New Henry Single Shots

[sghart3578]

It looks like Henry is trying to fill the void left by the closure of H&R. In the video fast forward to the 20:30 mark. The owner starts discussing the shotguns and then the rifles. They will be available in January 2017. I am going to buy a 45-70.

Steve in N CA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InJK8hlD_NY&feature=youtu.be&t=1242

[GhostHawk]

Interesting for sure. Might be one way to get a good shooting .357 mag, .44mag or .45lc.

I suspect the prices will be higher than most will like.

But they sure are pretty.
Be interesting to see what calibers they end up with.

[Ickisrulz]

It would be excellent if...

Available in pistol calibers
The trigger guard is not plastic
Interchangeable barrels
Not too expensive

[Four-Sixty]

Good news indeed! I just hope they aren't $600...

[flint45]

The rifle in the vidio sure looked good but if its gonna have that good of grade of wood its gonna cost sume money my guess is over $500 bucks

[Elias Graves]

I like that. Had an NEF shotgun that I liked but looked at some new H&Rs last year and was very disappointed. Ended up with a CVA instead.
I really like this one, though. Nice looking wood.

[Dan Cash]

Fine looking wood, metal looks like it is painted; gag.

[timspawn]

http://tippmannarmory.com/product_rollingblock357.html

[Ickisrulz]

http://tippmannarmory.com/product_rollingblock357.html


I had never heard of this rifle. A little research showed they are around $900. I found this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs29ojjDcIU

[Traffer]

I hope they make a version of the H&R Buffalo Classic. And sell it for under $200. That is what I hope.

[historicfirearms]

I'd be willing to pay more for a nicely finished single shot. The H&Rs are good guns but I just can't get over their cheapish fit and finish. Good blueing and nicer walnut would get me interested in this new rifle. Stay away from plastic anything as well.

[NavyVet1959]

The H&R single shot rifles were affordable, accurate, and they had a reasonably priced barrel replacement program. If the Henry single shot is much more than that, they will be in the price range of the Thompson Contenders / Encores.

From an engineering perspective, I like the simplicity of the design of the rolling blocks. From what I've read, they also have the advantage on shooting from the bench since you can reload without taking the rifle off of the rest (unlike the break action rifles).

If a company would make a rolling block that allowed for quickly replaceable barrels, that would be nice to see.

[NoAngel]

You can bet they are gonna be higher than H&R was.
Henry makes some of the best fit & finished rifles in the industry FOR THE MONEY

If the price is palatable, I can see picking up a .308 and sending it to JES to make it a .358 Win
God knows they won't build one themselves. Or maybe they will make a .357 mag and one could just ream the chamber.

My one hope and prayer is that they care enough to use a hardened steel barrel lug. H&R's weakest link is that. Heavy loads will peen the lug and loosen the rifle. It's what keeps me from loading my .358 Win Handi to it's full potential.
Triggers can be touched up but that is one thing that can't feasibly be done.

[FergusonTO35]

I hope Henry doesn't try to make the new single shots as cheap rifles. The days when hunters selected a single shot because of price are long over, you can now buy a Savage Axis or Ruger American for the same price or less. Make them reasonably priced with good quality and interchangeable barrels and they will be a success.

That little single shot carbine in the video is just sexy! I'll take one in .357 and .32-20 please.:awesome:

[Ickisrulz]

I have been looking at Henry's site from time to time hoping to see the new rifles. There isn't anything yet. You'd think they'd get something on there to generate some interest. I am amazed when companies have websites but fail to keep them current.

[tranders]

I'd be willing to pay more for a nicely finished single shot. The H&Rs are good guns but I just can't get over their cheapish fit and finish. Good blueing and nicer walnut would get me interested in this new rifle. Stay away from plastic anything as well.

I agree. I'm willing to pay more for nice wood and blueing.

[northmn]

There is a void after the Handi Rifles. I picked up a 243 that I now enjoy but when they brought out the box as they had a floor model. The rifle in the box would not open correctly and the clerk tried oiling it then brought another one which works. The one I have now is accurate, trigger not too bad and a lot of fun. They used to have an ejector, but this one has an extractor. Rossi has single shots that are comparable to the NEF. CVA has nice ones in a better caliber selection. I suspect Henry will have a better one, but in what calibers? While I like the 243, it would be nice to have a 30-30 or some other caliber in a cast bullet plinker. Looked at the You Tube, it won't be cheap. It looks like a fancied up H&R.

DP

[FergusonTO35]

And that's just fine with me. The original H&R/NEF guns were humble but well made for their ridiculously low price point. My NEF .410 cost dad a whopping $69.95 brand new when he bought it for my 12th Christmas in 1990. It is not a bad looking little gun that has served me well since then and it will do the same for my kids when they are ready for it. The Remlin H&R's I looked at were ugly and crudely finished at inflated prices and I am not sorry to see them go.

[Leadmelter]

I still have a H&R Huntsman in 58 cal that I bought for $65 in 1973 when I worked in Ford Rouge Steel.
I want to get it out some day and send some those fat boys down range next summer. It has been a while.
Too many toys, too little time!
Leadmelter
MI

[hc18flyer]

Today I sent an email to Anthony Imperato thru the Henry Rifle website, expressing my interest in the new single shots. I stated that in addition to 223, 243,308, and 45-70, we cast bulletshooters would love to see 35 Rem and/or 358 win. Over the course of the day I received 2 replies, saying they would consider it. I hope others will express interest and just maybe they will offer a 35 call? Thanks, hc18flyer

[Buckshot Bill]

I'll be down for one in .357 mag and .44 mag if they are reasonably priced. Interchangeable barrels would be nice but I won't hold my breath on that one. I like the looks better than a contender carbine already and that is about the only break open single shot option out there with any caliber choices

[FergusonTO35]

.38-55 and/or .375 WCF would be sweet!

[Outpost75]

How much does the darned thing weigh? I have no need for any 8 pound single-shot rifles, but would be very interested in a 5-6 lb. rifle for under $500.

[dverna]

Today I sent an email to Anthony Imperato thru the Henry Rifle website, expressing my interest in the new single shots. I stated that in addition to 223, 243,308, and 45-70, we cast bulletshooters would love to see 35 Rem and/or 358 win. Over the course of the day I received 2 replies, saying they would consider it. I hope others will express interest and just maybe they will offer a 35 call? Thanks, hc18flyer

Thanks for the info.

I was hoping they would offer a .357 Mag but it does not look like that is happening....at least initially. My quest is to find an accurate rifle that will shoot .38/.357 without flinging brass all over the place. I want to be able to mount a scope as well.

Don Verna

[NoAngel]

I sent my email to him today concerning the .358 winchester.

I'd be happy with any 35 caliber with the exception of the whelen. I'd be happy to void the warranty on my barrel with a simple reamer job and take a 357 mag or 35 rem to .358 winchester. I've done both already on a H&R and a CVA and it's a simple thing to do.

[Buckshot Bill]

How much does the darned thing weigh? I have no need for any 8 pound single-shot rifles, but would be very interested in a 5-6 lb. rifle for under $500.

It looks like a nice fairly dainty rifle. I bet it's a lot lighter than a handi.

[hpdrifter]

Why do they go to the trouble to make a nice looking rifle, from the utube, then insist on the garish receiver/barrel junction?

Looking forward to eyeing one and make a decision from there. I'd like to see increased caliber options myself.

I really don't see why to start with 3006, 270. I think 308, 243, 357, 44mag would be better. Although, I'd much rather 45 Colt over 44 mag.

[leadman]

I watched the above linked video then saw another video on the Henry "Long Ranger" lever action rifle. I had not heard of these but look good and available in high pressure cartridges like the 308 Win. Has a rotating bolt.
Glad to see some new innovations hitting the market from a good firm like Henry.

[Ickisrulz]

I am looking forward to the new single shots. I expect them to be well made and without plastic parts. Henry dumped plastic parts from their center fire line sometime ago. I predict the MRSP to be about $650 with a Bud's price of about $500. I would like one in a pistol cartridge. 41 magnum would be nice.

[Multigunner]

I'd rather see a falling block single shot with your choice of takedown barrels , with an offset rimfire barrel option.
Not that I have anything against the break action single shots, and in fact they may be quicker and easier to reload.

