Any 1911 45 Fans???

[seagiant]

Hi,
Saw a movie that I thought was pretty good action adventure flick!

Called "Hit Man Agent 47" the lead players used 1911 45's alot in the movie and showed the old war horse is still the great pistol it has always been!!!!

Just sayin!

[DerekP Houston]

Still working the kinks out on my beginner model =). They sure are some fancy and pretty guns though, and what a dream to shoot! My knock off was dirt cheap and still feels like a well tamed cannon. I just wish the price tag was a little lower on the nicer models but that is always the case. I've got the idiot mark on the slide and still fumble putting it back together occasionally. I know the steps, that damn lever just doesn't always want to pop right back in yet.

reloading for it is a dream, the large case, plentiful cheap brass, and takes just about any boolit shape I throw at it. My new mold is sitting here glaring at me for not casting any to try out yet.

[DougGuy]

TY seagiant, found that movie getting it now..

Hard to beat a pair..

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/DougGuy/1911A1/20150609_135931crop640_zps8jlaettg.jpg (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/DougGuy/media/1911A1/20150609_135931crop640_zps8jlaettg.jpg.html)


http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/DougGuy/1911%20Commander/NewAutoOrdnanceColtCommanderRtSide640_zpsq1brvsek. jpg (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/DougGuy/media/1911%20Commander/NewAutoOrdnanceColtCommanderRtSide640_zpsq1brvsek. jpg.html)

[swamp]

I am a fan. Have 4. First handgun I bought. LLama. Got it in high school in Spain.
swamp

[victorfox]

I am! And therefore I consider crimes of the highest order what Imbel does here in brazil... it produces a full size 1911 in 380ACP featuring a 5" barrel... :(

Link of gun store showing 1911 and price (R$ 3900 translates roughly around US$ 1200!!!!)

http://www.paudefogo.com.br/produto/365

They also make a smaller 1911 380, and .40S&W versions, as well as 9mm and regular 45s for the army in brazil. Since I don't want to have a 380 and don't have the permit for a .45 I collect pictures :D:D:D:D

I like the surreal reloading sequence of Woody Harrelson in Zombieland (silly movie, gave me some light laughs)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFOTlwaEHk

[Beagle333]

I just got my first one. 'Always been a wheelgun man. I think I'm gonna like it, but I haven't been released to shoot anything yet though. (still fresh from carpal tunnel surgery)
http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt214/shutupandjump/45%20Colt/91edc817-b252-4248-abac-4aa2efa617aa_zpsbsczizrs.jpg

[seagiant]

Hi,
I think I have the "BEST" two molds for the 45 AUTO! (my opinion!)

The MP HG#68 200 gr. clone!

And the LBT LFN 230 GR., both in 4 cavity!

Both these molds are a pleasure to use and the kicker is the seating depth, taper crimp are the same for both boolits!!!

[seagiant]

Hi,
Those are nice pistols!

I have to show my "retro" build!

Caspian frame and a Colt/Brazilian Army slide!

Hand checkering, a S&W take off barrel, Ahern checkered ebony grips.

Frame and slide lapped in and a trigger job using Power Custom jigs!

Front site is peened and soldered!

Rear site is a "10-8 Retro"

Wilson Combat mags!

Just a no frills combat pistol that always goes, bang!

[osteodoc08]

I have colt, kimber, sig, RIA and looking for a Springer TRP. I love them and will continue to collect them.

[TXGunNut]

Three at the moment, been carrying one of the three on a reqular basis for 35 yrs now.

[M-Tecs]

Purchased my first one in 1974. Have a bunch now. Haven't found it's equal yet and I have tried a bunch.

[jcren]

Love mine. Stainless so I can mess with it and stagalite cause that is what the first pistol I ever shot 30 years ago had.
171808

[DougGuy]

Hi,
Saw a movie that I thought was pretty good action adventure flick!

Called "Hit Man Agent 47" the lead players used 1911 45's alot in the movie and showed the old war horse is still the great pistol it has always been!!!!

Just sayin!

I like this guy. Rupert Friend a.k.a. "Peter Quinn" the CIA bad@ss in the "Homeland" series.

"Agent 47's" movie guns:


http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/DougGuy/dumb%20stuff/Hitman.Agent.47%20Guns1%20Custom_zpsqt5esoqb.jpg (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/DougGuy/media/dumb%20stuff/Hitman.Agent.47%20Guns1%20Custom_zpsqt5esoqb.jpg.h tml)

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/DougGuy/dumb%20stuff/Hitman.Agent.47%20Guns2%20Custom_zpsjtlop2pe.jpg (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/DougGuy/media/dumb%20stuff/Hitman.Agent.47%20Guns2%20Custom_zpsjtlop2pe.jpg.h tml)

[varmintpopper]

Not a pretty gun , it knows how to shoot.
Auto Ordnance Corp competition model 1911A1

171809

[osteodoc08]

Not a pretty gun , it knows how to shoot.
Auto Ordnance Corp competition model 1911A1

171809

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it look very functional.

[knifemaker]

171810171811Here is two favorite 1911s of mine. The Colt National Match 1911 was my duty gun in my law enforcement career. That target was shot at 25 yards with a full magazine of 8 rounds of my +P duty loads. The S&W 1911 was my match gun. After a match barrel was fitted the target was fired at 25 yards from a Ransom rest using 8 rounds of Federal 185 gr. Gold match ammo. Both guns were extremely reliable for both duty and IDPA pistol matches. That one hole with the S&W can be covered with a 5 cent nickel.

[sghart3578]

Any 1911 45 Fans???
Isn't everybody?

I have an old Auto Ordnance 1911 from the Hurley NY days. You know the one, the one that everyone says is junk, etc.

I have had it for a long time and it just works. I have had it so long that I am on my third extractor.

It shoots the Lee 452-200 SWC like a laser.

