Tell me about the 35 Remington

[osteodoc08]

Had a dear friend of mine give me several hundred pieces of 35 Remington brass. I also have a Cabelas gift card with some money on it, so I picked up a set of dies. Now, my LGS has a used JM Marlin 336 in 35 Remington at a really good price since most want 30-30 around here.

What at can everyone tell me about their experience with the cartridge, ease of loading, accuracy potential, or anything of interest about the cartridge. I have a plethora of 357/38 moulds and can cast for everything up to 200gr.

[buckwheatpaul]

Outstanding old cartridge that will haul the mail and put venison or black bear meat on the table........my 336 is a 1952 ballard rifling and is a tack driver for this type of round....would not trade or sell it!

[Prodigal Son]

Well it is the only Remington cartridge to survive to date, 25, 30, 32, 35 Remington! So that being said, it just works, like any 35 cal boolit! Mine is a pre-micro groove and that's not stay one micro'd ain't no good! My late Uncle enjoyed great success with his micro and RCBS 200 gr. GC! Killed a many of deer on Amos's stand in our neck of the woods in LA! That's Lower Arkansas for you city folks! You'll like her! Helps if they are a little on hard side!

[Prodigal Son]

And buckwheatpaul I like how you quote the Gipper!

[Pumpkinheaver]

Great deer and bear cartridge. I used to have a Marlin and a TC Contender chambered for it. Sadly I sold them like an idiot. I liked 200gr Hornadys in mine. They were hard to find a few years ago, not sure about the current supply situation.

[dverna]

Brass hard to find but if have several hundred you are good for a while. Great cartridge

[Kestrel4k]

Just about /any/ .35 caliber rifle cartridge is better than most any non-.35 caliber cartridge. :)

[Mk42gunner]

My first 336CS (from 1987) in .35 Remington really liked a warmish load of H335 behind a Hornady 200 Gr RN. I haven't gotten to play around with cast in it or the 1950 vintage 336A yet.

They do have a bit more recoil than a .30-30, makes sense though, a heavier projectile at similar speeds from the same platform.

Robert

[JesterGrin_1]

I have no idea where you might live and or what you plan to do with the 35 Remington. But as noted the 35 Remington just as the 358 Winchester and the 35 Whelen are all darn fine hunting rounds and can be very accurate to the point of surprise. :)

I will say right off the bat that even though this is a Cast Boolit forum Hornady makes a fine Levervolution round that is a 2OO Gr soft pointed bullet that I have yet to hear a bad thing about from its ability to shoot far flatter than other loads along with accuracy and very good game taking ability. But it is right around $30.00 per 20 rounds. :(

I have messed with it some for my old Marlin 336 in 35 Remington and I have to say read everything you can on the cartridge as the Marlins in 35 Remington have a very short if not almost none existent throat which means one has to be careful of the Overall length of the cartridge or to say they can be a bit picky on bullet design as to where the ogive is.

As for boolit selection and from what I remember the 35-200 mould is probably the best out there for the .35 Remington and the Marlin as far as cast boolits go.

I will say however that when one is full length sizing the 35 Remington case you have to be very careful as if you go to far down the case then it is very easy to crush it just enough for it not to chamber.

As for powders and jacketed rounds many swear by TAC powder. But as with many rifle cartridges that are in the .358 there are probably many powders that will work well.


Have fun and enjoy probably one of the best hunting cartridges around. :)

[gon2shoot]

It works.

[buckwheatpaul]

Brass hard to find but if have several hundred you are good for a while. Great cartridge

GRUMPA makes beautiful 35 Rem. brass from .308 brass.....works smooth as butter.

[nekshot]

I sure hope you bought the rifle, didn't you???

[A pause for the COZ]

Still on my to get list. Have the dies and some brass, just need to find the right Remington model 14 to go along with it.

[gtgeorge]

Is that LGS near me? :bigsmyl2: I'll be glad to go pick it up.

