fillers for fire forming

[SlowBurn]

Instead of cream of wheat, are there other fillers used for fire forming?

I have a "new to me" .308 and a large batch of previously fired brass (same head stamp and year) that I want to prep them for load development. Thought I would body size and fire form before starting to work up a load.

Has anyone tried using lightly packed shredded paper? Stupid idea? Thoughts?

Thanks.

[swamp]

I use cornmeal.
swamp

[sawzall]

I've used toilet paper with success. However since you're on cast boolits I'm assuming you have .30 caliber cast boolits to use? Just resize load up some cast and have some fun shooting it. Voila fire formed brass.


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[brstevns]

I use Grits. I also used some steel cut oats my wife had purchased and didn't like.

[MarkP]

malto-meal and corn meal.

[Mk42gunner]

I've always had better luck using a fairly stout load with an actual bullet instead of using cornmeal/ grits/ whatever to reform cases to whatever chamber I was converting it to.

Robert

[lotech]

I haven't fireformed anything in a long time, but have used Cream Of Wheat and toilet paper wad over Bullseye for forming .375 Whelen Improved brass and probably others. Cases were not fully formed and it took a load with a real bullet and suitable powder to fully form. In later years, when forming .411 Hawk brass, I simply made up a cast bullet load and formed the case properly with one firing. This does take a stout, but not necessarily maximum load to fill out the case on one firing. It requires a little experimentation to get the powder charge to the point where full forming occurs, but the effort is worth it. The cast bullet should engage the lands.

Difficult to see an advantage to the filler & wad method of fireforming. I've found it's nothing but additional work.

[fast ronnie]

Cornmeal here then put a drop of paraffin to hold it in place.

[upnorthwis]

When I was first learning to cast, a friend of mine told there's no such thing as a scrap bullet. Use them for fireforming.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Boolits with standard boolit loads is my fireforming technique of choice.

[runfiverun]

see post number-6
the brass needs to have the molecular structure aligned properly and the only way to get there is with pressure and heat.
I routinely use jacketed loads to fire-form my cast boolit brass I want to make my 'best' loads with.

[9.3X62AL]

No fillers used to fire-form my 35 Whelen brass into 9.3 x 62 brass--just a full/safe pressure load of WC-852/fast lot under a 9mm Makarov JHP (Hornady) at 3100 FPS, and then went jackrabbit and ground squirrel strafing. Great results on both the brass and the varmints. The CZ-550's Mauser-type claw extractor helped things a bit, I am sure. To be clear, this re-form includes a shoulder being blown forward about 1/10".......it did the job handily.

[Reverend Al]

Bulk yellow cornmeal has always worked well for me ...

[SlowBurn]

thanks everyone for your advice - I guess I won't be the one to try shredded paper as a fire forming filler

[9.3X62AL]

thanks everyone for your advice - I guess I won't be the one to try shredded paper as a fire forming filler

I wouldn't DARE try that where I live. Talk about wildland fire-starting, with enhancements for aggravated mopery and intent to gawk.

[runfiverun]

but you'd be an internet sensation.

[pugjunga123]

Cornmeal

[tdoor4570]

I just use my not so great cast boolits to fire form brass when I need to or want to set up some brass for a certin rifle has always worked well for me

[GONRA]

GONRA has commented (endlessly) on "fillers".
Really watchout with NECKED CARTRIDGES guys.
KABOOM with "too much" filler!!!

Better to Just Not Doit with "necked cartridges.

[Ballistics in Scotland]

Any danger with fillers and small charges, which can be exaggerated, appears to attach principally to light fillers which position the powder, but have little real mass or volume. There is a slight chance of a pressure wave building up. With a solid filler like those named here (or coarse sawdust) the situation is quite different. The minimum charge which will fireform brass is harmless.

[smokeywolf]

I wouldn't DARE try that where I live. Talk about wildland fire-starting, with enhancements for aggravated mopery and intent to gawk.