Over the years I replaced the stock grip safety with a beavertail to eliminate the bite. I upgraded to real walnut stocks from the plastic. And I finally replaced the sights. The old GI sights were hard to see so I drifted in a new rear sight and my son generously staked on a new front sight.

I love that gun and want to be buried with it.


Steve in N CA

[rondog]

Yeah, got a few of 'em.....

[wch]

I'll bet my life on mine.

[bullet maker 57]

Got 4 and love them all.

[6bg6ga]

Two Kimbers, one S&W 1911 from the custom shop, one Officers in stainless, and one Colt national match.

[DLCTEX]

I also have an Auto Ordinance 1911 that I have had 21 years today as it was a 50th birthday gift from my son's. It has had 30,000+ rounds through it and is still going strong. Accuracy is on par or better with any 1911 I have ever shot against.

[seagiant]

171810171811Here is two favorite 1911s of mine. The Colt National Match 1911 was my duty gun in my law enforcement career. That target was shot at 25 yards with a full magazine of 8 rounds of my +P duty loads. The S&W 1911 was my match gun. After a match barrel was fitted the target was fired at 25 yards from a Ransom rest using 8 rounds of Federal 185 gr. Gold match ammo. Both guns were extremely reliable for both duty and IDPA pistol matches. That one hole with the S&W can be covered with a 5 cent nickel.

Hi,
I have one of the older S&W "Billboard" 1911's and it is a shooter out of the box!

The trigger is perfect and as I bought it used not sure if it came that way but I carry it and trust it!!!

[mold maker]

I was 62 before I found out what all the fuss was about. Boy did I waste a lot of my shooting life.
First one I ever really handled was contagious, and now there are 4. From a long slide to a compact, I love them all.

[crowbuster]

love em

[Clay M]

One can never have too many 1911's.

I have some of the plastic guns, but the 1911 is still my favorite.

I like the Commander best.

[MrWolf]

I only have two... For now!

[2wheelDuke]

I'm very suspect of any firearms enthusiast that doesn't have at least a casual appreciation for the .45acp 1911.

Once I had a real job and could afford one, a 1911 was my 3rd handgun. I had a cheap S&W 9mm when I first turned 21 and that was a stretch. I bought an old K-frame trade in when I was in the academy. Then I got the used 1911.

I kinda wish I still had that gun, but I gave it to my brother when his son was born. I don't suppose I can regret that.

[Char-Gar]

In 1961, I acquired my first center fire handgun, a Remington-Rand 1911A1. It drove me into handgun reloading and bullet casting to feed it's petite. For the next 4 years, it was my only handgun and it got pressed into service to do everything a man wants a handgun to do. It was less than idea for some tasks, like shooting deer, but it worked.

The 1911 remains my idea of an ideal utility pistol. Since that times I have owned several hundred handguns, but the 1911 still has a special place in my heart and hand. I am down to three now, but they are all gooduns.

[runfiverun]

I love agent 47 I use all kinds of their stuff on the old Mustang.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNtX6CVr9t8

oh yeah 1911's are pretty good too I guess I only have 3,, 4 if you count the wife's double stack Para in 9mm.

[condorjohn]

Here's my Colt 70 series, Competition Model. I can't brag on its accuracy only because I'm
not much of a pistol marksman...171821171822

[Kraschenbirn]

Hmmm, guess I must like 'em 'cause, left to right across the top shelf of the safe, there's the '43 Remington-Rand that followed me home from SE Asia; a pre-Series 70 LW Commander; a Series 70 Gold Cup; a TK Custom 'Racegun' with a Clark Comp and Aimpoint; a 'parts gun' built on an Essex frame with Colt slide and (mostly) Wilson innards; and, finally, another LW Commander; this one in 9mm...all the rest are .45 ACP.

Bill

[Ithaca Gunner]

I guess I like em, I got seven now.

[Blackwater]

The .45 was the 2nd pistol I ever bought, and I haven't been long without one since. The first was a Ruger SA .357, but when I found my 3-yr. old son could load, cock and fire the gun, I sold it and got the .45 so he couldn't rack the slide to load one from th efull magazine. For me, this gun has been like those Smokey Bear or campaign hats the troopers wear here. Back when I did my practicum with them in college, the Trooper I was assigned to told me that when they're issued at the academy, they're told not to worry if they don't fit, just keep wearing it and your head will change shape to fit the hat. There's actually some truth in that, I think. The .45 is pretty neutral feeling at first. But after many, many thousands of rounds, I work it and point it very intuitively and naturally and with no hesitation or need for thought. This is a real asset in the woods or in a SD situation. It'll always be my favorite carry gun, but here in summer's heat, it's just too big and heavy to conceal really effectively under a tee shirt or other appropriate garb in our summers, so I got my little "pea shooter" .380. But nothing will ever, I think, be quite as great an all-around, do-everything gun as the .45 for my purposes. I love the way good bullets make a huge hole in a snake's head. It'll reliably drain the poison sacs of a rattler, which is something I like to ensure when I shoot one. It's a legendary stopper, though ALL guns need to have their bullets placed well to be maximally effective. It's quick and easy to reload smoothly. It's controllable, though the kind'a double-shuffle recoil of a powerful auto takes a little getting used to at first. It's flat, which makes it more easily and comfortably carried. It's not too long, not too short - kind'a a good size, really, for a good, usable, utility gun for whatever comes up.

Its only drawbacks for those of us with bad backs is bending down to pick up the brass, and the fact that when you're at the river, most of them go "plunk" and are never seen again to be reloaded.

No gun's perfect, but the 1911 comes about as close as any gun with which I'm familiar, and it's close enough for me. I love other guns, but I'd VERY much hate to EVER be without a .45! VERY much!

