9mm Rimmed Cartridge for Nagant Revolver

[Polar_Hunter]

A bit of R&D ,,,,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQVWcTdX_Lc

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Very interesting. Certainly a worthwhile project, to get that fine old revolver shooting. Hope to see a final report on using the .41 Mag. brass.

[Artful]

Interesting - what did the measurements of the bore and cylinder throats show?

[Dutchman]

https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/9mm-nagant-or-9-4mm-nagant/22377

[Polar_Hunter]

Interesting - what did the measurements of the bore and cylinder throats show?

Measurements before and after fire forming the cases confirm the research,,, the correct bullet dia is 9.38 mm (.369") . The original round was paper patched. I have patched some .356 this morning and will check them for size when they dry.

[Polar_Hunter]

http://s6d4.turboimg.net/t/32194766_100_2561.jpg (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/32194766/100_2561.jpg.html)

[Artful]

https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/9mm-nagant-or-9-4mm-nagant/22377

Oh, good find


Here is some basic information from Handbuch der Pistolen und Revolver Patronen, Vol. 1, Erlmeier & Brandt, 1967, page 136:
Technical Data-
Bullet dia. 9.25 – 9.30mm (.364 - .374”). Round nose lead bullet with paper patch.
Case diameters, Neck: 9.90 – 10.20mm (.389 - .401”), Head: 10.75 – 10.90mm (.423 - .429”), Rim: 12.00 – 12.35mm (.472 - .486”)
Berdan primer
Cartridge length 33.30 – 34.50mm (1.311 – 1.358”)
Cartridge weight 11.95 – 12.30gm (184.41 - 189.81 grains)
Production ceased around 1914.
Another source indicates production occurred in Belgium and Germany.
and
According to the Erlmeier & Brandt book the bullet weight is 11.95-12.3 g. If you want a detailed factory drawing of the 9 mm Nagant cartridge, I suggest the ECRA CALIBER DATA VIEWER. Here you can see drawing no.10154, dated January 1919 from S.F.M. in France. The paper patched bullet here is 12-12.3 g, length 20.0 mm, diameter 9.05-9.15 mm without patch and 9.35-9.45 mm with paper patch. There is also another drawing from S.F.M., 10080 dated Dec.1900, which shows a slightly different case, but fewer details.

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[Polar_Hunter]

Success with the 41 mag brass,,, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKGa5zJfmvs

[RetE8USN]

Some really great information! CH4D has (had) the 9mm Negant revolver dies set. I just ordered mine today. I am going to start with the .41 Mag case and see what I need to do to get the cartridge to proper dimensions. Also waiting on the pistol, the Nagant double barrel rolling block, to arrive so I can chamber cast the breech and bore. Once I get this all done. I'll post my results and pictures of the finished ctg.

[mazo kid]

Lee also has the die set, but not sure they would do for forming the brass. Mine work well for reloading.

[mazo kid]

Fiocchi and PPU are both making ammo for the Nagant revolver. May also be others. Someone on another thread said there were no current makers. I bought several boxes a few years ago.

[17nut]

Fiocchi and PPU are both making ammo for the Nagant revolver. May also be others. Someone on another thread said there were no current makers. I bought several boxes a few years ago.

And you're absolutely sure it's the 9mm cartridge and not 7,5mm Swedish/Swiss or 7,62x38R Russian Nagant?

The same goes for the Lee dieset, i'll bet its for the Russian cartridge and not for the 9mm Belgian!

[mazo kid]

Aaah, no. It is for the Russian gun. My mistake.