Brings back memories. As I recall, that was, "mopery and gapery with intent to gawk". And don't forget, the other all time favorites, "comtept of cop" and "ugly in public".

I don't use filler. Just a mild to moderate load.

[WRideout]

I haven't tried it myself, but I suspect you want something granular that will flow. Fibrous stuff tends to wrap together.

Wayne

[rfd]

i'd never use fillers but i do use a straight wall expander and not waste powder, lead nor primer. 8-)

[alamogunr]

see post number-6
the brass needs to have the molecular structure aligned properly and the only way to get there is with pressure and heat.
I routinely use jacketed loads to fire-form my cast boolit brass I want to make my 'best' loads with.

I have some 110 gr. jacketed that I ended up with in some trade a few years ago and that I have no use for. Would these work to fire form some 7.65X53 Argentine that were formed from .270 Win? I tried COW and the end result wasn't satisfying. My powder charge may have been too light. I'm comparing new brass with the fire formed brass.

[DonMountain]

I have some 110 gr. jacketed that I ended up with in some trade a few years ago and that I have no use for. Would these work to fire form some 7.65X53 Argentine that were formed from .270 Win? I tried COW and the end result wasn't satisfying. My powder charge may have been too light. I'm comparing new brass with the fire formed brass.

I believe that a boolet of small weight helps the powder combustion provide the pressure required to swell up the case to the chamber while forcing the casehead back to the bolt. I recently converted some Winchester 30-30 brass to 32-40 Winchester by just resizing in the 32-40 die without the expander ball to reduce the casing to fit into the chamber, and then seated a .308 boolet of about 115 grains and only 5.0 grains of Red Dot and fired them in the 32-40 rifle. The added pressure of the smaller boolet forced the casing out to look just like it was made that way. Perfectly smooth and ready to fire with the 32-40 cast boolets.

[GONRA]

Ballistics in Scotland - GONRA knows from actual (unfortunate) experience
shootin' 7.62x54R Russian in a 1940 Tokarev rifle decades ago,
that TOO MUCH (cut off point difficult to determine!) "fluffy filler"
WILL get compressed to the "material’s solid density" whilst moving thru the cartridge shoulder and neck.
Having it CONTINE thru, then out-the-barrel requires EXTRUSION PRESSURES
that are FAR HIGHER than the CHAMBER PRESSURES we are used to dealing with.
KABOOM!!!!!

(My “misadventure” began with (Hatcher’s?) American Rifleman
cast boolit for full powered .30-06 and 7.62mm NATO article waaaay back in 1960’s. After that, American Rifleman eventually retracted the “filler advice”. No explanation WHY, but there MUST have been some “KABOOMS” with guys who used ”too much”,)

[racepres]

I don't have any secret recipe..For 22/30 Oresky [22/30 MMJ] I use Whatever bullet I'm going to use anyway.
For 7TCU, I use Boolits touching the Rifling and mid to slightly higher Loads.
6mm- '06, and reformed ctgs of whatever '06 class to 7X57 or 8x57 get a stout load of Unique, or half that of Bullseye, fill case with cream of wheat /cornmeal/malto-meal...etc...then press a plug of Bullet lube that has been melted into an ashtray...about 1/8 inch or a bit less thick and cooled, into the mouth of the case...
If the Primer protrudes...ya need more powder! [regardless of filler vs projectile].
I especially like to fireform 8X57's with "cornmeal filler" in Milsurps...It has a sort of bore cleaning effect!!!!
Or I might be Hallucinating that last bit...

[leadman]

My Encore 7mm Rem Mag 28" barrel has a slightly long chamber from case to belt. This is not the measured headspace with a belted case so there seems to some variation in this dimension, along with the new cases being short from the belt to the shoulder. I have even measured some cases with belts on the small side. This lead to very short case life, even when fireformed with a bullet jammed into the rifling. Twenty grains of Unique and the rest of the case filled with Cream of Wheat and a wax plug to keep it in forms the case fully and case life is more than 5 loading this way.
When I form 30-30 to 30-30 Ackley Improved I do as Ackley wrote. I use a stout load with a bullet, cast or jacketed, and they form well on the first shot.
I do believe that there are times when one method is more effective than another.

