New Rugers From Lipseys!

[High Desert Hunter]

A 5 shot 3" GP100 in 44 Special and an 8 shot 357 in the Redhawk! I am hearing they will be released in January.

[Beagle333]

I must have the 44 special. :coffeecom

[shoot-n-lead]

i must have the 44 special. :coffeecom

x 2!

[white eagle]

+3...

[376Steyr]

Link, please?

[375supermag]

Hi...
Another drain on my bank account...
So many things on the must buy list...

[chuckbuster]

Wish the GP100 was a .41...

[shoot-n-lead]

Link, please?

http://www.downrange.tv/blog/new-ruger-gp100-in-44-special/38124/

[Beagle333]

https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15541358_10208946283274398_5258575737295714378_n.j pg?oh=3ac6c092a574808eb52ef6bbd595f0a6&oe=58EB0CE0

[patrick_ford]

I love the .44 special. It is a great balance of bullet weight, speed, controllability and most of all class.

[LAH]

I must have the 44 special. :coffeecom

Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. :Fire:

[Dpmsman]

I definitely have to hand it to Ruger they are coming out with some cool stuff. Makes a guy go broke in a hurry!

[Bigslug]

Link on Redhawk?

[mcdaniel.mac]

That 8-shot Redhawk...I may need to sell something.

[jmort]

I find nothing on the Redhawk. 8 holes would be cool. My Google-Fu must be weak.

[High Desert Hunter]

They were putting it through the paces at Gunsite.

[High Desert Hunter]

182995

[Nueces]

I definitely have to hand it to Ruger they are coming out with some cool stuff. Makes a guy go broke in a hurry!

I think credit for these and many others must go to Lipsey's, who are willing to place large orders with Ruger for guns not in Ruger's catalog.

I read that there had been a long battle before Lipsey's could bring Ruger around to producing the late model flat top Blackhawks, than which there are no better Rugers in the free world.

[shoot-n-lead]

I think credit for these and many others must go to Lipsey's, who are willing to place large orders with Ruger for guns not in Ruger's catalog.

I read that there had been a long battle before Lipsey's could bring Ruger around to producing the late model flat top Blackhawks, than which there are no better Rugers in the free world.

People had been trying to get Ruger to do that gun for the better part of 50Yrs...so, Ruger knew there was a market for the Flattop...they just would not make it.

[Bigslug]

182995

Okie dokie. . .it has the new round butt grip frame, NICE. Now, if everyone would start chanting with me:

"FIVE INCH TAPERED BARREL. . .FIVE INCH TAPERED BARREL. . .FIVE INCH TAPERED BARREL. . ."

[SSGOldfart]

Guess I got lucky,I own a 44Spl flat top blackhawk,
Another won't be unheard of.

[shoot-n-lead]

Guess I got lucky,I own a 44Spl flat top blackhawk,
Another won't be unheard of.

I think a lot of us must have gotten lucky, as so many of us have the flattop Blackhawk.

[Brad Cayton]

I got to have the special!!!

[shoot-n-lead]

I said earlier in this thread that I had to have this gun...but I doubt that I will get it as I have never been a fan of the GP100...but the 44 Special...MIGHT...make it more appealing. I will just have to wait till someone local gets one that I can shoot. I have a sack full of single action Specials and if I am going to carry a Special, it will be the our Charter, it would not be the GP100. Just have to wait and see.

[mcdaniel.mac]

Okie dokie. . .it has the new round butt grip frame, NICE. Now, if everyone would start chanting with me:

"FIVE INCH TAPERED BARREL. . .FIVE INCH TAPERED BARREL. . .FIVE INCH TAPERED BARREL. . ."
4" and a Weigand RDS mount will do me just fine.

[9.3X62AL]

What Bigslug said. Put a barrel on that revolver, not a stub.

[adcoch1]

Man the 3" looks cool on the gp, but imagine a 5" barrel. It might be the perfect gun that way! I may actually buy a NEW revolver!

[catmandu]

Anybody know about when these would be available? I checked Linsey's site and no mention there.

[Lloyd Smale]

never was a big gp100 fan but I will have to own one in a 5 shot 44 spec. 3 inch would be perfect for me.

[dubber123]

That's about the first GP100 I have had an interest in. 2.5" groups at 15 yards makes it a lot less interesting though.

