Repeal the National Firearms Act!

[Jake70]

I'm not sure if this has been posted here yet or not, so I figured I'd post it just in case. There is a petition going around asking for the NFA to be repealed. We have a right to SBRs, machine guns, and suppressors, and it's about time we take that right back. The petition needs 100,000 signatures to be addressed by the White House.

It has over 90,000 as of now. I've kept track of this petition since yesterday afternoon, and it managed to get 10,000 signatures since then. We have 9 days to go before it closes. 10,000 more should be easy to get, but the more signatures we get, the bigger the message we sent to DC. Let's make sure our voices are heard loud and clear. We will no longer stand by as our rights are infringed upon. Please sign it, and pass it along to every gun owner, freedom lover, and red blooded American you know! If you can, pass it along to other forums as well. Thank you.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/repeal-nfa

[Duckiller]

Not sure I want it repealed. Do you have any idea how much ammo it takes to feed automatic weapons? When my sons were small one got to shoot 38 Special wadcutters and the younger shot 22LR. 22s were cheap to buy and I could keep the older son in wadcutters. Then they grew up and got 9mm and 45 ACP pistols. I could barely keep up with them and for major shoots (lots of friends) we needed help and lots of prior planning. Once they got ARs and AKs my reloading was overwhelmed. And you want to legalize fully automatic weapons. No way could I keep up with my Rockchucker. I will have to spend lots of time on the phone with Dillion to get my 550 to properly feed primers and generally work like people on the internet say it should. I am too old for this foolishness. I like my revolvers and rifles, bolt, lever and semi-auto. I can feed them.

[Geezer in NH]

Petition is a waste of time IMHO

[Jake70]

Not sure I want it repealed. Do you have any idea how much ammo it takes to feed automatic weapons? When my sons were small one got to shoot 38 Special wadcutters and the younger shot 22LR. 22s were cheap to buy and I could keep the older son in wadcutters. Then they grew up and got 9mm and 45 ACP pistols. I could barely keep up with them and for major shoots (lots of friends) we needed help and lots of prior planning. Once they got ARs and AKs my reloading was overwhelmed. And you want to legalize fully automatic weapons. No way could I keep up with my Rockchucker. I will have to spend lots of time on the phone with Dillion to get my 550 to properly feed primers and generally work like people on the internet say it should. I am too old for this foolishness. I like my revolvers and rifles, bolt, lever and semi-auto. I can feed them.

I consider that to be a good problem to have. ;)


Petition is a waste of time IMHO

Maybe, maybe not. The alternative is to do nothing like we have for almost a century. That's sure to start a movement and get that law repealed. :rolleyes:

This petition will make our voices heard. At the very least it will require the white house to respond. 90,000 people signed that petition despite it not getting much much publicity. That says something.

[dragon813gt]

Maybe, maybe not. The alternative is to do nothing like we have for almost a century. That's sure to start a movement and get that law repealed. :rolleyes:

This petition will make our voices heard. At the very least it will require the white house to respond. 90,000 people signed that petition despite it not getting much much publicity. That says something.

Petitions are a waste of time. You should be contacting your representatives. That's how you make your voice heard. People like petitions because it takes no effort to sign. Drafting a letter takes some thought. I drafted mine years ago and send it at the beginning of every legislative session.

If it's gets 100,000 signatures the response you receive will be underwhelming. It will simply be; "thanks, we hear you".

[Geezer in NH]

I consider that to be a good problem to have. ;)



Maybe, maybe not. The alternative is to do nothing like we have for almost a century. That's sure to start a movement and get that law repealed. :rolleyes:

This petition will make our voices heard. At the very least it will require the white house to respond. 90,000 people signed that petition despite it not getting much much publicity. That says something.
Open a couple of the leftist petitions 90K will make you sad.

[Lloyd Smale]

Maybe we should take this one step at a time. Throwing all the gun laws in the waste basket in one swoop will incite the liberals to riot and put there full effort into stopping it. I think it would be better done in small doses. First lets get silencer laws changed. there the dumbest laws on the book. then maybe short barreled guns. Once we have those victorys and they cant be taken back then go for the full auto thing. Bottom line is most of us cant afford the 3k or more it takes to buy one anyway. Maybe if the law was repealed wed see some full auto lowers being made we could afford but bottom line is full auto to me isn't near the issue the other two are. First one we should be going after is gun registration. Some will claim there state doesn't have it but bottom line is if you had to sign your signature when you bought a gun theres somewhere proof you bought it that our government can aquire. Another thing that needs to happen first is the doing away with ccw licenses. Its our constitutional right to carry a gun. We shouldn't have to pay to get that privilege. While were at it take away states rights to overrule federal laws. Some states like Michigan don't allow short barreled rifles even with a batf stamp some states don't allow suppressors. If its the federal law it should trump the opinion of the politicians in a state. these laws should be either consistent or gone. Some states allow ccw with no permit or paper work, some like mine require schooling and a payment. Some just a payment and some don't allow it at all. Our Federal constitution gives us these rights and states have no business changing the laws.