[firefly1957]

Funny you should mention shredded paper i had a big tang jar full of the bits from the old paper computer tapes i used it for years then ran out not i use cream of wheat .
,Things to never use is flour or corn starch under pressure they turn to rock! I was trying to make a fireball noise maker for a reactive target had a strong pipe we would put black powder in and the shot would set off the charge if it hit the target containing percussion caps. Normally we put sand over powder i tried flour and it blew the pipe up ! The flour was caked to the pipe sides and hard as a rock what was blown out did not light either .

[msinc]

I have to ask.....what is the problem, or have you had a problem with cream of wheat, to the point that you have to seek another "stand-in"???????

[racepres]

I have to ask.....what is the problem, or have you had a problem with cream of wheat, to the point that you have to seek another "stand-in"???????

I have never. have run some pretty aggressive FF loads thru Milsurps [..I use corn meal/cream of wheat etc, because as I stated earlier...I feel it may have a "scrubbing" effect on the Bore!!
I like it because it is Bulky but don't seem to Compress into a "Blob". Paper??? no thanks i'm thinking too dense..fold and stay folded...

[SlowBurn]

Thanks all for the responses.


Funny you should mention shredded paper i had a big tang jar full of the bits from the old paper computer tapes i used it for years then ran out not i use cream of wheat .

Would have considered using computer card punches if I still had some left. How tight did you pack the paper tape bits?


I have to ask.....what is the problem, or have you had a problem with cream of wheat, to the point that you have to seek another "stand-in"???????

no problem - just considering options - the paper patch guys seem to like the cleaning action from their paper; just thought paper might be helpful for fire-forming too. If someone knew a guy that heard from another guy that his third cousin, twice removed tried it and blew up his rifle, then I'd be less likely to try it out. :)

thanks again for the feedback

[Taylor]

Grits

[racepres]

Grits
LOL
Lucky for me I like grits...but, I am Wondering if it does a better job of Bore Scrubbing than Corn meal??

[Taylor]

I used grits to make .410 of .303 brit. Worked fine,took about 3 firing's.Now I have a 50 round box of brass .410 shells.Kinda short for my bolt gun though.But they look pretty.

If you think about it,grits come from corn and are courser. (?,did I spell that right).

[racepres]

I used grits to make .410 of .303 brit. Worked fine,took about 3 firing's.Now I have a 50 round box of brass .410 shells.Kinda short for my bolt gun though.But they look pretty.

If you think about it,grits come from corn and are courser. (?,did I spell that right).

I don't do Spell-check...but, I only needed 2 Firings to get my 303 to 410!
I am using a card overpowder wad,and a card over shot, then Wax.
Are you using a "wad"???
OOps...Major side track!!!!

[Taylor]

Same here,but I did find that if I annealed them first,I got a better piece of brass.---sorry OP.

[racepres]

Same here,but I did find that if I annealed them first,I got a better piece of brass.---sorry OP.

Biggrin!!!!

[Reverend Al]

I used grits to make .410 of .303 brit. Worked fine,took about 3 firing's.

I've been fire-forming .303 British into .410 Musket for my single shot smoothbore No. 1 Lee Enfield and have had great success with 6.5 grains of Nitro 100 (old formula), 1/4 sheet of toilet tissue, cornmeal to just below the case mouth, and another 1/4 sheet of toilet tissue to hold it all in place. They "snap out" into fully formed cases in one go ...

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I used the same fire-forming load in Norma 9.3x74R cases to fire-form 50 rounds of full length 3" .410 brass shotgun hulls and to form some "shooter" brass for my .40-90 Ballard No. 5 Pacific ...

