Official Shiloh Sharps Image Thread

[Just Duke]

Let's see you Shiloh Sharps Rifles. :-D

[ridurall]

I picked this Shiloh Sharps up from a friend a few months ago. My wife decided she wanted a Sharps and I asked him which brand he prefered. He told me that Shiloh was the one to get but a week later called me as asked me if I wanted to purchase his. He also had about a $1000 worth of ammo, brass, mould and sights on the gun. It's chambered for 45/70 and has Baldwin Long Range Soule rear sights with Winchester front sights. I'd been out of casting bullets for quite a few years but getting this gun really got me back into it with a vengence. I've been having a ball shooting it. I wish we had some long range shooters close to SW Oklahoma that I could shoot with but life goes on. I've got my own range that is 260 yards outside my front door. It's pretty handy and nice to be able to shoot in the evening. I've also got 400 acres near Mangum Oklahoma where I can shoot long range and one of these days I'm going to give it a try.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2146/sharpsstockoe3.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7/sharpscheekpieceqx7.jpg

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2709/sharpsrifledc6.jpg

[mtnman31]

I already posted this in another thread but figured I'd add it to the more appropriate thread.

Hartford Model, 45-70, heavy full octagon barrel, MVA buffalo soule rear and spirit globe front sight. Hopefully, I can get an elk with it this fall.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8110&d=1216565724

[Freightman]

Here is mine

[PatMarlin]

Beautiful rifles. I want to go shoot with you ridurall... :drinks:

[zampilot]

I'll post pics of mine when I get it!

[Pat I.]

Here's my two Shilohs. Top is a LRE in 45/70 and bottom is a #3 in 40/65. Both wear MVA sights. Thinking of selling the LRE but only FTF in northern Illinois.

[PatMarlin]

Nice. I like those half round barrels.

[Turboman]

It took me 30 years of wanting,But I Finally got me a Shiloh. Shes a long range express in 45 90 caliber,Pretty isnt she? :mrgreen:
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee77/turboman4570/IMG_0899.jpg

[Just Duke]

She is a godess.

[PatMarlin]

That looks like the 30 year wait was more than worth it.. :drinks:

[Jon K]

Pat,

You're DROOLING, buy one, or order one, and don't look back. Just enjoy it.

Jon

[PatMarlin]

I know it Jon.

One day I will order one.

[Jon K]

Pat,

If you're in the neighborhood, we'll go and shoot some.

Jon

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l101/Jon_K_2006/DSC_0001-21.jpg

[Just Duke]

That looks like an original Jon.
I have mine shipping as we speak.

[PatMarlin]

You gotta deal. You may have told me in the past, but what part if the golden state are you at Jon?

[Just Duke]

Jon is a great and very knowledgable guy Pat. You will like him. We have talked for many hours on the phone.

[PatMarlin]

That looks like an original Jon.
I have mine shipping as we speak.


That is a beauty, is it an original?

[Jon K]

It's not an original guys..........it's a '98 gun, just rebarreled in '07.

Pat,
I'm in Lake Elsinore.

Jon

[zampilot]

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d165/zampilot/Shiloh%20Montana%20Roughrider/DSC03211.jpg

45-70, 34" barrel, full buckhorn and a Shiloh rear sight. Made in March, 1994, looks to be unfired.

[PatMarlin]

Nice. Nicelog furniture too. Did you make that?

[zampilot]

Nope not me. A local guy up the road in the middle of Minnesota, him, his wife and son. It's really easy to drop some $$ at his shop. Almost as bad as seeing a Shiloh marked down, lookin' lonesome on a pawnshop rack.

[jackley]

Man I want one too!! If anybody wants to trade one for a 6PPC bench gun let me know..

Jerry

[Bullshop]

What is that 6ppc ya got there? I have been shopping for one. What I am looking for is one of the Sako single shot varminters.
BIC/BS

[jackley]

Its a full blown bench gun. Panda action, Broughton BBl, Jewel trigger, McMillian stock, Weight system. Light BBl is a Hart. Leupold 45 power scope, Kelby rings, and glued in action. .262 necks. This gun has shot in the 0's many a time.


Jerry

[felix]

Jerry, light varmint? ... felix

[jackley]

Felix;

The Broughton Bbl is Heavy and the Hart is light. The weight system in the stock comes out and makes it a Light.

Jerry

[felix]

Next question, Jerry. Will both barrels still shoot in the high ones? I am assuming they are out of commission for competition, and if so they would be ready for cast with their elongated throats. Surprisingly, my BR 22/40 will shoot cast all day long at half inch with a quite a few of different loads and boolits after it became absolutely worn out for serious money at about 800 rounds. It has now 15,000 rounds and still going strong with high pressure cast. ... felix

[jackley]

Felix;

The Broughten still shoots in the O's. The Hart in the 1's. The Broughten has Approx.1250 rds. The Hart less then 200.

Jerry

[felix]

Both are still competitive. No reason to pawn them off as a cast mo'sheen just yet. ... felix

[jackley]

Felix;

No both Bbl's still shoot but bench shoots here are getting scarcer, and I would like to try a Sharps. I don't live that far from the Quigley..

Jerry

[felix]

Jerry, I'd bet the Bullshop boys would love to have that gun, barrels, and the required incidentals. Maybe someone else can jump into this thread making the trade affordable for our Alaskan brothers. ... felix

[Bullshop]

Felix
You have a generous heart, a sign of the holy spirit. God bless you brother.
He said he is looking for a Sharps and we sold our last Sharps about a week ago.
I do still have my Quiggly rifle. Its a Browning 1885 BPCR in 45/70. Even though I feel quite certain I will never get there again and that we have no competition here that I can get to I just cant seem to bear the thought of parting with it.
I suppose if I thought on it for awhile it might get easier but I dont know for sure.
We also have an origonal sporting Rem roller with octigon top and pistal grip in 38/55 but Jr has an attatchment to that one. He use it to good effect at a match at Amidon N.D. right alongside his Dad. He made me look bad at the 600 yard target. It was a wierd shap of a T-rex that ran at more of a diagonal than verticle. I was going just under or just over, real close but no clang. Jr. the little bugger (he was little then but 6'4" now)
was clanging every shot, young eyes ya know. Anyway I dont know how he would feel about letting that one go, the one he beat Dad with.
Just want to thank you Felix for thinking about us that way. If Jr. gets his mits on that bench gun he just may proove beyond doubt who the real shooter is in this family.
Blessings
BIC/BS

[BPCR Bill]

Here is mine, a Bryant from 1995, 45x 2 7/8", 34" #1 heavy full octagon barrel. Sights are Axtells reproduction Sharps Vernier and Globe front, no spirit level. I'm replacing the tang sight with a MVA Long Range Buffalo Soule next month. I don't get to shoot it again until April.

[Alan in WI]

Here is my Saddle Rifle. Ordered from Bill Goodman in April 2008. I received it about a month ago.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj183/alans49/SR1_resize.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj183/alans49/SR2_resize.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj183/alans49/SR4_resize.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj183/alans49/SR5_resize.jpg

Alan

[BPCR Bill]

Very nice rifle Allen! Goodman usually has them in stock, did he order that for you from Shiloh?

[WildmanJack]

Finally saved up enough to get myself a Pedersoli Creedmore #2, 30 " barrel and a set trigger that will go off if u think about it. Didn't care for the sights that came witih it so I installed a Kelly long range tang sight and a Kelly hooded front with the bubble level. Now we can see if I can hit something with it..

Jack

[Alan in WI]

Hey Bill, Yep that was a custom order I placed with Bill. It really turned out better than I anticipated. I was a little disappointed with the wood finish, I ordered AA finish. I removed the wood and decided to have at it myself. It took almost two weeks to obtain the results I was happy with. It's no wonder the prices are high.

Alan

[Ron B.]

Hello Guys!
What a display of absolutely gorgeous rifles! The wood on the BG Sharps is breath-taking!

I just noticed; this thread is for SHILOH Sharps! I only own one Shiloh; the rest are C. Sharps.
If anyone objects, just let me know; I'll delete and replace.

Sharps; what can anyone say better? I absolutely love them, owning a couple.
I own three calibers, at the present; 32-40, 45-70, and 45-120. The Lone Star Rolling Block is also 45-120. I've got two more of those arriving in the next week, or so according to Dave Higginbotham. One's going to be 38-55; the other, 50-70. Can't wait! Out of all my Sharps, my Model 1874 Shiloh is perhaps my favorite. It's hard to tell, as I love them all while shooting them! They are all tack drivers; if I do my part.

Six Sharps Sharps Standing!!!
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm126/GoldenRoyBoy/SIXSHARPS-1.jpg

A Rolling Block & Two Sharps
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm126/GoldenRoyBoy/SHARPS-RB-2.jpg

Thank you CBs for allowing me space to share!
GRB

[BPCR Bill]

GRB, Nice collection. At one time, C. Sharps and Shiloh were the same entity, John Schofstal and Wolfgang Droege "Partnering" for lack of a better term. The older Shilohs bear the "Old Reliable" trademark, now it is just the C. Sharps rifles that have that. The older Shilohs have Wolfgangs Wolfs Head cartouche stamped on the barrel, as he was the barrel maker as well for those rifles.