Two sizes of falling block actions with lightweight rifles for the rimfire, pistol calibers and light centerfire rifle calibers to use for small to medium game and a heavier action for the more powerful cartridges and longer range target work. It was a good system a century or more in the past and remains a good idea.
I've already come up with an improved method of attaching the barrels , both to make the lock up stronger and very consistent from one barrel to another without wear to the receiver, which I figure I'll keep under my hat for now.

[dubber123]

Has anyone seen any still photos of this gun yet? I'd like to be able to look it over a bit, and had no luck finding any photos. Thanks.

[Ickisrulz]

Has anyone seen any still photos of this gun yet? I'd like to be able to look it over a bit, and had no luck finding any photos. Thanks.


http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/singleshot.jpg

[Ickisrulz]

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/10/daniel-zimmerman/new-henry-repeating-arms-shotguns-single-shot-rifle/

[dubber123]

Thanks, it looks better than many of the recently available single shots. I guess I will have to wait and see what cals are available and the price.

[Elias Graves]

http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z352/ElijahGardener/gun/53F7035C-BE7D-4B40-95D3-07BECB189A8A_zpsoyvberyl.png


http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z352/ElijahGardener/gun/972FCF7A-3BFE-4715-A92E-4D1B9CDB4120_zpsteeemul8.png

[txkeeter]

saw the msrp at 427.00

[dubber123]

saw the msrp at 427.00

Good news, any chance they listed available calibers?

[725]

Love that style, but $427 is steep for me.

[marlin39a]

If the walnut is decent, and if they make it in .22 Hornet, I'd be in.

[Mossy Oak]

I'm with you Marlin39a, a .22 Hornet would be a nice addition.

[Ickisrulz]

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2016/11/22/new-henry-models-include-410-lever-action-shotguns/

A series of single-shot center-fire rifles include initial offerings with a blued steel receiver or a hardened brass receiver, in calibers .44 Mag., .45-70, .223, .243, and .308 with a 22” round blued steel barrel. The receivers are drilled and tapped for optional scope use and the semi-buckhorn rear sight and brass bead front sight. The models use a familiar locking lever on top of the frame, behind the external hammer spur to break open for loading and unloading, wihch can be pivoted left or right from its center position to unlock. The action has no external manual safety; it uses a rebounding hammer that can’t touch the firing pin unless the trigger is deliberately pulled, and an interlock system that doesn’t allow the barrel to open if the hammer is cocked, or the barrel to close if the hammer’s cocked while it’s open. MSRP for all of the steel models is $427; the hardened brass versions are chambered in .44 Mag. and .45-70 Gov't and share an MSRP of $549.

[Blanket]

would love a 38-55

[glockky]

I'm in for a 38-55 or 375 win

[pressonregardless]

Kinda' surprised they skipped over offering it in .357. Wonder what the twist rate the 44 Mag barrel
will be.

[richhodg66]

Maybe .38-55, or .348 Winchester? I'd like to see it chambered in a few of the classic, rimmed cartridges. If a smaller frame is made, a .22 Hornet, .218 Bee, .25-20, .32-20 maybe?

[Elias Graves]

I want one in 22lr!

[Taylor]

I'm a thinking ---muzzle loader---

[dverna]

I hate to break the news....but marketing a gun to the wants/needs of the cast bullet crowd would be a stupid move. They need to establish initial sales volume with calibers most people want. As that happens, look to see other calibers added. Sending them caliber requests can help but it will take a while.

BTW, ask your LGS if they would ever order a new production rifle in .218 Bee, .25/20, .348, .38/55 etc etc. Then look at the reaction you get.

Don Verna

[Ickisrulz]

I hate to break the news....but marketing a gun to the wants/needs of the cast bullet crowd would be a stupid move. They need to establish initial sales volume with calibers most people want. As that happens, look to see other calibers added. Sending them caliber requests can help but it will take a while.

BTW, ask your LGS if they would ever order a new production rifle in .218 Bee, .25/20, .348, .38/55 etc etc. Then look at the reaction you get.

Don Verna

Hopefully this will be a good and popular enough platform to get a third party interested in making custom barrels.

[rundownbear]

Many of the wishes expressed here are already covered by other Mfgs models. Companies look for a niche`, not a duplication of another's products.

[Smoke4320]

saw the msrp at 427.00

If MSRP is $427.00 the selling price will be more like $350.00 to $375.00 and if made to the same Henry quality and good looking wood worth it in my opinion

[kenyerian]

Looks good to me! I will probably get one in 44 mag .

[FergusonTO35]

I can see a .44 in my future! .30 WCF or .38-55/.375 would be sweet too. Something about a basic single shot launching a big hunk of lead from a rimmed cartridge just calls to me.

[Ickisrulz]

I shot Henry an e-mail today and asked a couple questions. Here's what they said:

1. Barrels will not be interchangable
2. The 44 Mag will have a 38" twist
3. The trigger guards are steel

It looks like it will be a very nice rifle at a reasonable cost. I will probably get a 44 mag myself.

[dverna]

At a market price of under $400 they should sell quite a few. The .223 would make a nice light varmint rig if it has the accuracy. I think the .45/70 will hurt.

Don Verna

[dubber123]

I shot Henry an e-mail today and asked a couple questions. Here's what they said:

1. Barrels will not be interchangable
2. The 44 Mag will have a 38" twist
3. The trigger guards are steel

It looks like it will be a very nice rifle at a reasonable cost. I will probably get a 44 mag myself.

Swing and a miss on the 44's twist. You would think they could have learned from Marlins mistake :)

[FergusonTO35]

How big a boolit will 1:38 stabilize? I would just be looking to launch a plain base ~250 grainer around 1300 fps. I've even got some fresh range brass to get started!

[glockky]

Definately would be a good one to send to JES and have rebored to 38/55, 375 win, or 358 win.

By the way I sent an email to Henry the other day stating that if they would make the 44 mags and 45 colts in a faster twist say 1-20" they would sell a lot of them. I told him they could offer them as say a hunter model.
He seemed very receptive to the idea and told me he was going to send the info to his design team.

[dubber123]

How big a boolit will 1:38 stabilize? I would just be looking to launch a plain base ~250 grainer around 1300 fps. I've even got some fresh range brass to get started!

You won't have any problems with that load/twist. Most complaints come from shooters using the 300+ grain boolits/bullets. I got excellent accuracy from my 1-38 Marlin using 270's at 1,700+. A faster twist would have no downside I can see, I hope they rethink their choice of 1-38.

[dragon813gt]

Swing and a miss on the 44's twist. You would think they could have learned from Marlins mistake :)

I laughed out loud when I saw the twist rate. I don't have any 44s but am aware if this issue. You'd think the manufacturers would be by now.

[Traffer]

I am excited about this gun because it is one of the few that fit into my budget. For you guys out there who know about 45/70's...I am hoping that my next gun is a 45/70. I was going to try and find a H&R Buffalo Classic BUT, If Henry makes a similar gun I will get one. I want to shoot paper patched both black powder and smokeless. I also want to experiment with powder coating the mighty slugs. I am a bit confused about the break barrel action strength. Will the H&R's handle fairly hot loads with smokeless powder? What about twist rate? Is there an optimum twist rate that will shoot slow and faster bullets both accurately? I plan on putting a peep sight on it. May hunt white tail in Wisconsin, but primarily for shooting paper. How important is the longer barrel for accuracy? I really hope that Henry makes an equivalent to the Buffalo Classic. I love single shot rifles. Might get one in 22 WMR also. Maybe a 22 Hornet.

[Texas by God]

I want one in 45-70. That's a good looking rifle. I'm looking forward to handling one. Best, Thomas.

[michael.birdsley]

That .44 mag would make a nice rifle for Michigan's limited rifle zone.


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[FergusonTO35]

If I need to launch 300+ grain slugs I already have a .45-70. For my purposes 1:38 should do just fine.

Must resist the urge to start shopping for dies and molds...:twisted:

[big bore 99]

The 45-70 is a very versatile round. I have an old buffalo classic which is my favorite. I put a Redfield peep and Lyman hood on it. I can load up or down to suit. From poppers to bruisers, it does it all.

[FergusonTO35]

Yes, it is. I'm hoping I can find a suitable substitute for SR4759 as my 1895 absolutely loves the stuff.

[Texas by God]

Call me crazy but I would rechamber the .44 mag to 44-40 just because I'm fond of it. But if it's 7 plus pounds I would choose 45-70.

[skeettx]

WOW!! 30-30 and 35-30
Mike

[FergusonTO35]

Do you mean, .35-30 is going to be a factory chambering for this rifle? Sweet!

