Renegade Barrel Replacement?

[ShooterAZ]

A friend's father gave him a T/C Renegade 54 Cal percussion. Externally, it's in relatively good condition, but barrel cleaning was non-existent and it was stored in a humid climate. Needless to say, the inside of the barrel is a rusted out sewer-pipe. He is considering selling the rifle to me, and I'd like to get it re-barreled. Is there someone you guys could recommend who sells a drop-in replacement? I found barrels only online. Any help with this will be appreciated. Thanks...Shooter.

[bubba.50]

nobody sells new drop-in replacements now. used or new-old-stock Green Mountain drop-ins can be found on evil-bay or gunbroker, sometimes even for decent prices. used T/C barrels can also be had from the same sources.

there IS a couple places that will make you a new barrel to fit yer gun for 3 or 4 hundred bucks but, their names escape me at the moment. maybe someone will chime in with better info.

probably the best bet would be to send the barrel to Ed Rayl in West Virginia or Robert Hoyt in Pennsylvania to be rebored/rifled to the caliber and twist of yer choice.

[ShooterAZ]

Thanks Bubba. Is it possible to rebore a 54 Cal to 58 Cal? Maybe this is the route I go.

[bubba.50]

I have one that was bored from 50cal to 20ga smooth so, I'm sure it's possible. but the two fellers I mentioned will be the final determiner. after they get the barrel & check the depth of all the screw holes & dovetail they will tell ya what they can do. their contact info is floatin' around here & shouldn't be too hard to find. if ya don't run across it I can look through my cigar-box of important papers & likely get it for ya.

[ShooterAZ]

I contacted these guys, their wait time is way, way out there. I know good work is worth waiting for, but I'm not looking to get a match rifle...only a good hunting rifle. Thanks though.

[RBak]

There seems to be plenty of T/C .56 smooth-bore barrels floating around out there, and I can assure you that, with ball or shot, there ain't no fleas on these dogs.

They all come with rifle sights, they are all 1" barrels, and contrary to popular belief the smooth-bore rifle is very accurate...plus, you have the added benefit of a shot barrel....I 'think' the recommended load from the factory for the .56 smoothie is 7/8oz of shot and 60gr FFg, but I often use a full 1 oz, and 75gr FFg, and have used as much as 1-1/8th oz, with 80gr FFg without blowing the pattern.

You can order .550 round ball, if you don't cast your own, or you can use a .535 with a double patch (.020 sail cloth), and I am not astute enough to see the accuracy difference between the two different sizes. They are both tight fits with the .550 being a little harder to seat, but the convenience of the .535 and its ease of loading makes it a top contender for me.

Insofar as accuracy with that smooth-bore, IMHO if you keep you shots to 60 yds and under you should never have a problem shooting deer.
Like many others, until I bought and became familiar with the .56 smoothie, I could only imagine, in my mind, all the problems I would encounter, including inaccuracy.
Now, after owning and shooting one for 8-10 years, it has become a favorite.

Russ...

[Good Cheer]

A friend's father gave him a T/C Renegade 54 Cal percussion. Externally, it's in relatively good condition, but barrel cleaning was non-existent and it was stored in a humid climate. Needless to say, the inside of the barrel is a rusted out sewer-pipe. He is considering selling the rifle to me, and I'd like to get it re-barreled. Is there someone you guys could recommend who sells a drop-in replacement? I found barrels only online. Any help with this will be appreciated. Thanks...Shooter.

Getting it enlarged to only as big as needed to clean up is a path forward to consider, ball molds being easy to come by in whatever size you need.
A .56 or .57 would be just dandy. But before doing anything, measure the depths on all the screw holes for attaching the rear sight and the under rib to find out how much wall is left for your new rifling.

[ShooterAZ]

Thanks guys, I will keep looking around. If anyone knows where I can find a barrel, please let me know!

[bubba.50]

if you'd be interested in a 54cal T/C Hawken barrel to put on yer stock send me a PM.

[ShooterAZ]

PM inbound.

[725]

Do the wait time for Bob Hoyt. It's worth it! Make something else happen in the mean time but don't pass up work from Hoyt. He can breathe new life into unusable guns. Just a thought. Good luck.

[ShooterAZ]

Do the wait time for Bob Hoyt. It's worth it! Make something else happen in the mean time but don't pass up work from Hoyt. He can breathe new life into unusable guns. Just a thought. Good luck.