Regards,
Bill

[Gussy]

This my main big game rifle. 45-2.6 with Malcom scope.





http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd47/jimc99328/shilohhammer14.jpg

And it works!! ( a couple of years back)
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd47/jimc99328/deer06-7.jpg

[stillhunter]

The good book says not to covet, so I'll have to look away... Beautiful piece, congrats!!

[Kenny Wasserburger]

Here is a couple pics of my newest addition to my growing Shiloh Collection.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q71/kwasserburger/PhoenixandDora043.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q71/kwasserburger/PhoenixandDora040.jpg

Dast Lunger

45-110 Long Range 25 Lb Barrel

[BPCR Bill]

Nice one Kenny. You don't see high cheek pieces like that, truly a custom touch. Nice perch belly on the butt as well.

Regards,
Bill

[Griff]

And, I've only got one... but I like it!

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/sass93/DSCF0005.jpg

[zampilot]

Beautiful rifle! And the best use for a cell phone I've seen!

[PatMarlin]

Does anyone know how long it takes to get one of these 45-70's from Shiloh with the works done to it? FOREVER!!! [smilie=l: :holysheep
So it finally arrived. Undamaged if you can believe that. :holysheep

http://www.westcoastminisplitter.com/SHILOHSHARPS1.jpg



Beauty Duke! ....:cbpour:

[Lead pot]

Here is one with engraving from Ms. Suzi Bradley.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b302/940Leadpot/IMG_0277-1.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b302/940Leadpot/IMG_0278_1.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b302/940Leadpot/IMG_0296.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b302/940Leadpot/IMG_0102_1_1_1-2.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b302/940Leadpot/IMG1.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b302/940Leadpot/IMG_0205.jpg

[Just Duke]

Thanks Pat. I deleted my two post because I thought the pictures I took looked bad bad. I will surely never be a photographer. Anyway here they are again.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/SHILOH%20SHARPS/SHILOHSHARPS2.jpg

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/SHILOH%20SHARPS/SHILOHSHARPS6.jpg


http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/SHILOH%20SHARPS/SHILOHSHARPS3.jpg

[Lead pot]

Aint nothing wrong with those photo's I love that case!

[longranger]

Here's my two, 45-70 another Bill Goodman gun #1 Sporter the other is a #1 Sporter as well ,32" half round 40-70 Sharps Straight.

[Just Duke]

A little better pics.


http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/006-1.jpg

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/005-1.jpg

[xtimberman]

That rifle is a real beaut, Duke!

Have you built the wooden case for it yet?

xtm

[Idaho Sharpshooter]

Turbo,

is that the new Soule "Wasserburger" model? On my way back to Idaho from Quigley this year I stopped and bought the LR model and a Hadley Magnum eyecup for my 45-90. This year was a real expensive trip.
I bought two CZ rifles in 404 Jeffery and 505 Gibbs on the way. then a three barrel set CPA (22lr, 40-65 and 45-70) and then stopped in Belgrade at MVA on the way home. They always see me coming.
Last year I slid thru with only a 45-70 Axtell M1877 heavy Sporter.

Is there anything as lovely to behold as a fine single shot rifle wrapped in figured walnut?

Rich

[Marlin Hunter]

Hello Guys!
What a display of absolutely gorgeous rifles! The wood on the BG Sharps is breath-taking!


Six Sharps Sharps Standing!!!
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm126/GoldenRoyBoy/SIXSHARPS-1.jpg

A Rolling Block & Two Sharps
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm126/GoldenRoyBoy/SHARPS-RB-2.jpg

Thank you CBs for allowing me space to share!
GRB



Awesome looking rifles, and you have the perfect backdrop for owning them.

[cwskirmisher]

I know this thread is under BP Cartridge - but a Shiloh is still a Shiloh, right?? Here's my 1863 carbine. Just a couple of pics to highlight the gorgeous case coloring and wood to metal fit and finish.. Shiloh does a superb job.

[Alan in WI]

I took delivery around Thanksgiving. Shiloh sure makes quality rifles. It shoots real nice too.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj183/alans49/Sporter%201/nr5_resize.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj183/alans49/Sporter%201/nr8_resize.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj183/alans49/Sporter%201/nr8_resize.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj183/alans49/Sporter%201/nr21_resize.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj183/alans49/Sporter%201/nr10_resize.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj183/alans49/Sporter%201/newrifle1_resize.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj183/alans49/Sporter%201/nr12_resize.jpg

[docone31]

Those are some of the most beautiful rifles I have ever seen! The engraveing is amazing.
They are truly treasures.
I am breathless.

[PatMarlin]

I give a 10+ on that one Alan. Sweet- one of these nicest in detail I have ever seen in one for my tastes.

[BPCR Bill]

Yeah, Suzy Bradley is one talented engraver. She does all the fine engraving for Shiloh.

[Alan in WI]

It's not just the engraving that makes the rifle beautiful; every detail is about as perfect as you can get it. They do some awesome work.

Alan

[pacecars]

Montana Roughrider, 30 inch 1/2 octagon barrel with full buck horn barrel sight and a sporting tang sight in .40-70 2 1/4" BN
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/pacecars/DSC_0012-6.jpg

[Seth Hawkins]

My Shiloh Hartford -

Details:

30" Heavy Octagon Barrel, Polished, Calibre .44 2-1/4" BN (.44-77)

Bone & Charcoal Case Hardened, Pewter Tip

Semi-Buckhorn Barrel Sight, MVA #113 Globe, MVA #108 Vernier Tang, MVA Scope Blocks Mounted @ 17" Spacing

Military Butt Plate with Patch Box

Brass Escutcheons, Polished & Fire Blued Screws

Bedded Forearm

Semi-Fancy Wood, AA Finish

Chamber Cast & Chamber Print provided


Enjoy...

http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab128/seth_hawkins/Shiloh%20Sharps%201874%20Hartford%20-%20Calibre%2044-77%20BN/4-01.jpg

http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab128/seth_hawkins/Shiloh%20Sharps%201874%20Hartford%20-%20Calibre%2044-77%20BN/4-02.jpg

http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab128/seth_hawkins/Shiloh%20Sharps%201874%20Hartford%20-%20Calibre%2044-77%20BN/4-04.jpg

http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab128/seth_hawkins/Shiloh%20Sharps%201874%20Hartford%20-%20Calibre%2044-77%20BN/4-07.jpg

http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab128/seth_hawkins/Shiloh%20Sharps%201874%20Hartford%20-%20Calibre%2044-77%20BN/4-17.jpg

http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab128/seth_hawkins/Shiloh%20Sharps%201874%20Hartford%20-%20Calibre%2044-77%20BN/4-18.jpg

http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab128/seth_hawkins/Shiloh%20Sharps%201874%20Hartford%20-%20Calibre%2044-77%20BN/4-26.jpg

http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab128/seth_hawkins/Shiloh%20Sharps%201874%20Hartford%20-%20Calibre%2044-77%20BN/4-31.jpg

http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab128/seth_hawkins/Shiloh%20Sharps%201874%20Hartford%20-%20Calibre%2044-77%20BN/4-41.jpg

[Johnk454]

Let's see if this works - first time posting pics here.

45-90 LRE, 34" Heavy Octagon. Really likes Postells over heavily compressed Swiss 1.5.

http://home.comcast.net/~johnk454/pics/Sharps4.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~johnk454/pics/Sharps5.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~johnk454/pics/10shot.jpg

[PatMarlin]

That is about the finest looking sharps I've ever seen. I'll be the first to go $200 on that rifle ..:mrgreen:

[bucksnort]

Johnk454,
How much Swiss 1.5?

I just spent an afternoon with my Shiloh and 1885 highwall, burning 73-grains of swiss 1.5. I was testing a half-dozen bullet profiles. I had some interesting results.
Thanks, BS

[45bpcr]

Here's my Sharps and my Browning. 45 2.1 and 45 2.4 respectively.

It's time to put away the black guns and get back to "The One True Way"

45Bpcr

[gunplumber]

shiloh #1 sporter fancy hand picked wood 45 2.1 30" heavy half barrel.

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj395/dmack380/DSCN1795.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj395/dmack380/DSCN1794.jpg

[PatMarlin]

Never knew anything could be so purdy.

[bigted]

golly !!!

[TXGunNut]

Our friends up in Big Timber are artists. Someday I'll finish filling out the order form. So many options, had almost ruled out engraving. Thanks, guys!:wink:

[Clinebo]

They are works of art! IMHO the extra $$$ for the fancier grain wood is well worth it. If you guys want a serious drool session....go to Big Timber and look at the ones on the wall. Outstanding craftsmanship!

[Jetwrench]

I know lust is a sin but damn, and then there is the one about not coveting your nabors goods. Man those things are pretty enough to take on a date!!!!! Jetwrench

[bigted]

so finally got a shiloh and its jest a shooter...well almost anyway. its way more then that to me but it is a plain jane rifle compared to some shown here. this is the result of another black rifle gone for a good shooting sharps.

this is a 45-120 ss. housed in a hartford model shiloh. these photos are from the former owner as im not in love with my camers on the phone for photo's. so here is my pet

http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy55/bigted1956/pix044709258.jpg
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy55/bigted1956/pix341906081.jpg
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy55/bigted1956/pix359130244.jpg
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy55/bigted1956/pix735294752.jpg
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy55/bigted1956/pix555412621.jpg
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy55/bigted1956/pix676844516.jpg
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy55/bigted1956/pix997469543.jpg
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy55/bigted1956/pix500070402.jpg

so there she is and i am very gratefull to have it in my hands. what a peach and a fine shooter as well so far.