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[Reverend Al]

The funny thing is that the exact same load in my .410 O&U shotgun fully formed the 9.3x74R cases right down to the bases, but in the Ballard they formed about the top 2/3'rds of the case and the bases are still just slightly undersized. They'll blow out all the way on the next firing with a full charge of powder and a 400 grain cast boolit though so not to worry ...

[Lead pot]

If you would ever see what corn meal ends up like swaging it in a swage die. You would think twice using it for a filler in a bottle neck case. :) You can load that swaged corn meal like a bullet. Just think what the pressure spike would be forcing it through a sharp shouldered BN case neck.

[Reverend Al]

I've never used cornmeal filler to fire-form bottle necked cases ... just for blowing straight or BN cases out into a straight case as in both of these examples ...

[Lead pot]

:) >50 caliber cup based corn meal bullet. It would make a good bore lead removal bullet :)
http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww43/Kurtalt/d63458f0-6609-4fb8-befc-6a3b6fd7afb1_zpspmugrwv9.jpg (http://s704.photobucket.com/user/Kurtalt/media/d63458f0-6609-4fb8-befc-6a3b6fd7afb1_zpspmugrwv9.jpg.html)

[NoAngel]

I just loaded 100 7-30 waters for a friend. I looked high and low for some cream of wheat or grits...all out. Quick Oats worked just fine. 6g of Titewad, filler up with quick oats and stuff some TP in the mouth. Worked very well. Out of 100, I only had to do (2) of them twice.

[racepres]

Never used oatmeal!!!!
Course...I never used TP either..I always have cut out a casemouth full of wax..

[NoAngel]

Why? It worked great. I fired it into a bucket full of foam and cardboard. Blew the bottom out several times and had to layer more cardboard, but it worked great.

[racepres]

Why? It worked great. I fired it into a bucket full of foam and cardboard. Blew the bottom out several times and had to layer more cardboard, but it worked great.


Oh... IDK the why...I just want a bit more "restriction" for my FF loads..I find that "cereal" works for Bulk, and the Wax "plug" makes handling pretty much trouble free...
But, hey if TP is working...Don't change..
I don't think there is a "right" nor "wrong" way to do this deed...The end result is what matters...
and having more than one tool in the box, is good...

[racepres]

:) >50 caliber cup based corn meal bullet. It would make a good bore lead removal bullet :)
http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww43/Kurtalt/d63458f0-6609-4fb8-befc-6a3b6fd7afb1_zpspmugrwv9.jpg (http://s704.photobucket.com/user/Kurtalt/media/d63458f0-6609-4fb8-befc-6a3b6fd7afb1_zpspmugrwv9.jpg.html)


By the way...I need some of those in 7mm for a Poor Milsurp barrel I have
Please tell me how to make them!!!
Yes I am Serious!!!

[Ballistics in Scotland]

:) >50 caliber cup based corn meal bullet. It would make a good bore lead removal bullet :)
http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww43/Kurtalt/d63458f0-6609-4fb8-befc-6a3b6fd7afb1_zpspmugrwv9.jpg (http://s704.photobucket.com/user/Kurtalt/media/d63458f0-6609-4fb8-befc-6a3b6fd7afb1_zpspmugrwv9.jpg.html)

Now that, or something cork dust based, looks like the right technology for something many believe in but I believe is normally pretty futile, namely using a lubed felt wad behind a round ball, mostly in a cap and ball revolver. Although fine with a flat base, it tends to become dish-shaped on the rear of a ball, and neither lubes nor seals. All you would need is the right sized tube, one flat punch and one concave.

I'm surprised this thread has lasted so well, for it is about case preparation, not shooting. That takes a lot less than normal chamber pressure, and a breech explosion, which normally starts with ruptured brass, takes a lot more. I don't think you can go wrong by using as small a charge and as much blockage as will do the job. I grew up in a family with wartime merchant navy sailors on both sides, and farmers on one, so I'd still have a hangup about using even cheap food when coarse sawdust or paper will do just as well.