[B. Lumpkin]

As with others, this is the first GP-100 that kind of makes me want to spend some money. Actually this is the first Ruger revolver that has interested me.

[376Steyr]

Anybody know about when these would be available? I checked Linsey's site and no mention there.

Davidson's Gallery of Guns shows them: http://www.galleryofguns.com/RugerStore/ItemDetail.aspx?item=1761

Davidson's normally flags things with "Exclusive!" if it is a special run. I don't see that here, so maybe this is going to be a standard Ruger catalog item.

[Walkingwolf]

I said earlier in this thread that I had to have this gun...but I doubt that I will get it as I have never been a fan of the GP100...but the 44 Special...MIGHT...make it more appealing. I will just have to wait till someone local gets one that I can shoot. I have a sack full of single action Specials and if I am going to carry a Special, it will be the our Charter, it would not be the GP100. Just have to wait and see.

IMO the GP is not a conceal carry weapon, too many handguns that are lighter to carry. I do carry GP's but open carry with a heavy belt. So five shots compared to the 6 shots and a four inch barrel of my S&W 21, for me it just is not practical. Many people will have a place for it though. I would have preferred a four inch to the 3 inch. Another problem is that probably these will be hard to find, I wanted a 44 Redhawk in 4 inch and none of my LGS could find one. Same for the 45 acp Redhawk. Had no trouble finding the Smiths, though it was about 100 bucks higher in price.

[High Desert Hunter]

This is due out in January, Lipsey's will be the distributor cataloging the new pistolas. I really am a big fan of Lipsey's, I have 2 Flattops thanks to them.

[375supermag]

That's about the first GP100 I have had an interest in. 2.5" groups at 15 yards makes it a lot less interesting though.

Hi...
I have never owned a GP100 although I have shot a friend's extensively.
I also do not "need" another .44Spl...I have a Lipsey's flattop BlackHawk, an adjustable sight Taurus in stainless and a Cimarron SAA clone with another on order. I just really like the .44Spl caliber and really don't like shooting non-magnum cartridges in my .44Mag revolvers. I don't shoot .38Spl in my .357Mag revolvers, either.

I suspect one of these GP100s will make it's way into my possession, particularly if it becomes available with a 4" or 5" barrel. The 3" version isn't a deal breaker...but a longer barrel would make it easier for my 62 year old eyes to shoot it accurately.
Looking forward to handling one of these when they make it to the local gun shops. I do hope the street price is a bit lower than the $829 that I see being bandied about...be a bit easier on the budget.

As someone mentioned a version in .41Mag or 10mm would also be most welcome.

I would still like to see a BlackHawk in .41Spl if anybody from Ruger is listening. I am pretty sure I am good for at least two of those...just to start. I would be quite interested in a couple of Vaqueros in .41Spl, as well.

[W.R.Buchanan]

Well here's another Home Run for Ruger! This is a S&W 696 made by Ruger. I have a 696 and I can tell you that if you practice with the gun the 3" bbl is not a significant handicap. It does take some practice! But I actually have hit a Silhouette Ram at 200 meters with mine and was close on the other 4 shots, so it can hit things farther out. But up close in a defensive situation a 250 gr Keith Boolit will knock the wind out of just about anything, and men don't stand a chance. All you need to do is shoot some steel with one and you'll figure it out real quick.

This one even comes with the right grip on it. I had to spend another $38 for mine from S&W, and that padding on the upper part of the grip makes all the difference in the world when shooting hotter loads with a DA style grip frame

At $829 MSRP I can see these in the $650 to 700 range on the street. If you wanted a 696 and never could find one or didn't want to pay the $950 like I did for a used one, then this one will be for you.

This is another Lipsey's/Ruger Home Run for sure, just like the BH .44 Specials were. I know my RGS Scout came from Lipsey's and so did my BH Bisley, and if you really want to get something from them, I would recommend Williams Gun Shop Auburn in Auburn Michigan. Kevin Williams has done really well for me and he is in tight with Lipsey's. He will ship to any FFL and his price will be the best you can do, because he actually wants to sell guns! (989) 266-3301

I will be looking very seriously at these at the SHOT Show next month.

Randy

[dragon813gt]

Guess I'm the only one that does not care about either one. No appeal at all. Explains why it's taken Lipseys to get Ruger to produce them.