[Smoke4320]

The only reason full auto are so expensive is private citizens can not purchase a new one
Legally registered Pre 68 for imports and pre 86 for US made
Change that to any FA made anytime and prices would fall to near or at regular gun prices

[OutHuntn84]

The only reason full auto are so expensive is private citizens can not purchase a new one
Legally registered Pre 68 for imports and pre 86 for US made
Change that to any FA made anytime and prices would fall to near or at regular gun prices

Youre absolutely right on that and there's a petition going around for that too. I signed it on day 3 of Trumps presidency. Hopefully he sees all these various requests for reform and latches onto a few of them. Beats doing nothing any day

[Edward]

Petition is a waste of time IMHO
Not signing is agreeing with a law that does not have any basis in fact ,therefore illegal made up to control a God given right (see the second amendment)! I signed as it is the only form of protest legal currently in my socialistic state of sheep😤

[GhostHawk]

Silencers, the 922r please so we do not have to count the number of "evil" parts on our guns.

Then take stock. I would also be interested in hearing what the NRA has to say on the subject.

Not that I always agree with them or the way they do business. But I do respect them.

[WILCO]

Not signing is agreeing with a law that does not have any basis in fact ,therefore illegal made up to control a God given right (see the second amendment)! I signed as it is the only form of protest legal currently in my socialistic state of sheep

The concept of online petitions is misleading and a distraction. The process offers no venue that supersedes U.S. Constitutional law. Signing it only creates the false notion of participation.
Citizens of moral character, who have the spiritual strength to follow the law, as written are the only ones who can affect change, whilst participating in the government.

[dragon813gt]

Lloyd is correct. We have to use the same tactics that have given us the current laws we have. We need to attack them piecemeal. Do away w/ one provision at a time. Going whole hog is a sure way to fail and possibly make things worse. The hearing protection act is a good start. Then do away w/ the import bans. And from there go after the rest. A petition is not going to cause any of this to happen.

[Plate plinker]

The only reason full auto are so expensive is private citizens can not purchase a new one
Legally registered Pre 68 for imports and pre 86 for US made
Change that to any FA made anytime and prices would fall to near or at regular gun prices


This would be a great start open the books to more firearms in doses of 25,000 new guns per year or something. Other wise the people who paid big money will whine about it. Or better yet let them claim a loss on their taxes against the price change.

[MUSTANG]

Lloyd is correct. We have to use the same tactics that have given us the current laws we have. We need to attack them piecemeal. Do away w/ one provision at a time. Going whole hog is a sure way to fail and possibly make things worse. The hearing protection act is a good start. Then do away w/ the import bans. And from there go after the rest. A petition is not going to cause any of this to happen.


A petition will not cause the Congress or the President Trump administration to take action. Yet, the petition has value for it allows those who think they are the lone voice in the Bad Dark Night to see a glimmer that there are many others out there with the same feeling; most who do not vocalize the desire to repeal Firearms Laws because of the disparaging comments they will receive; even from within the Firearms community.

I began advocating for the repeal of the 1968 and 1934 Gun control acts back in the early 1970's, simply accepted that I was the vocal outlier. Now I am heartened by the ever increasing numbers who are becoming vocal; I am particularly heartened by the number of younger US Citizens not willing to accept the status-quo on "Gun Laws".

[Walla2]

Lloyd is correct. We have to use the same tactics that have given us the current laws we have. We need to attack them piecemeal. Do away w/ one provision at a time. Going whole hog is a sure way to fail and possibly make things worse. The hearing protection act is a good start. Then do away w/ the import bans. And from there go after the rest. A petition is not going to cause any of this to happen.

I agree. Learn from the history of how we got here. Take one small bite, wait for the ruckus to calm down, then take the next small bite. One day we will have the whole enchilada swallowed (I hope I live long enough).