I may end up going that route if I cant find a barrel...Thanks .

[bubba.50]

why not do both? buy a used barrel to shoot while ya wait on the rebore. then you'll have two guns in one.

[ToddB]

Bob Hoyt can do that barrel to .58, just had a couple done, short money for basically a brand new barrel.

[BigAl52]

Gun Works in Oregon does drop in barrels and they do a good job. But like Bubba said there 350.00 and yes they go to a 58. I had 2 barrels done by Bob Hoyt a renegade and a Hawken. Both shoot great and I think it was 125.00 each. Al

[Good Cheer]

By the way, sleeving a TC (as opposed to rebore) works as well.

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy192/SNARGLEFLERK/NewEnglanderandLyman457124_zps8b48b4ba.jpg (http://s791.photobucket.com/user/SNARGLEFLERK/media/NewEnglanderandLyman457124_zps8b48b4ba.jpg.html)

Geepers, I love muzzleloaders!
:rolleyes:

[KCSO]

Usually we just buy a barrel of the proper size from Track and switch over the furniture and brown it up. The barrel will be fairly spendy but everything else on the old barrel is still good. Browning is the job that takes the longest and if you can't thread for the breech plug Track can do it for you.

[ShooterAZ]

Thanks for all the input. I still need to seal the deal with my friend. What do you guys think would be a fair price to offer him for a renegade with a sewer pipe barrel? Externally it's in pretty decent shape, just the usual been there done that nicks and scrapes of a hunting rifle.

[bubba.50]

100 bucks if everything else is in pretty good shape. bein' a sucker for nice walnut wood, if it had exceptional grain/figure in the stock maybe another 25 bucks.

[OverMax]

Considering how much T/C sold their rifles for at the end of their making. I do believe 100.00 or 125.00 is a bit light for a decent looking Renegade.
As far as its current barrel. Takes allot of rust and corrosion to make a B/P barrel totally useless. You might try given the barrel a good thorough bore cleaning before its complete change out. A Brownells stainless bristle brush will remover rust pretty well and when pulled slowly will follow a bores rifling. The draw back of using such a brush. Excessive use of Stainless steel brushes are very wearing on a barrels rifling.
My suggestion: Give the cleaning a try first. Afterwards if shoots accurately your good to go. If it doesn't. Have it relined back to 54 cal_re-bored to 58 or 69 cal_ changed it out_ or piece meal the rifle out and selling its parts on Evil-Bay.

[KCSO]

Ok that's about what I would offer in the shop and here's why...

Yes the parts are worth more than that but I would either have to rebarrel the gun adding another $250 plus to the cost or I would have to hold the parts till someone needed a ??? Hammer, sear, stock, ect and sell it a piece at a time over what may be years. I have a drawer full of T/C parts bought like that over the years and some I may never sell.

This isn't gouging it's just plain practical.

[Shawlerbrook]

I paid $200 for a great shape Renegade 50 cal. a couple years ago and still see them in the $250 range. I wouldn't give more than $100 if the barrel is toast.

[bubba.50]

plenty of NICE Renegades to be had for $250.00 or less so, I stand by my statement, I'd give 100 bucks for it. and I'd try to talk him down a bit even if offered at that price.

[dondiego]

Saw a nice one for $150 at a gun show recently. Deals are out there.

[Newtire]

I paid $200 for a great shape Renegade 50 cal. a couple years ago and still see them in the $250 range. I wouldn't give more than $100 if the barrel is toast.

My line of reasoning also. Can't see plunking down too much cash when you can pick up another one so easily.

[Theditchman]

$100 is a great deal...The parts for that rifle even without the barrel will fetch $200 plus on Evil-Bay..If you look on Evil-Bay lately all the T/C muzzle loader parts are sky high

[Good Cheer]

Reboring; big decision is what to play with because you can design your own rifling geometry and twist to suit the needs of your location and circumstances.

[LAGS]

So far I have had three Renegade barrels Re Bored or Relined by Hoyt.
A .56 SB to 61 with a slow twist , a 54 Relined to slow twist and a .50 Relined to a Slow twist.
So far I am very happy with all of them
Costwise it was still cheaper than a New Barrel.
In fact , I have a T/C Hawken barrel in .50 that I am packing up to ship to Hoyt this week.
But like mentioned in another post , I haven't decided on the new caliber or twist that I want to go with on this barrel.