[Lloyd Smale]

yup my 3in 696 is one of the most accurate handguns ive ever owned. Its taken LOTs of keith level loads and I would love the gp so I could use it for those loads and give the 696 a break and shoot lighter stuff.
Well here's another Home Run for Ruger! This is a S&W 696 made by Ruger. I have a 696 and I can tell you that if you practice with the gun the 3" bbl is not a significant handicap. It does take some practice! But I actually have hit a Silhouette Ram at 200 meters with mine and was close on the other 4 shots, so it can hit things farther out. But up close in a defensive situation a 250 gr Keith Boolit will knock the wind out of just about anything, and men don't stand a chance. All you need to do is shoot some steel with one and you'll figure it out real quick.

This one even comes with the right grip on it. I had to spend another $38 for mine from S&W, and that padding on the upper part of the grip makes all the difference in the world when shooting hotter loads with a DA style grip frame

At $829 MSRP I can see these in the $650 to 700 range on the street. If you wanted a 696 and never could find one or didn't want to pay the $950 like I did for a used one, then this one will be for you.

This is another Lipsey's/Ruger Home Run for sure, just like the BH .44 Specials were. I think Ruger uses Lipsey's for market testing before they commit to cataloging a new gun. I know my RGS Scout came from Lipsey's and so did my BH Bisley, and if you really want to get something from them I would recommend Williams Gun Shop Auburn in Auburn Michigan. Kevin Williams has done really well for me and he is in tight with Lipsey's. He will ship to any FFL and his price will be the best you can do, because he actually wants to sell guns! (989) 266-3301

I will be looking very seriously at these at the SHOT Show next month.

Randy

[dubber123]

yup my 3in 696 is one of the most accurate handguns ive ever owned. Its taken LOTs of keith level loads and I would love the gp so I could use it for those loads and give the 696 a break and shoot lighter stuff.

But if it won't shoot better than the 2.5" at 15 yards it did in the test, I'm betting it wouldn't be welcome for long at your house :)

[Any Cal.]

GP would be neat with Keith loads, can't see it for factory Special stuff. Probably weigh just a couple oz less than the .357.

The .357 Redhawk would be killer reamed to .357 Max. That would be interesting to me.

[jmort]

I am not saying it is not true, but where is evidence of the new production .357 Redhawk? I want one.

[shoot-n-lead]

The .357 Redhawk would be killer reamed to .357 Max. That would be interesting to me.

Cylinder would be too short.

[W.R.Buchanan]

2.5" at 15 yards for any Snubbie is very acceptable. My 696 won't do any better than that.

You've got to look at every gun in it's proper context. IE: what it was designed to do,,, "Most."

This gun was obviously designed to be a Compact Powerful Carry Gun, just the same as the 696 was, and the Charter Arms Bulldog is. It isn't a Target Pistol. Bulldogs are a lot lighter so you aren't going to be shooting very many sub 2.5' groups at 7 yards let alone 15.

And then the big kicker comes in, and that is,,, even if the gun is capable of shooting that tight ,,, Can you shoot it that well?

Ed Head is a pretty decent Pistolero and if that's all the better he can do, then we probably are going to do worse.

I think the accuracy of this gun is more than adequate for just about any reasonable use.

Randy

[LAH]

2.5" at 15 yards for any Snubbie is very acceptable. My 696 won't do any better than that.

Well said.

[9.3X62AL]

What LAH and WR said.

Call me a Luddite, but the idea of a large-frame revolver of GP-100 or Redhawk proportions is hard for me to wrap my mind around as a concealed-carry arm. Barrel length has never posed much of a problem for me--it is weight and cylinder width that complicate the equation. The S&W Model 13/65 x 3" is my idea of "ideal" for a carry gun in 357 Magnum, but a 4" barrel is no more difficult to conceal--and in fact helps a bit with an inside-the-waistband mode of carry. 2" and 3" revolvers are conspicuous by their absence within my gun safe. The only one that makes sense to me by virtue of size/power/capacity is the out-of-print Colt Detective Special/late series, with +P rating--6-shot cylinder--and reasonable weight/size. Likely the best snubbie 38 ever produced in this country, but it is long gone. These corpulent overweight posers acting like snubbies won't occur at my house. Both might get bought if equipped with 4"-5" barrels, by which means they would become useful and multi-purpose tools. There are more than enough existing unfilled niches in the gun market in need of filling that we don't need to create new ones that are in reality non-existent.

