New president equals powder availability

[hanleyfan]

I wonder how long is it going to take powder and primers and other gun related items to become readily available at reasonable prices? There are still some powders that not readily available and when they are they go for silly prices. I hope when the new gun friendly administration takes over things will return to normal.

[Hickory]

I missed the last two panic buying, might be a good time for me to catch up.

[6bg6ga]

I think its a question of supply and demand.

[54bore]

I think its a question of supply and demand.

Agree, i think things will calm down, stil gonna take awhile, but i think it will happen

[dverna]

I doubt prices will drop much. It would be great if it did.

I think supply will improve.

My hope is for .22's to get to the $25/brick, or less, point. That is far more important because it allows those who do not reload to get their kids shooting.

Don Verna

[imashooter2]

It's become self perpetuating. A guy sees a powder on the shelf he hasn't seen in a year or two and buys as much as he can afford then calls all his friends and they buy anything that's left.

"I'm not gonna get caught again" will keep the shelves bare for a long time.

[Plate plinker]

Not so sure many people have short memories.

[Blackwater]

I suspect it's going to take more than just a new president. More people have suddenly become aware that shooting is a very good skill to have and learn, and that having a "good supply" of ammo or components on hand is a wise decision. So demand has just exploded, and the factories are turning out all they CAN right now. In addition, a couple of mfg. plants blew up. So .... I suspect it's going to take building more facilities TO manufacture MORE stuff, and THAT is gonna' take some VERY bold moves in the political realm, AND the mfgr's are gonna' have to decide whether this huge demand is going to last long enough to PAY for those constructions and new equipment. Can they trust the politics past the next 4 years to let them ammortize their investments? HA! What a trick question for them to face! Without a crystal ball, there's NO WAY to know the answer to that, and that kind of huge investment really can't be made without some very strong assurances that the NEXT admin. won't throw them into bankruptcy, and eliminate all we already HAVE in the process.

The folks that manufacture our beloved shooting components aren't and can't be fools, and can't just engage in huge building projects just on a whim! They have to have real and very strong assurances that they can survive long enough to pay for it all to be constructed. And therein lies the dilema for both them and us.

I see many people blaming the mfg's for shortages, and disparaging them for "profit making!" Gee golly wow, guys! What good would it do ANY of us, for them to be daft and do stupid things just because they want folks to say "nice" things about them???? We're all in this together, boys! Let's give our friends who make our stuff a little credit, shall we? They are NOT our friends, and their names don't even rhyme with "Scrooge!" It's a catch as catch can world right now. Get your stuff when and while you can. And hope and pray they can find a way to expand their capability to furnish us with what we want and need. We get a LOT farther and a lot faster when we work TOGETHER than when we tear each other down. I'd have thought that would be more clearly apparent than it seems to be.

[runfiverun]

just before Christmas i seen an add touting 2 pallets of 22lr for 20 bucks a brick come get them.
I'm pretty sure that was a brick of 400.
but that's pretty close to what they were going for in 07 or so.

[LAGS]

It is like anything else.
Once a Manufacture sees that the public is willing to pay higher prices, they will keep asking that price, and control the market to keep the price up there.

[54bore]

I read a post from a guy that worked at CCI, guys asked him WHERE THE HELL ARE ALL THE .22 SHELLS??? He answered, we are making more now than we ever have and stil cant keep up!
Check your basement!!!

[308Jeff]

I don't see prices ever coming back down, unfortunately. I got into reloading RIGHT before the 2008 election. Was fortunate enough to get in on a local powder and primer group buy. $86.00 a keg for AA2520 and $16/K for primers. Everything is double the price now, and in a tiny span of only 8 years.

Supply isn't that bad right now. I've been able to buy everything I need/want. Prices are just MEH.

[dragon813gt]

Everyone was saying AR prices won't come back down. I don't see the component market ever being as saturated as the AR market. But if product sits on the shelf long enough the prices will come down. I will be happy when I can go to Walmart and buy 22lr. It still isn't available here.

[RogerDat]

As long as people are stockpiling availability is going to be hit or miss but I have seen more assortment of items being available over the last year and a half or so. And .22 rim fire overpriced and sitting ignored on tables at gun shows. Local big box store has a fairly steady supply at $6 or $7 per hundred yet gun shows have it at over $10 per hundred.

I don't think who the president is matters except as it impacts the buying publics attitudes and actions. All it will take is a big incident or two in order to kick buying back into high gear. Maybe if Trump said he would veto any "hasty" regulation that would tone down the panic buying response. Or maybe not.