So, of course, will bullets. But not everybody lives near the place he shoots, or can start reloading when he gets there. I've done fireforming with fillers into a heavy gauge aluminium cylinder, such as bars use for the artistic improvement of beer. With a heavy rag to close off the neck and save the barrel bluing, you could do it in a house. Maybe in an apartment it might produce complaints, but they would think it was complaints about something else.

There are very few unusually dimensioned .308 chambers, so it offers less advantage in fireforming than most others. The .303, in many military rifles, benefits far more, provided that you have dies that don't undo it again.

[Ballistics in Scotland]

Please tell me how to make them!!!
Yes I am Serious!!!

Oh dear, I thought you knew... Some sort of binding agent, obviously, most likely either a glue like PVA or a wax.

[Ballistics in Scotland]

If you would ever see what corn meal ends up like swaging it in a swage die. You would think twice using it for a filler in a bottle neck case. :) You can load that swaged corn meal like a bullet. Just think what the pressure spike would be forcing it through a sharp shouldered BN case neck.

The difference is that swaging it would apply the same unit thrust, aka pressure, to all parts of the front as well as the back, and in a bottlenecked case it wouldn't. I think the middle would be blown through the edges.

Besides, that shoulder is exactly what you most want to fireform. Use just enough powder to accomplish that, and you have a fraction of the pressure spike rifles are accustomed to.

[mcpilot]

I came across a big canister of sugar free metamucil. It works great and is known for keeping things moving!

[MostlyLeverGuns]

I have used wheat bran, corn meal, cream of wheat - no difference noted. I do lubricate the cases like I would for full-length resizing. I usually use a thin wax plug but have used a ball of tissue in the neck to hold things together. Rimmed cartridges - load and shoot 'normal loads' - lubricate case to help fill out smoothly.

[Lead pot]

The reason I posted this is to make one think about what they stuff down in a bottleneck case, especially one with sharp shoulders. If I can make a bullet with corn meal with just the fraction of pressure that a load of powder produces plus the heat that would bring out the oil that is in the corn to bind the compressed filler harder that would raise the pressure spike even more. I have seen posts from people using very fast pistol and shotgun powder and fill the case with some sort of filler thinking a light load will be safe. In my lifetime I have seen the results of what can happen including myself ending up with a brass coated chamber and stuck bolts forming wildcat rounds.

Y'all have a Happy Thanksgiving......Kurt

[racepres]

The reason I posted this is to make one think about what they stuff down in a bottleneck case, especially one with sharp shoulders. If I can make a bullet with corn meal with just the fraction of pressure that a load of powder produces plus the heat that would bring out the oil that is in the corn to bind the compressed filler harder that would raise the pressure spike even more. I have seen posts from people using very fast pistol and shotgun powder and fill the case with some sort of filler thinking a light load will be safe. In my lifetime I have seen the results of what can happen including myself ending up with a brass coated chamber and stuck bolts forming wildcat rounds.

Y'all have a Happy Thanksgiving......Kurt

^^ so, I assume [good word huh?] that you prefer a cast bullet, contacting the rifling, and enough "charge" to fully form???

Won't work for 410 out of 303's tho ...Not too many folks do that I don't think...

[Lead pot]

If I would ever feel I need to use .303 brass for a .410 I would anneal the brass and expand the case neck to the right dimensions and I would load the round with the starting load and shoot it. The same would go forming cases from a parent case for cases not made for the caliber and after running them through case forming die or sizing die that is for the caliber and I would load it at the starting load with the bullet for the caliber and have trigger time forming the brass.
I don't shoot to much high power anymore just the vintage black powder rifles and cases like the .44-90 bn Sharps I had to forn the case from .44 basic and fire form the final fit. Mostly I used the bullet for the bore or if I had to blow the shoulders out from a shorter case I would anneal the case with a full load of black and use a bees wax wad cut with the case mouth and keep that wax wad in the neck and shoot it. This will blow the shoulder out close to what fits the chamber and the second load with a bullet will finish the job. I would never use a filler in a bottle neck case.