[Brad Cayton]

I'm hoping for a 4" version. I see it as a great woods, packing around gun. Able to take a deer or bear if the need arises gun. In WV a handgun has to have a min. 4" barrel to hunt with. I have a Flattop 5" in 44 special but I just feel it's too sweet to make a beater out of it. I have a CA bulldog for CC so I've got my fingers crossed. Guess if we all liked the same thing we'd all be married to my wife:mrgreen:

[dubber123]

Well said.

Well, I am not a world class pistolero, but I would not be happy with that accuracy from a J-frame snub, and I have a few. I think too many shooters give short barreled guns a pass on accuracy.

[shoot-n-lead]

Well, I am not a world class pistolero, but I would not be happy with that accuracy from a J-frame snub, and I have a few. I think too many shooters give short barreled guns a pass on accuracy.

Well, when I see you shoot better than a 2.5" group at 15yds with a snub...I will believe you.

[osteodoc08]

Wish the GP100 was a .41...

Agreed.

[TXGunNut]

Well, when I see you shoot better than a 2.5" group at 15yds with a snub...I will believe you.

I've seen (and even shot) some very impressive groups from 2" Smith J-frames, suspect some are capable of that level of performance at 25 yards. I haven't shot pistols competitively in over 15 years but I may be able to pull off a 2.5" group at 15yds, most good PPC shooters can probably do the same even though they shoot six-shot snubbies in "undercover revolver" matches these days. Those little J-frames will surprise most folks, with a decent trigger and match ammo they are good little shooters out to 25 yards.

[shoot-n-lead]

I've seen (and even shot) some very impressive groups from 2" Smith J-frames, suspect some are capable of that level of performance at 25 yards. I haven't shot pistols competitively in over 15 years but I may be able to pull off a 2.5" group at 15yds, most good PPC shooters can probably do the same even though they shoot six-shot snubbies in "undercover revolver" matches these days. Those little J-frames will surprise most folks, with a decent trigger and match ammo they are good little shooters out to 25 yards.

I have shot some, too...BUT...to insinuate that they get a lot smaller, implies that 2.5" at 15yds is not acceptable from a gun and shooter...and we all know that is not true.

[scotth]

if i remember wright the 357 max will not fit in the redhawk frame but i think the 360 dan wesson will fit i did not look the numbers up but it is something to think about. i hope they bring both the new 44 and 357 out with longer barrels. if thay do i will have to hold my banker up for ransom.

[LAH]

2.5" at 15 yards for any Snubbie is very acceptable.

My part in this is to agree that 2.5" at 15 yards is fine for a defense. I didn't mean to imply one can do better. I've shot the little guns at arms distance & across the "holler" so I know they can do better but when you get a brute after ya like Lloyd the lineman :Fire: 2.5" will do just fine. [smilie=1:

[376Steyr]

For those wishing for a .41 version, how about a .41 Ruger Special! Ruger could legitimize the .41 Special cartridge, with say a 210 gr bullet at 900 fps out of a 4" barrel. Wild-eyed handloaders could ruin guns left and right chasing .41 Mag ballistics. The ammo companies could fall all over themselves introducing lightweight JHP loads that clock 500 fps slower out of snubby barrels than the 10 inch barrels they used for testing. The FBI could shoot a couple of blocks of Jell-O and announce they are throwing away their 9mm's, as the 3", 5-shot .41 is the wave of the future. Crusty internet posters would proclaim they have shot hundreds of deer/elk/wombats with the .41 Special and the only bullet that doesn't bounce off them is a cast 400 gr WFN. A good time would be had by all.

[Beagle333]

Yes, 2.5" is terrible. You should stay away from this awful gun. Nobody should have a scattergun like that. Stay away!!! (and maybe my allotment will get to my dealer sooner...heh heh) [smilie=1:

[Thumbcocker]

If they use the same reamers and barrels they used for the .44 Special Flat tops I bet you can tighten that up some with boolits and load development. I called my favorite Ruger dealer (he recognized me immediately) and he is going to order me one. I had lusted after a 696 Smith but I think this will serve nicely. I see many 200 grn. button nose wadcutters at 850fps or so going into the berm in the future.

