Finn Mosin parts needed

[30calflash]

Hello, does anyone know where front sight blades for a M-27 can be found? I fired mine yesterday and it's shooting about 12 MOA too high at 100/200 yards with the rear sight bottomed out. This with Combloc light ball.

Also would like some some arsenal Mosin stripper clips, not the Chinese ones in the white or Finnish copies.

If you have something let me know.

Thanks, 30CF

[WILCO]

Basic modification:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLy7-PJ72uc

[tomme boy]

m27 has a blade type front sight. Not the post like on a Russian.

[LAGS]

I have a M27 Front and rear sight that I would be willing to part with.
But it will not fit the barrels on most Mosins ,because of the heavier barrel with a step for the front sight.
Same for the rear sight.
I sporterized one of my M27's and made a side mounted scope mount and left the other one in original condition.

[LAGS]

Now this may sound Stupid or a Bubba fix, but it will tell you what you need to know.
Take a 3/32" peice if Brass rod 3/8" long and crazy glue it to the top of your front blade.
Then fire a few rounds and see if the extra height brings your shots down where you need them.
Then if you decide that that is the Height you need, Or if drops your group too much.
Then you can pull the brass rod off, and Solder a brass rod to your front blade to increase the height for a more permanant fix.
If the 3/32" is too tall and your groups end up too low, you just file down the top of the brass rod a little at a time , untill you match your Sight elevation to your group at 100 yards or 200 yards, or should I say Meters to match your sight markings as intended.
Even with the brass rod on the angle following your front Blade angle, it can be made to look and work like a Brass bead on your front sight.
Or you can just paint it black.

[30calflash]

LAGS, thanks for the info. I started to think about adding to the height.

I didn't notice it before as I've been using an M39 more often. The top of the blade is in the white and there's some minor rub marks inside the front sight ears where it apparently rubbed whilst doing the deed.

If you want to pm me on the cost of the sights you have, please do so.

Tx, 30CF.

[Der Gebirgsjager]

LAGS--nice looking bolt job!

[LAGS]

THank you.
The bolt handle is my own design and is actually on that one only Pinned and silver soldered to the bolt lug.
Sort of like the ATI replacement bolt handles that drill and tap on.
But I did this one 10 years before ATI put theirs on the market.
I made that one out of a piece of flat 1/4" steel plate , cut to shape, Heated and bent to the Up swoop, then pinned and soldered to the bolt, after the bolt handle was cut off and lug filed Flat , then hand shaping with a file before polishing by hand.
The scope Mount is also made by hand out of a piece of angle iron, that was cut and hand shaped.

BTW
The stock is the original M27 stock.
You can see where I made flats on the stock, then glued wood to the original stock, so I could reshape it into a more Sporting Rifle design

[LAGS]

30Calflash
Let me look into a Fair price for these sights and get back to you.
But right now I am using the Rear Sight base to make a L.E.R Scope mount base that will replace the Rear Sight Leaf on my other M-27.
It is so much easier to do the fitting on a loose sight base then on the sight base on the rifle.
They dont make a LER scope mount for this model of rifle, so like everything else, I just make my own.
Why Buy, When you can build.
But in the mean time, try adding height to your front blade, and see how tall you have to go.
Then let me know, and I can measure the Blade I have, and see if it will be the height you will eventually need.

[RugerFan]

A simple non-maring fix.....

https://s20.postimg.org/m4r7hxfpp/Tall_sight.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/eorxw4s09/)

[LAGS]

Thanks RugerFan.
That is a great little trick, and I am sure I will use it on other rifles like my Mausers.
But, Unfortunatly, this will not work for the M-27 the OP has.
The front sight has wings that cant be removed and are part of the adjuster for windage for the front sight for that M 27

[30calflash]

A simple non-maring fix.....

https://s20.postimg.org/m4r7hxfpp/Tall_sight.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/eorxw4s09/)


Pretty neat! Can have a couple in the gear box for a fix on the range.

LAGS, I'll try a temp fix, could still be interested in the front blade as mentioned.

Thanks all, 30CF.

[tomme boy]

Run a bead of hot glue on the blade and use a marker to paint it black. Or use some epoxy to do the same thing. Then files the sides and top.

