New from Pedersoli - 1886 with 26" barrel!

[Bad Ass Wallace]

Listed as "new" for 2016 the 71/86 Pedersoli lever with full length magazine. I want one!

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[500MAG]

That looks very nice.

[osteodoc08]

Retail pricing?

[MrWolf]

She looks nice. Full length magazine fits that nicely. I have my Marlin 45/70 and really love that rifle.

[Bad Ass Wallace]

She looks nice. Full length magazine fits that nicely. I have my Marlin 45/70 and really love that rifle.
The Marlin suffers from limited cartridge OAL where as this rifle will load a Lyman 535gn Postel boolit (457132) through the action and stabilise in its 1:18" twist barrel.

[wrench man]

Retail pricing?

I gave $1250 for my Pedersoli 1886/71, and I shopped around!, this one has an octagon barrel and with inflation it wouldn't surprise me if it's close to $1500?

[TXGunNut]

I think I could make room for one.

[Spruce]

That would make you a very nice, new truck gun.

[Bad Ass Wallace]

I gave $1250 for my Pedersoli 1886/71, and I shopped around!, this one has an octagon barrel and with inflation it wouldn't surprise me if it's close to $1500?
The local importer here in Oz is quoting $AU2400 ($US1775)

Still would be yummy for Pat Garret matches! I already have a Pedersoli 44/40 Lightning and Ped 38/55 Hiwall. Going to need a bigger saddle scabbard!

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[big bore 99]

Beautiful rifle, but just don't like the pistol grip. Like a straight stock much more.

[smokeywolf]

Very nice looking. I like that they didn't get carried away with the case colors. Now, how about XXX wood, set trigger, tang sight on the rear and a globe or Beech sight on the front. And, a takedown model in 45-90.

[Fishman]

Holy **** that looks nice. Thanks for sharing the news.

[McLintock]

If it shoots as well as the Browning '86's, made in Japan, it'll be a good rifle. Wonder if it has the safety like on the new Winchesters, also made in Japan, the Browning didn't have those, so you could mount a tang sight just like the originals.
McLintock

[flint45]

nice rifle i would like to have one of those.

[osteodoc08]

All of the Pedersoli 86/71 I've seen have been true to original as far as safeties go. I'd imagine this one is the same. No modern safeties or rebounding hammers.

The Brownings made by Miroku are fabulous.

[Bad Ass Wallace]

Ordered a new one from the importer complete with Creedmoor windage adjustable tang sight! :Fire:

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[smokeywolf]

Bad *** Wallace, I am indeed envious.

[6pt-sika]

Just saw one on Gunbroker NIB guy has a starting bid of $1699 on it ��

[JFE]

Nice one, BAW. They do look good.

[Chill Wills]

BAW Is that you in the picture?

I'm glad Pedersoli is making them! The sales picture looks good and Pedersoli does make a good product (for the most part). The cost of real 1886 Winchesters is getting so high, even for beaters, that being able to get into a new made replica this nice and well made at that price, really lets a lot more people have a chance at owning and shooting one.

I love the 1886 but I will say, it is a lot to lug around the Colorado high country chasing Elk.

[smokeywolf]

Being that you're not likely to acquire an original model '86 deluxe, in decent shape for much less than $4K, a good quality modern repro is not such a bad deal at $1,700.

[Bad Ass Wallace]

BAW Is that you in the picture?

:Fire: Yep, have two horses, just love dress ups and the occasional ride!

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[smokeywolf]

BAW, that's a well fed horse and not too flabby either; gets some exercise. I appreciate the pics of horses almost as much as the gun porn.

[Rifle 57]

That is a great looking gun from Pedersoli and yes a great looking horse also BAW.

[Bad Ass Wallace]

I picked it up from the dealer yesterday First impressions - WOW, WOW, WOW! http://www.australianhunting.net/Smileys/ahn/boogie.gif

Weighing almost 10 lbs this is a massive and solid firearm. Fitting and finish is second to none including the beautiful color case hardening to the action. Trigger breaks cleanly at about 3 1/2 lbs, checkering is deep and perfect with no runover. After cleaning the bore it was found to be mirror finished obviously lots of care and attention by the factory workers.

As is my normal practice, I want to shoot only cast lead through this barrel and I found that it woulds feed and cycle with 520gn bullets. I'm going to start with some smokeless loads using a tried and trusted 425gn Henley & Gibbs mould that casts 0.460". This bullet has proven extremely accurate in all my other 45/70's

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[2ndAmendmentNut]

That is pretty! How do the Pedersolis compare to the original 1886 design? Any crossbolt or tang safety? Any silly rebounding hammer? I have a Japanese/Browning 1886 carbine that was made in the 90s. I really like my Browning and have been hunting for a 26" rifle variant. Might have to opt for a Pedersoli if they kept it true to the original JM Browning design. I also prefer the look and feel of the pistol grip and flat 71 style recoil pad.