[Good Cheer]

OK, it's not a Ruger but yeah, I love .41 Special (caseless ammo).
http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy192/SNARGLEFLERK/41Remington_zps774098f7.jpg (http://s791.photobucket.com/user/SNARGLEFLERK/media/41Remington_zps774098f7.jpg.html)

Charter Arms marketed a five shot .357 that was a very nice pack pistol.
Ruger could do something like it and sell a gazillion.

[snowwolfe]

I love excuses to "need" a new gun. But with a 3 inch barrel it just doesn't cut it. I'll stick with my S&W 625 45 acp with its longer barrel.
Still, I like that Ruger has new offerings.

[Ickisrulz]

For those wishing for a .41 version, how about a .41 Ruger Special! Ruger could legitimize the .41 Special cartridge, with say a 210 gr bullet at 900 fps out of a 4" barrel. Wild-eyed handloaders could ruin guns left and right chasing .41 Mag ballistics. The ammo companies could fall all over themselves introducing lightweight JHP loads that clock 500 fps slower out of snubby barrels than the 10 inch barrels they used for testing. The FBI could shoot a couple of blocks of Jell-O and announce they are throwing away their 9mm's, as the 3", 5-shot .41 is the wave of the future. Crusty internet posters would proclaim they have shot hundreds of deer/elk/wombats with the .41 Special and the only bullet that doesn't bounce off them is a cast 400 gr WFN. A good time would be had by all.

I bet one of the new Flattop Blackhawks in .41 Special would sell quite well. Starline is pumping out the brass right now.

[Jeff Michel]

According to local scuttlebutt, the 44 special won't be limited to Lipsey's stable. I'd like to see one, even as a five shot, it ought to be a handful. The one my dealer brought up interests me a lot more is a version of the American rifle in .32 H&R mag. I asked if it wasn't a .327? No, .32 mag. That's what his distributor told him and he said he would verify and get what details he could next month at the dealers show. He said dealer cost would be around 385.00. I told him to order one while he was at the show, so I guess I'll find out soon enough if this particular rumor is credible, hope so, been waiting a long time.

[dubber123]

I've seen (and even shot) some very impressive groups from 2" Smith J-frames, suspect some are capable of that level of performance at 25 yards. I haven't shot pistols competitively in over 15 years but I may be able to pull off a 2.5" group at 15yds, most good PPC shooters can probably do the same even though they shoot six-shot snubbies in "undercover revolver" matches these days. Those little J-frames will surprise most folks, with a decent trigger and match ammo they are good little shooters out to 25 yards.

I will have to drag one of mine out and give it a whirl. I am pretty sure even having shot little in recent years, I can do a little better in short order at 45 feet. If I really feel like cheating, I will dig out one of my 3" J-frames. That extra inch of barrel makes a huge difference. I don't consider a 3" barrel a "snub". Short yes, snub, no.

[gwpercle]

I definitely have to hand it to Ruger they are coming out with some cool stuff. Makes a guy go broke in a hurry!

Ruger is not to blame for the cool stuff....it's Richard A. Lipsey, right here in Baton Rouge who's responsible.
Lipsey's is located just down the street from my office , I'm 6750 and they are 7277 Exchequer, Thank goodness they only wholesale firearms through licensed dealers or I would go broke.
I had a good friend , now retired , who had a gun shop and that was hard on the account. On account of all the cool guns Lipsey would dream up and special order. Funny thing is several of Lipsey's specials are now standard catalog items because they sold so well. That 5 shot 44 special should be a winner. I am sure a 5 shot 41 magnum would be a hot item too.
Gary

[dragon813gt]

According to local scuttlebutt, the 44 special won't be limited to Lipsey's stable. I'd like to see one, even as a five shot, it ought to be a handful. The one my dealer brought up interests me a lot more is a version of the American rifle in .32 H&R mag. I asked if it wasn't a .327? No, .32 mag. That's what his distributor told him and he said he would verify and get what details he could next month at the dealers show. He said dealer cost would be around 385.00. I told him to order one while he was at the show, so I guess I'll find out soon enough if this particular rumor is credible, hope so, been waiting a long time.

Hopefully it's a 327. I'd be all over that in a heartbeat. Can always rechamber to 327 but I'd prefer it came from the factory that way.

[TXGunNut]

I have shot some, too...BUT...to insinuate that they get a lot smaller, implies that 2.5" at 15yds is not acceptable from a gun and shooter...and we all know that is not true.