[TXGunNut]

Congrats, bigted. Even a straght-grained unadorned rifle from Big Timber is a work of art IMHO. Life is short, guess I better get mine on the way soon.

[Virginian]

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u29/DeathWraith07/09%20Hunting/Guns/IMG_0300.jpg
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u29/DeathWraith07/09%20Hunting/Guns/IMG_0301.jpg
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u29/DeathWraith07/09%20Hunting/Guns/IMG_0302.jpg
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u29/DeathWraith07/09%20Hunting/Guns/IMG_0297.jpg
My 45-70 Mt Roughrider

[wyoduster]

45-70 ,45-90 , 40-65 and a 54 perc.

[Seth Hawkins]

Wyoduster - Are all of those Shiloh's?

[TXGunNut]

Very nice, Virginian! Beautiful wood, incredible fit & finish. If you don't mind me asking, what grade wood did you specify? That's one choice that's keeping me from ordering my own Shiloh.

[Virginian]

Very nice, Virginian! Beautiful wood, incredible fit & finish. If you don't mind me asking, what grade wood did you specify? That's one choice that's keeping me from ordering my own Shiloh.

Thank you for the compliments. Semi fancy with the standard finish. I'll hand rub that myself when I get the time.

Good luck!

Eric

[Mike Brooks]

I'll have to get some pics. I have 3, all Farmingdale guns. A '63 carbine in .50, a 63 infantry in .54 and a #3 sporter in 45-70. All great and incredibly accurate guns.

[TXGunNut]

Thank you for the compliments. Semi fancy with the standard finish. I'll hand rub that myself when I get the time.

Good luck!

Eric


Thanks for the info, seem so modest on their wood grades. Need to pull that trigger soon.

[canyon-ghost]

I'm awestruck too, Virginian. That's one really beautiful rifle.

[TXGunNut]

OK, got my 1874 #1 all spec'd out. Just need to hear back on a likely weight. I'm thinking 30" std oct bbl should come in under 12 lbs, 2oz.

[Virginian]

I'm awestruck too, Virginian. That's one really beautiful rifle.

Thank you! Now I just need to get my arms around reloading for this gun. I've cast the bullets, sized and lubed, have the black powder, I just need to read up more on grease cookies and such. I'm not sure if I need/should use them.

Eric

[TXGunNut]

I got lots of good info from Venturino and Garbe's SPG Primer. Still trying to get a handle on it, tho.

[smokemjoe]

Here is unfried one www.kramersales.com

[Sawdust]

Thank you! Now I just need to get my arms around reloading for this gun. I've cast the bullets, sized and lubed, have the black powder, I just need to read up more on grease cookies and such. I'm not sure if I need/should use them.

Eric

Paper patched or greasers?

The only way to find out is to try them.

[Virginian]

Paper patched or greasers?

The only way to find out is to try them.

Greasers!

[shrapnel]

I found this site while chasing some threads on another website and thought I might post a few pictures of Sharps rifles. I have a few Winchesters, Colts, Burgess, Marlins and such, shoot them all and continue to find more.

Here are some of mine...

Original Sharps sent to Bozeman, M. T. in 1878 and then on to McAusland in Miles City M. T.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/115_2158.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/115_2174.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/115_2165.jpg

Here a some more, 2 Shilohs, a 50-70 conversion and another Montana buffalo rifle shipped to Walter Cooper in 1877...

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/100_3858.jpg

All have taken game, but the latest McAusland gun, which is in the process of getting prepared to do so...

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/scan0004-3.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/100_3529.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/100_1862.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/114_1450.jpg

[gunplumber]

new shiloh saddle rifle, 30" standard weight barrel semi fancy wood 45-110 10 lbs 10 oz

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj395/dmack380/DSCF0001.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj395/dmack380/DSCF0002.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj395/dmack380/DSCF0005.jpg

[TXGunNut]

Very nice. Awesome wood.

[TerryH]

'English' Sharps 77, it's an Axtell but think they are now owned by Shiloh so it should count :razz: ?

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g157/thibben/Axtel%20Sharps%2077/Sharps772.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g157/thibben/Axtel%20Sharps%2077/JilliansPictures004.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g157/thibben/Axtel%20Sharps%2077/JilliansPictures013.jpg

Terry

[Seth Hawkins]

Very Nice!

[sharps4590]

I'm new to the forum and except for the introduction this is my first post. Anytime I see "Shiloh Sharps" it gets my attention. Here is my much used, loved and well maintained Montana Roughrider in 45-2.4. I've had it a little over 20 years and it's taken the majority of game I've shot since I bought it.

http://i432.photobucket.com/albums/qq41/sharps4070/P1010074.jpg

I have a #1 Sporter in 40-2.5 SS and it's set up as my target rifle with MVA sights. Strangely, the wood on the Roughrider is fine, straight grained walnut and the #1 has fabulous wood on it. Neither rifle was ordered with an upgrade in wood. i do not have a picture of the #1.

[freedom arms 353]

Germany.
Hartford in normal configuration. But this is good enough ;-).

[cal50]

Old school still shoots good!

My Pedersoli Quigley sharps in 45-90. I am still working up a load and went to the range and popped off some cast Postell bullets (530 grain) on top of 78 grains of Goex "F" powder. I had a one hole group going until I started pulling my shots after getting big headed looking through mu scope (100 yards). After I messed that up I blasted my last 5 shots and called it a day. The sun was way to bright and the target was dancing and looked like a blob.

A quick clean up with Balistol and back in the rack.


http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu178/cal50/Quigley/Quigley.jpg

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu178/cal50/Quigley/flyier.jpg

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu178/cal50/Quigley/blastingoff.jpg

[Bent Ramrod]

Just got my #1 Sporter .45-70 and went to the bench to get a sight setting at 500 yards and some idea of what ammunition it likes. I had ten rounds of WW cases Win LR primers printer paper primer wad, 64.5 gr Swiss 1-1/2 Fg, a Cabela's .060 overpowder wad and a Paul Jones 545 gr boolit. One shot for a sight adjustment and the other nine for group.

As pretty inside as they are out.

[spotsboss]

I was partial to the look of color case hardening until I saw the gun in post #48. If I owned this rifle, I think I'd spend most of my time just staring at it.

[cal50]

I have another 3 months to wait for my Shiloh #1 sporter in 45-110.....

(Cabelas has Norma 45-120 brass on sale which make nice 45-110 brass when trimmed)

[drcook]

1st 2 pics are my latest. it has a rounded forearm, I also have a heavy round barrelled 110 with a rounded forearm

http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL2063/10245039/18392501/364339362.jpg

http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL2063/10245039/18392501/364339360.jpg

http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL2063/10245039/18392501/299611370.jpg

http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL2063/10245039/18392501/294785003.jpg

[MikeS]

Ok, I just went thru all 6 pages of this thread, and I'm just really hoping all the drool that fell in my keyboard doesn't do any damage to it. WOW, those are some nice looking rifles! I also hope that after seeing all these guns that I'll never have enough money to afford, that when I open the package that has my 1887 Remington rolling block in it, that I'll still have some enthusiasm for it! :)

I suppose when I'm holding it in my hands, rather than looking at the one picture I have of it, that I'll be as happy as a pig in slop! There's only so much you can do while waiting for the package to arrive!

[TXGunNut]

Remington rolling block sounds like a good time to me. This is an eye candy thread and it has pushed me to the brink of placing an order a time or two. Seems pretty affordable, actually. Just mail in the down payment and start stashing away cash for the day when they call for it. Soon after that you'll have your very own Shiloh Sharps rifle.
Oops, got me thinking about it again! ;)

[pacecars]

Shiloh Montana Roughrider 34" heavy half octagon barrel in .45 2 7/8

[Lead pot]

Here is my latest not to common addition to my Shiloh collection. The Hartford .44-77 with cressent butplate light 30" standard weight polished barrel and a single trigger with very easy crisp let off I might add and upgraded wood.
This is a very accurate rifle an excellent hunting rifle that comes up fast with a light recoil.
The top one has a 1.3" by 35" round barrel, a 20 pound .44-100 straight Rem Straight chambered long range rifle. A plain Jane Rough Rider.

http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww43/Kurtalt/IMG_1025.jpg

[MikeS]

Lead Pot, You just added more drool to my pour keyboard! I'm really sorry that I didn't buy one back when they were in Farmingdale NY. I was able to tour their shop when it was there, and they even had some rifles there that were for sale right there, so I could have gotten it that same day, rather than having to wait! I don't recall exactly, but I think they were priced around $500 or so, but back then I was still in school, and like most students, was basically broke.

Well, at least I got my rolling block to get me into BPCR, it's not much to look at, and I'm hoping it shoots better than it looks. It's a spanish rolling block with a Remington sporting barrel grafted onto it. I'm pretty sure it was originally for one of the larger 45 caliber cartridges as it was cut back (the barrel threads had to be recut, Remington used square threads, the spanish used V threads unlike almost everyone else), and the barrel is marked 45.70 obviously stamped by hand on the underside of the barrel right ahead of the forearm. More evidence that it was cut back is the fact that on the top flat of the barrel (it's a half round, half octagon) where it's marked E. Remington & Sons, the E is mostly cut off.