[GhostHawk]

I hifhly doubt it, but I would buy it if it was even at 600$

[Ickisrulz]

The new products are on their website now.

https://www.henryrifles.com/rifles/single-shot-rifle/

[NavyVet1959]

The new products are on their website now.

https://www.henryrifles.com/rifles/single-shot-rifle/

For that price, I would rather see it as a rolling block. That's overpriced for a break action.

[Elias Graves]

Oh, I'd love a 22lr but that 223 looks like a fine substitute.

[Ickisrulz]

For that price, I would rather see it as a rolling block. That's overpriced for a break action.

The real world price will be probably close to $350 which seems to be around the price for what is left of the factory new H&R Handi Rifles on Gunbroker. The Henry rifle looks much nicer to me. Henry makes a pretty nice product.

Where can you get a rolling block rifle for the same price?

[NavyVet1959]

The real world price will be probably close to $350 which seems to be around the price for what is left of the factory new H&R Handi Rifles on Gunbroker. The Henry rifle looks much nicer to me. Henry makes a pretty nice product.

Where can you get a rolling block rifle for the same price?

If you look at how simple the rolling block action is, there's no reason why it couldn't be sold for $350.

http://www.rollingblockparts.com/uploads/7/8/7/5/7875298/5529530_orig.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_59GYpEVAu0U/TEJAVOmUe3I/AAAAAAAAATg/kD31TaDvZWY/s1600/rolling-block.jpg

The original 1877 Rolling Block listed for $16-17.

http://gunsmagazine.com/the-remington-no-1-rolling-block/

Adjusting for inflation, that's $359.43-381.90.

http://www.westegg.com/inflation

With modern machinery and less need for skilled machinists for making the parts, I suspect that they could be sold for less than that today.

[Ickisrulz]

If you look at how simple the rolling block action is, there's no reason why it couldn't be sold for $350.

http://www.rollingblockparts.com/uploads/7/8/7/5/7875298/5529530_orig.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_59GYpEVAu0U/TEJAVOmUe3I/AAAAAAAAATg/kD31TaDvZWY/s1600/rolling-block.jpg

The original 1877 Rolling Block listed for $16-17.

http://gunsmagazine.com/the-remington-no-1-rolling-block/

Adjusting for inflation, that's $359.43-381.90.

http://www.westegg.com/inflation

With modern machinery and less need for skilled machinists for making the parts, I suspect that they could be sold for less than that today.

The fact is that today's rolling blocks sell for more than 2X the $350 you think they should sell for.

I think Henry just stepped into a market void left by the passing of the H&R Handi Rifle. It looks a nicer, sells for about the same price, but doesn't have interchangeable barrels. I hope they do well.

[hc18flyer]

I too would prefer a rolling block, but may have to settle for a break action in 45-70. I picked up the Dixie catalog, not ready to drop $1200 on an rb! Tossing around rebarreling a Swede Remington to a 35 rem? Flyer

[RPRNY]

No 30-30, 30-40, 38-55, or 45LC. :(

44 Mag and 45-70 were good calls. I suppose .308, .243 and .223 make sense based on ammunition sales.

Interchangeable barrels and a custom shop will help them a good deal.

[NavyVet1959]

No 30-30, 30-40, 38-55, or 45LC. :(

44 Mag and 45-70 were good calls. I suppose .308, .243 and .223 make sense based on ammunition sales.

Interchangeable barrels and a custom shop will help them a good deal.

If they made the barrels with the exact same linkage as some other rifle which had a large body of aftermarket barrels for it (e.g. Thompson Encore), then that would help a lot.

[dragon813gt]

If I were them I would not make it w/ the same linkage. And I can understand not wanting them to interchange w/ their own barrels. That means less sales of rifles. But the interchangeable barrels would make it great for young kids. Start them out w/ 22lr, then 223, then 243 and so on. Throw in the pistol calibers for fun and one receiver is all one would need from the time they start shooting through adulthood. But they're in this to make money and not make it convenient for us.

[Earlwb]

The new products are on their website now.

https://www.henryrifles.com/rifles/single-shot-rifle/

Those look good. I think that the prices will drop quickly once in the market. Dealers will discount them some when they get them.

[sghart3578]

Several on-line retailers are advertising them. The lowest price I have found so far is $314.87.

I'm sure they will be below $300 next spring. I am waiting to order a 45-70.

[Ickisrulz]

Several on-line retailers are advertising them. The lowest price I have found so far is $314.87.

I'm sure they will be below $300 next spring. I am waiting to order a 45-70.

No kidding? Where?

[sghart3578]

No kidding? Where?

They show the price but no inventory yet.

http://gunsmidwest.com/product/henry-repeating-arms-henry-singleshot-45-70-blwd/

I check pretty often, I really want one of the 45-70's.

Good luck,


Steve in N CA

[GhostHawk]

WOW, that just moved to the top of my list. Thank you for posting.

[buckwheatpaul]

I like the looks and would prefer a rolling block....how strong to you think the action will be, in regards to 45-70? Pet Loads has three sections for the various strength of the actions.....My guess would be it would fall below the Ruger No. 1 and the Marlin 1895.

[NavyVet1959]

I like the looks and would prefer a rolling block....how strong to you think the action will be, in regards to 45-70? Pet Loads has three sections for the various strength of the actions.....My guess would be it would fall below the Ruger No. 1 and the Marlin 1895.

From what I've read, it's a really strong action. The question though is where it would be in relation to the break action. I think it would be above the break action.

Even among rifles of the same type of action, there is considerable variance. From what I understand, the Arisaka was probably one of the strongest bolt actions ever produced.

[sghart3578]

I guess I should email the folks at Henry and ask them.


Steve

[Ickisrulz]

Traditionally, aren't break open actions intended for lower pressure rounds?

[NavyVet1959]

Traditionally, aren't break open actions intended for lower pressure rounds?

Depends upon your definition of "low pressure rounds".

The Thompson Encore has barrels available for it in:


.300 Win Mag -- 64,000 psi
.500 S&W -- 50,000 psi
.30-06 -- 60,200 psi
7mm Rem Mag -- 61,000 psi


I suspect that there is more to it than just pressure though. A caliber that pushes a heavy bullet down the barrel is going to generate more recoil than a caliber that pushes a lighter bullet, even if they are both at the same pressure. That recoil affects the linkages.

For example, a .50 BMG has a pressure of only 54,800 psi, but I know of no break action designs for it. You could *physically* chamber a barrel for .50 BMG on an H&R since their "UltraSlug" comes in 12-gauge and the 12-gauge chamber dimensions are *slightly* larger than the base portion of the .50 BMG cartridge, but I suspect it is questionable whether that would leave enough steel around the chamber to handle 54,800 psi, much less whether the action could survive many rounds of that.

[hpdrifter]

For what it's worth.....

I emailed Anthony suggesting a longer barrel Target version along with a few caliber suggestions.

He responded,"we have some new stuff coming that should be of interest to you".

Don't know exactly what that meant, but seems like more options are ahead.

[Ramjet-SS]

Henry stepped up to the plate here brought a little class to the tried and true design made popular by H&R. The brass option make these offerings are really interesting. I fully intend to buy one of the steel ones for my grandson. 44 Mag. I may buy the brass one for myself. 270 grain WFN should be perfect in this rifle loaded over a max dose of H110 or H4227.

I also have a Henry new lever action 410 on order for squirrels and rabbits as well as game farm Pheasants. This company is really making a huge splash and I think you will see new line of calibers every year. Stay tuned.........

[GhostHawk]

Well the blued .44 mag is in my future for sure. Will be watching with interest to see what other calibers they add.

[FergusonTO35]

I would like to have one in .44 with the steel frame and straight grip stock. Wonder if, I bought a steel frame, Henry would swap stocks for me? Already have a bunch of range brass so I need to go buy a rifle/dies/molds for it, right?:mrgreen:

Just noticed the Henry single shot uses the Weaver 82 scope mount. This means that a Williams WGRS rear sight will mount up just fine. Sweet, way to go Henry!!

[michael.birdsley]

The wife said I could use some wedding money for a gun. Originally I wanted a full size 9mm but, that Henry 44 mag is on my mind a lot lately


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[NavyVet1959]

The wife said I could use some wedding money for a gun. Originally I wanted a full size 9mm but, that Henry 44 mag is on my mind a lot lately


Wedding money? Obviously, it should be a shotgun then... :)

[michael.birdsley]

Wedding money? Obviously, it should be a shotgun then... :)

I should say money we received from the reception. I allready have 2 shot guns lol


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[FergusonTO35]

You married well!