[Der Gebirgsjager]

I haven't seen "Hit Man Agent 47", but it's hard to believe that there could be a better 1911 movie than "Last Man Standing" with Bruce Willis. he was extensively coached by Thell Reed in 1911 handling. Since the original 1911 is essentially a right handed pistol the techniques shown in the movie for reloading left handed are really interesting to watch.

Yes, I am a 1911 fan. Got my first one at age 16, still have it, and the numbers have only grown. Here's three of them.


171858171859 171860
(1) SW1911 (2) Colt 1991A1 (3) DGFM (FMAP)

[skeettx]

Old 45 Commander Liteweight
Old 9mm Commander Liteweight
45 Nickle Commander

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/MVC-012S23.JPG

[Leadforbrains]

171862171861Sig Sauer 1911 Ultra Compact. I carry this Daily. I also Have a Springfield Armory Longslide Trophy Match.

[Leadforbrains]

171864171865171866171867My new .45-205A mold from Accurate molds. It is what I am using to feed my .45acps

[bruce drake]

Two RIA Government Models. I've set both up to be Switch-barrel pistols. 9mmLuger/38 Super and 400Corbon/45ACP
One Star Super Model in 9mm Largo

Love all three. I actually try to rotate between the three throughout the week as I feel confident that any of the three will do the job if I need to use it in self-defense or defense of others.

Bruce

[Thumbcocker]

Respected them but never much liked them..... until I shot a friends Sig and shredded a 44 oz soda cup at 100 yards with boolits. Got one just like it. I call them honorary revolvers.

[GOPHER SLAYER]

Woody Harrelson used two, to great effect in, "Zombieland"

[dragon813gt]

I own one. But I honestly don't care much for them. I appreciate the 1911 design but I'm as far from a fanboy as you can get. There are many designs that are far superior.

[Char-Gar]

I own one. But I honestly don't care much for them. I appreciate the 1911 design but I'm as far from a fanboy as you can get. There are many designs that are far superior.

You done stepped in it now boy!

[varmintpopper]

Auto Ordnance Corporation also manufactured the "Thompson .45 cal Machine gun".

Good Shooting

Lindy

[seagiant]

171864171865171866171867My new .45-205A mold from Accurate molds. It is what I am using to feed my .45acps


Hi,
VERY nice mold and looks like it should feed well.

I wondered about feeding with my LBT WFN, but have had no problems and it has a bigger meplat than the clone HG#68!

[Babbott213]

I have four. Three Para Ordnance P-12's and one Para Ordnance Warthog which is my EDC. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160709/aed319be736a20243be7c140fbd601ae.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160709/26d44093d02715b04b311bea321712b1.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160709/b7df1cb50c44fbeba35388b8dde5c7ee.jpg


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[seagiant]

I own one. But I honestly don't care much for them. I appreciate the 1911 design but I'm as far from a fanboy as you can get. There are many designs that are far superior.


Hi,
Oh boy, don't know where to start here?

John Browning's 1911 (and earlier models) was the first sliding, short recoil, breech block!!!!

Read that again, because every auto pistol used today (or 99%) use this system!!!

"Superior Design????" Other pistol's would have NOTHING, if not for the basic working design of the 1911!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1911_pistol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nskycsatTY

[Plate plinker]

I like 1911's but also like water too. Does not everybody?

[Walkingwolf]

I have always found service 1911's to be reliable, and extremely accurate for a semi auto. What is not to like about that?

[OS OK]

Thanks to Jake70 for the Rams Horn grips...is there any other platform?

171895

[seagiant]

Thanks to Jake70 for the Rams Horn grips...is there any other platform?

171895

Hi,
There was the "toggle-lock"!

Can we say "Luger"!

http://weaponsman.com/?p=10478

[OS OK]

Never cared for the Luger because of the light front barrel, it seemed to whip around rather than provide forward balance to the pistol.
I say never...only until I shot a long barreled version, I think was called a 'tankers Luger', now that is a balanced pistol and I'd like to own one for sure.
Maybe there is another platform?

[seagiant]

Never cared for the Luger because of the light front barrel, it seemed to whip around rather than provide forward balance to the pistol.
I say never...only until I shot a long barreled version, I think was called a 'tankers Luger', now that is a balanced pistol and I'd like to own one for sure.
Maybe there is another platform?


Hi,
Well...there is the straight bolt "blowback" type but is not really good for anything much more powerful than a .22 cartridge!

The 1911 was copied or used as a basic design by everyone for a reason I guess?

The only "improvements" I can think of is the external extractor, (this can be argued of course!)

Different type safetys?

Linkless (cam) barrel lock up and the wide body frame permitting higher round counts!

But in the end nothing superior in overall design to me! (my opinion)

[dragon813gt]

Hi,
Oh boy, don't know where to start here?

John Browning's 1911 (and earlier models) was the first sliding, short recoil, breech block!!!!

Read that again, because every auto pistol used today (or 99%) use this system!!!

"Superior Design????" Other pistol's would have NOTHING, if not for the basic working design of the 1911!!!


I hate this type of argument because it has no bearing. Just because it came first doesn't make it superior. Just look at the internal combustion engine. They all work on the same principle. But no one is going to say one from a Model T is the best ever.

I appreciate the 1911. And I never said it's design was a bad one. But things have progressed a lot over the past 105 years. There are modern designs that are better in every aspect. It doesn't mean you have to or will like them. I personally will. 105 years of history plays a big role in it's popularity. Not trying to diminish it any way. But this fact can't be ignored.

There was a thread recently about gun "cults". No surprise the 1911 is on that list.

[seagiant]

Hi,
Sorry but you still are not picking this up.

There is no Modern "auto" pistol design used today that does NOT use the Browning, short recoil,sliding block system!!!!

What pistol is this, that is "superior" to a 1911, that does not use this system???????

[DerekP Houston]

Hi,
Sorry but you still are not picking this up.