[Alan in WI]

Hartford 50-90 Chambered for paper patched bullets.
30" Heavy Octagon polished barrel
Bone & Charcoal finish
Extra Fancy Wood Checkered

http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b507/alans4570/full-1.jpg

http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b507/alans4570/rfront_resize.jpg

http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b507/alans4570/fullr.jpg

http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b507/alans4570/rbackclose.jpg

Alan

[Lead pot]

Mike.

Thank you.

There is nothing wrong with a roller, I have had several through the years. My first center fire rifle was a Roller in the .43 Spanish when you could get them out of the back pages of the NRA magazine for under $18. back in the mid 50's and again I'm looking for one in good condition even though I could never get warmed up to them like a Sharps.
When I saw the 74 Shiloh come on the market they cost more then I could justify at the time because money was needed to put Kids through School and other needs, but when those obligations were met I finally got my Shiloh.....'s.

A little update on the two above.
The top 20# is one super shooter and the unfinished white barrel will stay in the white. It seems to help keeping it cooler from the heat of the sun.
The .44-77 on the bottom is becoming my favorite rifle to grab when I head for the range and when I invite others to pick a rifle to shoot at the range it seems like that is the one they pick up out of several other rifles they can chose.
Brass has been a problem to get to fit the chamber because of the inconsistency of the rim thickness but that is all worked out and that rifle with the barrel sights makes me wonder why I invest money in the high priced tang and globe sights as well it shoots like it is.

[Lead pot]

Alan.

I see you finally got your rifle!! that sure is a beauty!!
I would like to see you bring it down to Lodi next spring.
You done well!!

[Rafsob]

This is my Pedersoli:

61015

61016

[charger 1]

You guys do realize that when Shiloh went to Big Timber original Sharps lines went out the window. The straight grained, clunky fitted early farmingdales were a lot closer to orig sharps. Oh the B.T.'s are beauts. Owned em, loved em but thats not really true to history. Just an FYI
63519

[DW475]

Waiting to see the Montana Roughrider i ordered from Shiloh in 45-90. It's been a 17 month wait so far so hopefully soon.

[ColColt]

Not here yet but on the way come next Monday.

74 #3 Sporter in 45-90



http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x220/ColColt/Gun%20Related%20Stuff/ScreenHunter_01May312223_zpsc389a583.jpg (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/ColColt/media/Gun%20Related%20Stuff/ScreenHunter_01May312223_zpsc389a583.jpg.html)
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x220/ColColt/Gun%20Related%20Stuff/ScreenHunter_06May312225_zps045e9ec9.jpg (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/ColColt/media/Gun%20Related%20Stuff/ScreenHunter_06May312225_zps045e9ec9.jpg.html)
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x220/ColColt/Gun%20Related%20Stuff/ScreenHunter_05May312224_zps46512352.jpg (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/ColColt/media/Gun%20Related%20Stuff/ScreenHunter_05May312224_zps46512352.jpg.html)

[mazo kid]

Over the years, I have had a few Shilohs....#1 in 45-110, a 45-70 LRE, a 40-50SBN #1. (I still have the barrel for that rifle with the "Old Reliable" stamp on it, made before C Sharps made them stop using that stamp). I don't think I have any pictures of those. I now have a couple of Pedersolis:
45-70 w/ MVA sights http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/mazokid/PedersoliSharps2.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mazokid/media/PedersoliSharps2.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/mazokid/PedersoliSharps1.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mazokid/media/PedersoliSharps1.jpg.html)

Another Pedersoli in 45-90 with Ron Heileman Soule sight:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/mazokid/45-90Schuetzen005.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mazokid/media/45-90Schuetzen005.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/mazokid/45-90Schuetzen002.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mazokid/media/45-90Schuetzen002.jpg.html)
A 45-70 Rolling block:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/mazokid/SideleverRoller.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mazokid/media/SideleverRoller.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/mazokid/RollingBlock.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mazokid/media/RollingBlock.jpg.html)

The only Shiloh I have left is one built by departed friend Tony LaGeose in 44-90 SBN. Why BUILT by him you may ask? Well, evidently back a few years ago you could buy actions from Shiloh (maybe you needed connections too!). Please correct me if I'm wrong. He rifled and chambered the barrel and stocked the rifle just before he passed away suddenly. I'll need to take pictures of it as I don't have any now.
I have not fired this rifle yet even though I do have brass and molds.

[ColColt]

What is that lever on the side of the Rolling Block for? Never saw one of those before. My old Navy Arms RB didn't have that.

[mazo kid]

ColColt, the side lever is an aftermarket item for lowering/raising the breech block. I believe it was an item sold by Lone Star. It has a special breech block and the lever. I just wish it could be made into a lefty version!

[ColColt]

Neat idea. I wished something like that had been available in the early 70's when I had my RB.

[captaint]

Jeez, you guys are killing me. I'm home recovering from surgery, so I have some time on my hands. Not necessarily a good thing. Just spent at least 12 hours on the Shiloh website - again. Thing is I'm 63 and I have a bunch of rifles that I'll never shoot. Some have never been shot. So I ask myself, would I rather have one rifle that I love and DO shoot, or a bunch of other (nice, tho they may be) rifles that I don't shoot?? Right. Easy. Trouble is, no matter which Sharps I price out, it always comes to about 4 grand...
Doesn't matter which rifle. If I get what I really want, it's 4 grand every time. Also, what's the sense in spending maybe 3 grand and not getting what we really want?? No sense at all. Just gonna have to sell a couple more guns. I'm torn between a 45/70 and a 40/65. Like I said, I really want to spend some time shooting this artwork. Guess if I limit the ammo to black powder (I know, I should anyway) the 45/70 wouldn't be too bad, recoil wise. Decisions..... Mike

[mazo kid]

Here are some pictures of my "Shiloh" 44-90 rifle that Tony built. He had purchased the action in the white, stocked the rifle, made the barrel, then sent the action "back East" to be color case hardened.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/mazokid/Sharpsguns001_zps93b7a236.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mazokid/media/Sharpsguns001_zps93b7a236.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/mazokid/Sharpsguns002_zpsa8639899.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mazokid/media/Sharpsguns002_zpsa8639899.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/mazokid/Sharpsguns004_zps913b5f1c.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mazokid/media/Sharpsguns004_zps913b5f1c.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/mazokid/Sharpsguns003_zps3bee84c4.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mazokid/media/Sharpsguns003_zps3bee84c4.jpg.html)

[mazo kid]

Although not a Shiloh, I thought maybe some would enjoy the pictures of my original Sharps 50-70 carbine. It is well used but the bore is nice and shiny.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/mazokid/Sharpsguns005_zpsac1397b9.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mazokid/media/Sharpsguns005_zpsac1397b9.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/mazokid/Sharpsguns007_zpsa2e60f5d.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mazokid/media/Sharpsguns007_zpsa2e60f5d.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/mazokid/Sharpsguns006_zps91ad5f58.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mazokid/media/Sharpsguns006_zps91ad5f58.jpg.html)

[bigted]

Although not a Shiloh, I thought maybe some would enjoy the pictures of my original Sharps 50-70 carbine. It is well used but the bore is nice and shiny.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/mazokid/Sharpsguns005_zpsac1397b9.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mazokid/media/Sharpsguns005_zpsac1397b9.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/mazokid/Sharpsguns007_zpsa2e60f5d.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mazokid/media/Sharpsguns007_zpsa2e60f5d.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/mazokid/Sharpsguns006_zps91ad5f58.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mazokid/media/Sharpsguns006_zps91ad5f58.jpg.html)

so the question begs an answer...how does this old sweetheart shoot? what recoil and do you shoot bp in her?

I see em for sale often and get tempted but have never had nor shot a 50-70 so don't know in a short lite rifle what shooting it would be like.

[mazo kid]

Actually, I've never loaded any ammo for the ol' gal. I've heard there was a reason for the reduced powder charge for the carbine as opposed to the rifle! I have a friend who fires his and he says the recoil is brisk; I don't know if he loads with the rifle charge or not. I would only shoot black powder loads in this gun.

[bigted]

that is absolutely a keeper. I can bet that full loads are a bit brisk for sure. they only weigh around 7 lbs as I understand. my #1 is this same weight and the loads that approach ruger pressure do bump a bit as well.

thankyou for showing this old girl. I cant imagine anyone having any heartburn with a photo of the original article. especially this in so apparently good shape.

[pbcaster45]

Here's my "Plain Jane" Shiloh Sharps Hartford Model. Standard grade wood, steel shotgun buttstock, heavy octagon barrel, bedded forearm in 45-70 Gov. Globe front sight with Riflesmith Midrange Tang Sight. Took it out shooting today after a five year stint in the gun safe (disgraceful!)

74995

I was really worried the bullet lube would be all dried out after five years in the closet.

74996

They shot great, but I need practice... five shots at 100 yards.

74997

Bullet: Paul Jones 540 gr. Creedmoor (.458/1-20 alloy/SPG)
Powder: SR-4759 23.0 grs./0.0025 paperwad/0.5 grs. Dacron filler
Primer: Federal 210
Case: Winchester
Average Velocity: 1216.96 fps
Extreme Spread: 26.86
Standard Deviation: 9.89

[HotGuns]

Question for yall.