[Elias Graves]

Anybody buy one yet?

[GhostHawk]

January I believe, have seen no place that has them for sale yet.

Anyone have twist rate for that .44mag?

[mcdaniel.mac]

Depends upon your definition of "low pressure rounds".

The Thompson Encore has barrels available for it in:


.300 Win Mag -- 64,000 psi
.500 S&W -- 50,000 psi
.30-06 -- 60,200 psi
7mm Rem Mag -- 61,000 psi


I suspect that there is more to it than just pressure though. A caliber that pushes a heavy bullet down the barrel is going to generate more recoil than a caliber that pushes a lighter bullet, even if they are both at the same pressure. That recoil affects the linkages.

For example, a .50 BMG has a pressure of only 54,800 psi, but I know of no break action designs for it. You could *physically* chamber a barrel for .50 BMG on an H&R since their "UltraSlug" comes in 12-gauge and the 12-gauge chamber dimensions are *slightly* larger than the base portion of the .50 BMG cartridge, but I suspect it is questionable whether that would leave enough steel around the chamber to handle 54,800 psi, much less whether the action could survive many rounds of that.
http://www.serbu.com/rn-50-break-action-50-bmg.html

New entry. No idea how well they hold up, but I remember the Hesse .50BMG well enough not to risk it.

I seem to recall a big bore along the lines of a .700 JDJ or similar being made on NEF break-actions. I'll have to poke around and see if I can find the specs on it. Again, no guarantee that they survive beyond the 100 rounds I estimate most would shoot them.

Edit: found it, 585HE. 720gr lead@2700FPS, HR Topper is among the common actions, estimating 65,000PSI according to the manufacturer.

Count me in the camp somewhat disappointed that Henry just making break-actions. I keep drooling over the Chiappa and Uberti repro rifles, might have to start saving to buy myself a graduation present.

[Four-Sixty]

I'm hoping this rifle will happen in 30-30. I would pick one up and finally be able to quash my lamentation of not getting a Handi in 30-30.

[sghart3578]

I'm hoping this rifle will happen in 30-30. I would pick one up and finally be able to quash my lamentation of not getting a Handi in 30-30.


You and me both.

I actually had a Handi Rifle in 30-30 and sold it in one of my safe clean out modes. I have regretted it ever since.

I now want a single shot like the Handi or the Henry in 30-30, with a 26-30" barrel and a tang sight, for long range shooting.

Cheaper than a 45-70.

[3leggedturtle]

I would really like one in 38WCF...

[Ramjet-SS]

I suspect that other calibers will follow I have two on preorder am waiting for the wholesaler to confirm arrival.

[michael.birdsley]

You married well!

Thanks


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[Texas by God]

I'm hoping this rifle will happen in 30-30. I would pick one up and finally be able to quash my lamentation of not getting a Handi in 30-30.

Same here except I want to re-chamber it to 30-40 Krag.....

[Gus McCrae]

If the steel versions will go for $317, I'll buy a couple at least. Nice looking replacement for the H&R. I would rather see a falling block with an external hammer, but if these shoot well.... I won't care.

12 gauge and .45-70 for me.

.45 Colt, .357 max, .38-55, and .257 Roberts on my wants.

[buckwheatpaul]

I'm hoping this rifle will happen in 30-30. I would pick one up and finally be able to quash my lamentation of not getting a Handi in 30-30.

I'm in your camp....guilt over not having a 30-30.....got the components, dies, and no gun......what is a old guy to do?

[mcdaniel.mac]

.45 Colt, .357 Max, .327 Fed Mag, and .30-30 or .300 Whisper would tickle my giblets. I'd prefer a switch-barrel system, but if they cost about what an Encore barrel does then I'd be hard pressed to complain. Oh, and pleeeeease offer some custom shop options. 16" threaded barrel, or better yet, let me send my quick mount to in and fit the barrel to be 16.1" with the mount welded on. Short, light, and quick!

[Ickisrulz]

OK. It's 2017. Where are they?

[Gus McCrae]

OK. It's 2017. Where are they?

I want to know too. Lol.

[Ramjet-SS]

Patients they will be here soon. I have the wait list list setup so when they arrive we will get a 44 standard and brass.

[GhostHawk]

Anyone know the rifling twist rate on those Henry .44's?

[Ickisrulz]

Anyone know the rifling twist rate on those Henry .44's?

1 turn in 38 inches, per Henry.

[badbob454]

https://www.henryrifles.com/rifles/single-shot-rifle/
Here are the available calibers

[michael.birdsley]

From Henry.

"Hi Michael,

Thanks for reaching out and for your interest in the new single shot rifles. The steel versions are slated to start shipping on 5/1/17 and the brass versions are scheduled for 7/1/17. The lever action .410's are the first of the new firearms to start shipping this year with a date of 2/1/17."


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[trentvb]

Also from Henry, I asked what the twist rate was on the .223 and if there would be a .357 mag version:

"Thank you for your interest. We use a 1:9 ROT for .223 and it is likely we’ll have a .357 magnum single shot by late 2017 but there are no definite dates as yet."

[garym1a2]

This would be perfect in 357, 16 inch barrel and threded.

[Ickisrulz]

Henry seems to do a lot of commemorative and special rifles. Maybe someone could spearhead a "Cast Boolits Special Edition" rifle in a cast friendly cartridge. Not me.

[Lethemgo]

I will probably end up with one in 45-70 but it is a pretty short gun. 37" with a 22" barrel seems like a small piece. For that price range though it'll be though to pass up.

[tdoyka]

i would take them in a 475L or a 500L. i'll take a 38-55 or a 44-40 too!!!

their chamberings are pretty good, but i have/have had them. i'll just wait and see.

[buckshotshoey]

Henry website update says the single shot rifles will ship in May

[kbstenberg]

For those interested the 45/70 will have a twist if 1 in 16. The person I contacted by email said no plans for a 30/30 or a slower twist 44M
My 2 gun suppliers said there price will be 380$

[hp246]

For those interested the 45/70 will have a twist if 1 in 16. The person I contacted by email said no plans for a 30/30 or a slower twist 44M
My 2 gun suppliers said there price will be 380$Henry told me on the phone 1 in 20. Did your information come from Henry?

[Ickisrulz]

Henry told me on the phone 1 in 20. Did your information come from Henry?

I received an e-mail from Henry when I asked this question right after the rifles were announced. I was told 1 in 38". But I saw a post somewhere recently where some one was told 1 in 20" on the single shots, but the lever actions would stay the same. So who knows? Maybe we'll get an answer in the coming months when these get into reviewer's hands.

[Ickisrulz]

The new single-shot .44 Mag rifles will have a 1:20” twist; different from our lever-action .44s which have the 1:38” twist.

Regards,

Jeffrey Post
Technical Customer Service

Henry Repeating Arms, Co.
59 East 1st Street
Bayonne, NJ 07002

[NoAngel]

I'm sure it's been said or at least implied but..,anyone who gets one of these PLEASE post pics and an honest review for the rest of us who want one but may not get one right Away.

[Ickisrulz]

I'm sure it's been said or at least implied but..,anyone who gets one of these PLEASE post pics and an honest review for the rest of us who want one but may not get one right Away.

There should be plenty of reviews in May because we are ALL getting one.

[buckshotshoey]

I fully intend to if the price is reasonable. If it goes for much more then $350, I will probably pass. Too many good bolt guns around in that price range. Dont expect it to be as cheap as a CVA, but the quality should be well above.

[michael.birdsley]

There should be plenty of reviews in May because we are ALL getting one.

Yes I plan on getting one as soon as they come out. I want the .44 mag. I am only debating if I want to put a scope on or not.


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[GhostHawk]

Dang the world can throw curves at ya.

Comeing in May

Choice A the Henry in .44 mag.

Choice B the Gauntlet PCP air rifle in .177 or .22 (and possibly .25)
With 50 shots of .22 on a single fill. Coupled with a good hand pump and at under 300$ it appears the first really reasonable Precharged Pnuematic airrifle may be in reach.

Pump would be another 200. But then the cord would be cut. No further purchases required.
No primers needed, no powder, no brass.

Ultimate SHTF meat for the pot rifle? Ohh and it is supposed to do 900 fps on those .22 pellets. More for .177 but I never really liked the .177 for killing critters.