It's not acceptable for a gun as good as this one should be, I suspect there was something wrong with it. When GP100's came out they could nearly keep up with a good S&W...and most folks would be very surprised to know what a good S&W can actually do. The early GP100's I saw could probably shoot that 2.5" group @ 50 yards with a 4 or 6" barrel. A bellygun doesn't have to be accurate to be effective but an accurate gun inspires confidence in the person carrying it.
Before y'all decide I'm an armchair commando I'll let you know I really wasn't that good a PPC shooter; on my best days I was a 1450's (out of 1500) but I know what a good revolver can do. I've watched some of the world's best pistoleros shoot and it's a humbling experience.
Maybe the testers just didn't have any decent ammo. :Fire:

[dubber123]

It's not acceptable for a gun as good as this one should be, I suspect there was something wrong with it. When GP100's came out they could nearly keep up with a good S&W...and most folks would be very surprised to know what a good S&W can actually do. The early GP100's I saw could probably shoot that 2.5" group @ 50 yards with a 4 or 6" barrel. A bellygun doesn't have to be accurate to be effective but an accurate gun inspires confidence in the person carrying it.
Before y'all decide I'm an armchair commando I'll let you know I really wasn't that good a PPC shooter; on my best days I was a 1450's (out of 1500) but I know what a good revolver can do. I've watched some of the world's best pistoleros shoot and it's a humbling experience.
Maybe the testers just didn't have any decent ammo. :Fire:

I'm not writing it off until I see some more testing. It could have been the gun, the shooter, the ammo, or a combination of the above. If it can't do any better than that, I will have to pass. It could be a pre-production piece that had undersize throats. I dunno. I haven't been shooting much lately, and that has been draw and shoot fast stuff, which sure doesn't make you a good group shooter. That said, the last 2 groups I remember firing were 1.00" and 1.10" at 50 yards. Nope, not a 3" gun, but open sights. My 4-3/4" .475 will stay in 1.5" at 50 on a good day. Not world class shooting, but good enough to know a heavy gun with a 3" barrel really should do better than this first test indicates. I'd also like to see less than $800 on the price tag.

[376Steyr]

News of the 8-shot Redhawk. http://ruger.com/products/redhawk/specSheets/5033.html
A 44 oz. 357 snubby? I think the guys at Ruger are just messing with us now.

[W.R.Buchanan]

I emailed Mark Gurney about this thread last Saturday and he wrote me back on Sunday after he read the thread he decided that Ruger would catalog the gun. The gun is Model #1761 and is listed on the Sturm Ruger Home Page as of today.

It weighs 36 oz just like my 696, but it isn't CA legal so I can't have one.

If it was I could order one today and have it in my possession in 2-3 weeks. But it's not on the CA list due to it's having a 3" bbl.

The street price on this guns should be in the $650 to $700 range depending on availability.

I'm so sick of liberals, but I got no place else to go, and I'm stuck here as my business and family is here.

That's why I talk Political so much. Hopefully someone will listen someday.

Randy

[LUCKYDAWG13]

Ruger is not to blame for the cool stuff....it's Richard A. Lipsey, right here in Baton Rouge who's responsible.
Lipsey's is located just down the street from my office , I'm 6750 and they are 7277 Exchequer, Thank goodness they only wholesale firearms through licensed dealers or I would go broke.
I had a good friend , now retired , who had a gun shop and that was hard on the account. On account of all the cool guns Lipsey would dream up and special order. Funny thing is several of Lipsey's specials are now standard catalog items because they sold so well. That 5 shot 44 special should be a winner. I am sure a 5 shot 41 magnum would be a hot item too.
Gary
I would love to see a 41 magnum in a SP101

[Uncle Grinch]

Agreed.


Or or maybe a 41 Spl?..

[TXGunNut]

Or or maybe a 41 Spl?..


I think you may have something there.

[ddixie884]

A GP100 in .41spl could be a 6 shot.

[shoot-n-lead]

A GP100 in .41spl could be a 6 shot.

And, it would probably be a commercial failure.

[ddixie884]

It might be but some of us have spent a lot of money to have .41spl handguns built.

[shoot-n-lead]

It might be but some of us have spent a lot of money to have .41spl handguns built.

Yeah, I know, but y'all will have to continue to spend, to have them built...it would be a flop as there would not be enough of y'all to make it worth it to produce.

[farmbif]

It might be but some of us have spent a lot of money to have .41spl handguns built.

