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07-07-2016, 10:04 PM
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/32385066/tucson-leaders-look-to-tighten-gun-ordinance
Tucson leaders look to tighten gun ordinance
Wednesday, July 6th 2016, 11:36 am MST
Wednesday, July 6th 2016, 7:03 pm MST
By Bud Foster, ReporterCONNECT
TUCSON, AZ (Tucson News Now) -
Tucson city unanimously passed an an updated amendment to its ordinance restricting the city's gun ordinance covering the Tucson Convention Center on Wednesday, July 6, at the council's study session.
In 2013, the city passed an ordinance which requires gun sales on city property to be subject to background checks.
It effectively ended the traditional gun shows and sales at the TCC. None has been held there since 2012.
Bud Foster @budfoster
#gunviolence on the #tucson agenda. It will challenge #az state law #SB1266. #tucsonnewsnow at 4&6
2:26 PM - 6 Jul 2016
The new restrictions to the present ordinance "would add a requirement that would prohibit the sale of any weapon, .22 gauge or larger, that is capable of firing 10 or more rounds without reloading, and/or the sale of any clip or magazine that is capable of holding 10 or more rounds of ammunition."
The restrictions are supported by Ward 1 Council member Steve Kozachik and Ward 3 member Karin Uhlich.
"We're just simply seeking to be sure that our venue, the Tucson Convention Center be managed appropriately and reflect the will of the people of Tucson," said Uhlich.
But the new restrictions may not be all they seem.
The state legislature passed Senate Bill 1266 in this legislative session and Gov. Doug Ducey signed it in May.
The bill prohibits Tucson or any other municipality or county from passing any and all gun laws or restrictions.
A violation calls for a $50,000 fine.
City leaders met in executive session last month to discuss options and to look for a way to challenge the ban.
But Kozachik says the ordinance amendment, while it may provoke the state, that is not the intent.
"This is beyond symbolism, he said. "This is a statement of principle that this governing body has not only the right but an obligation to embrace," he said.
But it goes even deeper still.
State lawmakers also passed SB 1487 which the governor signed in March.
It states Tucson, or any other municipality or county government cannot pass a law or ordinance which is "in violation of state law."
Any lawmaker can ask for an Arizona Attorney General investigation and if found guilty, the penalty is withholding state shared revenues.
In Tucson's case, that could be millions of dollars.
But Tucson is confident it will prevail as it has in recent state challenges to its election laws.
Tucson is a charter city which gives it considerable leeway to determine its own destiny without interference from state government.
The city feels confident it will win the case.
When it passed the ordinance in 2013 there were threats from lawmakers but no lawsuit or challenge materialized.
Love to see a challenge on their 22 gauge language as that would be actual case
size 12 gauge is larger than 22 gauge or numerically 20 gauge is larger than 22 gauge. But of course they think they mean caliber. God the City Attorney must be an idiot not to stop their feel good legislation. If the decimal on Gauge is correct (0.22) gauge that would be what???
Gauge Diameter_________Weight of unalloyed (pure) lead ball
(Bore)(mm) or (in)__ _____grams____ounces____grains
0.25_67.34____2.651___1814.36 ___ 64.000__28,000
0.5__53.45____2.103____907.18____32.000__14,000
.75__46.70____1.838____604.80____21.336___9328
1___ 42.42____1.669____453.59____16.000___7000
1.5_ 37.05____1.459____302.39____10.667___4667
2___ 33.67____1.326____226.80____8.000____3500
3___ 29.41____1.158____151.20____5.333____2333
4___ 26.72____1.052____113.40____4.000____1750
5___ 24.80____.976 ____ 90.72____3.200____1400
6___ 23.35____.919 ____ 75.60____2.667____1166
7___ 22.18____.873 ____ 64.80 ____2.286____1000
8___ 21.21____.835 ____ 56.70 ____2.000____875
9___ 20.39____.803 ____ 50.40 ____1.778____778
10__ 19.69____.775 ____ 45.36 ____1.600____700
11__ 19.07____.751 ____ 41.24 ____1.454____636
12__ 18.53____.729 ____ 37.80 ____1.333____583
13__ 18.04____.710 ____ 34.89 ____1.231____538
14__ 17.60____.693 ____ 32.40 ____1.143____500
15__ 17.21____.677 ____ 30.24 ____1.067____467
16__ 16.83____.663 ____ 28.35 ____1.000____438
17__ 16.50____.650 ____ 26.68 ____0.941____412
18__ 16.19____.637 ____ 25.20 ____0.889____389
20__ 15.63____.615 ____ 22.68 ____0.800____350
22__ 15.13____.596 ____ 20.62 ____0.728____319
24__ 14.70____.579 ____ 18.90 ____0.667____292
26__ 14.31____.564 ____ 17.44 ____0.615____269
28__ 13.97____.550 ____ 16.20 ____0.571____250
32__ 13.36____.526 ____ 14.17 ____0.500____219
36__ 12.85____.506 ____ 12.59 ____0.444____194
40__ 12.40____.488 ____ 11.34 ____0.400____175
67.6-10.41____.410 _____ 6.71 ____0.237____104
So my meager guessing skills makes it about 2 3/4 inch diameter barrel !