I see that there are basically two "Sharps" companys, Shiloh and C Sharps and I see that at one time they were the same.

I also see that some people swear by the Shiloh and others like the C Sharps.

Is there really any difference? Is one better than the other? Is one better quality than the other? Arent they the same rifle built to the same specs?

I honestly don't know, that's why I am asking. I also see some websites devoted to Shiloh and others devoted to C Sharps.

Is it just a Chevy vs. Ford thing. From what I've seen both of them make some absolutely beautiful rifles. Just looking at these pictures makes me want one.

[mazo kid]

I think initially the Shiloh devotees were saying that the 1875 Sharps that C Sharps were selling was never a "production" rifle. Now both companies offer the 1874 as well as other rifles. I think that both companies make excellent rifles. Several years ago we visited the Shiloh shop, but didn't visit the C Sharps shop...only a block or 2 away on the same street.

[concho]

PBcaster nice group !

[concho]

Jon K where did you get the pistol grip attachment ? I shattered my right elbow and now have a crooked arm , need pistol grip type for all my rifles as hand will not bend enough for holding a straight grip rifle . Thanks . concho 78411

[pbcaster45]

Thanks Concho! When the heat lets up maybe I can try some blackpowder loads again. I've got some 5 year old ammo laying around loaded up with the Jones bullet and some Swiss 1 1/2. I know they'll outshoot the smokeless!

[SourMashII]

Just on their website... and all 7 pages of this thread. I have a new goal....

[wyoduster]

Yes I think I have an addiction...

[ColColt]

Good grief!! Obviously, you're not married.:smile: Whew...I thought I was looking at 16 different rifles but noticed it's 8 instead.

[45bpcr]

Bringing them all next weekend Wyo? To my thinking, 10 would be a nice round number

45bpcr

79237

[wyoduster]

Yes I'm married to a wonderfull woman, She understands (weird huh?).. and yea only 8.. Thats enough............for now.
Good grief!! Obviously, you're not married.:smile: Whew...I thought I was looking at 16 different rifles but noticed it's 8 instead.

[GOPHER SLAYER]

wyo, besides a 45-70, what other calibers do you have? by the way, that is a beautiful cillection.

[GOPHER SLAYER]

I see in my post that I misspelled collection. Well the i is just too close to the o.

[wyoduster]

40-90SS ,40-90BN,(2)40-65,40-70SS,45-90 ,50-90 ,and 54cal.
wyo, besides a 45-70, what other calibers do you have? by the way, that is a beautiful cillection.

[HotGuns]

Here's mine. Shiloh Sharps 45-90. No.3 Sporter
Its got a few extras on it.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b130/HotGuns/Gun%20pictures/shilo2.jpg (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/HotGuns/media/Gun%20pictures/shilo2.jpg.html)


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b130/HotGuns/Gun%20pictures/shilo30.jpg (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/HotGuns/media/Gun%20pictures/shilo30.jpg.html)

Semi-fancy wood.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b130/HotGuns/Gun%20pictures/shilo3.jpg (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/HotGuns/media/Gun%20pictures/shilo3.jpg.html)

[bigted]

hot guns ... very nice there. the #3 is just plain Sharps in appearance. I prefer the pistol grip of the #1 or Montana but they are all so nice to include my plain Jane Hartford in 45-120. thanks for sharing your beauty.

[Jim Kitchen]

Here's mine, I picked her up on election day last year. She's a Sporter #1 in .45-70 with a 34 inch barrel.

85764857658576685767

It's everything I really had hoped it would be.

[wyoduster]

WOW Jim, that is one beautiful gun!!

[Lead pot]

40-90SS ,40-90BN,(2)40-65,40-70SS,45-90 ,50-90 ,and 54cal.

:groner: WHAT NO 44??? :groner: That wall looks just about like mine. :smile:

[Jim Kitchen]

WOW Jim, that is one beautiful gun!!

Thank you kindly but I just picked the options. It's the fine folks at Shiloh that brought it all together. They're really amazing to work with.

[Don McDowell]

Here's an old Farmingdale
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/Ranch137/006_zps5379e7a8.jpg

[prsman23]

I just picked up a saddle ring in 45-70. When I get back home to her, I'll post up some more eye candy for you fellas

[bigted]

Here's an old Farmingdale
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/Ranch137/006_zps5379e7a8.jpg

Don ... is that an ol new one or a new ol one? ... that's a good lookin shootin iron ... 44-77?

[Don McDowell]

Ted it's an new old one (roughly 35 yrs old), my neighbor picked it up the other day. 50-90.

[bigted]

wowww nice... 50-90 ... sheez man ... another glutton for punishment huh? ... LOL. at least he can load it down to a tolerable level huh? good lookin rifle.

[Don McDowell]

He loaded it with 100 grs of cartridge and 500 and someodd gr bullets of various descriptions and blew threw about 40 rounds sunday before we went to the house for dinner..
He's 83? years young.

[bigted]

that is as cool as the rifle itself. man I hope I got the steam at 83 for that. my hat is absolutely off to the man. good on him.

[LeRoy]

Some really fine rifles on display here. Thanks for sharing.

96948

My Sporter. 45-70, standard weight 30" bbl. Bought "off the rack" when I was in BT in '05.
Haven't shot her much. Wears Ron Heilman (sp?), front and long range sights now.
Thinking am gonna have to get a scope for her, eyes ain't as good as they were.....

Later

[Lead pot]

This is my Last Shiloh. This rifle is setup for hunting and it does a fine job with excellent accuracy.

I had this rifle build with a crescent butt plate and a single trigger with a standard weight 30" barrel in .44-77 caliber.
I couldn't ask for a better hunting rifle.

http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww43/Kurtalt/KurtsBuffalo2013021_zpsdd763f05.jpg (http://s704.photobucket.com/user/Kurtalt/media/KurtsBuffalo2013021_zpsdd763f05.jpg.html)

[bigted]

Leadpot ... man that is a great lookin shooter. nice lookin wooly as well ... thanks for sharing this photo. I am sorely tempted on the same chamber but in a pistol grip rifle. how does that crescent treat you in the 44-77? also I see that you use the barrel sights ... another choice I would make again.

[Lead pot]

Thank you Ted.

We just had a couple steaks tonight. We haven't ate beef here at home for several years now.
Ted the crescent butt plate is no problem. I have several rifles with the crescent that I shoot a lot heavier loads with.
This rifle I just dont shoot it prone. Last fall I was taking shots on the 600 yard line and I was prone and got careless and It did draw blood on the collarbone for being careless by not holding it properly.
The temp got up in the 40's today and when I finished pushing snow I got this rifle and shot a few over 50 rounds off the bench and this rifle is a great shooter.
I shot with brown thin cotton gloves on and the straight stock was holding good without the torque twisting the rifle, something I can't do with the .45-120 straight stocked rifle wearing cotton gloves.

The sights are the Lawrence Military sights. I have to admit that when I shot that young bull I lost the rear sight on his dark chagg on a dark overcast day not the best for failing eyes and I had to shoot twice because the first shot just got the top of the lungs and it took a chunk out of his spine and he got back up again and mixed in with the heard and the second shot when he got clear I shot again with him on a slow trot and the second shot was two fingers apart from the first hit. Both shots passed straight through. The .44-77 is a great caliber.

[DangerousDrummer]

This is my Last Shiloh. This rifle is setup for hunting and it does a fine job with excellent accuracy.

I had this rifle build with a crescent butt plate and a single trigger with a standard weight 30" barrel in .44-77 caliber.
I couldn't ask for a better hunting rifle.

http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww43/Kurtalt/KurtsBuffalo2013021_zpsdd763f05.jpg (http://s704.photobucket.com/user/Kurtalt/media/KurtsBuffalo2013021_zpsdd763f05.jpg.html)

Nice! Meat in the freezer and a rug on the floor.
Just curious, how much meat does that put in the freezer?

[Lead pot]

DD

He was a yearling, (18 months?) 363#

[Red River Rick]

Hmmm.

I'm thinking a man as big as you are Kurt, would have just wrestled that critter down.:wink:

Buffalo, next to Elk, is probably the best tasting wild meat. BTW, nice pic!

RRR

[bigted]

kurt ... if I may ask ... how much do that rifle weigh. getting tired of packin the 11 thru 15 pound rifles around. my next will be lite nough to do some packin in the rough stuff.

RRR I totally agree. Elk is my favorite with buff second ... venison in the northwest is a runner up for the buff. I eat a lot of these moose but they aint in the runnin for any "favorite" in the taste dept.

[Lead pot]

Rick.

At 74 a arms reach away I don't wrestle down anything bigger than me anymore :) I would not push a dinner plate away with either meat in front of me.

