparing a 67 Camaro to a 2017 camero. The old one has cool factor but it beat in every performance category buy the newer one. Still fun to drive once in a while though. As to what constitutes a snubby that's like asking what constitutes a carbine. Some call a 22 inch 86 like the one I used to have a carbine. to me the cut off is 20 inch. Just like to me the cutoff for a snubby is 2 inch. I could care less if someone else has a different opinion. You can call your gun an artillery peace if you want. Its yours. I guess to some of you my old ruger Alaskan 454 is a snubby. Personaly I think its a closer fit to call it an artillery piece!;)

I know, I carry my G43 or G42 or Sig P938 more than a small framed revolver. Hell, I find that I carry my G36 more than my G23 or G27 most of the times. The "slight" differences on paper doesn't look like much, but when carrying it does. And I doubt I need more than 7 rounds in a situation. Although I do carry a reload, cause stuff happens. I feel like I will lose a magazine before I need to reload.

Same with the small framed revolvers, they look bigger and fatter but I can carry them quite well. Even K frames or a GP100, they seem to blend into me. Its just the weight of such weapons that affect me carrying them. But I still carry them, belt and pocket. Just cant seem to shake them. :)

But the smaller pistols, even the 380's, seem just as good and the ammo is making leaps and bounds. Almost to the point that they have replaced the small framed 38s in today's new shooter's eyes. And if I was truly as skeptical as I say I am, the tests and figures back it up. I had a revolver bind up on me, at the range, a couple of years ago. Only had ten rounds through a clean weapon and it was factory ammo. From then on I had a dilemma, either carry a second Airweight or go to a semiauto. Yeah, semi's jam too, but I can clear them. This 642 wasn't moving and I was out of the fight I had gotten myself into one. So nothing is perfect.

Thanks to LLoyd and everyone else that has inputted their thoughts and opinions. I know I truly respect them and even if differ from them, I question the reasons why. Be safe, its a jungle out there......

Lefty

[Walkingwolf]

I find it much much easier to conceal a 3 inch small frame revolver than a mid frame or full size semi auto! Call'em what you want.

When I was young and thinner I could conceal a 4 inch model 64 without any problem. Probably still could, just don't want to.

The 1911 also concealed rather well, needed to wear shirt untucked though for both.

[Lloyd Smale]

I know what you mean. Back about 60lbs ago I could easily carry my 3 inch 29 in an in the waste band holster and did often. Now I need something thin.
When I was young and thinner I could conceal a 4 inch model 64 without any problem. Probably still could, just don't want to.

The 1911 also concealed rather well, needed to wear shirt untucked though for both.

[RJM52]

I call all 2.5-3.5" revolvers "Tweens"...kinda like new name for kids 11-13.... {Be}Tween a Snubbie and a Service revolver...