There is no Modern "auto" pistol design used today that does NOT use the Browning, short recoil,sliding block system!!!!

What pistol is this, that is "superior" to a 1911, that does not use this system???????

I can appreciate the original and still like cleaning a newer gun better ;). Remembering good designs and being enthusiastic is great, I appreciate all the 1911 platform has done for the gun community and they are gorgeous. They are still a PITA and a lot of parts just IMHO. I love old lever guns too, but I can't afford what they want for them so it remains a pipe dream. They have been replaced by a "superior" design too, the semi auto rifle. Doesn't change my opinion or appreciation of them one bit.

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Don't forget me, senor. La pistola Astra Modelo 1921 9mm Largo. I am a straight blowback design with no link.
171940

[DougGuy]

Damn.. Made it 56 posts with ALL 1911s, and now this. ^^^^ Had to happen sooner or later..

[DougGuy]

What pistol is this, that is "superior" to a 1911, that does not use this system???????

*IF* there WAS a pistol that is superior to the 1911, there would be MILLIONS of them in circulation by now. The fact of the matter is, the reason there are MILLIONS of 1911s in circulation, is because there ISN'T a superior design out there.

I think you can improve the original 1911 design, by refining it, but there is none better.

Things that improve the 1911 by refininement:

Wider toggle link than the bicycle chain style link found in the original design and it's faithful variants. Barrels with solid squared off cammed feet that use no movable toggle. Ramped barrel. Bushingless barrel to slide arrangement. Guided recoil springs. External extractor. Adjustable sights. Laser grips. Double stack magazines. Firing pin blocking safety.

Things that do not improve the 1911 by refinement:

Beavertail grip safety. Extended slide stop, thumb safety, magazine release. Hollowed hammer. Rowell spur hammer. Funneled magazine well. Forward cocking serrations. Squared trigger guard. Checkering, stippling. Finger groove grips.

[DerekP Houston]

*IF* there WAS a pistol that is superior to the 1911, there would be MILLIONS of them in circulation by now. The fact of the matter is, the reason there are MILLIONS of 1911s in circulation, is because there ISN'T a superior design out there.

stop letting the secret out, i'm hoping the price will come down!

[tdoor4570]

there is even a few of us that owe our lives to the 1911's being reliable as they are

[Char-Gar]

I can appreciate the original and still like cleaning a newer gun better ;). Remembering good designs and being enthusiastic is great, I appreciate all the 1911 platform has done for the gun community and they are gorgeous. They are still a PITA and a lot of parts just IMHO. I love old lever guns too, but I can't afford what they want for them so it remains a pipe dream. They have been replaced by a "superior" design too, the semi auto rifle. Doesn't change my opinion or appreciation of them one bit.

Well last year the U.S. Marine Corp just bought many thousands from Colt and shed the more modern Beretta 92. The Corp didn't think there was anything superior to the 1911 platform. They are not gun theorists, but gun users.

[seagiant]

*IF* there WAS a pistol that is superior to the 1911, there would be MILLIONS of them in circulation by now. The fact of the matter is, the reason there are MILLIONS of 1911s in circulation, is because there ISN'T a superior design out there.

I think you can improve the original 1911 design, by refining it, but there is none better.

Things that improve the 1911 by refininement:

Wider toggle link than the bicycle chain style link found in the original design and it's faithful variants. Barrels with solid squared off cammed feet that use no movable toggle. Ramped barrel. Bushingless barrel to slide arrangement. Guided recoil springs. External extractor. Adjustable sights. Laser grips. Double stack magazines. Firing pin blocking safety.

Things that do not improve the 1911 by refinement:

Beavertail grip safety. Extended slide stop, thumb safety, magazine release. Hollowed hammer. Rowell spur hammer. Funneled magazine well. Forward cocking serrations. Squared trigger guard. Checkering, stippling. Finger groove grips.

Hi,
Well your list on what is an improvement and what is not an improvement, is subjective, and really an opinion on your part and others, including me!

What someone likes on THEIR 1911, will always be different from another shooter!

Hopefully in the end, we can agree to disagree!

[35remington]

DG, many of the things you list as "improvements" to the 1911 system I see as undesirable drawbacks.

Eamples would be the firing pin safety, bushing less system, and several others. Many are of the same opinion here and elsewhere. In 45 ACP a ramped barrel is about as much use as teats on a bull.

No addition has less value than a full length guide rod save for taking money out of your pocket and making assembly/disassembly more difficult. No benefit is obtained from their use.

Trying to make a 1911 more like a Glock by removing certain features handicaps the 1911 and removes the advantages it has over Glocks. Don't do that.

[DerekP Houston]

Well last year the U.S. Marine Corp just bought many thousands from Colt and shed the more modern Beretta 92. The Corp didn't think there was anything superior to the 1911 platform. They are not gun theorists, but gun users.

Well that cinches the title....I can't argue with a devil dog. Looks like I need another now ;). Colt is going to take awhile to save up for.


DG, many of the things you list as "improvements" to the 1911 system I see as undesirable drawbacks.

Eamples would be the firing pin safety, bushing less system, and several others. Many are of the same opinion here and elsewhere. In 45 ACP a ramped barrel is about as much use as teats on a bull.

No addition has less value than a full length guide rod save for taking money out of your pocket and making assembly/disassembly more difficult. No benefit is obtained from their use.

Trying to make a 1911 more like a Glock by removing certain features handicaps the 1911 and removes the advantages it has over Glocks. Don't do that.

I like things in their original condition as indicated by the creator. I think we like to tinker too much and don't quite understand things as well as though who actually designed and created them. aka cross bolt safety, trigger locks, etc. Not just on the 1911 platform, but it seems to be the worst. Some guns have fared better than others...but to me gun safety has always been in the mind not the platform.

In the spirit of appreciation can someone recommend a particular model that would be similar (I can't afford the identical) to what was issued to our troops during ww II?

