Small PP 45acp loads/brass

[randyrat]

I have a 100 or so of the small pistol primer brass in the 45acp Cal..do these work with your average 45 acp target loads?
I would just as soon give them away or use them once and leave em at the range.

[Panman213]

I found no difference using small primers in 45acp. Only thing I found is now you must separate brass.

[wddodge]

I use the same powder charge with the sp case as the lp case. Same accuracy, cycles the action the same, spent cases land the same general area. My only problem is occasionally I miss one when sorting. Then the press finds it for me.

Denny

[375RUGER]

I give mine away to a kid that needs it. so now he has LP and SP. We found no difference, same powder charge just keeps the brass separate.

[thpre64]

i found about 20 of the small primers in the last batch of once fired that i purchased from gateway
and was wondering what the reason for the small primer was in the 45 acp?

[Loudy13]

I use a couple thousand of the SP brass each year and I have not changed the load from LP/SP and haven't noticed a difference. I have found that most folks like to get rid of it cheaper...win win

[runfiverun]

they are for the new NT or winclean primers that contain no lead.
they couldn't get them to work as a large primer.

no worries, if the small pistol primer had existed when the 45 acp was invented they would have used them.
but they didn't so they didn't.

[Outpost75]

Small pistol magnum primer in the SPP .45 ACP case gives same velocity as standard large pistol primer in the LPP case.

Standard small pistol primers will also work fine, but with light target loads such as H&G 68 200-SWC in the .45 ACP using Bullseye powder you can expect 40-50 fps lower velocity unless you increase the charge 0.2-0.3 grains to compensate for the small primer.

I load 4.5 grains of Bullseye with the H&G 68 with small primer for 50 yards and 4.2 grains for large primer. Either load will shoot 2," ten-shot machine rest groups at 50 yards from a Clark long-slide wadcutter gun.

[Texas by God]

I get rid of them if I end up with any. The ones I had were Speer Lawman that were on sale(loaded ammo). Silliness. Best, Thomas.

[FullTang]

Small pistol magnum primer in the SPP .45 ACP case gives same velocity as standard large pistol primer in the LPP case.

Standard small pistol primers will also work fine, but with light target loads such as H&G 68 200-SWC in the .45 ACP using Bullseye powder you can expect 40-50 fps lower velocity unless you increase the charge 0.2-0.3 grains to compensate for the small primer.

I load 4.5 grains of Bullseye with the H&G 68 with small primer for 50 yards and 4.2 grains for large primer. Either load will shoot 2," ten-shot machine rest groups at 50 yards from a Clark long-slide wadcutter gun.

Exactly what I've found---use a magnum small pistol primer and you'll get the same velocity as you would when using LPP recipes. Regular SPP gives slightly less velocity vs. LPP, all other factors being equal. It's not a huge difference, but enough to notice on the Chrony.

[B. Lumpkin]

I've used a boatload of small rifle primers with the SPP 45 acp brass. I really like to keep 500 to 1,000 pieces on hand as it gives you options.

[randyrat]

Nice! this is the info i was looking for..I can load these up and use them in the snow, where I know they will be lost until spring or forever

[jeepyj]

That's all I use in my 625. Only reason is I don't have to swap priming rigging in the Dillon to swap from 38 caliber. Both LP & SP shoot pretty close to the same as far as I'm concerned.
jeepyj

[scattershot]

I use them interchangeably, but as others have stated, you have to keep them segregated. Trying to,stuff a large pistol primer into a small primer pocket is frustrating, to say the least. If you are going to re-use these, just mark the case head in some fashion so you can readily identify them.

[BNE]

they are for the new NT or winclean primers that contain no lead.
they couldn't get them to work as a large primer.

no worries, if the small pistol primer had existed when the 45 acp was invented they would have used them.
but they didn't so they didn't.

Another interesting thing about this brass is I have found that they are very clean on the inside. I can sometimes pick them out of a pile of brass just due to the insides being cleaner. (First time through. I do not think they will be cleaner when I use a regular primer on them. -I am just collecting and separating them out now.)

[Ed_Shot]

Exactly what I've found---use a magnum small pistol primer and you'll get the same velocity as you would when using LPP recipes. Regular SPP gives slightly less velocity vs. LPP, all other factors being equal. It's not a huge difference, but enough to notice on the Chrony.

My experience also. I used small pistol magnum primers because there were no large pistol primers or standard small pistol primers to be had anywhere.....and that was not that long ago. I keep the the 45 ACP SPP brass that I find.

[dragon813gt]

they are for the new NT or winclean primers that contain no lead.
they couldn't get them to work as a large primer.

no worries, if the small pistol primer had existed when the 45 acp was invented they would have used them.
but they didn't so they didn't.

Not necessarily. The NT brass is marked as such. And may or may not have a larger flash hole. I say that because I can't remember which brand and cartridges have the larger flash hole.

The SPP brass works the same. I had gotten rid of all my LPP brass at one point and standardized w/ the SPP. Then I made the mistake of buying new Staline brass. At least I have a 10mm now so I don't have to stock primers for a single cartridge.

SD/ES have gone down for me w/ the SPP brass. I know others have found the same thing. I found no difference on target.

[saleen322]

I use the small primer cases for my match loads. They showed better accuracy at 50 yards in testing

[Soundguy]

I found no difference using small primers in 45acp. Only thing I found is now you must separate brass.

Same here.. they shoot just fine for me.

[jmorris]

They are not new, I came across them as far back as 2003 or 2004. Same as the large flash hole brass they make.

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv5/qvideo/gn/IMG_20161205_102941_488-1_zpsnasvskej.jpg

There are more folks making SPP 45 cases now though, so they will only become more common.

A few years ago I finally built a device that would cull them out as I load 45.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V7vSEAqkZw

[Soundguy]

I wouldn't be surprised if SPP 45acp became the standard eventually.

[w5pv]

I use the small primer 45 acp to shoot in my revolver acp rounds.This way I know where they were used and don't have to sort them out.As far as performance goes I see no difference in the large primer and small primer.

[jmorris]

I use the small primer 45 acp to shoot in my revolver acp rounds.

I did this too until I found out that 45 gap brass doesn't require tools to moon/demoon.

[randyrat]

jmorris (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/member.php?3585-jmorris)


That is very cool..Separate small SPPockets from LargePPs automatically

[jeepyj]

I agree with randyrat, Jmorris that is awesome!

[randyrat]

Just a thought,
Save these for emergency ,as stated before here, for hard times if LPP are no where to be found.

[Soundguy]

you can also save them as fire and forget too. ( like steel cased stuff.. etc.. )