25-35 Winchester W/Pistol Powders

[264 Win Mag]

Have a Trails End Model 94 in 25-35 Winchester with the 1:8 twist and have not been able to find a decent load for 117 grain jacketed or comparable. Latest group of test loads waiting to go down range are loaded with H4227.
On that theme has anybody had any success with pistol powders in this cartridge. The best luck I have had so far is a 1.5 inch group with the NEI #23 loaded with H4227. This is the best group I have shot with this rifle and I just believe it can do better. H335 and H4895 have been disappointing in this rifle.

Thomas


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[Texas by God]

Try IMR 4320, 3031, or H322. Hope you get it going. Best, Thomas.

[Wind]

Hey there 264WM -- You might consider trying some 2400. My 25-36Marlin adores the stuff. They are very similar cartridges. Actually Winchester made some minor changes to Marlin/UMC's design and called theirs the 25-35!

This is a load test target. I made the mistake of looking after the first two shots and subconsciously changed my point of aim from the bottom of the diamond to the two holes. The third shot went just that much high!! Ruint a start on some fine refrigerator art!!

177616

That load works pretty good out a little further...

177617

NOE has come out with the perfect mold for your rifle. It's a combination of the Lyman 257231 and 257325 molds. They look kinda like this...

177618

You might consider them if you are a caster. No real need for jacketed bullets.

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Hope this helps. It's a great cartridge and shoots like a million bucks out of my 124 year old Marlin. Might just take a little sorting out...

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Best regards. Wind

[264 Win Mag]

Try IMR 4320, 3031, or H322. Hope you get it going. Best, Thomas.
Have tried IMR3031 with jacketed but not cast. Have a suggested load to get me in the 1600 range with a cast bullet?

Thomas

[264 Win Mag]

Excellent shooting and information Wind! Don't have any 2400 on the shelf but do have H110 and aforementioned H4227. After looking up the burn rates of the powders I was thinking about they are way faster than 2400 so most likely non-starters.

Thomas

[Outpost75]

.25-35 Winchester Tests - Winchester 1894 with 26-inch octagon barrel ca. 1908 - objective here was to find .25-20 equivalent load for an old timer to use in his "Elk Rifle"
_______________________Velocity_____Remarks
Factory loads
Western 117ST___________2283, 7 Sd___Old yellow box from 1960s, successfully used rest of box to kill elk in Montana
Winchester 117PP_________2259, 19Sd___Current product from Midway five shots in 2.5 in. @ 100 yds. Ideal tang sight

Jacketed bullet handloads - Remington 85JSP old stock from 1960s.

Powder____Grains______Vel._________Remarks
IMR-PB______8________1273, 33 Sd__Minimal expansion, non-destructive small game or turkey load
Alliant#2400__9________1330, 31 Sd__POI at 50 yds. with 200-yd. factory load zero. Minimal expansion.
___________10________1419, 11 Sd __Moderate water jug expansion to .32 cal., good game load
___________12________1738, 15 Sd__Expands to .45 in water jugs, core separates, blows fragments off nose
___________14________1950, 25 Sd__Violent fragmentation, blows frying chicken at 100 yds. to smithereens
___________15________2200, 39 Sd__Max. do not exceed!, highly destructive varmint load
IMR4227____16________1884, 22Sd__Varmint load blows frying chicken at 100 yds. to smithereens

RCBS 25-85CM-Cast 12 BHN from wheelweights, shot as-cast, unsized, LLA - Meister 85-gr. .258 dia. can be substituted, but is less accurate

Bullseye____4____1087, 5 Sd____Quiet like standard velocity .22 LR, five shots in 2 inches at 50 yds.
___________5____1207, 27 Sd___Report like .22 LR high velocity, five shots in 2 inches @ 50 yds.
IMR-PB_____5____1272, 14 Sd___Five consecutive 5-shot groups averaged just over an inch at 50 yds. most accurate of all loads tested, "sweet spot"
___________6____1339, 21 Sd___Approximates factory .25-20 velocity, five shots 1.5 inches @ 50yds
SR-7625____5____1285, 16 Sd___Excellent, older lot 1980s, of 7625 very little different from 5 grain PB load, 5x5 @ 50 yds. iron sights avg. 1.5"
Alliant#2400_7____1420, 29 Sd___Max. for plainbased bullet, first two five-shot groups 1.5 inches @ 50 yds., then opened up to 2 to 2-1/2" due to leading

[OverMax]

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[264 Win Mag]

Interesting loads Outpost75. Especially interested in the IMR4227 and Bullseye loads. I think I have some of those RCBS bullets and was looking at some Green Dot. Thoughts?

Thomas

[Outpost75]

Interesting loads Outpost75. Especially interested in the IMR4227 and Bullseye loads. I think I have some of those RCBS bullets and was looking at some Green Dot. Thoughts? Thomas

In .30 cal. rifle small game loads Bullseye data can be used with Green Dot without getting into trouble, velocity will be a bit lower. Cautiously increase the Green Dot charge to get best accuracy, but not more than about 10% over the Bullseye charge, to be cautious.

[264 Win Mag]

Outpost75,
Your Bullseye load gave you 1087fps from a longer barrel than mine so I am going to run some information through Quickload using Green Dot and see what I come up with. Looking for a mild but accurate plinking load. Hopefully it starts cooling off around here so I can start doing load development.

Thomas