[2ndAmendmentNut]

One other question. Is the tang already drilled and tapped for a peep sight?

[Bigslug]

Very curious to see how it does for you BAW, as the short-barrel, short mag 71 style .45-70 is starting to pry open a space in my brain.

Curious if they tapped it for a side Williams receiver sight.

[Bad Ass Wallace]

The tang is not drilled and tapped but the side of the action is ready to mount the Lyman 66WB sight. With my 60+ eyes I need this as I can't focus on the rear at all!

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[bitterbeer]

Just received my Pedersoli 1886. I was going to try and add a Marble sight but the one recommended just didn't fit, and I would need to drill and tap a hole, maybe 2 if the tang screw couldn't be used. Anyway ... How do you like the Lyman sight? Did it fit without any extra drill and tapping?

[quail4jake]

Beautiful!...now a Marlin 1895 in that same configuration?

[bigbore52]

Just my two bobs worth ....

The Pedersoli 1886 Browning version in 45/70 is one very accurate rifle indeed- my experience it works well with factory ammo or your own cast loads with BP or NC........doesn't seem to suffer any fouling at all

I don't believe it needs a peep fitted (IMHO) as would be difficult given the top ejection and the quick focus needed on moving game. As is, the rifle comes with the standard buck horn type RS and that is quite serviceable but they are not my preferred sights all the same.

It's not meant to be a tack driver for the range.

The attached photo shows just how capable the rifle is and can I add, the larger capacity magazine add a certain degree of comfort should extra rounds be needed.

Granted fully loaded it's not the light hunting rifle some would expect but bear in mind the design is very old, utilitarian in nature, easy to use and clean, rises and points well, is adequate for any game, can handle a variety of different loads but most importantly wasn't meant to be a safe queen.....I reckon they nailed it 100+ years back and don't believe there's a need to tart them up - they work just fine and best of all do look rather good in any collection too :bigsmyl2:

[rondog]

Aw, son-of-a..... What a gorgeous rifle! I'm really turning into a levergun freak. I may have to change my collection around. I love my milsurps, but they're just not as cool as leverguns.

[BigEyeBob]

I can vouch for this rifle , my friend and I have just come back from a buff hunt , and the rifle is a pearler . Took two good sizer water buffalo .
One thing is its a heavy rifle to carry in the tropical heat , with no provision for a sling makes a hard day hunting . I did slice the side of my left thumb open on the front edge of the loading gate trying to load it in haste .
Other than that I love it .

[BigEyeBob]

I picked it up from the dealer yesterday First impressions - WOW, WOW, WOW! http://www.australianhunting.net/Smileys/ahn/boogie.gif

Weighing almost 10 lbs this is a massive and solid firearm. Fitting and finish is second to none including the beautiful color case hardening to the action. Trigger breaks cleanly at about 3 1/2 lbs, checkering is deep and perfect with no runover. After cleaning the bore it was found to be mirror finished obviously lots of care and attention by the factory workers.

As is my normal practice, I want to shoot only cast lead through this barrel and I found that it woulds feed and cycle with 520gn bullets. I'm going to start with some smokeless loads using a tried and trusted 425gn Henley & Gibbs mould that casts 0.460". This bullet has proven extremely accurate in all my other 45/70's

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Davide Pedersoli says they are fitted with match grade barrels.

[Bad Ass Wallace]

Davide Pedersoli says they are fitted with match grade barrels.

I've had a chance to do some measuring and it would confirm that the Pedersoli tapered bore (progressive depth rifling) has been used. Using a Hensley & Gibbs 425gn boolit which casts 0.460", I compared one placed into the muzzle to one loaded into a cast to engage the rifling. Under a 10x magnifier there is definately more rifling evident from the muzzle plug.

While comparisons will be forthcoming between the Ped, Browning and other copies, The Ped has the fastest twist at 1:18" compared to 1:20"for the other clones. Depth of rifling is also a factor for the Pedersoli. I've only examined one Browning and the rifling was nowhere as deep as I would like for shooting cast boolits!

[bigbore52]

BAW

As with most lever actions, the feed can be critical- not in terms of projectile weight or type but more so in terms of COAL

I found with some of my cast loads, it preferred a slightly longer coal than would fit in a Marlin or similar- in fact some would not load in my friends Marlin but easily accomodated in the Pedersoli

Equally i also used some factory pills from Hornady (DGX) and they proved devastating on large game but again they would not chamber in the Marlin

Not wishing to be disrepectful but i offer my experiencecas to how i found the best pill and load for what i was after - not accounting for powder or velocity as that's the next step which is not what i propose to comment on here

Make up a variety of different length cases based on same case brand and pill (don't fill with powder or primed) but before final seating (or crimping which i do for hunting, not plinking) then seat each one in slightly longer than the previous and measure the total COAL

Then feed each one through the action as you measure it recording as you go - at a certain length you'll start to have problems