[LAGS]

Gluing a brass rod on with Crazy glue works really good
Heck, I glue front Ramps on rifles to try them at the range before I decide that they are aligned to my liking before drilling and tapping the barrel or silver soldering them on.
I like my sights set Dead Center of the adjustment on the sights for a given range, Especially right to left.
Same thing on Scopes.
Both Crosshairs set to Dead Center of the tube, and the rifle hitting center of target at 200 yards.
I am just picky that way, But then I do my own work, so time is all that it costs me.

[LAGS]

@ 30 calflash
I looked at the front sight blades on both my M 27's
One is stamped in the top of the blade 7.2 and the other is 6.2
The 7.2 one measures .620 from the bottom of the sight blade to the point on the sight blade.
The one marked 6.2 measures .580 fron the bottom of the blade mounting lug to the top of the point on the Sight blade.
Take your front sight blade out of the base, and measure its overall height and see where you are at.
See if your blade is really filed down.

[30calflash]

Thanks for the info, I'll check it out.

I've seen the sight markings on the M39, wasn't sure what heights were out there.

[LAGS]

I did some more checking.
The 6.2 and 7.2 markings are in Milimeters.
And if converted to inches, it corrisponds to the blade height from the top of the bead or blade to the bottom of the blade where it hits the front sight base.
you just multiply the MM by .03937 to convert it to inches.

With a 24" distance between the front and rear sights, you need to Add .0800" to your front blade to make the bullet hit 12" lower.
3/32" is .0938"
So the 3/32" is almost perfect and gives you room to do some filing if needed.

[Remiel]

Hello, does anyone know where front sight blades for a M-27 can be found? I fired mine yesterday and it's shooting about 12 MOA too high at 100/200 yards with the rear sight bottomed out. This with Combloc light ball.

Also would like some some arsenal Mosin stripper clips, not the Chinese ones in the white or Finnish copies.

If you have something let me know.

Thanks, 30CF

Look up Vic on gunboards, he has a for sale tread for various Finnish Mosin parts

[30calflash]

Thanks Remiel, I may have a fix.

[Dutchman]

This guy in Finland sells on ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/vpt777/m.html?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEFSXS%3AMESOI&_trksid=p2053788.m1543.l2654

[30calflash]

Thank you sir.

[LAGS]

There is another option for you.
I dont know your Skill Level , so please take no offense.
You can Make your own front sight blade with minimum tools and skills.
You can make the post that fits your front sight base, out of a piece of flat steel with the proper sized hole drilled in it, and file off the dovetail on something like a Williams or Marbles sight, then solder the Base Post you made to the flat bottom of the replacement sight.
Just a thought.
See, I wasnt always Rich, nor could I get the parts I needed at any price.
So , I tought myself the skills needed to do what I want to.

[30calflash]

LAGS thanks for the DIY option, it could be that.

The thought was that possibly an M39 sight may be the same. I've one that needs a fair amount of elevation to be on at 100, so maybe it can be swapped with the M27 fr suight blade.

I'll see about getting them apart over the weekend to see if it's possible, will report the results here.

[LAGS]

@ 30 cf
You are welcome .
I try to come up with Options for others to try.
Many of my Otions were used while I was waiting to find the Correct part I needed.
They worked well, and in some cases, became the Final Option when the right part couldn't be found.
But Keep in mind when making a Replacement part.
Make and modify the Part you need, and not the part that it attaches to, like in your case The Front Sight Base.
That insures that "If" and when you find the correct part, it will still fit and function.
The M-39 sight Will fit your rifle.
It is only a question if you can find an unmodified M-39 front Sight Blade the height ( or taller ) than what you need.

[Oldeyes]

The Finn blade sight is the same on their M27, 28, 91, and the 91/30 with the stacked sight assy. The M39 front sight will not work because it is designed to move sideways w/screw adjusters and is not dovetailed. The blade height is adjusted by carving a notch out of the back side, leaving the lower front part of the blade. This maintains the original profile.... If you are not aware of it the M27 blade is mounted on a dovetailed plate, remove the tiny set screw and drift the plate out the front (IIRC), then drift the blade sideways off the mounting plate.