Tucson leaders look to tighten gun ordinance
Wednesday, July 6th 2016, 11:36 am MST
Wednesday, July 6th 2016, 7:03 pm MST
By Bud Foster, ReporterCONNECT
TUCSON, AZ (Tucson News Now) -
Tucson city unanimously passed an an updated amendment to its ordinance restricting the city's gun ordinance covering the Tucson Convention Center on Wednesday, July 6, at the council's study session.
In 2013, the city passed an ordinance which requires gun sales on city property to be subject to background checks.
It effectively ended the traditional gun shows and sales at the TCC. None has been held there since 2012.
Bud Foster @budfoster
#gunviolence on the #tucson agenda. It will challenge #az state law #SB1266. #tucsonnewsnow at 4&6
2:26 PM - 6 Jul 2016
The new restrictions to the present ordinance "would add a requirement that would prohibit the sale of any weapon, .22 gauge or larger, that is capable of firing 10 or more rounds without reloading, and/or the sale of any clip or magazine that is capable of holding 10 or more rounds of ammunition."
The restrictions are supported by Ward 1 Council member Steve Kozachik and Ward 3 member Karin Uhlich.
"We're just simply seeking to be sure that our venue, the Tucson Convention Center be managed appropriately and reflect the will of the people of Tucson," said Uhlich.
But the new restrictions may not be all they seem.
The state legislature passed Senate Bill 1266 in this legislative session and Gov. Doug Ducey signed it in May.
The bill prohibits Tucson or any other municipality or county from passing any and all gun laws or restrictions.
A violation calls for a $50,000 fine.
City leaders met in executive session last month to discuss options and to look for a way to challenge the ban.
But Kozachik says the ordinance amendment, while it may provoke the state, that is not the intent.
"This is beyond symbolism, he said. "This is a statement of principle that this governing body has not only the right but an obligation to embrace," he said.
But it goes even deeper still.
State lawmakers also passed SB 1487 which the governor signed in March.
It states Tucson, or any other municipality or county government cannot pass a law or ordinance which is "in violation of state law."
Any lawmaker can ask for an Arizona Attorney General investigation and if found guilty, the penalty is withholding state shared revenues.
In Tucson's case, that could be millions of dollars.
But Tucson is confident it will prevail as it has in recent state challenges to its election laws.
Tucson is a charter city which gives it considerable leeway to determine its own destiny without interference from state government.
The city feels confident it will win the case.
When it passed the ordinance in 2013 there were threats from lawmakers but no lawsuit or challenge materialized.
Love to see a challenge on their 22 gauge language as that would be actual case
size 12 gauge is larger than 22 gauge or numerically 20 gauge is larger than 22 gauge. But of course they think they mean caliber. God the City Attorney must be an idiot not to stop their feel good legislation. If the decimal on Gauge is correct (0.22) gauge that would be what???
Gauge Diameter_________Weight of unalloyed (pure) lead ball
(Bore)(mm) or (in)__ _____grams____ounces____grains
0.25_67.34____2.651___1814.36 ___ 64.000__28,000
0.5__53.45____2.103____907.18____32.000__14,000
.75__46.70____1.838____604.80____21.336___9328
1___ 42.42____1.669____453.59____16.000___7000
1.5_ 37.05____1.459____302.39____10.667___4667
2___ 33.67____1.326____226.80____8.000____3500
3___ 29.41____1.158____151.20____5.333____2333
4___ 26.72____1.052____113.40____4.000____1750
5___ 24.80____.976 ____ 90.72____3.200____1400
6___ 23.35____.919 ____ 75.60____2.667____1166
7___ 22.18____.873 ____ 64.80 ____2.286____1000
8___ 21.21____.835 ____ 56.70 ____2.000____875
9___ 20.39____.803 ____ 50.40 ____1.778____778
10__ 19.69____.775 ____ 45.36 ____1.600____700
11__ 19.07____.751 ____ 41.24 ____1.454____636
12__ 18.53____.729 ____ 37.80 ____1.333____583
13__ 18.04____.710 ____ 34.89 ____1.231____538
14__ 17.60____.693 ____ 32.40 ____1.143____500
15__ 17.21____.677 ____ 30.24 ____1.067____467
16__ 16.83____.663 ____ 28.35 ____1.000____438
17__ 16.50____.650 ____ 26.68 ____0.941____412
18__ 16.19____.637 ____ 25.20 ____0.889____389
20__ 15.63____.615 ____ 22.68 ____0.800____350
22__ 15.13____.596 ____ 20.62 ____0.728____319
24__ 14.70____.579 ____ 18.90 ____0.667____292
26__ 14.31____.564 ____ 17.44 ____0.615____269
28__ 13.97____.550 ____ 16.20 ____0.571____250
32__ 13.36____.526 ____ 14.17 ____0.500____219
36__ 12.85____.506 ____ 12.59 ____0.444____194
40__ 12.40____.488 ____ 11.34 ____0.400____175
67.6-10.41____.410 _____ 6.71 ____0.237____104
So my meager guessing skills makes it about 2 3/4 inch diameter barrel !