The design of the feeder mechanism will allow greater flexibility on case length but you'll soon reach a point where they will not be picked up by the raiser to be fed into the chamber - they will catch on the bottom of the breech housing and be jammed tight against the spring loaded ram in the tube magazine so don't force it

A word of advice as my friend can attest, the spring loaded cover plate is quite strong (and sharp) so remove it for this exercise and you may also need to remove the magazine tube if a case gets stuck and you cant extract the case - again, don't force it as comes out easy enough

That will tell you the maximum length of cartridge you can use in your rifle so work back from that to see what size and weight of pill suits your set-up within the length limit you now have ie the best combination for length of case

Then you can start load development - the fun part

Youll be pleasantly surprised as to what length cases and pills you can feed into it

Good shooting

[bigbore52]

Forgot to add - i believe all Pedersoli barrels for that and similar rifles are made to match grade barrel metal which is much stronger than most barrels but drop them an email for confirmation if you like

[Bad Ass Wallace]

Thanks BB52,

I took delivery of my rifle and have loaded some test rounds, BUT then had a bad farm accident and fractured my neck in 2 places. That 8-10weeks waiting to heal with the Ped standing by is going to be hell!

[BigEyeBob]

Thanks BB52,

I took delivery of my rifle and have loaded some test rounds, BUT then had a bad farm accident and fractured my neck in 2 places. That 8-10weeks waiting to heal with the Ped standing by is going to be hell!



Whoa , bad luck there hope all goes well for you .I'm still suffering from the thumb injury from the 1886 loading gate ,I lost count how many times I've hit it and opened.
the wound .Healing up seems to take longer the older you get .
Kev.

[bigbore52]

What a bumma BAW - hope you get back on your feet real quick as there's heaps of ferals waiting out there for you to introduce them to your new 86 - all the best

[Bigslug]

Neck injury - that SUCKS!! Even more so that I'm not in OZ to help with your load development while you heal up.

Sooooo. . .let's review what we know so far:

1. Big enough action (POSSIBLY) for a Postell.
2. Match grade, cast-friendly, tapered bore that's twisted fast enough for that Postell
3. Tapped for a Lyman sight.
4. They made a real effort to make it look good.
5. Pictures of large, dead creatures felled by them.

Would somebody PLEASE say something negative before this gets expensive?:bigsmyl2:

[rondog]

Neck injury - that SUCKS!! Even more so that I'm not in OZ to help with your load development while you heal up.

Sooooo. . .let's review what we know so far:

1. Big enough action for a Postell.
2. Match grade, cast-friendly, tapered bore that's twisted fast enough for that Postell
3. Tapped for a Lyman sight.
4. They made a real effort to make it look good.
5. Pictures of large, dead creatures felled by them.

Would somebody PLEASE say something negative before this gets expensive?:bigsmyl2:

Umm, they're expensive.....that's a big negative in my little world.

[rondog]

Thanks BB52,

I took delivery of my rifle and have loaded some test rounds, BUT then had a bad farm accident and fractured my neck in 2 places. That 8-10weeks waiting to heal with the Ped standing by is going to be hell!

Oh man, I've had a broken neck too - take it easy for awhile!

[Bad Ass Wallace]

Could somebody PLEASE say something negative before this gets expensive?:bigsmyl2:

When I think of the Sharps and levers that I have bought over 40 years of shooting I can only say, cry once, enjoy for a lifetime! :razz:



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[smokeywolf]

Beautiful rifles BAW. Not being a fan of plastic used on guns, I have a great appreciation for your Sharps.

[Bigslug]

Umm, they're expensive.....that's a big negative in my little world.

It's a relativity thing. Compared to a Marlin, yes. Compared to an original '86, with a pitted bore, no sling studs, and no buttpad on a stock with the Crescent Buttplate of Masochists, pretty darn cheap.

[bigbore52]

Big Slug,

I'll have to check if the action can actually take a Postell (the weight is no issue - dependent upon cast composition) but the slightly longer ogive on the nose of that pill may mean that it would have to sit too deep into the case......that's my initial thoughts but as I use the Postell in loads other than my 45/70, have a few pills handy - next time I load up I will see and then get back to you.

But as with most pills, the composition will be a determinate factor in this if you decide to use NC over BP....I found NC will cause leading if they were less than 16BHN on top of a NC load....equally the ballistics and point of impact will be completely different but then that's the fun part

Additionally, some cases are shorter than others :not by much (aside from the Hornady) but it does effect coal so it will be trial and error to work up your loads......will let you know how they go

[bigted]

now that is a worthy rifle to save up for. down rite sexy if i do say so. i think i like the appearance better then the new winchesters. what i cool rifle. even heavy they should be a real treat to shoot and play with.

congrats boyz ... color me green for sure.

[Iowa Fox]

If you think about what the cheap junk sells for that not a bad price. I'd love to have one but being retired is for the birds money wise. I'm just glad I got a Marlin 1895 CB.