A new ruger 41 would make a perfect companion to my new Henry 41.

[376Steyr]

Would the .41 Ruger Special necessarily be a commercial failure? I think that it would be a viable "niche" cartridge, like the .327 Magnum. It might even take off for police use like the .40 S&W did. I could see a market in municipalities that are tired of having perps brought in with twenty 9mm holes in them, and the associated bad press.

[High Desert Hunter]

I would have serious doubts about Police Departments moving back to revolvers, while I think Lipsey's could maybe sell the 1K pistols required to get Ruger to make them, I believe they would have to sell them ahead of time.

[shoot-n-lead]

Would the .41 Ruger Special necessarily be a commercial failure? I think that it would be a viable "niche" cartridge, like the .327 Magnum. It might even take off for police use like the .40 S&W did. I could see a market in municipalities that are tired of having perps brought in with twenty 9mm holes in them, and the associated bad press.

It is already a "niche" cartridge, with very little following.

Revolvers have already "taken off" in the LEO community.

Well, apparently you have better vision than most involved in the gun industry.

[DougGuy]

Could someone post the outer cylinder wall thickness front and back for the GP100-44 please?

[376Steyr]

"Well, apparently you have better vision than most involved in the gun industry."

Would this be the gun industry that gave us the .25 WSSM, the first-generation Remington R51, and the wildly successful .376 Steyr cartridge/Scout rifle combo? Thank you!

[shoot-n-lead]

"Well, apparently you have better vision than most involved in the gun industry."

Would this be the gun industry that gave us the .25 WSSM, the first-generation Remington R51, and the wildly successful .376 Steyr cartridge/Scout rifle combo? Thank you!

Yes...and they don't want to build another loser...because the .41 Special would certain be one.

[High Desert Hunter]

Could someone post the outer cylinder wall thickness front and back for the GP100-44 please?

DougGuy,
You might try emailing Jeff Quinn at gunblast.com, he may still have the test gun to measure.

[35 Whelen]

What LAH and WR said.

Call me a Luddite, but the idea of a large-frame revolver of GP-100 or Redhawk proportions is hard for me to wrap my mind around as a concealed-carry arm. Barrel length has never posed much of a problem for me--it is weight and cylinder width that complicate the equation. The S&W Model 13/65 x 3" is my idea of "ideal" for a carry gun in 357 Magnum, but a 4" barrel is no more difficult to conceal--and in fact helps a bit with an inside-the-waistband mode of carry. 2" and 3" revolvers are conspicuous by their absence within my gun safe. The only one that makes sense to me by virtue of size/power/capacity is the out-of-print Colt Detective Special/late series, with +P rating--6-shot cylinder--and reasonable weight/size. Likely the best snubbie 38 ever produced in this country, but it is long gone. These corpulent overweight posers acting like snubbies won't occur at my house. Both might get bought if equipped with 4"-5" barrels, by which means they would become useful and multi-purpose tools. There are more than enough existing unfilled niches in the gun market in need of filling that we don't need to create new ones that are in reality non-existent.

BINGO.

This revolver is a study in contrasts.

The purposeless, non-fluted cylinder only adds to the already too heavy weight of 36 oz., which is too heavy for a 3" revolver. My Colt repros weigh the same with a 4 3/4" barrel and carry six rounds in the cylinder. My CA Bulldog is identically configured and is almost a full pound lighter.

I wonder why Ruger insists on building heavy, boat anchor revolvers? They could flute the cylinder, use a tapered, or at least more slender contoured barrel, and remove some metal from the frame and have a handy trim revolver better suited for carry. OR if nothing else, have an option for a 4" barrel so at least one could justify a revolver a little on the heavy side with a longer barrel which would be more useful for hunting.

Heck, for that matter, a guy can just buy a Smith Model 21-4 which weighs exactly the same as the Ruger, has an extra inch of barrel and is capable of carrying 6 rounds.

35W

[DougGuy]

DougGuy,
You might try emailing Jeff Quinn at gunblast.com, he may still have the test gun to measure.

I asked him already about this, asked him if he had a flattop that he could compare wall thickness with. He is busy and on the road this week so maybe next week?

[dubber123]

I asked him already about this, asked him if he had a flattop that he could compare wall thickness with. He is busy and on the road this week so maybe next week?