[racepres]

^^ I agree...that is a Way..
I don't own any special dies..certainly No Forming dies.
I own more than a Few Wildcats...I treat them differently, depending on forming required.
I have sent many pounds of Cream of Wheat into the Pond for Fish Food...
Gonna do it again very soon...Not saying anyone should do it...Just that I do...Yet, some rounds, I wouldn't dream of it...The 7tcu for instance shoots fire forming loads nearly as well as regular loadings...


BTW I'm gonna make me some of them "corn cob" bullets!!!
Too lazy to scrub this old bore I'm working on!!!!

[Lead pot]

Back when the .22 varminter was popular, before they made it the .22-250 I formed some cases from the .250-3000 savage cases and I had a little problem getting the shoulders blown out. They looked like a Weatherby's rounded shoulder. I was told to fill the rest of the case with corn meal and seat your bullet over a starting load of 4320 and shoot it. I did that and thank God I had this rifle barreled on a 98 action because when I let it go it knocked my hat off my head and I gad to use a mallet to open the bolt and all that came out was the case head and the action was brass plated. This happened back in the late 50's and never again have I used a filler for anything.

Hey, Hope you had a great Thanksgiving and have a Merry Christmas.

[racepres]

^^^ Yeowch!!!
I would never...ever, put anything but powder [not even daycron or pillow fluff] Nothing under a Bullet...A plug of Wax works excellent, instead of a Projectile!!!
The problem is...the "filler" weighs something...some more than others, but something, and I am pretty sure Pillow filling compresses quite badly...Or my bitter half bought me a Cheap pillow!!!!!


BTW Had a Great Turkey Day!!!
Looking forward to Christmas...And the After Midnight Mass Party!!!!!

[firefly1957]

I did not pack the paper just filled the case up then pressed the case mouth in a third inch hard wax to hole it in i not only fireformed with it but used it as a blank load keeping in mind not to point it at anything.

Thanks all for the responses.



Would have considered using computer card punches if I still had some left. How tight did you pack the paper tape bits?



no problem - just considering options - the paper patch guys seem to like the cleaning action from their paper; just thought paper might be helpful for fire-forming too. If someone knew a guy that heard from another guy that his third cousin, twice removed tried it and blew up his rifle, then I'd be less likely to try it out. :)

thanks again for the feedback

[Iowa Fox]

^^^ Yeowch!!!
I would never...ever, put anything but powder [not even daycron or pillow fluff] Nothing under a Bullet...A plug of Wax works excellent, instead of a Projectile!!!
The problem is...the "filler" weighs something...some more than others, but something, and I am pretty sure Pillow filling compresses quite badly...Or my bitter half bought me a Cheap pillow!!!!!


BTW Had a Great Turkey Day!!!
Looking forward to Christmas...And the After Midnight Mass Party!!!!!

Same here. Nothing but a plug of sticky bullet lube for me. Pointed straight up with Bullseye and that sticky plug they fireform every time. I just save all the goobers from the lube sizers in a tuna can and melt to the thickness I want for the case I'm doing. Charge the case, hold it straight up and hold the tuna can in the left hand and poke the neck into the layer of lube. Works slick.

[rundownbear]

I've used COW, Grex and wax plugs. Everyone needs some measure of cleanup afterwards but could not tell the difference in results

[racepres]

Same here. Nothing but a plug of sticky bullet lube for me. Pointed straight up with Bullseye and that sticky plug they fireform every time. I just save all the goobers from the lube sizers in a tuna can and melt to the thickness I want for the case I'm doing. Charge the case, hold it straight up and hold the tuna can in the left hand and poke the neck into the layer of lube. Works slick.


Yep

Thinking of doing some 250 savage from 22-250, with just B.E., COW, and Wax plug...

Edit; Except the "straight up" part... I feed the fish in the pond!!!