Decisions decisions.

I guess I have between now and May to save roughly 1,000 dollars.

[dverna]

Ghosthawk,

You forgot to mention the other advantage of that PCP. Working that hand pump will give you a workout!

Don Verna

[FergusonTO35]

Another plus for Henry, they are drilled to use H&R scope mounts. Meaning, any receiver sight for H&R should also work on the Henry. I have a Williams WGRS on my Huntsman and love it.

[NoAngel]

Ohh that's NICE! The steel one piece mounts are rock solid and I have one on all my Handis.

[NoAngel]

I just wonder how many of these will pass through JES reboring in the next year? :D

I'd like to have one in .308 but doubt I can stand to keep it that way when a couple hundred bucks will turn it into a .358 Win. Otherwise known as a Real Man's Rifle. LOL!

[hc18flyer]

I'm fighting the urge to bore one to 358 myself, make for a sweet handling cast boolets Hunter!
Flyer

[Buckshot Bill]

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[SquidBilly]

I'd get one if the price is right. Right now i've got a 10" chamber adapter in 38 special in my H&R Topper. 8-)

[NoAngel]

Reckon what the chances of a 357 mag will be?

I want a .358 Win ultimately but converting a 357 mag is cheaper and easier for me than a 308 rebore.
I have the reamer and have converted a 357 Handi already. Not difficult at all.
Nice thing for me will be the journey. Being as I already have a 358, I'm thinking of a 357 max rebore first, if that don't suit me, 358 is still easy enough.

Another option I am really considering would be more involved and require a 30/30 extractor; .357 Herrett. I have always wanted to try that caliber. 35 caliber just WORKS.
It shouldn't be to hard to machine the existing extractor as long as they ain't been heat treated.

[Ickisrulz]

Henry has added the twist rates for these rifles to their website. The 44 mag is listed as 1:20.

They added the twist rates for their other rifles also. I'd bet they got tired of all the calls and e-mails asking for this information.

[hp246]

Henry has added the twist rates for these rifles to their website. The 44 mag is listed as 1:20.

They added the twist rates for their other rifles also. I'd bet they got tired of all the calls and e-mails asking for this information. Thanks for the heads up.

[Good Cheer]

Handled a Henry lever .41 today. Was disappointed.
I hope they make a .41 single shooter instead some day.

[Ickisrulz]

Handled a Henry lever .41 today. Was disappointed.
I hope they make a .41 single shooter instead some day.

Why the disappointment?

[mcdaniel.mac]

I'd get one if the price is right. Right now i've got a 10" chamber adapter in 38 special in my H&R Topper. 8-)
How's your accuracy with it? I ordered a 20ga-9mm adaptor for my Ithaca, curious what to expect from it.

[Buckshot Bill]

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[hc18flyer]

Anyone eyeball one up close yet?

[charlie b]

No but they are on Cabelas website.

[blackhawk man]

I sent them a question about the groove diameter on the 44 Mag. They answered that it would be .429. Also, I could be mistaken, but I seem to remember that the early descriptions had the rear sight as a semi-buckhorn. Now it's listed as a folding leaf.

[FergusonTO35]

Can't explain why but I am really digging one of these in .44 Magnum. I picked up about 70 pieces of brass at the range awhile back. Guess I better buy me a Henry, dies, and a mold to with it right? Will ask about it at the fun store tomorrow.

[charlie b]

I am thinking of a .45-70

but...twist is 1:20 and they recommend it for 100yd?

I suppose that will limit the bullets to 450 or 500gn?

[Ickisrulz]

This is what Henry e-mailed me today:

Thanks very much for your interest in the new single shot firearms. These are slated to start shipping to distributors right at the end of this month. From there it might take another week or two for them to start hitting dealers. I haven't heard of any delays yet for these, so hopefully everything is on track to ship on time.

[Good Cheer]

Oh, if only they were making a .41...

[missionary5155]

Greetings
A 41 mag single shot would be great ! I would get two and ream one to 414 Supermag.
Mike in Peru

[GhostHawk]

I would strongly consider a .44 mag single shot from Henry. But I already have a .444 Marlin Handi rifle that does all a .44 mag will and then some with more room for powder.

I also have handi rifles in .223 and .357, so I am waiting to see what other calibers they come out with.

[Texas by God]

Now I want them to chamber it in 50-70 Govt. might as well it's taking so long.
And Savage has taken up the Topper shotgun Stevens branded. Great news for practical folks.
Best, Thomas.

[tdoyka]

Now I want them to chamber it in 50-70 Govt. might as well it's taking so long.

Best, Thomas.

x2

and they make the barrel 26"+

[Buckshot Bill]

These should have shipped by now anyone know where they are in stock yet?

[hp246]

These should have shipped by now anyone know where they are in stock yet?

I have oneon order. Was in the gun shop today. They haven't heard of them shipping yet.

[Mgderf]

These should have shipped by now anyone know where they are in stock yet?

I have an email from Mr Anthony Imperato assuring me that when they Big Boys in steel (chambered for .327 Federal magnum) begin to ship, mine will be drop-shipped to my local FFL.
This email is dated February 2017.
Through contacts with customer service, I have been told that the new .327's will ship in March 2017, and then April 2017, and then late May 2017.

I called customer service again on May 31st 2017.
I was told during this call that there had been "...a production issue, but they are back on track, and should be shipping in the next couple of weeks.

I called customer service again this morning.
I was told that the .327's are expected to begin shipping this month, in June 2017.
I informed the customer service rep that "I had heard this story before, in March, then April, and again in May..."

"I'm sorry. This is all the information we have. We were told they should begin shipping in June 2017"

I'm no longer holding my breath...

[charlie b]

These days why does anyone believe a new product will ship in the year specified? Everyone promises based on everything going according to schedule. Rarely happens.

[Ickisrulz]

Henry's website now shows shipping dates of July 2017 for both styles of single shot rifles.

[woodbutcher]

;) Reckon they will ship when they ship.
Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
Leo

[TexasGrunt]

I'd rather have it ship "right" than be a beta tester.

[dragon813gt]

I'd rather have it ship "right" than be a beta tester.

Is it safe to assume you've bought a few Rugers recently [emoji23]

I completely agree w/ you. Henry has a reputation for high quality. They don't want any warranty returns. That's the correct business model.

[Good Cheer]

I'm buying when the 41's come out.

[charlie b]

Okayyy.....I am waiting..... :)

Anyone see any of these yet? If they turn out even halfway decent I want a .45-70

[BAGTIC]

According to an online inflation calculator $65 in 1973 would be equivalent to $358.28 today. The concept of inflation is especially hard on us old timers who keep forgetting that what was is not longer. Not even the dollar. Even we aren't what we used to be.

[Adam20]

Cabelas has them listed backorderable for $369

[charlie b]

I like the price...I just want to know how well they shoot. :)

[Ickisrulz]

I spoke to a design engineer at Henry yesterday. He said they had a couple hiccups with production of the single shots, but they should be shipping soon.

[hp246]

I spoke to a design engineer at Henry yesterday. He said they had a couple hiccups with production of the single shots, but they should be shipping soon.

Any idea what the hiccups are/were?

[Ickisrulz]

No. We were talking about picatinny rails and I just mentioned I was anxiously awaiting putting my hands on the single shots.

[Ickisrulz]

It looks like Henry has updated their website again showing ship dates of early and late August for these things.

[rondog]

Well, these sound interesting! First I've heard of them. Have to wonder - if they're successful and sell well, might they be open to expanding the line? More calibers, different options? Personally, I'd prefer a polished blued finish, and longer barrel options. Octagonal would be nice too.

I don't need one for hunting, have plenty of others - but an affordable s/s target rifle with a 26-30" octagonal barrel would be sweet! Even just offer them as custom orders, not catalog models.

C'mon Henry, want to win our hearts (and business)? PLAY to our hearts! It shouldn't always be about mass production for maximum profits. We're American shooters. We have widely varied tastes, desires and interests. And we're starving for affordable QUALITY firearms from someone who listens to us and tries to provide. Now's your chance!

Could you imagine if they started offering a line of Winchester 1892 clone rifles to compete with Rossi, with Henry quality? Carbines and long rifles? Round and octagonal? .32-20, .38-40, .44-40, .44 mag, .45 Colt, .38/.357, etc.? Holy cow, they couldn't make those fast enough.....

[GhostHawk]

This exactly!

I would bite on a single shot in .45 colt.
I would bite on one in 32 special.