[Lead pot]

Ted I just weight the rifle and it comes in right at 9-1/2# The way it's build the balance point is where my hand is. A very nice rifle to carry. I would add the sling swivels and I might still do this.
I have taken two Bisons using the .44 with the bullet in the photo. The left bullet is the .44-100 Rem. the center is the .44-77 and the .44-2-5/8 (90) and both put them down in fine shape. The 90 did it with one shot. With the .44-77 with the original bullet that I used for both hunts at 480 gr is a good combination for the 19 twist the rifles have.

http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww43/Kurtalt/th_IMG_1030.jpg (http://s704.photobucket.com/user/Kurtalt/media/IMG_1030.jpg.html)

[shrapnel]

C Sharps/Shiloh in 45-70...


http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/Hunting%20big%20game/scan0004-3.jpg


Original Buffalo Sharps from Walter Cooper Bozeman, Montana Territory 1877 in 40-90 BN...


http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/Hunting%20big%20game/114_1450.jpg

[kootne]

Hey Shrapnel, That is one mighty fine lookin' slow elk you got yourself there. Did you get it stuffed and put up on the wall with the rest of your endangered species collection?
If I ever figger out when the Kalispell show is, maybe I'll see you there.
kootne ( your old "KAR" mechanic)

[RenoDave]

I just found this thread!! Glad to see I'm don't have the sickness alone. Here is my collection, have owned these since the late 80's. 1863 Infantry, 54 cal. Farmingdale-- 1874 No. 2 Sportier, 45-70, Farmingdale-- 1874 Business rifle, 50-90, Big Timber-- 1874 Jaeger rifle, 30-40 Krag, Big Timber-- 1863 Cavalry carbine, 54 cal., Farmingdale. Lets see some more!
99732

[shrapnel]

Hey Shrapnel, That is one mighty fine lookin' slow elk you got yourself there. Did you get it stuffed and put up on the wall with the rest of your endangered species collection?
If I ever figger out when the Kalispell show is, maybe I'll see you there.
kootne ( your old "KAR" mechanic)

March 28-30, I will be there with 5 tables of real guns...

[doc1876]

101471101472

I have attached pics of my sharps, the first is a Garret .54 1859, then my Shiloh Hartford ( one of the 1st 100 from the reorganized Shiloh) and then a Shiloh '63 that I am making into a J.P.Gemmer adn finally a '63 Garrett that was a friends, and confused by experts as an origional.
Finally a close up of the Shiloh Hartford.

I don't know whee they went, but I feel this is just too pretty to not share.133363

[mack1]

My first 30" 45-70129770
I do not know how to turn it over but here it is

[Sharpsman]

Shiloh 45 2 7/8 with bull barrels:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2876/9712206804_2f3ed27e2e_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/fNeAHs)Parlorguns (https://flic.kr/p/fNeAHs) by Rick Mulhern (https://www.flickr.com/photos/61286670@N08/), on Flickr

[cal50]

It puts a smile on ones face opening the case of a new 45-110 Shiloh and seeing this........



http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w560/jkh62/Shiloh/IMG_20130825_233735_zpsf95c632e.jpg (http://s1329.photobucket.com/user/jkh62/media/Shiloh/IMG_20130825_233735_zpsf95c632e.jpg.html)



http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w560/jkh62/Shiloh/IMG_20130825_233651_zpsd8945395.jpg (http://s1329.photobucket.com/user/jkh62/media/Shiloh/IMG_20130825_233651_zpsd8945395.jpg.html)

[BlackPowder_.50-90]

142034
.50-90 from Shiloh. It is a lot of fun to shoot!

[shrapnel]

Here are some, one is a Shiloh. I have another Shiloh, but the others are original Montana buffalo rifles. A friend and I went to Cody with a display and got the Best of Show in the Sharps category...




http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/rifles/DSCN3000.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/rifles/DSCN3001.jpg


http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/rifles/DSCN2944.jpg

[Bent Ramrod]

That's a great display, Shrapnel! Congratulations!

Only got to the Cody show once, but there was a lot of cool Stuff there.

[Mitch]

man I just live in the wrong part of the country.you just don't see many rifles like that here.very nice colection

[Frank V]

shrapnel
That is one beautiful display, thanks for sharing.

[Idaho45guy]

This is the one I used for the 1000yd match at Ben Avery a few years ago. Sharps in .45-90. It's my dad's rifle. He has at least a dozen of them and probably knows most of the people on this forum:

177319

This is my Uberti Winchester 1885 high wall clone in .45-70. Used it to win a couple of matches in my class at Ben Avery a few years ago but too busy since I moved up here to Idaho three years ago. Just started casting my own bullets and reloading for my .45 Colts, so might get the bug again to shoot BPCR.

177320

[Frank V]

Wow those Sharps are beautiful rifles.
Thanks for sharing everyone.
Shrapnel, you sure have some beautiful rifles.
Thanks for sharing with us.

[Dusty Ed]

122025122025122025122025

[Dusty Ed]

Howdy Folks
Here is another Sharps it is a 50-90 Big Fifty Pedersoli The one in the top post is a Shiloh #1 Sporter 45-70 , they both have 34" Barrels

[Frank V]

Glad this thread came back up. I really admire the Sharps rifles, don't have one, but like them.8-)

Shrapnel, where did you go? Come back & show us some more nice rifles.
Thanks.

[Bottleneck]

Here is mine,
185067185068185069
Its a Long Range Express 45-2.6 shipped from the factory to May of London UK in 1999 Ordered for a US Airman based at RAF Lakenheath, supposedly only shot at 100yds on the base range.
When he went back to the USA he left it here with a dealer in Cambridge where it sat for several years.
I am the third owner, the previous owner to me said it was too much gun for him and only put 50 rounds through it.
I have had it seven months now and have to say its mint, i could not be happier its a magnificent rifle.
It came with a Rex Holbrook Dr Goodwin rear sight and i fitted a Distant Thunder Octagonal Front sight

Ian.

[Frank V]

Bottleneck, welcome to the forum!
Boy that is a beautiful rifle. Thanks for sharing with us it's a beauty!:-D

[Bottleneck]

Thanks Frank, im very pleased with it, there are not many Shilohs in the UK and i always promised myself one but could never afford it, i have had Pedersolis back in the 1990s but this is in a different class
I have not cast a bullet for over 25 years so i am still refining my casting technique, with the Help of another BPCR shooter who kindly gave me 50 of his excellently cast Money bullets i know what shape and alloy my barrel likes, just need to get my finished bullets as good as his.

Ian.

[Frank V]

Sounds good, I've only cast a few rifle bullets myself, but thousands of handgun bullets.
That is a pretty rifle.

[4570inMD]

This is my Montana Roughrider 45-70 that I am using to shoot BPCR matches in Pennsylvania.

187707

[Frank V]

4570inMD, that's a beauty thanks for sharing.

[Bottleneck]

Thats very nice 4570inMD

Ian.

[pacecars]

Short video firing my Shiloh Sharps Saddle Rifle in .45-100 with a 28 inch heavy octagon barrel with a 511 grain paper patch bullet over 81 grains of Kik FFFg black powder. And yes I took my shooting glasses off while setting up the phone to take the video and forgot to put them back on and since that was my last round I could not reshoot the video.

https://youtu.be/TwGKVma-NHc

[Dusty Ed]

Here is A picture of my #1 Sporter in 4570.212022
DUSTY ED

[Lead pot]

I just went back through all ten pages. It's a shame that a lot of the photo bucket images are wiped out.

[Bottleneck]

I just went back through all ten pages. It's a shame that a lot of the photo bucket images are wiped out.

It is there were some beautys on here.

Ian.

[Hanz]

Long Range Express 45-70 with a Hoke vernier rear sight

https://i.imgur.com/CtDuB8w.jpg

[jdb3]

Love my 50-90 (50 2 1/2). Works very well on Moose.

[Dusty Ed]

They are call HEPBURNS , He worked for REMINGTON an shot against the IRISH team in the Late 1800s

[GrumpyBear]

Here is a picture of my new to me 40-65 Shiloh Sharps. 30 inch 1/2 round 1/2 octagon barrel.

227613 227614

[Knarley]

Here is a picture of my new to me 40-65 Shiloh Sharps. 30 inch 1/2 round 1/2 octagon barrel.

227613 227614
Nice looking smoke pole there Grumpy

[GrumpyBear]

Thanks Knarley.

[shrapnel]

Here is the new Shiloh Model 1877, XXXX wood, pack hardened in 45-70. Close-ups show the difference in the 77 and 74 action and color/case vs pack hardening...

http://i.imgur.com/yQTXnOV.jpg (https://imgur.com/yQTXnOV)

http://i.imgur.com/7XhPkFj.jpg (https://imgur.com/7XhPkFj)

http://i.imgur.com/vcOKKdv.jpg (https://imgur.com/vcOKKdv)

[Longknife]

Here is my Shiloh,,45 2 7/8,,,,
259047
259048
259049
259050
259051

[Edward]

That is a beauty :bigsmyl2:

[Griff411]

VERY NICE! Is that a Hartford model?

Griff

Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

[Lead pot]

Here is another Montana made 1877's

259061259062

[Griff411]

Wow. Which is to say, WOW! Nice wood and case colors, not to mention the case. Absolutely beautiful!

Griff

Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

[Chill Wills]

You have a Weber breach seater tool in the case. What caliber is that 1887 chamber for???

[Lead pot]

259122

It's a .45-2.6 (.45-100) caliber and it also is setup with a heal sight for shooting the spine position.
This rifle hits what you aim it at and that makes it special.

[Chill Wills]

Okay, the caliber makes sense on a long range creedmoor rifle but what is the Weber breach seater doing?
...Breach seating a full case of 2-6/10"?

I use to have a 2-6/10 SS too. May get one again some day. My Axtel 1877 is a 40-70SS.

Very good looking rifle by the way, and you say it shoots as good as it looks!
Shiloh sure makes a great rifle!