My hoped for situation is being able to order the assorted powders I want to use in one order. You know two or three popular powders in cost saving 8# jugs all at the same store at the same time, and not at Bass Pro shop prices!

[trapper9260]

For how I see it that in time ,the price will drop alittle , but there is alot of new gun owners now then before 2008 for all that been going on for the past 8 years and alot of the new gun owners dose not know what the price of ammo before that. So they are willing to pay for what is ask.This Pres is the best gun salesmen that we ever seen . I am start to see more 22lr. but the price have not change yet. hope it dose.

[Jeff Michel]

Stopped by the local gun shop last Friday. CCI .22 mini mags 34.00 a brick of 500, the had a pallet of them on the floor, the cases came to my waist. Powder, all of the manufactures and all the types were there at least that I could think of in 1's 4's and eight's Primer's, CCI's 29.00 a thousand with all other brands were represented as well. Not 2005 cheap but certainly available across the board.

[Shiloh]

Fleet Farm had .22's at Christmas. A table FULL of them. $20 for a 325 pak. Limit two.

SHiloh

[6bg6ga]

At least the government won't be purchasing millions of rounds to keep them off the street. The 22's are way too expensive. I could see $1.00 a box maybe but the current prices are out of hand. One reason for the lack of mmo and the high ammo cost is the crowd of new shooters out there with their 22's, 38's and 9mm. When I go to a public range I always see new shooters most of which cannot hit the target. Its fun to see the 22's or snub nose 38's that someone purchased for protection.

[Electric88]

I doubt prices will go down all that much. Product would have to sit on the shelf for quite awhile before the prices go back down.

I also wonder if under the new president foreign ammunition (I'm thinking of 7.62x54r) will be allowed back in, and if the prices on that will go down on that. That stuff has doubled in price in the last 4 years.

[Handloader109]

Ive plent of powder to make it to the next president, I'll need primers and I might need some for my 300BO if I decide and can afford to reload for it. Would love a few more 22s, but they're available, just a bit too expensive.

[Shawlerbrook]

I agree with the above that said the supply will get better, but do not see any improvement in prices. Especially as the economy improves and we experience inflation across the board.

[quail4jake]

I'm just thankful that the silent majority has begun to speak and I believe that our capacity to "re take" America is only beginning to show. This movement is pervasive but I'm not sure how much it will effect ammo and component prices, a little due to supply and demand. I just hope that high quality components will continue to be available but at least the real irrational legislation will probably be stopped...EPA ban on lead, ammunition accountability act, making all ammo and components hazmat etc. January 20th starts a new philosophical movement, thank the lord. GLORIA IN EXCELSIOR DEO!

[LeftyDon]

A couple of states have pushed more people into reloading with their idiotic ammo laws. A good part of the North East has ammo purchase restrictions that require a permit or at least no mail order purchasing. California has started a new trend with placing a limit on how much ammo can be purchased in a time period. All of these laws are pushing people to skirt the restrictions, if possible, by getting into reloading.

My state of New York had (has?) a requirement as part of our SAFE Act that ended purchasing ammo other than face-to-face and also required the state police to record all ammo purchases. Since the State police had no way of do this the later part of the law has been suspended (quasi legally) by our idiots in Albany, but not removed from the books.

I hear rumors that some of the morons at the capital are interested in joining CA with ammo limits. Something like 10 rounds/3 months. I wonder how trap or skeet shooters will like the ability to shoot one round of trap/skeet every 9 months?

The only rifle/pistol ammo that is not easily loaded at home is rimfire, as everyone knows, and so there's ongoing pressure to purchase as much as can be found/afforded by the hoarding kind. I have been asked to shoot .22 for competition at our local club, but since a steady supply of the same brand of .22lr's has not been around and switching ammo requires me to adjust the scope on my target rifle to stay on the center, I've found it pointless to attempt to shoot for now. Plus the rimfire price is such that I can reload other ammo for less that the cost to feed the bull barrel .22 beast.

Whether our new leader does anything to improve things for us or not is still up in the air as far as I'm concerned. I hope that he will, but he may be willing to trade favors with the lib's to get something he wants pushed through congress and I do not trust the repub's, in general, any more than I trust the out going bunch.