[RU shooter]

It's probably the best ctg or deer and black bear around long as your normal shots aren't past 150 yds , easy to load for with cast bullets even at full power jacketed speeds , lots of bullet options to pick from from light weight plinkers using a 125 gr up through 250 gr if the nose ain't too long , been using the 35 for deer for over 30 plus seasons never had to shot one twice .

[Buckeye509]

I was at the range several days ago with my 336, using some reloads using mixed factory and that of Grumpa. I really shooting that rifle as it is surprisingly accurate. The only game it has accounted for was a nice size hog taken several decades ago in S. Florida. Literally knocked him off his feet and he was DOA when he hit the ground.

[RPRNY]

Well, it pales in comparison to the 35 Krag, but once we have recognized that fact and lamented it, we can celebrate the good things of the 35 Remington: 1) it is chambered in a great rifle - the Marlin 336 2) it has less recoil than virtually any of the other 35 cal rifle rounds still going 3) it makes bigger entry holes in things than even the 338 Lapua Magnum 4) it is an economical 35 cal cartridge for which ammo is still made on occasion.

The 336 in 35 Rem makes a great 150 yard deer and black bear combo and a great hog slayer.

[Good Cheer]

My first 336CS (from 1987) in .35 Remington really liked a warmish load of H335 behind a Hornady 200 Gr RN. I haven't gotten to play around with cast in it or the 1950 vintage 336A yet.

They do have a bit more recoil than a .30-30, makes sense though, a heavier projectile at similar speeds from the same platform.

Robert

That's what my Remington Model 81 liked. H335 and the Hornady 200 RN, when I wasn't shooting wheel weights.
Sold it 'cause of the scope offset for a righthand shooter.

[dragon813gt]

Mine likes long walks in the woods while being shot every now and then.

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I'm a fan of the walks myself but the older I get the more I hate the walk out after a successful shot ;)

35 Remington is a quintessential PA game cartridge. Hard to find families where no one shoots it. I find it fairly soft shooting. I'm not a fan of recoil and try to avoid it as much as possible. It has it's limitations but if you stay w/in them it will drop what you're after. I carry it during our concurrent deer/bear season. If it's just deer I prefer the lighter 1894C.

[RustyMusket]

Mine likes walks in the woods too....173657

[JesterGrin_1]

All very good points about the Ole 35 Remington except for 1 and that would be that today with the powders and bullets such as the Hornady 200Gr FTX that are available the Ole 35 Remington is no longer just a 150 yard hunting rifle. Now it can be used to great effect to over 200 yards.

But if one decides to stay with cast boolits then the as mentioned around 150 yards is a good rule of thumb I would think.
I could be wrong but my Ole rule of thumb is that depending on load the 35 Remington is a good hunting round up to around 200 yards the 358 Winchester right around 300 yards and the 35 Whelen if after bigger critters such as Elk is a good 400 yard thumper. :)

[imashooter2]

The RCBS 35-200 is the mold you want. I like them over RL7 and accuracy is best with full speed loads. The pistol molds I tried were no great shakes, and as soon as I got hold of the RCBS mold I forgot all about them.

[rosewood]

I don't have it in a lever gun, but do have a single shot CVA. Mine likes H4198 with the Hornady 180 GR SSP which is no longer available. It also shoots well with my Lee .358-200 grain RNFP mold. Shot two hogs last season with the 180 SSp and dropped them like a hammer and no blood shot meat. I think you are gonna love it.

Rosewood

[Smoke4320]

I will second the RCBS mold or the NOE copy of the same if you want HPs or more than 2 cavities

[Good Cheer]

Asked Uncle Jim about his back oh, round about 1976, out at Gunsight, TX.
He used 200 grain round noses, wouldn't touch the 150's.
Said that out to 200 yards the deer was his. But that after 200 he didn't have clue where it went.
:razz:

[rosewood]

But that after 200 he didn't have clue where it went.
:razz:

The deer or the boolit?? :)

[Yodogsandman]

It's a legendary "bang, flop" rifle around here.