Here is a possible source of front blades, however they are out of the tallest. However you can keep your eyes on ebay and look for a front sight without the notch in the rear. Or build your blade up w/ JB weld as mentioned earlier. Good luck!

https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=624&idcategory=17

[LAGS]

I dont mean to say you are wrong, but the M-27 s the M-28 and M-39 that I have or had in the past, all had the same front sight.
The 91 has a dovetailed blade in a fixed base with no hood.
The 91/ 30 has a Post inside a Ringed hood similar to the M-44, M-53 that are much larger.
But the Two M-27s that I currently own, have this type of sights
My M-10 and M-38 had the sight like the 1891

[Oldeyes]

Your pics show a M39 sight, take a closer look at your M27s and notice that they do not have the windage adjusting screws in the sight base.....unless they have been changed out on this side of the pond.
Yes, the profile of the sight blades is the same but they mount differently. The M39 and the M28-30 are the only Mosins that do not use a dovetail.
We have a local milsurp benchrest match, so I have been doing sight mods for many years to achieve a 100 yard zero, plus I've been collecting these beasts for 15 years and have accumulated a pile of 'em...

[LAGS]

[SIZE=4]


The front sight base in the pictures does have the windage adjustment screws and the locking screw for the blade.
When I bought these two rifles , they had about 100 of them , all with the same sights.
My m-38 had a unhooded blade , yet my friends made the same year had the 91/30 front sight.
That just goes to show that there is inconsistency in production and lots of parts upgraded or swapped out when the rifles were ReArmored.and even re serial numbered.
IE:
My Barrels are the contour of the M-39 but they are made in 1934 and 35 with the M-39 style sights front and rear, Both are Sako barrels.
But the stocks are M-27 stocks, and originally numbered to match the action and barrel.
From what I have seen so far, the M-27 rear sight wont fit the barrel I have.

[30calflash]

Oldeyes thanks for the info.

There can be a lot of variation in Finnish rifles especially the sights. Quite often they would use the Russian sights without mods on a rebuild. Why make new or use up remaining stock when this will work? I believe that was a big factor in some cases. War time expedient me thinks.

Others they struck out the 'Arshin' distance settings and re stamped in meters on the opposite side of the rear sight base.

I've a Finn 91-30 with the stacked front sight blade and another with Russian 91-30 sights front and rear.

The M27 and 39's, in their own form, have been uniform in sight configuration that I've seen, other than front blade height.

[LAGS]

@ 30 CF
Do the sights that I showed match the sights on your M-27 rifle ?

[Oldeyes]

Hey LAGS, based on your description of your rifles having Sako barrels and dates of 1934 and 1935, and using the M39 type sights, they should be M28-30s. Do they also have an Sk.Y stamp on the barrel? The early M28-30s were built with recycled M91 stocks, and during later refurbs could have ended up in M27 stocks.
The M28-30 rear sight was almost identical to the M39, only difference was the leaf did not have the "1.5" range marking on the bottom; this is covered up by the slider in your pic. The rear sight base did not have the range number 2 on the left side. Front sights were the same. It sounds like you may have a pair of 28-30s, the most accurate Finn out there!

[LAGS]

@ oldeyes
I purchaced these rifles and they were Tagged as Finnish M-27's and the barrel is stamped as Sako, a "D" and the year 1934, and the SKY and I looked no further.
The rear sight does have a 2 on the left side but the Slide is not marked with a 1.5 elevation mark.
But you prompted me to investagate a little further.
The one that is in original form is importer stamped behind the rear sight.
It says M28 Finnland.
I had never even cleaned this one since I bought it from Federal Ordnance, El Monte Calif. that became Brickley trading Co.
I lived and worked not to far from them back in the 1980's and bought lots of rifles and parts from them.
It is still packed in Grease not cosmoline
The other one made in 1935, was sporterized soon after I bought it, and it is also a Sako Barrel but no "D" and it to is stamped SKY with the date of 1935.
And this one with the home made side mount Scope, Is the most accurate of all my Military Based rifles, either sporterized or in the original form.
I remember when I bought these two, because I had to pay $119.00 each for them , and the regular Finn 91's were going for $79.00 and the Russian 91's were $59.00

[30calflash]

Hi, sorry for the late reply.

LAGS I've seen the pic but can't find it right now. I do recall a hole in the lower part of the sight under the base.

The M28's weren't too much different than an M27, barrel manufacturer and civil guard markings IIRC. Nose cap also. Some of the M27's had a reinforced bayonet lug, looked like popsicle sticks welded to the base and a bolt running thru it and the stock forend. Some 27's did not have this feature as it was a later mod. Saw an M28 with the wood altered for the nose cap reinforcement but no hole drilled thru it, was built or rearsenaled with an M27 stock. You see a lot of different things with Finn M-N's!

I've been running this past week and haven't looked at the 27 so this weekend I'll break it out and look closer. Can't do pics yet but may be able to get someone else to do so next week.