[historicfirearms]

One small bite is the progressive way. Republicans control all three branches of government right now. Why not just have them overturn the NFA whole hog? Now would be the time to do it. The libs would have a fit but what could they do about it? Any relaxation of gun laws would be fought tooth and nail by them, its better to just rip the band aid off and get it over with.

[abunaitoo]

If it is repealed, do states have to fallow????
I live in one of the most anti-gun states in the union.

[Lloyd Smale]

you think the republicans have free reign to do anything right now??? If so why did trumps immigration ban get shut down in days. If he did a blanket trashing of all the gun regulations right now id bet hed would be impeached in 6 months. I really don't see what he would have to gain from it that would offset then flack he would face trying to do it. He can only do so much and even his little changes are being fought tooth and nail by the liberals. Me id be happy with ANY progress on gun control even if its small.
One small bite is the progressive way. Republicans control all three branches of government right now. Why not just have them overturn the NFA whole hog? Now would be the time to do it. The libs would have a fit but what could they do about it? Any relaxation of gun laws would be fought tooth and nail by them, its better to just rip the band aid off and get it over with.

[6bg6ga]

I'd be happy with ANY changes made. I'd be really happy if I could simply pay a $200 Tax to any local gun dealer and be able to either purchase a built silencer or make my own. I'd also be really happy to pay a $200 fee to convert my semi automatic rifles to full auto and again pay the $200 to my local gun dealer. It would be a win win for us. They get their $200 per gun and we get what we want. The leftest anti gun cupcakes will naturally come out stating it will increase gun violence. I have a solution for that.....increased penalties for ANY crime commited with a surpressed and or fully automatic rifle.

[GhostHawk]

"increased penalties for ANY crime commited with a surpressed and or fully automatic rifle."

This, in spades.

This is the answer. You and I both know that law abiding solid citizens who love guns are very very rarely the problem.

So being caught with any firearm after loosing your rights should be an automatic slam dunk 10 years. Period.

Committing any felony with any weapon should double your time.

Doing so with a concealed firearm should triple it.

If anyone was harmed double it again.
If killed double it again.
Take the worst offenders and get them off the streets and keep them off the streets.

Then start doing monthly sweeps of problem area's like Detroit and Chicago.
Looking specifically for guns, drugs, parole violations.

This could be cleaned up. It just takes the will to do so.
And a little backbone.

Or we could do like Mexico does and export our prisoners. Let em do their time in a Mexian prison, see how many come back.

[Plate plinker]

"increased penalties for ANY crime commited with a surpressed and or fully automatic rifle."

This, in spades.

This is the answer. You and I both know that law abiding solid citizens who love guns are very very rarely the problem.

So being caught with any firearm after loosing your rights should be an automatic slam dunk 10 years. Period.

Committing any felony with any weapon should double your time.

Doing so with a concealed firearm should triple it.

If anyone was harmed double it again.
If killed double it again.
Take the worst offenders and get them off the streets and keep them off the streets.

Then start doing monthly sweeps of problem area's like Detroit and Chicago.
Looking specifically for guns, drugs, parole violations.

This could be cleaned up. It just takes the will to do so.
And a little backbone.

Or we could do like Mexico does and export our prisoners. Let em do their time in a Mexian prison, see how many come back.

We do not need this, what we need is to quit letting people out of prison after they serve 5% of the sentence. When I was a kid the neighbors brother Paul killed his girlfriend with a muzzleloader. He was out after something like 5 years. Give me a break. Claimed it was manslaughter by negligence, but truth was he killed her out right. The man had a temper and had been picked up more than once before this. Even as a youth I knew what went down was wrong.

[historicfirearms]

you think the republicans have free reign to do anything right now??? If so why did trumps immigration ban get shut down in days. If he did a blanket trashing of all the gun regulations right now id bet hed would be impeached in 6 months. I really don't see what he would have to gain from it that would offset then flack he would face trying to do it. He can only do so much and even his little changes are being fought tooth and nail by the liberals. Me id be happy with ANY progress on gun control even if its small.

What I was trying to say is that congress and the president need to pass a law to repeal gun regulations. Do it legally, not just a meaningless executive order, and they could make headway. If they did it that way, why not just repeal all the BS and get back to what the constitution says? Impeachment could not happen even if the Dems really wanted it.

I actually have no delisions that this would ever happen under the current congress or presidential administration. I would love to be proven wrong however. There are just too many liberals in disguise within the republican party. Just look at Obama care, they've got major public support to repeal it and have had years to plan it out but now that they have full control, nothing is going to happen now for at least a year from what I have heard.