I am interested in their .44 mag but I already have an H&R handi rifle in .444 Marlin that does everything any .44mag ever did plus more.

.25-20 would also likely get me to bite.

There is a growing groundswell of interest in pistol caliber carbines.
Lower noise, lower recoil, accurate enough to hit a golfball at 50 yards 9 out of 10 try's.
Easily scoped, or iron sights, or red dot, or whatever.

Combine that with Henry reputation and quality and a 300$ price point. And you have a winner.

Ruger, Remington, are you paying attention?

[Thundarstick]

Make mine a 327 fed mag!

[charlie b]

I'd still like a long barrel in .45-70, or even better, .38-55

[Buckshot Bill]

any word on these yet?

[Ickisrulz]

any word on these yet?

The website is still showing a ship date of early August, but it doesn't look like they have. I haven't bothered Henry by asking for an update. I have come to the conclusion that their advertised ship dates are overly optimistic.

[hp246]

Has anyone seen one yet? I finally gave up and bought a Marlin 1895.

[Ickisrulz]

Has anyone seen one yet? I finally gave up and bought a Marlin 1895.

The website still shows a ship date of mid-September. That has come and gone.

[Ramjet-SS]

Ruger does this all the time when they can develope the demand prior to release it makes for heavy first run sales. I already have an Encore so I will eventually just buy a 44 Barrel for that rifle.

[megasupermagnum]

Has anyone seen one yet? I finally gave up and bought a Marlin 1895.

Maybe they are waiting for a certain number of buyers first? Just guessing. Being interested in a shotgun, I shot T/C encores, but don't like them. They are a rifle/handgun in my opinion. They fit just isn't there for a naturally pointing shotgun. I loved H&R, and still think they are the best single shot guns ever made. It looks like this Henry could be great as well. The price is higher, but I can get over that. The thing that bugs me is the lever to open the gun. I much prefer the button H&R used, so much so I wont buy this Henry. Does anyone else feel the same?

[scattershot]

I,think these things are like unicorns and Bigfoot. Everyone knows what they are, but no one has seen one.

[marlinman93]

I just keep trying to restrain myself and not comment, but can't just sit here anymore.
I'm amazed there's this much hoopla and interest in these Henry single shots when there's plenty of good single shot rifles around for the same money that I think are as good or better looking.
For $900 I'd expect a company to at least give me a polished blued finish! Their commercial makes it sound like the matte finish is something special, when in reality it's a cheaper method to finish a gun, and takes less labor than a high polished blued finish.
The design is certainly an old one, and one I've often seen on lower end single shots. And typically Henry decided to put stubby, lightweight barrels on these guns, rather than something more like most better quality single shots came with.
I'd rather buy a used older single shot for the $900, than spend that much on this single shot from Henry.

[Ickisrulz]

I just keep trying to restrain myself and not comment, but can't just sit here anymore.
I'm amazed there's this much hoopla and interest in these Henry single shots when there's plenty of good single shot rifles around for the same money that I think are as good or better looking.
For $900 I'd expect a company to at least give me a polished blued finish! Their commercial makes it sound like the matte finish is something special, when in reality it's a cheaper method to finish a gun, and takes less labor than a high polished blued finish.
The design is certainly an old one, and one I've often seen on lower end single shots. And typically Henry decided to put stubby, lightweight barrels on these guns, rather than something more like most better quality single shots came with.
I'd rather buy a used older single shot for the $900, than spend that much on this single shot from Henry.

The new Henry Single Shot rifles have an MSRP of $427.00 NOT $900. Street price should be well under $400. I can guarantee that Henry's offerings will be much nicer than the Handi rifles.

[megasupermagnum]

Cabela's has them listed at $370. What makes you think they will be nicer than the handi rifles? For rifles, I think the T/C encore is the clear way to go. USA made, well established model, with a robust barrel market. What I want is a shotgun. The T/C encore isn't a bird gun. There are not a lot of options though unless you are willing to buy a China or Turkey made gun.

[Ickisrulz]

Cabela's has them listed at $370. What makes you think they will be nicer than the handi rifles? For rifles, I think the T/C encore is the clear way to go. USA made, well established model, with a robust barrel market. What I want is a shotgun. The T/C encore isn't a bird gun. There are not a lot of options though unless you are willing to buy a China or Turkey made gun.

Handi rifles are ugly (with plastic trigger guards). Henry builds nice looking rifles. I have seen pictures and videos of the new Single Shot Rifle and they look nice.

[rfd]

.... If a company would make a rolling block that allowed for quickly replaceable barrels, that would be nice to see.

indeed. i'd even forgo the "quickly replaceable barrels" part. just gimme it in .45-70, .40-65 and .38-55 and be done with it. right now, the only rollers worth buying are from pedersoli, copied from the old remington design. these are Excellent rollers, are well built, with the correct match grade moderate to heavy barrels.

the tippmann rollers come in .45-70, .44mag and .357mag and are NOT viable at all with their stubby lightweight barrels, and will run $1000. a much, much better pedersoli in .40-65 is $1200. aside from tippmann, there are no american roller manufacturers. what a shame, really. a good rolling block action, based on the rem #1, along with a good DST and proper barrel can make for a most worthy gun that can do it all - indeed.

the henry break open action single shots, for $400 street price, are good for what they are, and that ain't about iron tang sight rifle shooting at silhouettes or targets. they'll be fine for what they are all about - the hunt.

[Schreck5]

This exactly!

I would bite on a single shot in .45 colt.
I would bite on one in 32 special.

I am interested in their .44 mag but I already have an H&R handi rifle in .444 Marlin that does everything any .44mag ever did plus more.

.25-20 would also likely get me to bite.

There is a growing groundswell of interest in pistol caliber carbines.
Lower noise, lower recoil, accurate enough to hit a golfball at 50 yards 9 out of 10 try's.
Easily scoped, or iron sights, or red dot, or whatever.

Combine that with Henry reputation and quality and a 300$ price point. And you have a winner.

Ruger, Remington, are you paying attention?

Ditto on 45C single shot. With proper twist to acomadate heavy boolits at Ruger Only levels.

[Buckshot Bill]

Seen a few listed on GB a week or two back in .223 @ $329 they promptly disappeared haven't seen any since?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Item/708261152

And yes they DO look better than a handi. I like a lever over a button, matte finish is nicer for hunting, you're getting walnut wood, the checkering looks decent.

It's easy to see who the practical thinking hunters are and who are paper punchers reading though these comments.

[marlinman93]

The new Henry Single Shot rifles have an MSRP of $427.00 NOT $900. Street price should be well under $400. I can guarantee that Henry's offerings will be much nicer than the Handi rifles.

My mistake on the base price. It seems I was looking at a deluxe model at their site with high end wood.

[marlinman93]

It's easy to see who the practical thinking hunters are and who are paper punchers reading though these comments.

That's pretty funny! I guess the guns built over the last 150 years with nice bluing and wood were just silly, and impractical. All those guns should never have been built that well because the finish would have just rubbed right off the first time they went tromping through the woods! Amazing so many 100 yr. old guns are even around today with decent finish, as they should have all worn off a century ago!

[Buckshot Bill]

That's pretty funny! I guess the guns built over the last 150 years with nice bluing and wood were just silly, and impractical. All those guns should never have been built that well because the finish would have just rubbed right off the first time they went tromping through the woods! Amazing so many 100 yr. old guns are even around today with decent finish, as they should have all worn off a century ago!

I never said anything about the durability of the finish or even directed that comment towards finish at all and I actually complimented Henry's use of nice walnut wood on their single shots......... But since you brought it up a matte low glare finish is more practical for a hunting rifle because they retain oils better and don't shine like a mirror when the sun hits them. Will a blued mirror work as a hunting rifle? Of course it will, but it does not mean it's the best or most practical choice.

You complain of the lack of a polished finish on the high end model yet they say it does come highly polished. Your $900 gripe is still unfounded since even the deluxe model only has a MSRP of $549

I don't care if you like the Henry or not, it's your prerogative but trying to justify your hatred for a rifle with false information is just silly.
A rifle I might add which for the most part is not even on the market yet apart from a few scattered sightings.

