Thompson/Center "Big Boar" .58cal impossible to find?

[Cag40Navy]

Howdy yall,

I know these are discontinued by googling it by it seems like zero are for sale or they are really, really hard to find. Was thinking about finding one but I'm slowly figuring out that it might be easier to ask and see if they even really exist. My interest was piqued when a friend showed me his that was his dad's and is taking it Elk hunting this season. Thought cool, maybe I should see who has one for sale only to find nothing. Are they around and where should I keep my eyes to have a good chance of finding one? Thanks in advance!

PS, thanks for the advice on the .54 Renegade!

[bubba.50]

not impossible to find but, tend to be a bit pricey when ya do find one. not unusual to see them in the 5 to 8 hundred price range.

[pietro]

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Make a Big Boar out of a Renegade......

Any 1" barreled T/C Hawken can be bored out to take a .58cal boolit or ball.


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[bubba.50]

there's one on gunbroker now. 300 dollar bid, reserve not met, buy now for 900 it has theT/C Vernier tang sight/Lyman 17 front sight on it.

there's also two Renegade stock assemblies with 58cal Green Mountain barrels listed.

[jjarrell]

If you have a Hawken or Renegade "The Gun Works" will build a drop in barrel up to .62 cal in a 1" barrel. Joe Williams does great work. He will build it up to 35" in length, not including the breech plug, and whatever twist and depth of rifling you want. Add about an inch and a half to the length with breech plug. He does it for $350 and it's a complete barrel in the white. Drop it in and shoot it. He built a .54 for me and it one holes them at 50 yards.

[Hellgate]

I tried to get one for quite a while and eventually bought an Enfield Musketoon. Got a nice cow elk with it. The 'Toon was much more affordable. The only Big Boars I had seen were rusted hulks. I'd post a picture but this website is a PITA to add photos.

[Good Cheer]

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Make a Big Boar out of a Renegade......

Any 1" barreled T/C Hawken can be bored out to take a .58cal boolit or ball.


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TC rebores, got a couple of .58's (flinter and percussion) and a .62 flinter.
Love 'em!

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy192/SNARGLEFLERK/th_62Rifle600RB120grFFg1533FPS_zpsf0b6da1a.mp4 (http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy192/SNARGLEFLERK/62Rifle600RB120grFFg1533FPS_zpsf0b6da1a.mp4)

[RBak]

I have a Renegade with a .58 T/C Big Boar barrel, along with a few other 1" barrels and, although I own several other muzzleloaders, the old Renegade, with my choice of one of the barrels for that day, has fast become my go-to gun.
The Big Boar with a 575213PH (Parker Hale) is indeed a fun gun out to 100 yds.
I've never shot a game animal with this barrel, but I have punched a lot of paper, shot hundreds of 'rocks', and had a lot of good fun with the Big Boar.
For punching Paper out to 50 yds I like 43gr Goex FFFg. It is comforting to the soul to see those small groups.
When I'm shooting at 100 yds, which I would consider a respectable hunting distance, it starts to get a little uncomfortable using over 110gr FFg, plus the groups start to open up a bit, but as long as I keep it at 80 / 90gr I can shoot a pound of powder by noon.

Note; Although I have 1:62 on that bbl, I honestly believe it is closer to 1:54...the best I can measure it.
I feel sure it is not a 1:48, and I have been told T/C produced a few of these with a 1:72, which I feel sure this one is not.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/RussB256/Guns/4calibers_zps9535ee78.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/RussB256/media/Guns/4calibers_zps9535ee78.jpg.html)

Russ

[dondiego]

That is a nice set up RBak. All you need now is a .32 or .36 cal. squirrel barrel!

[bubba.50]

I'd forget that small-bore barrel on a Renegade. I had one with a 36cal GM barrel on it. it had all the grace & handlin' ease of a 2x4 with a fence-tampin' bar tied to it. about needed wheels on the front to move it around. you'd hafta have arms like Popeye or Alley Oop to tote it huntin'.

[dagger dog]

Why not go for a repop Enfield short rifle or musketoon ? Pedersoli, and several other makers offer them. The NSSA uses these rifles and are known for their capabilities in the right hands. They are 575 caliber and there are many molds and sizing dies available to wring the best accuracy out of them.

[RBak]

I'd forget that small-bore barrel on a Renegade. I had one with a 36cal GM barrel on it. it had all the grace & handlin' ease of a 2x4 with a fence-tampin' bar tied to it. about needed wheels on the front to move it around. you'd hafta have arms like Popeye or Alley Oop to tote it huntin'.