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Damn.. Made it 56 posts with ALL 1911s, and now this. ^^^^ Had to happen sooner or later..

Hey.. lighten up a little, Doug--I just posted the Astra to show my friend seagiant that blowbacks do come in sizes larger than .22! And, I tried to do it in a nice, tactful, friendly way........

[OS OK]

Hi,
Well your list on what is an improvement and what is not an improvement, is subjective, and really an opinion on your part and others, including me!

What someone likes on THEIR 1911, will always be different from another shooter!

Hopefully in the end, we can agree to disagree!

Where did he get that 'tank buster ammo'? I want some of that.

[flyingmonkey35]

I love 47s comment never clean them both at the same time.

Or was it never do that again.

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[Walkingwolf]

Hey.. lighten up a little, Doug--I just posted the Astra to show my friend seagiant that blowbacks do come in sizes larger than .22! And, I tried to do it in a nice, tactful, friendly way........

How successful was the Astra? Never owned one so I have no idea.

[Mauser48]

Working on getting my first one now. Shother one awhile ago and thought it was nice, then I forgot about it. I just held one last week and my first impression was, yep I'm buying this next! I had to chose between that and the cz 75b. Guess it doesn't matter since I will have them both eventually!

[DougGuy]

In the spirit of appreciation can someone recommend a particular model that would be similar (I can't afford the identical) to what was issued to our troops during ww II?


This build was to replicate the same exact WWII era GI .45 that our boys carried off to war on both fronts.

I used an Auto Ordnance lower that came from Gunbroker for $300, and WWII era Remington Rand slide, HS barrel, and all NOS GI parts in the upper. I wanted to build one exactly like the armorers would have built one from parts, just like John Moses Browning designed them with complete interchangabliity with parts no matter who made them.

It was an interesting build and I think I wound up with about $400 or $450 in it all together. Everything was assembled as shipped, except for lapping the slide to the frame rails which made for an extra nice fit which our military guns did not have. I sent the slide to a member here and had it reparked. I also tuned the extractor and throated the barrel. Other than that, everything else is totally bone stock "as issued." The pistol functions flawlessly and shoots great groups.

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/DougGuy/1911A1/20150609_135950crop640_zps7ldnwgdv.jpg (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/DougGuy/media/1911A1/20150609_135950crop640_zps7ldnwgdv.jpg.html)

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/DougGuy/1911A1/20150609_135931crop640_zps8jlaettg.jpg (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/DougGuy/media/1911A1/20150609_135931crop640_zps8jlaettg.jpg.html)

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/DougGuy/1911A1/pix310092583_zpsmct3ofoy.jpg (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/DougGuy/media/1911A1/pix310092583_zpsmct3ofoy.jpg.html)

First group fired with it, about 15yds standing, two handed grip. This was with the HS barrel after I throated it with a fairly generous .4525" freebore, it grouped into half the size of a stock Colt barrel that had not been throated.

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/DougGuy/1911A1/HS-LongThroat_zps8rbolkau.jpg (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/DougGuy/media/1911A1/HS-LongThroat_zps8rbolkau.jpg.html)

I used a longer barrel link after the first range session, which brought down the point of impact to the middle of the 6" plate.

Edit:

Checked on gunbroker, here is a listing for a new Auto Ordnance WWII edition 1911A1 parkerized, wood grips, this is the complete 1911A1 which is the same frame and internals as I used on mine, they make a right dang good 1911 I have to admit, at a very good price to boot. You couldn't build one like this for what they are selling it for.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/569475435

Here is an Auto Ordnance blued 1911A1 complete frame the same as the one I used in my Commander build, from the same seller I bought two other AO 1911A1 frames from. Reliable seller! Reliable receiver too! He may even have another parkerized WWII frame if you want to call and ask them.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/570303019

Here is the commander I built with the blued AO frame kit like what is in the link I posted:

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/DougGuy/1911%20Commander/NewCommanderJoined1024_zpse3kkxuw9.jpg (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/DougGuy/media/1911%20Commander/NewCommanderJoined1024_zpse3kkxuw9.jpg.html)

Here is a link to a different AO 1911A1 WWII parkerized gun with plastic grips like mine, $450 with 3hrs left:

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/570141724

[Kevinakaq]

Had multiple 1911's in 45 acp over the years. Currently (as recent as this afternoon) enjoy shooting a Springfield Armory Milspec 1911 in SS. Always a pleasure and always gets compliments from the guys at the range.

I recently on a whim picked up an surplus Israeli BUL M-5 from Buds (1911 design with Kevlar/polymer frame) and at first hated it as far as aesthetics go. After cleaning her up and discovering she is a tack driver I readjusted my opinion. Just lays bullets on target with little effort it seems. 18 9mm rounds with a 1911 trigger 'ain't nutin' to turn your nose up at either...

171968

[ole 5 hole group]

Here's what the 1911 will be going to if one intends to go into Harm's Way. It will shoot hardball just as tight as target ammo.
171965171966

The red dot has been found to work fairly well on the M4 and they will work on the 1911 just as effectively. Makes a pretty good shot out of a person who wasn't all that good with "irons". You will see more & more commercial production pistols coming out with milled slides for various red dots. It's always a good idea to have back up iron sights (BUIS), for peace of mind, if for no other reason.;)

[DerekP Houston]

This build was to replicate the same exact WWII era GI .45 that our boys carried off to war on both fronts.

Checked on gunbroker, here is a listing for a new Auto Ordnance WWII edition 1911A1 parkerized, wood grips, this is the complete 1911A1 which is the same frame and internals as I used on mine, they make a right dang good 1911 I have to admit, at a very good price to boot. You couldn't build one like this for what they are selling it for.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/569475435

Very cool, added to the wish list. Mine is a cheap turkish knockoff made by "Tisa". Function and shoots great was just my first intro to the platform other than my BIL's safe queen kimber. I can't stand a gun that can't be used as a tool though that is just IMHO. Great idea for a thread, I need to check out that movie.



