Need help with old SAECO top punch numbering

[Andy]

I am looking for help identifying some new old stock SAECO lubesizer top punches that I got in recently. I will be listing them for sale here once I have them Identified properly and would like to be able to point anyone interested to a reference that shows them which molds these would work with. As a thank you if you can point me to a nice chart or some solid info on these numbers I will give you a discount on your next order with me.

These were all factory sealed in individual plastic bags (looks like 70's or 80's era to me, before redding bought them out) with a tiny handwritten card saying the number of the top punch inside the bag. They are threaded normal looking hex shape saeco top punches, but do not have the numbers stamped on the punch (hence the card in the bag).

The hangup is they all have 1, 2 or 3 digit numbers, and do not appear to correlate to the modern redding top punch chart which uses 5 digits.

Here's a link to the current redding charts: http://www.redding-reloading.com/online-catalog/88-bullet-moulds-charts

Here are the numbers of the top punches I have if that sheds any light on it to you:
1A
1E
1C
48
48 Cramer
68
115
130
219
301
302
321
374
382
383
384
385
411
441
451
456

A few of these line up with lyman top punch numbers, a few with very popular H&G mold numbers, and a few with RCBS numbers. Are these just SAECO top punches meant to fit other maker's more common molds?

Looking to be sure of what I have so I don't sell something as the wrong item, so any info anyone can provide would be appreciated. Nothing is for sale yet, I'll post to S&S when it is.

Thanks,
Andy

[Andy]

There was also a punch marked 050 or 650, hard to make out the number.

Any thoughts on these from anyone?

[rwadley]

Those correspond to Cramer or old Saeco mould numbers. They may also fit some h&g moulds.

[Andy]

RWadley: thanks for the tip, based on what you said I was able to find info on nearly all of them. Posting that here in case it helps anyone else in the future. It looks like 1A through 48 line up with Cramer numbers and the rest line up with saeco or H&G. As a thanks please take $10 off your next order of $30 or more from me. I didn't think to check Cramer and all the low numbers were Cramers so that threw off my search.

1A: Cramer 458-425 45-70
1E: unknown
1C: Cramer 458-290 45-70
48 & 48 Cramer: Cramer 311-160 30-30
68: H&G famous 200gr SWC 45 ACP
115: H&G 125gr RN 9mm
130: H&G 185gr SWC
219: H&G 148gr WC
301: for Saeco 62301 .309 196gr truncated cone
302: For Saeco 62302 .309 120gr round nose
321: for saeco 62321 .313 95gr round nose
374: unknown (similar to h&g 68)
382: for saeco 62382 .358 158gr SWC
383: for saeco 62383 9mm 140gr swc
384: for saeco 62384 9mm 122gr RN
385: unknown
411: for older Saeco 411 mold: hard to find info on but sounds like it's for a .411 230gr keith-type SWC
441: for saeco 62441 44 240gr SWC
451: unknown
456: for saeco 62456 225gr 45 acp round nose

[rwadley]

Thanks. #451 is a Saeco mould similar to Lyman 452460

[Andy]

Thanks again, I uploaded my listing with that info and sent you a corrected PM with your discount applied to your order. I appreciate your help and appreciate you buying some of them from me.

[Andy]

edit: accidental post