[Longknife]

VERY NICE! Is that a Hartford model?

Griff

Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

Yes it is,,,, Thanks,Ed

[Lead pot]

Okay, the caliber makes sense on a long range creedmoor rifle but what is the Weber breach seater doing?
...Breach seating a full case of 2-6/10"?

I use to have a 2-6/10 SS too. May get one again some day. My Axtel 1877 is a 40-70SS.



Very good looking rifle by the way, and you say it shoots as good as it looks!
Shiloh sure makes a great rifle!


:) OK, I have to confess that this rifle is a Axtell. But in a way Shiloh bought out the Axtell tooling so it still has the roots. :)

That breach seater is set up for the .40-70 as it is in the box. I had both rifles out shooting them and never took the tool back out the box.

But I also have a case made for the 2.6 for breach seating. I even breach seat the .50-2.5. It's not for the extra powder capacity, it's for the better accuracy I get breach seating the bullet.

[Lead pot]

Here is one of my Shiloh's.
This is a .45-70

259916259917259915

[Bouteselle]

Here just the rear sight is Shiloh made...
This is a Garrett made in the 70s, a good ole friend of mine gave it to me. I had it unfired, but with an awful barrel... the panels were not symetrical originally.
So I ordered a heavy 45 barrel at Green mountain, and chambered it for .2,4", for easy brass avaibility. I asked a free bore, perhaps now I wish I hadn't.
MVA front sight and vernier, I haven't fired it much; for the moment with .446" paper patched bullets and at 100 meters, almost all shots are next to each other, except some flyers.
Next project a 50 Roller for hunting, gemmer style and original receiver... or perhaps another for target shooting, I have an old Badger barrel on hand, ready to mount.

259973

259974

259975

[Harleysboss]

No picture yet. I just mailed a down payment to William T. Goodman! Couldn't stand looking at this thread any longer knowing full well I didn't have a Shiloh in the herd.

[Bouteselle]

Gentlemen,

last week I bought this 54 Shiloh Sharps online for 1600 euros, Farmingdale made. Auction just started, and I bid three minutes later... Some folks said it was expensive, but I'm convinced it would have been sold the very day. Shiloh rifles are pretty scarce here.
It arrived this morning, and I'm a little disappointed. Not as new as I thought, it's used, but still pretty! I'm more bothered by slight rust bites after the chamber...
I'll shoot it as soon as I receive the BAco mold I bought for my Garrett cavalry carbine, it's been stuck in customs for two months.
I bought yesterday another Sharps, I found a Palmetto Gemmer replica 100% unused, but which needs a little work. Don't know if I'll keep it long. I'll send you pics if someone is interested...

Ps: sorry for this silly nag behind!



https://zupimages.net/up/20/21/k2sj.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=20/21/k2sj.jpg)

https://zupimages.net/up/20/21/bdz0.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=20/21/bdz0.jpg)

https://zupimages.net/up/20/21/mz3h.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=20/21/mz3h.jpg)

https://zupimages.net/up/20/21/6583.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=20/21/6583.jpg)

[Bouteselle]

It seems to have been used a lot....

https://zupimages.net/up/20/21/rg2z.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=20/21/rg2z.jpg)

https://zupimages.net/up/20/21/7mbt.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=20/21/7mbt.jpg)

[RustyReel]

I certainly would not be in a very good mood after seeing that on a rifle I purchased!

[Yellowhouse]

Can that be welded up?

[Bouteselle]

Of course I fear it will be hard to find. So we'll try to weld it up...

[Deadeye Bly]

You can probably buy a new plate from Shiloh. It probably fits the breech block tight fairly tight and may be difficult to remove. What does the back of the barrel look like? It may be just as bad.

[john.k]

One of my IABs looked a bit like that ,I just made a new plate (the original was cracked & micro fissured too) from hardenable steel ,and pulled and corrected the chamber bushing ...........I dont think blackpowder causes that kind of gascutting ..... Ballistite did in mine......Incidentally ,if you make and use plastic cartridges with just a flash hole ,that doesn happen.

[Bouteselle]

You can probably buy a new plate from Shiloh. It probably fits the breech block tight fairly tight and may be difficult to remove. What does the back of the barrel look like? It may be just as bad.

I asked Shiloh, I'm waiting for an answer. But I don't expect much out of it.
The back of the barrel is in good shape, very tiny marks of erosion.

[john.k]

You will find the back of the barrel/sealing face is actually a tight fitting bushing in the chamber ,which can be pulled back and refaced ,or removed and replaced......Just needs a correct expanding puller which is easily made .........the "plate" is actually a "Robbins patented gascheck" and originally is a fairly loose fit in the block......however some are modified to take an "O" ring ,dont know why ,but some people arent happy unless they are "improving "on past perfection.

[Bouteselle]

Are you speaking about the floating chamber? I assume there's one, and it's stuck.
Pedersoli makes an extractor for that purpose.
Still no response from Shiloh, I'll rely on my gunsmith to fix that.

[john.k]

As to the Robbins gascheck plate ,anyone with a lathe can make one ,although I think the Robbins design isnt actually doing what was claimed .....the main thing the plate does is self adjust,not by being a floating fit ,but by fouling building up in any clearance.......Anyway ,if you use plastic gas seal pieces instead of paper cartridges ,any gas cutting is completely eliminated .......if I had that gun ,Id just weld up the divot out of the plate with TIG using stainless filler .......stainless because if the plate is high carbon or ally steel ,stainless wont hydrogen crack .(316/310/312 stainless will weld just about any ferrous metal without cracking.....must be aware of preheat /weld temp rise.)

[Bouteselle]

Just received a parcel from Shiloh... Things are moving forward!

https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2020/07/14/200714044844528144.jpg (https://www.casimages.com/i/200714044844528144.jpg.html)

[mongo40]

My 45-100 LRE, Hartford collar 34" barrel, checkered metal butt, MVA sights and I love the wood an colors on the receiver.

268626268627268628268629

[mongo40]

I know this is for Shilohs but I also have this really nice Taylors & Co. 45-70, Schnable forearm, beautiful polished and blued barrel.

[Harleysboss]

269106Just received my Shiloh Business Rifle from Bill Goodman. 45-70. My first Shiloh. Now to build ammo.

[FarNorth45]

My first Sharps !! ...... 45-70 Hartford 32" bull barrel . Steve Baldwin front and Long Range tang 275103

[sharps4590]

My two. Bottom, Montana Roughrider in 45-90 and top, #1 Sporter in 40-70 SS

286120

[Randy Bohannon]

I just got my letter from Shiloh to build my 1877 Sharps English Sporting Rifle #1 , 4 years,4 months, 4 days and some hours. The long wait is because of infrequency of making round barrels there will most likely be an announcement for the round and super heavy barrels from Shiloh,it’s kinda of a big deal from them.
My 1877 rifle will have a Cecil Freddi AA grade English Walnut blank turned by Shiloh, 32” round polished barrel, schnabble forearm, Rigby flat, polished fire blued screws , brass escutcheons and AA finished, 45 -70

[Dave T]

Got this a year or so back, just never posted a picture in this section.

290749

Shiloh Sharps Business Rifle chambered for the 50 2-1/2" Sharps Straight, otherwise known as the 50-90 Sharps, and historically as the Big Fifty Sharps. It's a hoot to shoot unless you're setting at a shooting bench. Then, at least for me, it kicks like a mule. Still makes me smile when all that blackpowder goes off and that big chunk of lead slams into a rock out in the desert.

Dave

[almar]

What beautiful rifles! This is my "dream gun" right now. I may have to go ahead and get one before I retire in 2 decades or so.

[EOChief66]

I have had my new 45-70, 34" bbl, Shiloh Sharps Montana Roughrider out twice so far. It shot about 4-5 inches to the right at 50 yds. Adjusted the sights but have not shot at 100 yds yet to see how it prints. My old eyes do not like the buckhorn rear sights. I am thinking about a tang sight but do not know if it will be any better for these 76 year old eyes.
I like the gun, shoots nice with my reloads so far. Plain stock, great fit and finish, very well made buy Shiloh.

291151

291152

291153

[Captain*Kirk]

Loving these Shilohs! I am forunate to own a Pedersoli 1874 in .45-70 and am absolutely in love with it! I won't disrespect the OP's thread by posting pix of a non-Shiloh in it, but Pedersoli makes one hell of a rifle, too!

[MichaelR]

Chief66
Use a file to open up the notch in the rear sight a little. It will help a lot. By all means, get a quality vernier rear tang sight. Get a extra eye piece with the largest aperture available. The aperture rear sights are much much better for older eyes.

[Jeff Michel]

Here's the one I usually pick up to take hunting. A #3, 26 inch barrel in 45 2 1/10, MVA tang sight.291584

[sharps4590]

Two Shiloh's, top is a #1 Sporter in 40-2.5 and bottom a Montana Roughrider in 45-2.4.

291588

[jeronimo41]

291652
45-90 long range. she is a tack driving sob! lol

[Tim357]

269106Just received my Shiloh Business Rifle from Bill Goodman. 45-70. My first Shiloh. Now to build ammo.
That right there is my favorite Sharps! Every thing you need and nothing you don't. Very nice!