The red dot has been found to work fairly well on the M4 and they will work on the 1911 just as effectively. Makes a pretty good shot out of a person who wasn't all that good with "irons". You will see more & more commercial production pistols coming out with milled slides for various red dots. It's always a good idea to have back up iron sights (BUIS), for peace of mind, if for no other reason.

wait you mean to tell me people use those silly looking optics on handguns?? :kidding:


DOUG if I win that low bid I'm blaming you this time.

[earplug]

Carried a 1911 in the U.S Army, Competed in Bullseye and USPSA with various 45 ACP 1911's.
For pure pain free unadulterated fun and cheap shooting. My STI Trojan in 9MM has been a joy. Won't shoot my cast bullets as well as a 45 but its good enough.

[quack1]

I'm more of a revolver guy, but everyone should have a 1911.
Here's mine, just as it left the Ithaca factory in late 1943.
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll300/1quack1/IMG_0034.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll300/1quack1/IMG_0033.jpg

[DougGuy]

That's quite nice quack1. I *had* a 1943 Colt, slide numbered to the frame, should have never traded that one away.. Oh well, the M77 I traded it for put a LOT more meat in the freezer than the 1911 did, so...




DOUG if I win that low bid I'm blaming you this time.

You will like that one, and it IS about the most accurate reproduction of the WWII style 1911A1s on the market. A LOT more period correct than others. It is a series 80, which is the only modern refinements it has.

[DerekP Houston]

You will like that one, and it IS about the most accurate reproduction of the WWII style 1911A1s on the market. A LOT more period correct than others. It is a series 80, which is the only modern refinements it has.

i've wasted more money spending on MSRP until i discovered online sales and gunbroker. t'ain't like they are going down in value at this rate anyways. My 401k has a worse return than freaking ammo lately.

Thanks for the recommendation though and the link! (don't link it to anyone else I hate bidding wars)

[Der Gebirgsjager]

How successful was the Astra? Never owned one so I have no idea.

They were the main issue for the Spanish armed forces during the 20s and 30s. The Germans purchased a slightly different model, the 600/43 in 9mm Luger for issue mainly to their air force during WW II. They are highly accurate and reliable, and only handicapped a bit by the smallish sights. Nevertheless, they won many European pistol matches. Honestly, I wasn't trying to change the thread around from 1911s to Astras, just making a point that blowback actions can be used in calibers other than .22 quite successfully. I am a 1911 fan, as I stated in my first post, and own about a dozen of them in various configurations.
DG

[seagiant]

Hi,
Well .22's are the best example here of a bolt "blowback" action, so the one I used!

I'm an old fan of the now defunct Spanish made STAR Pistols (Mod 28)

Doug, thanks for the pics, links, and info!

One of my first 1911's was the "old" AO pistol.

I THINK Kahr took them over and supposedly the workmanship improved on them?

Might be a "Best Buy" now for a quality, Made in USA, pistol?

[DerekP Houston]

She can blow-back any time she likes....and doug...this guns on you! I need a decent holiday or something "multiply like bunny's in the safe" isn't working anymore. Now I just get the stank face.

[DougGuy]

In the spirit of appreciation can someone recommend a particular model that would be similar (I can't afford the identical) to what was issued to our troops during ww II?


And so now you have caught that dream and can take it out and hold it in your hand and realize that it symbolizes a sense of respect and honor for the generation that fought in the great hate, for that respect is only borne by those of us who can hold that 1911 and truly understand what it is that made it great, because it isn't the gun.

Glad you won it!

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Ever seen one of these? Does it still qualify as a 1911?

171981

Here's one not seen too often.

171985

Good story with this one. I'll try to keep it short.

171987

I bought this from another enthusiast as you see it, except I probably changed out the grips at one time or another. As you can see, the serial no. is 7674. The fellow I bought it from couldn't tell me anything about it. A real mystery gun, because it is positively a Colt-made frame and a Colt slide. But, early 1911s had U.S. Property markings, or if made for commercial sale they had a "C" in front of the number. Also, this number, not very visible in the photo, is an odd style of writing, more like script that block. I bought all sorts of books and couldn't find one like it. One of the books was an extensive list of serial numbers by date and manufacturer, and in researching a Remington Rand I found a foot note where a fellow desired to be contacted if one's Remington was within a certain serial number range to determine if it had a High Standard manufactured barrel for a reference book he was writing. So I sent a letter off to him about my Remington with the information he wanted to know, and was absolutely astounded to get a letter back. He said that the research program had ended years earlier and then told me all about my pistol. I wrote back and thanked him and told him about the mystery 1911 pictured above. Doggoned if he didn't phone me and told me to look at a certain photo in a particular book, which I just happened to have on the shelf, and I'd notice that the style of number was the same in the photo as on this pistol. He was absolutely correct. It turned out that the first 1911s manufactured by Colt as Super .38s had this style of writing for the serial number, and the conclusion could only be that this frame left the factory as a Super .38 and someone swapped out the upper half for that of a .45 ACP. So, probably not the most exciting bedtime story, I know...but you might run across this someday.

[DerekP Houston]

I shall post my new treasure once she arrives. Thanks Doug, I think i shall get it engraved on the side with a mark "doug's gun" in honor of this forum. You seem to do a fair bit of work for members with your services already.

[skeettx]

I have a Full Frame Blow Back Colt :)
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/thumbs/MVC-003S29.JPG
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/MVC-004S26.JPG

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Ooooooh....now that .38 is nice!

[slohunter]

Any 1911 .45 fans, you mean there's other auto's out there besides the 1911?

[camp]

172003just picked my first 1911 up, Springfield army kote green

[daniel lawecki]

I have two 1911's of all the firearms I have they get shot the most.