For jacketed, try using the Hornady 200 gr RN over Reloader 7 at 2080 FPS.

[GSaltzman]

I'll second the comment on brass made by GRUMPA. Good stuff!

[BAGTIC]

And buckwheatpaul I like how you quote the Gipper!

"We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the law breaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions." President Ronald Reagan

[nekshot]

I think that Lane fellow(his name slips my mind) did a nice write up called "Super 35 Loads" and he presented a good picture for the 35 in a good strong action. Kinda funny how some guys turn up their nose and say why not get a 358 when we talk of a little more oomph from a 35 and all that tells me is he never played with the 35 Remmy!

[725]

+2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or however many it's up to now........................... on the 35-200. "Try it, you'll like it."

[jimb16]

Definitely an under-rated cartridge!

[osteodoc08]

Ok. 240 casings deprimed, resized, trimmed, chamfered, ultrasonic cleaned and now in the tumbler.

What to cast for it and what sizer size to use. I have:

NOE 360180
NOE 360154
NOE 358429

Is this an excuse to buy another mold? I'd prefer to stick with NOE if there is one suitable.

Load suggestions? Can't wait to shoot this caliber.

[Pb4me]

My experience with a .35 is limited to a 1927 model Remington model 8. After trying several loads with Lyman's #358315 which is the 200 grain round nose, it showed the most accuracy with 20.5 grains of SR4759 with a Remington primer. The average for six shots was 1735 FPS with an extreme spread of 58.5 FPS and a standard deviation of 21.88. I've had loads show less spread and deviation but this was the most accurate. I guess SR is history now but the guy I buy from still has it. Hope this helps.

[imashooter2]

Ok. 240 casings deprimed, resized, trimmed, chamfered, ultrasonic cleaned and now in the tumbler.

What to cast for it and what sizer size to use. I have:

NOE 360180
NOE 360154
NOE 358429

Is this an excuse to buy another mold? I'd prefer to stick with NOE if there is one suitable.

Load suggestions? Can't wait to shoot this caliber.

The 360-180 and 360-154 probably won't chamber unless you load them WAY short. Too much full size body in front of the crimp groove. The 358429 might work, but I'd rather have a check to make life easy.

Has anyone mentioned that the RCBS 35-200-FN is a good mold in the .35 Rem? [smilie=1:

[Good Cheer]

Did a preliminary design sketch yesterday on a gas checked boolit using the SAAMI chamber drawing for the .35 Remington, trying to figure out how to best get cast to work with the Indiana regulatory mandate of 1.8" maximum case length. Figuring that if a design can be got on paper it would be easy enough to add a second crimp groove for normal length. Making 1.8" work is kinda tough.

Maybe paper patches would be better. With the case mouth lip rounded and the brass well annealed maybe paper will work. Protecting the patch while cycling through the action... working on ideas.

[Texas by God]

One of the ones that got away was a .35 Rem 336T. I had a Leupold 2x compact on it and it was perfect for its purpose-killing deer quickly. And shooting small groups with 200 gr bullets. Get that Marlin! Best, Thomas.

[GRUMPA]

Did a preliminary design sketch yesterday on a gas checked boolit using the SAAMI chamber drawing for the .35 Remington, trying to figure out how to best get cast to work with the Indiana regulatory mandate of 1.8" maximum case length. Figuring that if a design can be got on paper it would be easy enough to add a second crimp groove for normal length. Making 1.8" work is kinda tough.

Maybe paper patches would be better. With the case mouth lip rounded and the brass well annealed maybe paper will work. Protecting the patch while cycling through the action... working on ideas.

When folks ordered brass from me, from Indiana, I just trimmed the case to 1.795 and all is fine. Yeah to me it looks kinda funny with the short neck but the reports back don't indicate any sort of accuracy suffering because of it.

[izzyjoe]

In a Marlin the 35 is the best woods rifle ever made, light, handy, and powerful!