LOL..Ya gotta way with words Bubba!
I suspect the reason I think that's so funny is the fact I was once offered me a trade on a .32cal, (maybe it was .36, but the best I remember it was a .32) from GM and if memory serves me right it was a 32 incher, "arms like Popeye or Alley Oop" was the exact same thought that ran through my mind when I hefted that bad boy on my Renegade.....My goodness!
I don't know, I betcha they didn't sell many of those.

Russ...

[bubba.50]

yeh, I didn't even get to shoot mine as the only way I coulda shot it woulda been downhill 'cause it was too heavy for anything else & both fish & game department ranges in my area slant uphill. I woulda blowed my toes off or worse.

[dondiego]

You just hafta use a "gunbearer" like in Africa!

[RBak]

I got a couple of PM asking about my Big Boar.
It's easy to tell a true T/C Big Boar. They are well marked with a Boar's head and the name Big Boar
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/RussB256/Guns/Boar_zpsnepc0azk.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/RussB256/media/Guns/Boar_zpsnepc0azk.jpg.html)
Like several others, I have also read / heard they were only made with a 1:48 Twist.
And, like many others I have talked to, I am not totally sure of that.

Here's the deal.....My barrel is 26" long. It was well marked on each side at exactly the one-half diameter barrel mark...using a nylon brush, tightly wrapped with a well oiled cloth and a Dewy rotating rod with masking tape around it, the lower tape was marked right on the screw threads of the nylon brush with a thin line mark and inserted into barrel.
The inserted rotating rod ended roughly 3/8" before the one-half diameter barrel mark....
Sooo...26" + 26" would give a twist rate of 1:52
But, since it went 3/8" before the one-half diameter barrel mark my first calculations was a twist rate of about 1:62. Later, with a bit of help with the math, the two us decided the twist rate was closer to 1:54 or 1:56 and, personally, I had never heard of such a twist rate before in a rifles barrel.

Also, since a peep sight sounded good to Paul, the rifle does have a Lyman 57 Peep sight.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/RussB256/Guns/Lyman%2057smj_zps4trge3gj.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/RussB256/media/Guns/Lyman%2057smj_zps4trge3gj.jpg.html)

The Trigger guard / Kick plate, which is all one unit, was done by Tom Knight in Las Vegas.
That 'button' on the end is for a quick disconnect sling.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/RussB256/Guns/Trgr%20guard%20kick%20plate_zpsyfdtbmlv.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/RussB256/media/Guns/Trgr%20guard%20kick%20plate_zpsyfdtbmlv.jpg.html)

Once again, here it is with all four barrels.
I had a 1".45 cal barrel but I traded it off.
Like Bubba said, some of these 1" barrels can get really heavy. Far to heavy for an old fat guy to pack around.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/RussB256/Guns/4calibers_zps9535ee78.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/RussB256/media/Guns/4calibers_zps9535ee78.jpg.html)

Russ..

[siamese4570]

I got one years ago and swapped the original barrel for a 58 cal green mountail barrel in 58 cal with a slow round ball twist. Can't remember if it's 1:66 or 1:72. Reason that I switched is that I lost interest in 58 cal maxi balls after I fired some with a full charge. That will loosen your fillings! I have the T/C tang sight on it. Works well. Have killed a couple of deer with it. The other guys on my hunting lease all use inlines and think that I'm on dope for using an "old timey" gun. They really looked at me funny when I showed up with a flintlock. Oh well, I guess that's why there's chocolate and vanilla.
siamese4570

[10 ga]

I have a Cabelas "traditional Hawken" in 58. Got it at a good price when they discontinued the 45 and 58 cal in their line. It shoots great, 1/48 twist. I use the .565 RB and pillow tick patch and prefer Swiss 1.5F "Holy Black". I did fit it with a "Spit Fire" musket cap nipple and it goes boom every time. As my eyes have aged I've had to use optic sights and don't use my traditionals any more in hunting. From 94 to 07 it was my standard field ML and killed many deer. Never had to track ANY as that 58calX270grain RB killed like a strike of lightning. My brother has one of those break action ML from H&R in 58, don't know the name but they don't make them any more, it also is a killer of the most dependable sort. Good luck on your search. 10ga

[siamese4570]

To comment on 10 Ga's post, my 58 T/C works ok but I can't tell much difference than my 50. Of course, I've only killed two deer with it. The first one I killed with it was about 40-50 yds away quartering slightly toward me. He dropped at the shot but was still alive when I got to him so I finished him with my Ruger old army. Where I hit him would have been a high lung shot. When I field dressed him, I didn't see any holes through the ribcage. When we skinned him we discovered that the ball had deflected off his ribs. It cracked a couple of ribs fairly high on his side and I guess the 58 cal ball transferred enough shock to his spine via the ribs that it temporarily paralyzed him. If I hadn't finished him quickly he would have run off and survived. One of those wierd things that happen.

siamese4570