[seagiant]

Hi,
When I was sailing regularly into the Domican Republic years ago.

I noticed all the Cops and Security Guards were carrying Colt 1911 .38 Super Pistols?

I assume at one time the Dominican Government, got them in a contract from COLT???

Why they were in 38 Super instead of .45, I have no idea, except maybe, recoil????

[DougGuy]

Why they were in 38 Super instead of .45, I have no idea, except maybe, recoil????

Some of the wartime surrender terms limited what caliber that a country was permitted. There may be an old law on the books there from even the Versailles treaty days that limited Germany to .30 caliber or smaller, hence the .30 Luger cartridge was born out of necessity to comply with that treaty.

[tygar]

Got my first one about 1960 & I don't know just how many I currently have.

I'll try to come close by WAG without digging thru safes. C-Colt(60s), Ser 70 CDR, Gold Cup, Colt Cdr comp, Colt Hard Ball Gun, Govt Mdl, Ser 80 Gold Cup, Hard Ball Gun, some special Colt 1yr issue that is CDR slide w/officers grip, one year 1991 w/target sites, 3 or 4 Officers, Kimber Ultra Carry, P13, P14, P15 comp. That's a good guess, maybe more or less. Probably have had in the triple didgets on 1911s since my first in 60. Just got talked out of my last Ser 70 slide by my gunsmith, so now have a credit on guns he's making.

Don't know why anyone would want to own a 1911.

[Piedmont]

Some of the wartime surrender terms limited what caliber that a country was permitted. There may be an old law on the books there from even the Versailles treaty days that limited Germany to .30 caliber or smaller, hence the .30 Luger cartridge was born out of necessity to comply with that treaty.

The 9mm Luger cartridge was a later development than the .30 Luger.

[seagiant]

Hi,
Doug your idea, sounds better than mine.

We are talking about a "Banana Republic" so that makes sense!

I was thinking of building a 9x23 from a 38 Super but then you will have trouble with ammo on the street?

Reloading no problem but 9mm and 45 Auto, easier to find!

I sold my 10mm pistols as I decided the 45 Auto to be the perfect CQB round in a pistol.

Funny how JMB could get so many things right, with this platform!!!

[DougGuy]

The 9mm Luger cartridge was a later development than the .30 Luger.

The original Lugers of 1908 were 9mm parabellum afaik. There was no reason to neck it down prior to the Treaty Of Versailles.


Funny how JMB could get so many things right, with this platform!!!

My what a flexible and slim platform there! Would she be packin' a Commandette Model of 1911????

[Piedmont]

The original Lugers of 1908 were 9mm parabellum afaik. There was no reason to neck it down prior to the Treaty Of Versailles.

The Luger of 1908 was not the original Luger. Your history on this one is all wrong. The 7.65 came first. The Germans wanted a bigger bullet so the case was shortened and necked up to essentially be a straight case (yeah, it is tapered slightly).

[NavyVet1959]

I was thinking of building a 9x23 from a 38 Super but then you will have trouble with ammo on the street?


9x23 ammo is not that easy to find unless you order it online. But then again, I haven't noticed much in the way of .38 SUPER ammo either.

I have a RIA .22 TCM / 9mm combo that I'm using to build what is probably best categorized as a .38 SuperComp. I used a .38 SUPER barrel, but the brass will be made from .223 brass and loaded to 9x23 pressures. As such, I should not have to modify the extractor since .22 TCM is based off the .223 brass. Just need to get around to ordering the heavier recoil springs. Been out of the country for the last month and before that, they didn't have all the other parts for my order ready, so I had been holding off on completing the order. Too many things in the order for all of them to be in-stock at that same time, I guess.

I would have to say that M1911s are probably my favorite handgun, but I'm not fanatical about it. Off the top of my head, I can think of at least 8 different M1911s that I own in various calibers, frame sizes, or single vs double magazine stacks. Now, if they were all in the same frame size and caliber, *maybe* I would be considered "fan". :)

[DougGuy]

The Luger of 1908 was not the original Luger. Your history on this one is all wrong. The 7.65 came first. The Germans wanted a bigger bullet so the case was shortened and necked up to essentially be a straight case (yeah, it is tapered slightly).

I don't know where you got your history lessons from but I would trust the history as told my one Mr. Fred M. Datig over other sources.

In the beginning, they ALL were 9mm. All the way up to the Treaty Of Versailles. Here are a few snippets from the history of the Luger:


"In 1914, Germany entered the Great War armed with two basic Lugers, the military Model of 1908/14 and the Naval Model of 1904/14. The military or Army Model is almost identical to the Model 1908. All types have a 4-inch barrel, stock lug, holdopen device and a letter of the alphabet following the four digit serial number. All are caliber 9mm and will have the date of manufacture over the chamber. According to unofficial sources, approximately 2 million 4-inch barrelled Military Models were produced by both manufacturers, DWM and Erfurl, during the First World War period. In addition to this staggering figure, about 50 million replacement parts were supplied. The majority of these pistols and parts were of DWM manufacture."

"After World War I If there is any period in the complete history of the Luger where almost every rule is broken regarding models, variations, serial numbers, or anything on which a definite conclusion may be based, it is found in the post-World War I period. Perhaps the most important influence upon Luger production after that war was the Treaty of Versailles. This Treaty limited production to calibers not larger than 8mm and barrels no longer than 100mm, or 3 15/16 inches. These restrictions did not require a complete retooling by Luger manufacturers, however, as the pistol is so designed that by merely changing the barrel, and no other parts,the Luger is transformed from one caliber to the other! Because the standard military issue barrel was 4 inches, or l/16th-inch longer than the terms of the Treaty would allow, the barrel had to be shortened in order to conform. The Germans chose a barrel with a length of 3? inches or approximately 98mm. This model became known as the post-War Model, or the Model 1923."