My previous comment about hunting practicality was more accurately aimed at your "stubby, lightweight" barrel comment. Most hunters appreciate these "stubby, lightweight" barrels. 22-23" has pretty much been the standard on break action rifles and is more than adequate for a hunting rifle. I can think of no occasion where I was in the woods and wished I had a longer or heavier barrel. No one wants to lug around an 9-12 lb single shot rifle all day. They thinned the barrels down because much like most other manufacturers it appears all the calibers/gauges were made on the same size frame, which needs to be large enough for a 12 ga shotgun. If they didn't thin them down the weight would be outrageous with rifles barrels of small bore diameters. Of course none of this matters if you are only carrying it 20 yards to a bench so you can plop it down on some sandbags.

I have nothing against paper punchers I just find it humorous to hear people or read posts where they are all up in arms over a firearm because it isn't specifically suited to their task. Most manufacturers are looking at the bigger picture, the majority of folks will be hunting or plinking, they want short and handy, readily available popular and proven calibers that they can buy ammo for at whatever big box store is closest to them. The manufacturer needs to sell thousands, not hundreds so they go where the greatest demand is.

I'd be willing to bet if they made say two models a 22" lightweight barrel 44 mag much like their website currently shows and if they made a 32" heavy barrel 38-55, 45-60 or any other now defunct obscure cartridge. They'd sell the 44 mags 50 to 1.

Well, that got long winded fast.

[marlinman93]

Never had any trouble taking numerous deer and elk with highly blued guns. Never had any issue with keeping them oiled, or looking good either.

[Good Cheer]

Waiting on the .41.

(slobber slobber)

[megasupermagnum]

I'm a single shot fanatic, but I'm just not sold, the price is too high. No doubt the quality is there for the price, but for a couple hundred extra you can get their lever action. I've been drooling over the steel carbine in .327 Federal since it was announced. I've just about saved up enough.:bigsmyl2:

[David LaPell]

I really want to try one of these out in .45-70, and if I like them, I can see me getting one in .243 as a first deer rifle for my son when he gets older. He already has a thing for single shots.

[ohiomadman]

I really want to try one of these out in .45-70, and if I like them, I can see me getting one in .243 as a first deer rifle for my son when he gets older. He already has a thing for single shots.

There is one for sale on gunbroker, but the seller is really proud of it at $500
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/714494425

[Ickisrulz]

There is one for sale on gunbroker, but the seller is really proud of it at $500
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/714494425

I seriously doubt he has it in his hands. No other place is offering them for sale.

[marlinman93]

I seriously doubt he has it in his hands. No other place is offering them for sale.

How could he list it as "low number" if he didn't have it to see the serial number?

[Ickisrulz]

How could he list it as "low number" if he didn't have it to see the serial number?

I would imagine once he gets one it will have a low serial number. The first shipment will all have low numbers.

No one has any of these for sale yet, nor are there any hands-on reviews anywhere to be found. If this guy had one, he'd be the only one to do so.

[dragon813gt]

No pic of the actual rifle so I don't think he has it.

[RPRNY]

I wonder whom Henry management imagines is interested in a $350 to $400 single shot rifle chambered in 308, 223, or 44 Mag for that matter, when MOA bolt action rifles are available at the same price or less for the first two and the R92 for the latter. It just doesn't seem to me that they thought through the market for these rifles. 45-70? Sure. 30-30, 45 LC even. But I can't see Tommy Tactikewl going for a single shot rifle. And how they intend to make a penny without offering it in 6.5 Creedomore beggars belief. As we all know, it is the ONLY cartridge that can possibly be accurate at more than 100yards...

I predict a short lifespan. It's too bad.

[marlinman93]

I personally don't think all gun buyers are looking strictly at prices. If that was true, then companies like Shiloh, DZ Arms, etc. wouldn't have lengthy waiting periods for customers to get a rifle.
Those buying a particular type of gun aren't all looking at what's cheapest. Some are simply looking for a particular style of gun, and if the cost is more than a bolt gun, they'll likely still buy the higher priced gun to get the style they want.

[kens]

I wonder whom Henry management imagines is interested in a $350 to $400 single shot rifle chambered in 308, 223, or 44 Mag for that matter, when MOA bolt action rifles are available at the same price or less for the first two and the R92 for the latter. It just doesn't seem to me that they thought through the market for these rifles. 45-70? Sure. 30-30, 45 LC even. But I can't see Tommy Tactikewl going for a single shot rifle. And how they intend to make a penny without offering it in 6.5 Creedomore beggars belief. As we all know, it is the ONLY cartridge that can possibly be accurate at more than 100yards...

I predict a short lifespan. It's too bad.

If the Henry has real high quality sights, and walnut stock, and a good trigger, then the $400 becomes a good deal.
I just built a mauser, the iron sights alone were over $200 for front & rear. I got a new nice walnut stock $185 and a cheap plastic stock may be $100. Those 2 items alone make for a $175 premium cost for good equipment over cost of junk production parts.
We wait and see the quality of the sights & trigger & stock to see where it REALLY falls into the price point.

[dragon813gt]

Different strokes for different folks. I have a few of the cheap bolt actions. They don't compare to higher end rifles in parts used as well as fit a finish. They don't have nice wood. They're painted, not blued. Some of them even come w/ a low comb designed for iron sights but there are no sights installed and no provisions to install them.

They are accurate. Which makes them a cheap, affordable is a term many would prefer, tool that performs. Lots of people quality wood and bluing and are willing to pay for it. I personally have little interest in singles shots but many people like them.

[marlinman93]

Apples and oranges. A purpose built bolt action target rifle isn't usually a pretty gun, but they can be very accurate depending on components used. The right barrel, trigger, and action wont care too much about wood quality. It will of course need to be well fitted wood, and very high end target rifles wont even use wood, as it changes with humidity.
Nice wood, and bluing wont make any gun more accurate, but this goes back to what a owner wants, and whether he's looking for a nice gun, or an extremely accurate gun. You can have both, but it's just a matter of how much a person wants to spend.
I doubt anyone will be buying a Henry single shot rifle and expecting to go shoot with competitive match rifles. So even bringing that idea into the conversation is funny. Guys who want a Henry will either already be fans of Henry, or fans of the old H&R or other top break affordable single shots. Somebody who is into a high end gun like a Shiloh Sharps, CPA, or others like them wont be looking at a Henry as there next purchase. How many they sell is depending on how many people fit this category?

[kens]

I think there is a void between the old H&R, and Ruger #1. that is a $1k price gap between them.
what else would fill that price point in between the two?

[David LaPell]

I wonder whom Henry management imagines is interested in a $350 to $400 single shot rifle chambered in 308, 223, or 44 Mag for that matter, when MOA bolt action rifles are available at the same price or less for the first two and the R92 for the latter. It just doesn't seem to me that they thought through the market for these rifles. 45-70? Sure. 30-30, 45 LC even. But I can't see Tommy Tactikewl going for a single shot rifle. And how they intend to make a penny without offering it in 6.5 Creedomore beggars belief. As we all know, it is the ONLY cartridge that can possibly be accurate at more than 100yards...

I predict a short lifespan. It's too bad.


For those of us who can't afford a Ruger#1 or a reproduction Sharps rifle in .45-70, Henry's single shot in .45-70 is looking really good.

[ohiomadman]

I think there might be some out there now. Found a couple in .243 and one in .410.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/716552742

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/716276247

[RPRNY]

For those of us who can't afford a Ruger#1 or a reproduction Sharps rifle in .45-70, Henry's single shot in .45-70 is looking really good.

And, as I explicitly stated 45-70 is a sensible chambering for this rifle. 308, 223 are not. 243 may be, as a light handy rifle in a low recoil flat shooting single shot may be a good youngster's first deer rifle. But at $450, the price they are now on at GB, I don't see it - T/C Compass, Savage Axis, Rugger American - all available for less.

The market for what appears to be a pretty good looking blue and wood rifle is not in high volume rimless cartridge offerings, in my opinion. Time will tell.

[GhostHawk]

If they were offering Pistol calibers at 3-350$ price range I suspect many would buy. Heck I would buy a couple.

I just spent 400$ for an H&R barrel in .45colt. And it was worth that to me because

A I wanted one.
B They don't make them anymore.
C They never did make that many of them. They are on the rare side.

I have not shot it yet, but I have it matched up to a receiver, a 2x Red Dot sight mounted on it, and 200 rounds loaded for it. So it is ready for the range.

9mm, .38 special/.357, .40SW/10mm, .45acp, .45colt all have their followings. People would love to have a nice looking decent rifle they can afford that will shoot reasonably well.

Say 10 rounds all fall in a 2" circle at 100 yards with a good shooter.