[Hickok]

I have always liked the .35 Rem. in a rifle or a Super 14 Contender barrels. I have taken deer and boar with the cartridge.

An old seasoned bear hunter I know said it was a better stopper of black bears than the .30/30 in his years of experience. Of that I don't know, but to me it is a very good caliber.

[lolbell]

RCBS 35 200 GC sized to 360 (micro groove) and enough IMR4227 for about 1750 fps work really well in both of mine. A fine 150 yard woods rifle.

[Nrut]

Have an older ballard rifled 336SC coming, that should be here the end of the week or the following Monday (15th same day bear season opens)..
First up is going to be the mold Ranch Dog designed for the Marlin 336 in .35 Rem.
173924

173923

Have a original RCBS and LEE group buy RCBS clone (223 grs.) along with a BRP PP mold to run thru the rifle also..
Powders tried first will be LvR, H335 and H322..

Osteodoc, get the Marlin and join the fun..

[300 TC]

Nrut, do you know of anyone that sells that boolit?

[BK1]

Have a 35 whelen n two 35 rems, a 141 pump n a m 336 nearly interchangeable with CB loads in the field.Rcbs 35-200's run bout 1600-1900 fps to find a sweet spot loaded with the largest diameter that will chamber 1-3moa.I use approx 50/50 ww-n-soft water dropped.Have popped many deer,two elk,two bear and I think four antelope 20-175ish yds they all react much the same as being hit with my .338 win.fall down or not no guessing if they are hit or not"mid to high drama".I live in Montana n hunt Idaho,Wyoming and Canada when I canover 90 percent of shots on game in the last 45 years have been well under 200 yds,,,Long range western hunting.All are great CB launchers plinking or on game,,to me anyway.

[RU shooter]

Have an older ballard rifled 336SC coming, that should be here the end of the week or the following Monday (15th same day bear season opens)..
First up is going to be the mold Ranch Dog designed for the Marlin 336 in .35 Rem.
173924

173923



Plus one for the RD 190 gr. may not be the most aerodynamic bullet around but boy does it do a job on deer !

[Nrut]

Nrut, do you know of anyone that sells that boolit?
NOE just ran a run of these molds:
http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/index.php?cPath=71_78&sort=2a&page=2

Accrate Molds makes one simular or the same:
http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=36-195R-D.png

edit: I should add the bullet mold I show above in post #42 SC359-190-RF is the regular lube groove design..

The run NOE just made is the original TL design TLC359-190-RF..

I have an old LEE group buy ran by Ranch Dog that is TL ..
I run it both ways, TL or through the lubrasizer for shooting in my .357 Low Wall..

[osteodoc08]

***UPDATE***

The Marlin that I was going to purchase ended up being sold. There was a Remlin, but the fit and finish was sub par.

As as luck would have it, on the Georgia Outdoor Trader, there was a pre safety Marlin up for sale at a very reasonable price. The only catch was that it had been D&T for a vintage scope mount......but it was straight and had filler screws in it. Went to look at it anyhow and the K serial number code dates it to 1953. it has been well taken care of and while not pristine, I'd say 85+% with some honest bluing wear but otherwise smooth as silk.

cant wait to get my mold in and lob some lead down range.

[Good Cheer]

Picked up a new-to-me yesterday.
Puzzling over how to make it work with paper patched... bound to be a way!

[Nrut]

Picked up a new-to-me yesterday.
Puzzling over how to make it work with paper patched... bound to be a way!
Good Cheer,
Do you have a RCBS .359" 200gr. mold?
If so get a push thru die .001" over your bore dia. (not groove)..
Should be around .351"or smaller depending on your rifle..
Then patch up that bullet "over the ogive" and size the patched bullet so you can barely hand seat in your unsized fired case..
I start the bullet by hand so it is straight in the case and finish off the seating with the seating die..
Fill the case to the base of the bullet with a slower than normal powder so you have some compression so the bullet can't be shoved deeper into the case..