[Shawlerbrook]

Don, As a fellow NYer we are doomed to live in a state that only has one viable party in charge. As long as NYC leftists run the show here(HRC got 79% of the NYC vote while my small rural Upstate County voted 12,000 Trump; 5000 Clinton) we will only see more anti Second Amendment laws.

[starmac]

I do not see how the president or political party can do anything to ease up availability and or prices directly.
Basically the only thing a president had to do with it was to get us to show our fear everytime something happened that we thought would bring about more gun laws.

As the masses are not afraid of Trump near as bad, there probably will not be as much panic buying and availability will improve. It has already to some extent since so many closets has been filled to overflowing.

[GhostHawk]

I do not think under President Trump we will be seeing any more huge government orders which in the long run will help.

But I do not see the demand for .22lr going down or away anytime soon. In fact I see the reverse. Shooting sports are on the rise, every year more children come of age and want to shoot. .22lr demand is going to keep spiraling up. This is the new normal. Within 2 years we may see them go back to a dime ea for a while. And to me that is still not that expensive.

25 to 35$ for a box of Deer Rifle ammo in .30-30, .308, .30-06 to me is much less palatable. But we don't have to take those prices. We craft our own. With .22lr it is not so easy.

My Advice, clean and oil your .22lr long guns and put them away. Either shoot centerfire that you load, primer, small amount of powder, bit of lead for about the same price as a .22lr round. But with a lot more bang for the buck.

Or, get used to shelling out more cash for those little golden jewels.

Me I have ordered 2k of Federal Champion Auto Match twice in the last year. And I was sitting on a 4k stash to start with. It is like buying gold or silver. If anything happens they are worth 10 times what I paid for them.

If nothing happens they are still a good hedge against inflation.
And it insures that I can shoot as long as I want to shoot.

All you guys waiting for the price to go down, don't hold your breath. This right now is what IS.
You can live in the past if that is what you want. Me I'll live in the now and keep shooting.

And if you do not have one yet, buy and Airgun. Spend at least as much as you would for a quality .22lr. There are many options in the 2-300$ price range. Pcp, Springer, Vortex/gas piston, pumpers.

Me I wanted something that did not come connected to a tank or pump that in a SHTF scenario becomes hard to fill.

Pellets right now are 1.89 cents each. Yeah, like the golden days were for .22lr.

But they are rising. Buy an air gun now, buy a big stock of ammo to feed it. Me I like Crossman Primier Hollow Points. They shoot well in all my air rifles.

Adapt, or die. We know which one the Dinosaurs prefered, what will you do?

[dragon813gt]

You guys are forgetting about the other half of the country. The left is now in the arm themselves and stockpile mode. Considering they are starting w/ a lot less then we had this could make things very tough to come by. Buy all you can when you can. Now is not the time to take your foot off the pedal.

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[shdwlkr]

Well to the two who are still in NY I am sorry you are having such a bad time of it. I escaped 14 years ago when an ex just couldn't seem to get out of my life. I miss upstate where I lived and worked for almost 40 years, but the political climate, meddling ex just took all the fun out of living there.
You will most likely see more negative rules/laws concerning your second amendment rights as long as NYC is part of the state.
A very long time ago you had to sign for 22lr ammo, was really stupid but that was the law back then. I don't remember there being any other restrictions which is why the law was so stupid. I remember this law as I purchased a large amount of 22lr that day and remember having to sign for each box of 22lr that I purchased and my hand was sore when I got done. Restricting ammo purchases will only force people to go out of state and bring back purchases from out of state and hope to not get stopped. Next the state will maybe try to get states close to NY to rat on you if you purchase out of state ammo.

[lawboy]

This Pres is the best gun salesmen that we ever seen.

Correction. The LAST president was the best gun, ammo and component salesman in U.S. history! No contest whatsoever.

[lawboy]

I bought very near a lifetime supply of 22lr back in 2009, and I definitely bought a lifetime supply of .177 and .22 lead pellets. It was not that difficult. I have forgotten how many cases I bought and I don't even shoot 22lr or airguns that much these days, but, anymore, I don't have to even look at the stuff when I go to the store and that alone was worth a few thousand dollars. Right now I am shooting 10 rounds of 22lr once a month at a silhouette match where we shoot cast bullets only in rimfire rifle, centerfire pistol and centerfire rifle. I may shoot rimfire steel challenge this summer, in which case I will be burning up about 300 rounds of .22lr or so per match. My point is ... I don't have one, haha. Buy ammo and components. Life is short. pew, pew!