[Good Cheer]

I'm that way by a lefthand .50 New Englander barrel. Haven't decided what would be funner.

[varsity07840]

I contacted these guys, their wait time is way, way out there. I know good work is worth waiting for, but I'm not looking to get a match rifle...only a good hunting rifle. Thanks though.

I'm curious. How long did Bob say his lead time was? He turned around the last barrel he did for me in a month.

[LAGS]

Hoyt turned my barrels around in about a month.
But that was before this Pandemic.
I noticed that shipping right now takes a couple of days more than it use to for some reason

[Edward]

Your best bet is Bob Hoyt ,he has done relining from 50 to 45 with my specified twist and many barrels renegade and Hawken 45 to 50 /54 to 62 1-60 twist 50 to58 1-55/56 to 62 (smoothy) and you get the idea . Your barrel built to your spec and real reasonable with out a big delay /a happy customer/Ed

[Good Cheer]

Last job, sent him samples of NEI #198-388 SWC, Ideal #386178 hollow base and a rifle to make shoot them.[smilie=w:

Now waiting on my .386 diameter push through sizer.
:drinks:

[Woodnbow]

Bob has done a few round ball rifles for me and I just received my hawken .40 caliber bullet barrel from him. Can’t wait to go shooting!

[Chihuahua Floyd]

Have you shot the existing barrel? If it looks like crud but still shoots good, why change anything?
Just asking.
CF

[725]

This thread is several years old, but the topic never goes out of style. The last two or three Hoyt has done for me only took a few weeks. Re-line a #4 .22 roller, "refresh" and rusty gun show treasure, & some other machining. He hasn't slowed from pandemic issues.

I picked up a $125 T/C Renegade in fantastic shape, well, except for the barrel, which had rust & pitting. Discussed it with him and rather than re-bore or re-line, he "refreshed" the existing bore - factory rate of twist, and all - with some round bottom rifling. It's beautiful. On my end, all I have to do is cast a true ~ actual ~ .540 round ball and used the right patch. It's too big, now, for a .530. .535 will work with a thick patch. If the rest of the gun is good enough, Hoyt can work his magic on the innards. Much cheaper than a new barrel, all things being equal.

[triggerhappy243]

Bob has done a few round ball rifles for me and I just received my hawken .40 caliber bullet barrel from him. Can’t wait to go shooting!

please post your findings. I am considering having a t/c barrel relined to a 40 cal. I got a 2 cavity rb mold, and it keeps screaming at me, I WANT A BARREL. LOL

[triggerhappy243]

I want to reline one of my renegade barrels to a slow twist 54 cal. And another to 40 cal. Roundball. Gettin all goose bumps reading all these posts.

[Woodnbow]

please post your findings. I am considering having a t/c barrel relined to a 40 cal. I got a 2 cavity rb mold, and it keeps screaming at me, I WANT A BARREL. LOLwell I was short on time and had other guns to shoot but the first 5 shots at 50 yards could be covered by a quarter. If I had one... spending all my spare change on these doggone muzzleloader! The gun shows promise though, it’s destined to be my antelope, prairie dog and back East deer rifle. I’ll chronograph the thing but I’m speculating a 330 or 400 grain bullet at 1400 or so...

[triggerhappy243]

bob has done a few round ball rifles for me and i just received my hawken .40 caliber bullet barrel from him. Can’t wait to go shooting!

did he do a relining on it? Or was it a custom barrel from scratch?

[Woodnbow]

It was a scrap .50 caliber barrel that he lined and then bored and rifled. He required three of my paper patched bullets so he could ream the barrel accurately to fit the bullets. He really should charge more for his work...
I’m not complaining mind you, but I’ve paid more and gotten less value from others.

[triggerhappy243]

It was a scrap .50 caliber barrel that he lined and then bored and rifled. He required three of my paper patched bullets so he could ream the barrel accurately to fit the bullets. He really should charge more for his work...
I’m not complaining mind you, but I’ve paid more and gotten less value from others.

what did he charge?

[Woodnbow]

225.00 including shipping back to me. I doubt you could buy a liner for that let alone custom rifling to the rate you want and reamed to fit the bullets you’re using...