[tarbe]

Creedmoor Silhouette 45/70

293070

[almar]

I got myself a pedersoli in 45 90, long range range model last year. I figured that if I got bored with it, it wouldn’t be a big deal. The problem I didn’t get bored.

So this pedersoli is quite nice. The wood has complex grain, the rifle is quite well made and very accurate but I kind of wanted something special so I ordered a Shiloh yesterday.

Now I couldn’t have my Shiloh look less fancy than my pedersoli so this thing is expensive…twice as much as the Italian. I hope I won’t regret this.

[Hootmix]

Not sure where to put this, but here goes. Just pk-up a Shiloh sharps, .45 cal.2 1/2, marked on barrel " 1889/1989 Centinela". Could not get lever & blocks out, (stuck tight), used a pad & brass pin, got them taped out (gently). This is BP model, there is a Brass ring in the chamber that is not correct, and it is causing the binding, is the Brass ring replaceable. And can this rifle be converted to Brass cartridges? You can tell i am totally lost, any help would be appreciated.

coffee's ready, Hootmix.

[Bent Ramrod]

Hootmix—

I’ve never heard of a blackpowder cartridge called the “.45-2-1/2,” there was a 2.4” and a 2.6” cartridge in that caliber, but no 2.5”.

Except for the chambering in .30-40 Krag, all the Shiloh chamberings are blackpowder calibers. I’ve never heard of that 1889-1989 centennial thing. The Sharps company failed in 1881; don’t know what would be commemorated eight years after they went out of business.

Does it have a case head separation, with the case stuck in the chamber? Or is this a percussion model, maybe with one of those Pedersoli percussion brass cases somehow stuck in there? A picture of this rifle would definitely help.

You might post your query on the Shiloh Sharps web site, or even call the Bryans with the serial number and see what they can tell you.

Almar—

I don’t think you’ll be disappointed, if you like Sharps rifles in the first place. Pedersolis are well made and shoot and function perfectly satisfactorily, but if Pedersolis are fitted together water-tight, Shilohs are fitted together air-tight. There is also sort of a voluptuousness in the way the Shilohs handle and work that is noticeable compared to the Pedersolis: the hammer pulls back to half-cock just enough to clear the firing pin, but no further; springs are just strong enough to function properly, but no stronger, the cocking, levering and trigger-setting is markedly less effort, etc; a very nice job all around. If you can borrow a copy of Clyde Baker’s Gunsmithing, the section on “hard-fitting” is a very good description of how a gun thus put together works, compared to a standard factory product, although Clyde describes it for double-barrel shotguns rather than rifles.

[Hootmix]

Hey, Bent, to be sure i put my slippers on, went to shop, wrote down all the #'s i could find.
Top of barrel Shilo Rifle Mfg. Co.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,caliber 45 2 1/10 ,,,,,,,,,,,,, Montana 1889/1989 Centennial,,,,,,,,,, OLD Reliable.
Under forearm ( yup, took it off) # 3331---45---70______2 6/10____2 4/10 _____2 1/2(?) (how do they stamp those # so small)
Serial# C. 285xx, so much for not using my glasses (and brain).
I have never wanted to own a 45/70, I have 76 toggle links, BUT!!!! this rifle is really nice, hefty, eye appealing (sorry wiping slobber off) I just don't want to do PP, the nipple is still in very good shape, some screws are (can i say %^*wed-up) buggered up, bluing still nice, been mis-handled some. That Brass ring (it looks like brass) is actually the end of the barrel chamber, it is a percussion rifle. So, the question,,,, can it be converted to except cartridges ? Bent, i sure do thank you for your reply.

coffee's ready, Hootmix.

[Drydock]

Sounds like this is a 45-70 Shiloh. Sounds like a separated case stuck in the chamber. Might want to have Shiloh look at it, may have been messed with, may have seen some overpressure loads.

[Woodtroll]

That's a puzzle. The barrel is marked as a cartridge gun (45-2-1/10 or .45-70), but it has a percussion breechblock in it? Sounds like someone has done some home 'smithing, either trying to make a percussion gun out of a cartridge rifle, or has perhaps swapped a cartridge barrel onto a percussion rifle.

The fact that the barrel is marked "Shiloh" and "Old Reliable" both puts it into the era when Shiloh was building rifles in Montana, and C. Sharps was the marketing agent. That relationship dissolved in the early 90s, I think(?).

Any chance you could post some pictures?

[Hootmix]

OK! trying pics (actually, my grandson), let's see ??

298220
298221
298222

Now! let's talk ...

more coffee, Hootmix.

[Woodtroll]

Interesting photos, thank you.

I don't have a lot of experience with the percussion Sharps rifles, although I know more about the cartridge guns. But my best guess is still that someone has either swapped the barrel or the breechblock - one of those parts is not original to that rifle, with the barrel being marked for a cartridge. I do know that some of the percussion Sharps used a "floating" brass ring to seal against the breechblock, but they were problematic because they tended to seize up. I don't know from the photos if that's what the brass in your breech is, or if it's a plug someone made to convert a cartridge barrel to percussion.

Just my best guesses. Hopefully someone who knows more will chime in.

You may be able to contact Shiloh directly and ask them to run the serial number. They should be able to tell you if the gun was built as as an 1863 (percussion) or 1874 (cartridge) model.

Would it be possible to get photos of the barrel markings, and the sides of the receiver?

Good luck!

[Bent Ramrod]

Well, it’s definitely a percussion breechblock. Shiloh used to make “Sporting models” of the 1863 pattern in calibers smaller than the military .52 caliber, so this could be one of them. But I’ve never seen a brass barrel insert like that. The Lawrence gas-check system used a steel plate with a rear-facing spigot closely fitted into the breechblock with a short steel chamber in the barrel breech that could slide back and forth. Firing the gun would push the block plate forward and the chamber insert backward, pinching them together and sealing the gas leak (somewhat) out of the block/barrel joint. Until things got gunked up, and then it would leak and stick unless managed properly. I find that filling the breechblock cavity with tallow allows 40 or so shots before I have to take the block out and wipe things off. There is usually still enough tallow in the cavity so a few more shots can be fired until the messing around outweighs the shooting, and it’s time to clean up and go home.

I would think trying this with a brass insert would eventually result in swelling and sticking of the brass, not to mention corrosion. On my Pedersoli Berdan, I slop in the Ballistol/water and stick a test tube brush in the sliding chamber, and twist and pull and wet down until the fouling has dissolved and it slides back and forth easily again. Then I wipe as much off the visible part as I can, and continue with patches until I figure the front of the slide is similarly clean. You could try that with that brass thingy and see if it comes loose. If it’s a Lawrence system, it should pull back as far as the breech mortise will allow, but it shouldn’t come out, unless the barrel is removed.

Modern re-enactors are not made of the tough stuff that the original sharpshooters were, and their gripes and complaints about percussion Sharps management has founded a cottage industry (and some factory “improvements”) seeking to eliminate sticky operation after a few shots. Check out the 1863 section of the Shiloh website and the guns section of the N-SSA site for particulars. I’ve been through both in my quest to get my Berdan replica going, and most of the “fixes” I saw involve O-ring seals in the block plate. Never never seen a brass breechpiece in the barrel before, but maybe somebody cobbled together his own “sure-fire” fix.

As for the other stuff:

1989 would be a very early Shiloh Products rifle, one of the Wolfgang Droege jobs out of Farmingdale, NY. Does the action or barrel have an address like that, or a small wolf’s head stamped anywhere? The barrel underside stamping is odd, too. Either somebody needed to be reminded that the same caliber barrel could be chambered for several shell sizes (unlikely, in this country) or maybe it’s a commemorative barrel off something else that somebody grafted onto their percussion Shiloh.

Yes, you can convert a percussion Sharps rifle to metallic cartridge; the original company did hundreds of thousands of them for the Army. You need a correctly fitting breechblock with a firing pin, and a chambering or reline/chambering for the barrel. Shiloh of Big Timber fixes up a lot of originals, and their own products, and those of the predecessor company, so you might give them a call and see what they can do.

The mangled screws should be re-slotted or replaced. Every one of them in the action innards needs removal for cleaning, especially the cleanout screw, which can be a real bugger to get out after a shooting session.

[Woodtroll]

Bent Ramrod, you sure know a lot more about the percussions than I do!

I am pretty sure, though, that Mr. Droege had moved to Montana by the mid-80s. The Bryan family took over from Mr. Droege early 90's (1991, maybe?). Not that this helps figure out the rifle, but I'm glad I'm not the only one scratching my head!

[Hootmix]

Back on post #211 & #221, Bouteselle, has a plate (w/ pics), removed from the block, how do i remove the plate. I removed a buggered screw from the left side, but the plate is still stuck.

hav'n coffee, Hootmix.

[Drydock]

Yep, Shiloh barrel. The Montana centennials were 1874 pattern cartridge rifles built
in 1989 just after Shiloh moved to Big Timber. The rest is some Bubba's experiment it seems.

[Hootmix]

Man Dry, do that mean i have to call my rifle " Bubbet'a"? Well i got the brass gas ring honed flat (someone had used a file and filed at an angle, so the top was thicker than the bottom, using Magic Marker and a porcelain hone w/ lite oil cleaning every 50 strokes. It now slides up to closed position, does not have any movement (wiggle), thanks to folk here i'm learning. I can see me converting it to a 45-60.

All that coffee paid off, Hootmix.