Those would sell. Same for old standards like .30-30 and .45-70. Heck I'd buy a .32-40 or .38-55 if they offered it. More toys, more calibers to cast with. More loads to work up. Some of us really enjoy the journey.

.223, .308, 6.5 creedmore, .270, .30-06 I have low to zero interest in.
They don't float my boat. Everyone has those. Good rifles, but I am not interested in high power 300 yard shots. Been there done that.

[kens]

And, as I explicitly stated 45-70 is a sensible chambering for this rifle. 308, 223 are not. 243 may be, as a light handy rifle in a low recoil flat shooting single shot may be a good youngster's first deer rifle. But at $450, the price they are now on at GB, I don't see it - T/C Compass, Savage Axis, Rugger American - all available for less.

The market for what appears to be a pretty good looking blue and wood rifle is not in high volume rimless cartridge offerings, in my opinion. Time will tell.

As far a youth first deer rifle, I agree. Also I never have seen what I consider a very good combo, and it something like a 20 ga. / .30-30 combo of interchangeable barrels.
You may see .410/.22, but you don't see anything like 20ga/30-30; or 12ga/.444
I agree the rimmed cartridges are better suited for single shot. .30-30, (35Rem), 454Casull, .444 and so on.
The high power rimless seem better suited for the Ruger#1.
A dandy youth combo would be 20ga/ 7.62x39. What a dandy plinker.

[dragon813gt]

As far a youth first deer rifle, I agree. Also I never have seen what I consider a very good combo, and it something like a 20 ga. / .30-30 combo of interchangeable barrels.


Not interchangeable barrels. But you can try and find a Savage 24. They came in a bunch of combinations. 30-30/20ga was one. 357mag/20ga was another. They came in a bunch of combinations.

[Traffer]

I think there might be some out there now. Found a couple in .243 and one in .410.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/716552742

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/716276247

Yup these sellers are both in Wisconsin, where the guns are made. Looks like these are the first to get circulated. $429 is too much for one. Maybe $350. I was hoping they would make a long barrel "Buffalo Classic" equivalent. Those would fly off the shelves. I would even buy one if it was under $400.

[RPRNY]

454 Casull is a great idea! And a 20ga/30-30 combo barrel is very handy. I have a 12" 30-30 insert for a 20ga sxs, but it has never really been more than a novelty.

[brian1]

I seriously doubt he has it in his hands. No other place is offering them for sale.

Seller does have it. I asked

[marlinman93]

Yup these sellers are both in Wisconsin, where the guns are made. Looks like these are the first to get circulated. $429 is too much for one. Maybe $350. I was hoping they would make a long barrel "Buffalo Classic" equivalent. Those would fly off the shelves. I would even buy one if it was under $400.

I'm always puzzled when these gun makers come out with a single shot rifle, and don't offer a 28"-30" heavy barrel? Seems like there's a lot of demand for calibers like .45-70, .38-55, and .32-40, in a longer, heavier barrel. Would make a decent entry level BPCR silhouette rifle, or even beginner long range rifle with some good sights.

[kens]

I still think there is a void in the $400 price point, and the Henry might fill that void.
At the low end was the H&R, then the next step is the T/C Contender at ~$650, then the Ruger#1 at ~$1200.
I see a price point void between the H&R and the Contender.

[megasupermagnum]

I just don't see there being a void, other than a low priced, quality single shot. There are dirt cheap single shots, but they are Chinese or Turkish made, and very low quality. The void is where H&R was. USA made quality with a fantastic design at a reasonable price. The barrel program was great too. $450 is not a reasonable price for a single shot, and honestly, the Henry looks to be an inferior design to me. Plus it has very limited calibers, no shotguns, and no barrel fitting. The super nice wood and bluing is unwelcome if anything. In my eyes, these are in a place that is competing directly with the T/C Encore, and the Encore is better in every way other than some fancy wood. You can still buy used H&R guns reasonably priced, I just bought another a couple weeks ago.

[Ickisrulz]

$450 is not a reasonable price for a single shot, and honestly, the Henry looks to be an inferior design to me.

The MRSP for the all steel model is $427. This means that the street price should be somewhere around $360.

[megasupermagnum]

I guess good for them for not compromising the Henry look, but still, $360 dollars. They could use a cheaper metal finish, cheaper wood, and get them around $250, then you've got a seller. I guess I shouldn't say anything without having handled one, much less shot one, but just by pictures, the T/C encore is a better gun. I don't mean to rip on Henry, I love their lever guns, it's just that I think these single shots will be a flop. I like Thompson Center, but their Encore isn't perfect. Unfortunately Henry didn't do anything here to take advantage. Time will tell, and maybe I'll be an owner of one myself in a few years.

[kens]

How do you figure the Henry is directly competing with Thompson/Center on price?
The T/C rifle is double the price of the Henry.

[Ickisrulz]

I guess good for them for not compromising the Henry look, but still, $360 dollars. They could use a cheaper metal finish, cheaper wood, and get them around $250, then you've got a seller. I guess I shouldn't say anything without having handled one, much less shot one, but just by pictures, the T/C encore is a better gun. I don't mean to rip on Henry, I love their lever guns, it's just that I think these single shots will be a flop. I like Thompson Center, but their Encore isn't perfect. Unfortunately Henry didn't do anything here to take advantage. Time will tell, and maybe I'll be an owner of one myself in a few years.

$360 is a great deal. T/C Encore and Contenders are significantly more money (almost 2x) and extra barrels for those things are $250-$300+. It looks like used Handi Rifles are going for over $300 on Gunbroker.

[megasupermagnum]

Anyone looking for a simple, cheap gun is not going to pay $360 for a single shot when you can get a bolt action for under $300, plain and simple. What that leaves is the guy looking for a switch barrel gun. Henry doesn't have that, T/C has that market enveloped. Maybe in the future, but they just don't seem to have the capacity for multiple calibers yet, or anytime soon. Henry builds nice guns, but the calibers they come in are "cookie cutter" to say the least. They do have .41 mag and the .327 I've been drooling over, but not much else. I still think they made a big mistake by staying with .308 for their long ranger model. They should have gone .30-06 at least. But I digress, $360 seems about right for the fit and finish, but it's just not needed. That's just me, take it with a grain of salt. Get the gun to $250, with aftermarket barrels, and I'll be all over it.

[kens]

I beg to differ.
If the price was EXACTLY the same for the Henry single shot, and the aforementioned bolt gun, I am the type of guy to buy the Henry.
I don't care much for the plastic stocks, plastic 'bottom metal', cheap everything about the cheap new modern bolt guns. they just look krappy.
The Henry isn't 'beautiful' by any means, but it is not krappy looking.

[ohiomadman]

I beg to differ.
If the price was EXACTLY the same for the Henry single shot, and the aforementioned bolt gun, I am the type of guy to buy the Henry.
I don't care much for the plastic stocks, plastic 'bottom metal', cheap everything about the cheap new modern bolt guns. they just look krappy.
The Henry isn't 'beautiful' by any means, but it is not krappy looking.

I agree with this, plus what about affordable bolt actions in 44mag and 45-70.

[megasupermagnum]

I hope you guys are right, and maybe it will sell better than I think. It's still not my cup of tea, but for now I have access to H&R single shots. They can be had for less than sellers seem to think they are worth. Just this year I got a 12 gauge NEF for $150 from a gun shop, and my dad got an H&R for $80. The rifles are a little harder to barter, but they can be had. I just about bought a handi in .243 for $175, but the guy turned out to be really weird about private sales. I offered cash, but he insisted we go to an FFL to transfer the gun. Barrels pop up from time to time for reasonable prices, and fitting them is easier than people make it seem. You got me on the bolt actions if you want rimed cartridges. I just meant the guy who just wants to shoot, or hunt for cheap. You can buy a Savage Axis or Ruger american for $300 brand new, sometimes less. They are great guns, nothing fancy, but shoot great. That's my feelings anyway.

[Buckshot Bill]

I was thinking about a .44 but i already have two. was planning on getting one in 45-70 but ran across a handi rifle at a good price while i was waiting. I could use a good long range rifle but would prefer 30-06 instead of .308 since i have enough ammo stashed back to last my lifetime from a model 70 i used to have, still have a need for at least one more .357 if I don't find something else to fill the bill before they decide to introduce one. Still wanting one, but am waiting on the right calibers. Tempting to get one in .44 mag just because but you have to draw the line somewhere :D