Graf and Sons Black powder

[44wcf]

Does anyone know who makes Grafs Black powder?

[Don McDowell]

It's Shuetzen powder. They used to repackage it, now it's just a label change.

[Maven]

The dozen or so plastic 1lb. cans I had said Wano.

[sharpsguy]

Six of one, half dozen of the other.

[John Boy]

"LHS Germany GmbH", a business in Germany for the sale of explosives, blasting equipment, black powder and smokeless powder. They name their black powder sold internationally - Wano. Their BP sold to the US is named Schuetzen and Graf's powder is just a different label for the same powder made by LHS Germany GmbH

[MaLar]

Is it any good? Seems every time I get powder I get what is known to be second rate.

[44wcf]

thank you
that is what i thought but wasn"t sure.
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[sharps4590]

I think it's good. I get at least as good results as with GOEX and more often better. I'm shooting it in BPC rifles and muzzleloaders. Last two cases I've bought have been Schuetzen. For velocity and with some rifles accuracy it isn't Swiss and were I still shooting competitively I'd probably still be shooting Swiss but the little difference in performance and the considerable difference in price, for my needs, it's just fine.

[Gunlaker]

I've shot it close range (200m) and was able to get reasonable accuracy, but it is far weaker than Swiss 1.5. In my .45-90 a charge of Schuetzen FFg was something like 100 fps slower than Swiss 1.5. SD's were pretty crappy.

Chris.

[rfd]

everyone figures out what powder works best for them, and for me it's SWISS. the best i've ever used, yet. more power, less fouling. 1-1/2f for cartridge bullets and 3f for ml .32 to .62 ball rifles and smoothies, and shot for the fowlers. :)

[BrentD]

Is it any good? Seems every time I get powder I get what is known to be second rate.

Just buy some Swiss and be done with it. Don't believe it? Look at the scores and equipment/load reports of major matches. It isn't even close.