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Harter66
11-21-2016, 12:39 AM
The big Reno Show was a zoo , with lots of sellers complaining that gun sales were poor .
MiWal didn't bring enough stock ,but that has become the normal.

After walking 3/4 of the show and being bored with 73,92,94,95 and 96 Winchesters I came across a guy with a few moulds . At his asking prices I should have snagged the 7mm-145 SIL and that 30 cal Seaco maybe a couple of pistol moulds . I have 130, 140, 150 and 168 7mm , the Seaco 30s don't fit my rifles most of the pistol moulds were either designs that had no interest or covered by those on hand .

Then there it was a Cramer #45 . Ok so I know nothing about them but I've read lots of posts about kids on Christmas with a Cramer so let's do it. It looked good but a little dirty but the important parts looked ok.
I snagged it . It casts nice too .
181093
181094
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It is advertised as as 311-169 , my alloy throws 312-162 .
What a pleasure to use an old school tool that really works like it is supposed to .
I learned that this is most likely a prewar example and that CRAMER was only in business from 1936-51 . The bullet is from a design of post WWI a Miller-Squib . I have a Lee 312-155 that I suspect owes it's design to this line ,even if it is credited someone else.

Bent Ramrod
11-21-2016, 11:07 AM
The Big Reno Show is a great show. What they call a "statistical universe." I always found something there I had to have, and missed out on several "must-haves" that others sniped up while I was waffling and cogitating. It's always crowded, always crazy, but that's what the hotel room is for. You go up, unload your treasures, rest up and then back to the fray. I generally went all three days, had lunch there Sunday, and took off for home.

Cramer made good stuff. SAECO bought them out, apparently to get the lubrisizers, since they were already selling moulds and furnaces, IIRC.

I've shot that design (out of a Lyman mould) and it does pretty well.

Harter66
11-21-2016, 11:20 AM
I don't suppose you might have load data around or suggestions of where to start ? I would most likely run this in 30WCF 308 and 06' the 3 of 4 prime candidates for this are 1-12 twist while the last is 10 . I think that it won't do well in the Weatherby like Savage 308 so that drops out a 12 twist . Leaving me an 03A3 and a 30-30 (stacking mag bolt gun) in 12" twist . With that no risk of a dangling GC . The other 10 twist is a near match chambered Remington 760 so it should be right at home there .

Hick
11-21-2016, 12:42 PM
As my younger brother used to say "you dog!" :)-- I've been looking all over for that style to use single shot in my 30-30 and finally settled for the lyman 311410 (same style but lighter-- only about 130 grains). It's a great find. I've been getting good results with 7.5 grains of HP-38 (no leading) at about 1400 fps-- but its a lot lighter than yours. If I had to bet I would say about 1 grain less powder for something like HP-38, which is what I use for a 170 grain boolit in my 30-30. But-- you have lots more experience than I do in this.

Mk42gunner
11-21-2016, 07:17 PM
I miss going to the Big Reno gun show.

Harter66
11-21-2016, 08:08 PM
Comparitively your pretty close to that monster in Tulsa .

rwadley
11-21-2016, 09:50 PM
Lyman/Ideal 311413 is pretty close. There's data for the '06 with available powders in Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook #1.

Mk42gunner
11-22-2016, 03:12 AM
Comparitively your pretty close to that monster in Tulsa .
About three hours from Tulsa IIRC, it has been a long time since I took a trip that direction.

The problem is that my hips hurt so much after a one hour drive, I think the only thing I would be able to do is lay down and cry after sitting in a car that long. My doctor is working with me and it is slowly getting better.

Robert

Hickory
11-22-2016, 04:43 AM
Luck as good as skill?

If you have the skill, you make your own luck.

MT Gianni
11-22-2016, 11:27 AM
"Somedays' it's better to be lucky than good" I disremember the author but believe it was a Viet Nam era soldier.

Harter66
11-24-2016, 07:02 PM
I located a few Lee 312-155 for comparison of old skool and new . It speaks volumes to what was a top design 70yr ago and what is working today .

"We can rebuild him better, faster ,stronger."

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I haven't shot these yet but the 312 shoots cloverleafs in a 30-30 circa 49' .