I just received my first Marlin 336SC .35 Rem. (K made in 53 just like osteodoc8's) yesterday..
Today I slowly worked up to 38grs of H335 surplus powder I have under a RCBS 200 (213grs.)
While I was at it I dug up some old 215gr. PP bullets I wrapped several years ago just to see if they would feed thru the 336 without tearing the paper and they fed fine with no tearing except for one bullet I didn't patch high enough over the ogive..

Here is an old thread by McFred PP'ing his Rem. Model 81 Autoloader with the same BRP PP bullet I have..

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?241536-Patching-a-35Rem-Remington-Model-81-Autoloader

Note what the loaded round looks like and that the PP runs up and over the ogive break..
The ones I fed and fired through the Marlin today looke the same as his..
You don't want any lead exposed to the bore, which means forget about PP only as far as the crimp groove as you were asking about on another thread..

I would ship you some of my BRP PP bullets but I live north of the medicine line and I am sure US customs would frown on that..

As you may know BRP has gone out of business but it would be no trick for Tom at Accurate Molds to make you one..
I thought NOE ran a copy of the BRP PP mold, but I didn't see it on their website just now..

My first priority is to work-up loads for the RCBS grease groove and RD TL molds as hunting season starts soon and if I can get those two bullets shot accurately with AC 50/50 I really don't need a PP bullet at .35 Rem velocities..
yet..:-D
Good luck with your new/old .35 Reminton..

[Good Cheer]

Thank you for the input.

[pull the trigger]

I have killed 3 whitetail dear with the Hornady Leverevoloution and experienced no expansion at all. The dear died but they didnt bleed. I was not impressed

[RU shooter]

I have killed 3 whitetail dear with the Hornady Leverevoloution and experienced no expansion at all. The dear died but they didnt bleed. I was not impressed

interesting , Never used them but thought by the looks of them they would've expanded well, was it factory ammo or hand loads using the bullet ? Range ? Maybe it's time for you switch to cast:lovebooli

[pull the trigger]

They were factory loads all well under 100 yards. More like 30-65 yards. Used them because I didnt have a cast load worked up yet.

[TXGunNut]

Mine has put a fair bit of meat in the freezer in years past using the RD boolit. I don't think of it as a particularly powerful round but it has a knack of putting deer and even bigger hogs on the ground NOW.

[Good Cheer]

In the forwhatitsworth department, I'm looking at making a 358156 into an adjustable length .35 Remington boolit by having the SWC nose made bore rider diameter. That's with a WFN business end.
Still working on the idea and figgerin' the chamber dimensions. I don't think there will be any feed issues but have to make up some dummies to simulate the geometry and cycle test.
The two conditions driving the idea are what I've come to refer to as Indiana goofy reg #1.8 (that's a 1.8" maximum allowable case length) and having an adjustable length mold. The .35 has that little bitty short neck that gets even shorter with GR#1.8 so the length adjustment would be in the bore riding portion.
358156 has two crimp grooves so it might be a pretty good place to start.
At this juncture I'm concerned about the rather minuscule lube groove... I'd prefer bigger.

[Bulldogger]

Want to add my thanks for the good info on molds and loads here. Just last week I picked up a Model 14 in .35Rem from my neighbor who is thinning his herd post-retirement before moving to a smaller home in the country. I bought some Hornady ammo to get the brass as much as to have something to shoot in it. The rifling is worn but visible, maybe .25 mm left. I suspect jacketed will not be terribly accurate past 60-70 yards, but I bet some heavy-cast .358's will do the trick.
Bulldogger

[Djones]

I have killed 3 whitetail dear with the Hornady Leverevoloution and experienced no expansion at all. The dear died but they didnt bleed. I was not impressed

Same here. Bullets were way too tough.

Started casting that next spring and never looked back.

35-200 over 40-41 grains of LVR. Works in 4 Marlin micro grooves that my family and friends hint with.