Lyman 358429

[exile]

Hello, I am new to "cast boolits". I have not cast my own bullets yet, but would like to. I am thinking about buying the lyman 358429 mold but would like to try out some already cast bullets before investing in the mold. Can anyone direct me to someplace where I can buy a quantity of these bullets? I have heard they may not fit some cylinders and want to try some out first to be sure they fit myS&W 686. Thanks.

[txbirdman]

They'll work in your 686. They will not work when seated to the crimp groove in a N-frame S&W; '94 Marlin; or '92 Winchester or clone in a .357 case.

[exile]

Thanks for that information, I was curious about the functioning of this bullet in the Marlin 1894 as well, although I don't currently own one. I would still be interested in purchasing a small quantity of this bullet, if anyone knew where they could be found.

[crabo]

http://www.montanabulletworks.com/wst_page6.html

They gottem.

The Lee cowboy boolits work in the 1894 real well.

Crabo

[exile]

Thanks so much Crabo, I checked their website and will be ordering some tomorrow. Hopefully if they shoot well in my gun, I will buy the mold myself and start casting. Again, thanks a lot for the information.

Exile

[crabo]

Exile, you will find this is a great bunch of guys on this forum. It seems like almost everyone is willing to help you learn what you want to know.

Crabo

[NoDakJak]

I have been shooting this boolit in revolvers for almost thirty years and find it to be one of the very best. Accurate and well suited for hunting deer at close range. I use 38 Special brass exclusively and stuff them with ten to eleven grains of 2400 depending on whether they are chambered for 38 Special or 357 Magnum. Be advised that these are hunting rather than pinking loads. The eleven grain load in my six inch, 357 Colt produces 1,042 fps and has taken many deet with no problem. It works fairly well in my Marlin 94 but I haven't tried it in my new 92 Rossi as of yet. If you just want a plinking boolit try somehing around 150 to 158 grain in a plain base. The RCBS 150 grain has a great reputation. Something faster burning such as 231, Zip or Unique will work well with that weight. Neil

[exile]

Thanks guys. I have never gone deer hunting (yet) but am interested in this bullet for long-range plinking and possibly deer as was mentioned. Maybe this mold would be just a good excuse to get into casting which I would very much like to do. Great information, thanks again, God Bless.

[Bret4207]

One of the nice things with the Elmer Keith 358429 is that it's got fair sized parts, so to speak, so you can tell if you're getting good fill out and square bases. Darn good mould to start with.

[9.3X62AL]

+1 to Bret's text. I didn't buy this mold until about 5 years ago, getting by in 38 Special with Lyman #358477 for 20+ years. It was and is a good design, but #358429 puts it in the shade for accuracy. My higher-pressure 357 Magnum work got done with either #358156 (Thompson 155 grain gas-checked SWC) or #358430 (195 grain blunt RN). After 5 years, the LAST 38/357 mould I would ever part with would be the #358429.

[exile]

I just asked this question in another forum because someone mentioned # 358429, but I guess the best place to ask it is here. Does anyone have a favorite load, not a barn-burner, for use with this boolit and .38 special cases? I have a couple of Lyman manuals, Lee, Speer and Hornady as well, but with the price of components now, I would be interested in people's opinions. Might cut down on some fruitless experimentation. Thanks. Exile.

[Ben]

In 38 Special cases, start with 5.0 grs. Unique with the 358429. That load is amazingly accurate in a good 38 Special revolver.

If this load is to be fired in a 357 Mag. revolver, that load could be " inched up " a little more.

Ben

[9.3X62AL]

+1 to Ben's recommendation, or 4.5 grains of WW-231. Both are "full potential/standard pressure" loads, but quite safe for any 38 Special of any vintage--in case you have any of the fine old pre-war Colt Police Positive Specials in the safe.

[MtGun44]

Al -

My 9th grade Latin is pretty rusty, but I read your sig line as "seize the carp!"

Just a word play/multilingual pun on "carpe" or is there something else
there that I am missing? [smilie=1:

And by the way - I agree that the 357429 mold is great. I have had my best groups in my
586 +1 at pretty hot loads, better than the milder loads.

Bill

[9.3X62AL]

MtGun, you got the pun. No double meanings or hidden agendas, not my style.

I haven't yet run #358429 at 357 Magnum intensities, but have done so with #429421 in 44 and 454424 in 45 Colt. Lots to like with both, so I should quit palavering around and load some of the 35s for drill and recreation.

[Bret4207]

My 358429 also seems to like a fairly stout load for better grouping. I don't recall the load, but I had one that was really quite good using Unique in 38 brass in both the 19 and 28 Smiff's. Then I got interested in the 358477 and then the Lee 180FN and then the.....well, you get the idea. Point is that boolit is a good one.

[MtGun44]

In my experience, every time I trust Elmer and do what he says to do, it works
and I learn something. That old man knew a lot about handguns. His boolits
are good ones when used the way he intended.

One example - I tried the 452423 in my Brazilian 1937 which is not much for
accy most of the time. Lots of different mild loads with it were medium crummy
accy wise. I finally worked up the guts to try Elmer's 7.5 gr Unique load and
it suddenly went into a 2" group at 25 yds, by far the best that pistol has ever
done. I'm still scared of the pressure in the old Smith, but it sure DOES shoot
the best at 7.5 Unique, just like Elmer said it would.

That warthog to the left had a 429421 over 20 gr 2400 pass thru the lungs just
before he died. Thanks again, Elmer.

Bill

[Smoke4320]

I betting This would be a great bullet for a 357 herrett as well ?

[DrCaveman]

I betting This would be a great bullet for a 357 herrett as well ?

Most likely would, as it is a great design. All business, very little fluff. Good at longer ranges, and quite potent up close.

Old thread here, but the mold is always a good one to remind people about.

Never shot a 357 herrett. A marlin 336 chambered in that round would be pretty cool

Kind of an alternate to 358 win?

[MtGun44]

WOW! That is a blast from the past. . . . A five year old thread reborn.

Bill

[fecmech]

A five year old thread reborn.
About an excellent 80+year old bullet design. I started in 1970 with a 4 cav 358429 and a 4 cav 358495. I still have the 358429 and shoot it regularly.

[robertbank]

I tried this boolit in my Rossi 20" carbine and didn't have much luck with it. My Rossi has a very slow twist rate and some I have talked to say the gun won't stabilize the heavier boolit. The gun loves the 158 gr though. Anyone else have similar problems with their Rossi?

Boolit works well in my GP-100.

Take Care

Bob

[fecmech]

Anyone else have similar problems with their Rossi?

Bob- 358429 shoots very well(3-4moa@100 yds) out of both my Rossi's with 30" twists. The load is a max load of 296/H110 of 15-16 grs and velocity is 1650 fps. They shoot best crimped in the crimp groove but won't feed at that length. Mine are loaded for my Ruger GP at 1.638 (taper crimped on the front drive band) and they will feed from the mag in my Rossi but just barely. Pushing them hard with the 296 seems to spin them fast enough to stabilize for me.

[robertbank]

Good to know, I'll try it.

Bob

[Smoke4320]

Funny... I did not even look at the dates of the posts .. Was looking up info on the mold..
looks like it should work will for my 357 Herrett though
Thanks