I fully expect the GP100 frame is plenty strong enough, and as long as the cylinder wall thickness exceeds that of a S&W J-frame in .357 mag, I would have to think it should be safe to standard .357 mag pressures, and that would surely wake the 44 Spl. up. The only potential weak spot might be the forcing cone, which was the issue with the L-frame S&W's in .44 Spl. I am betting Ruger addressed that issue though.

[High Desert Hunter]

I for one prefer the Ruger boat anchor to the lighter Smiths, I know that they will take all of the abuse I can throw at them. I want this one in particular for a pack gun, throw it in, and forget it's there unless I become separated from my rifle and need it.

[Certaindeaf]

Yea, a 3" 5-shot .44 is about perfect to carry. A GP is pretty much equivalent in size to an L frame and 3" is pretty close to 4" so this is a full size duty gun ("snub-nose" indeed.. lol) and I'd be surprised if the thing won't do sub 2's at 25 yards. I'd never consider a 5-shot with a much long barrel.

[W.R.Buchanan]

BINGO.

This revolver is a study in contrasts.

The purposeless, non-fluted cylinder only adds to the already too heavy weight of 36 oz., which is too heavy for a 3" revolver. My Colt repros weigh the same with a 4 3/4" barrel and carry six rounds in the cylinder. My CA Bulldog is identically configured and is almost a full pound lighter.

I wonder why Ruger insists on building heavy, boat anchor revolvers? They could flute the cylinder, use a tapered, or at least more slender contoured barrel, and remove some metal from the frame and have a handy trim revolver better suited for carry. OR if nothing else, have an option for a 4" barrel so at least one could justify a revolver a little on the heavy side with a longer barrel which would be more useful for hunting.

Heck, for that matter, a guy can just buy a Smith Model 21-4 which weighs exactly the same as the Ruger, has an extra inch of barrel and is capable of carrying 6 rounds.

35W

I hear some of your criticisms but,,, This is the first evolution of this gun. It was designed to fill the niche left open by the demise of the S&W696 (which also weighs 36 oz.) The M69 is not doing that.

The gun is what it is, and whereas some would want a longer barrel or a .41 Spec which could be easily done with only a barrel and cylinder change, unless the base model sells well (which I think it will), there would be no incentive for Ruger to make other models that will sell less.

The future availability of other models will be strictly governed by how well the first model sells. I will ask Mark about other possible models at the Show but I doubt I will get anything definitive out of him. Generally big outfits don't like to show their cards on upcoming models prior to their release as it generally limits sales on existing models because people are waiting for their model to come along.

I learned a valuable lesson a long time ago while trying to sell the Omniturn CNC Lathe, which I invented.

That is:

People always seem to want something just a little different than what you are offering.

It is the best excuse ever invented for NOT buying a product.

There currently is no other Revolver like this gun. If they make a 4 or 5" bbl. then they are competing directly with the S&W M69 (which is not selling well.) The .41 Special is a possibility and Brian Pearce just did a two part series in "Handloader" on that cartridge and loading of same. There is also several specialty outfits making factory ammo, and Starline is making cases so it can be loaded for, and his article had loads that were right up with .41 Magnum performance so the gun would be useful.

I was seriously considering one of the .44 Magnum Redhawks with the 4.2" bbl and the rubber grips. My intended use was as a Carry Gun when on Jeep trips in the back country. However at 47 oz it wouldn't be a picnic to carry and I already have a SBH Bisley and a BH Bisley and my 696 so why would I need another .44 Mag? (when has that ever been a real question?) But the point is I didn't get one, but this gun is a little different, and I like it more than the bigger guns, so there may be one in my future if I could get it into CA.

Well there's a good reason for the 4" bbl version right there.! CA legal version!

Merry Christmas !!!

Randy

[snowwolfe]

I hear some of your criticisms but,,, This is the first evolution of this gun. It was designed to fill the niche left open by the demise of the S&W696 (which also weighs 36 oz.) The M69 is not doing that.

Randy

Why would you claim that about the 69? The 69 is one of the favorite carry 44 mags on several different forums I frequent. Own one myself.

[W.R.Buchanan]

I knew it would ring someone's bell, it was just my opinion based on some sales figures I've heard of from someone who actually has access to such things. There isn't anything wrong with the guns IMHO, I was just restating what I had heard from a reliable source.

This thread has been up for only a few days and already has 3800+ views! I think they have a winner.

Randy

[High Desert Hunter]

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