Read the whole article here:

http://www.gundigest.com/gun-digest-classics-articles/thelugerpistol

Later, Hitler secretly set up production of 9mm Luger pistols in violation of the treaty. These were the 9mm Lugers you are referring to.

[Piedmont]

Doug Guy, I got my history lessons reading about the .30 Luger cartridge which has always fascinated me. What you are missing is you think of the Luger as only German. What little internet searching I just now did reports that the Swiss Army was the first to adopt the Luger in 1900 IN ITS ORIGINAL CHAMBERING, 7.65. (Not yelling at you, just want to emphasize that.) So everything you quoted from that fellow's book is probably 100 percent accurate, but the part you are missing is the Germans adopted it in 9mm so of course all the German Lugers were in 9mm. But the pistol was designed and produced first in .30 Luger.

Imagine if back in the early 1900s JMB had designed the 1911 around a .40 caliber, but Uncle Sam said we want a .45. All US service 1911s would have been in .45 because that is what the US services adopted. Make sense?
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2016/3/3/a-look-back-at-the-pistole-parabellum-1908-p08-luger/

[youngmman]

Amen, I like to experiment with different bullets and loads and have found none better for my 1911's than the LBT 230 LFN, BHN 14, 6.1gn Unique, WLP, 1.20" OAL, .470" taper crimp. This seems to be outstanding in reliability and accuracy using any one of my Springfield 1911's.

By the way, I talked with Springfield and found out they will not seek approval for the sale of anymore handguns here in CA because of new regs beginning in Jan 2017. There is a magazine lock and chamber indicator required then and they are not equipped to change their existing design (more likely don't want to and I don't blame them)

Welcome to COMMIEFORNIA. This used to be a nice place to live.

[Gunslinger1911]

Woo hoo, now yer talkin my language !
I started off with a SA 1911A1 back in the early 90's Smithed it to my preference along the way (basically what a Range Officer is now )
Added Colt .22 conversion unit - now that's a hoot
Colt Officers Auto .45
Built up a Rock Island Officers for my son so I could get my Colt back
Built a 38 super on a full size RI
Built a 10mm on a fitted Caspian frame and slide (that was fun ! getting that recoil impulse balanced was interesting !!)
RIA 22 TCM / 9mm - One of the best fit 1911's I have seen !

[seagiant]

Doug Guy, I got my history lessons reading about the .30 Luger cartridge which has always fascinated me. What you are missing is you think of the Luger as only German. What little internet searching I just now did reports that the Swiss Army was the first to adopt the Luger in 1900 IN ITS ORIGINAL CHAMBERING, 7.65. (Not yelling at you, just want to emphasize that.) So everything you quoted from that fellow's book is probably 100 percent accurate, but the part you are missing is the Germans adopted it in 9mm so of course all the German Lugers were in 9mm. But the pistol was designed and produced first in .30 Luger.

Imagine if back in the early 1900s JMB had designed the 1911 around a .40 caliber, but Uncle Sam said we want a .45. All US service 1911s would have been in .45 because that is what the US services adopted. Make sense?
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2016/3/3/a-look-back-at-the-pistole-parabellum-1908-p08-luger/

Hi,
I just read a bio on JMB and was VERY surprised how much input the U.S.Army had on the 1911!!!

I think what we see today as the 1911A1 .45 Auto is a better pistol for having the Army's input!

Not taking anything from Browning, he was the Man with the Plan, but the Army did some good detail work! (my opinion!)

http://www.m1911.org/history.htm

[rosewood]

To answer the question....ME

[pmer]

172212

Here's my bone stock Gold Cup. Got quite a few p-dogs with it. On this dog the shot grazed the ground 2/3 of the way between me and dog! Also a coiled up rattler didn't much care for 200 grain LSWCs either.

[tygar]

172401
Got my first one about 1960 & I don't know just how many I currently have.

I'll try to come close by WAG without digging thru safes. C-Colt(60s), Ser 70 CDR, Gold Cup, Colt Cdr comp, Colt Hard Ball Gun, Govt Mdl, Ser 80 Gold Cup, Hard Ball Gun, some special Colt 1yr issue that is CDR slide w/officers grip, one year 1991 w/target sites, 3 or 4 Officers, Kimber Ultra Carry, P13, P14, P15 comp. That's a good guess, maybe more or less. Probably have had in the triple didgets on 1911s since my first in 60. Just got talked out of my last Ser 70 slide by my gunsmith, so now have a credit on guns he's making.

Don't know why anyone would want to own a 1911.

Well, here's most of them, a couple missing.

These are my 45s, including revolvers, not including 454s.

On top S&Ws the 2 on the left are TSWs which I carry on occasion. The others 4506 etc target/house guns.

Next on left P13, P14, missing a P15 comp. Next to them on the right are 6 hardball/match guns. Top down, 70 Gold Cup, 80 GC, next 2 are match HB guns, then 1991 Bomar semi match, bottom is the Dan Wesson tricked out something gun.

To the left of them are 6 Cdrs of various configurations. Top Ser 70 that I bought new in early 70 & carried for 20yrs, then 3 of them are tricked out combat guns & the bottom is a comp gun that is match accurate.

Next to them are 4 45 revolvers, the top one a 325PD that I carry a lot.

On bottom 3 Officers that I carry, the Kimber mostly.

Guess I better shoot some tomorrow.

[woodbutcher]

:bigsmyl2: Aw Gee guys there ain`t but one thing better that a 1911A1.Thats TWO of them.Carried one for years,and if it was`nt for it,I would`nt be here now.Thank you John Moses Browning.
Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
Leo

[woodbutcher]

:-o Just watched Agent 47 last night.Noticed in the scene where they were going to the roof and they were checking the loads in the mags.Looked like double stack mags ala Para Ord .45`s.Looked like wide body frames too.
Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
Leo