Making a Glock trigger better, how?

[6bg6ga]

I've always hated the Glock trigger. A lot of creep and then a tinny snap as it finally goes off. Been trying to read the ifs and how's of making the trigger better. Anyway I installed a different trigger connector I believe its called and it was supposed to make the trigger lighter. I installed a Ghost connector rated 3.5 lbs and I might have gained a single lb less of trigger pull. I polished all surfaces and parts with a dremmel and compound and it didn't help or marginally helped. I installed a spring kit a (competition spring kit) and achieved a trigger pull of about 3.75 lbs pull. Next step will be a 2.5lb trigger connector to get a trigger I can live with.

[Walkingwolf]

Is this a Glock for self defense?

[6bg6ga]

Is this a Glock for self defense?This Glock will be self defense and a target gun. When in self defense mode it will have the 3.5 connector and when in target mode I will pull out the 3.5 lb connector nd install a 2.5 lb connector. I will NOT carry it with a 2.5 lb connector but it is plenty safe with the 3.5 connector.

[6bg6ga]

I'm not going to wrap up say $350 to replace the whole trigger assembly because the gun just isn't accurate enough for me to justify the money. I have comp 1911's that will easily out shoot it.

[Walkingwolf]

I think you have answered your own question. A Glock is not a bullseye firearm, whether used for competition, or carry it is designed for carry.

IMO carrying a Glock with a light trigger is no different than carrying a 1911 condition 0(cocked safety off). The problem with light triggers is the human body reacts to stress by a clenching response which exerts wayyyy more than a few pounds of pressure in the grip of a hand. Even a slip, or fall can cause the body to grip the firearm with enough force that the finger will find it's way into the trigger guard.

But this is America, and we still have free choice, and personal responsibility. I have three Glocks, and I would not do a thing to the triggers on them. I grew up shooting revolvers, I have a Colt PP that is over 100 years old, and has a 16 pound trigger. Both my wife, and I can shoot it accurately double action. Single action it is as accurate as any tuned 1911, and the SA trigger is still heavier than 3.5 pounds.

[OS OK]

…^…+1…A modified trigger, a loud noise in the house late in the night...mix in a small can-o-addrenalin, a little fear and aggression on that and you'll think that Glock was shooting by itself. LEO's have had accidental discharges from this mix without any trigger mods.
Change it back and forth? How do you do that without a little help from Murphy when you least expect it?

Nah…leave her like she is…keep all the advantages leaning in your direction…OS OK

[dragon813gt]

Pay for a drop in or live w/ what you have. The 25 cent trigger job was enough for me. All it did was break in all the surfaces quicker. I don't expect a Glock to have a target trigger.

[Petrol & Powder]

Assuming you don't have one of the NY triggers in that Glock, the pull weight should be about 5.5 lbs. That's about as low as I would want to go on a carry gun with that trigger/safety system. The Glock is safe design and I'm truly tired of hearing all of the comparisons to the 1911; They Are Different Designs!

I was very ambivalent about Glocks for many years but I've warmed up to them. They are amazingly reliable and durable. As a combat pistol, the simplicity of the Glock may be its strongest attribute. While the trigger isn't really a single action or a double action, it can be mastered with practice. You'll be way ahead of the game if you devote time and money to practice instead of modifications.

[Walkingwolf]

Assuming you don't have one of the NY triggers in that Glock, the pull weight should be about 5.5 lbs. That's about as low as I would want to go on a carry gun with that trigger/safety system. The Glock is safe design and I'm truly tired of hearing all of the comparisons to the 1911; They Are Different Designs!

I was very ambivalent about Glocks for many years but I've warmed up to them. They are amazingly reliable and durable. As a combat pistol, the simplicity of the Glock may be its strongest attribute. While the trigger isn't really a single action or a double action, it can be mastered with practice. You'll be way ahead of the game if you devote time and money to practice instead of modifications.

While how the FP is activated is different, both a Glock, and a 1911 go bang when the trigger is pulled. A 1911 with the safety off will go bang when the trigger is pulled. A Glock goes bang when the trigger is pulled. It is not rocket surgery.

[seaboltm]

I played around with the trigger on my 23. Interchanged a few wrong combinations and next thing you know the thing was double and triple tapping. I put it back factory. Works great now! By the way I had the same problem with a used 1911 I bought years ago. The previous owner had the trigger components so light and tight it would sometimes double tap. Had to fix that too.

[FergusonTO35]

The only thing I do to the triggers on mine is the .25 cent trigger job and lots of practice. Also, your grip and trigger finger placement can totally make or break this gun for you. I do best when I pretend it's a double action revolver with a short trigger pull.

[Virginia John]

One simple thing to remember, these are plastic guns. Lube all plastic parts with graphite, not oil. It will help to smooth out some of those rough spots and polish everywhere metal touches metal. Those two items will make it smoother.

[6bg6ga]

I'm going to stick with what I have mentioned. My changes make it perfectly safe as a 3.5 lb trigger and carrying it. At 2.5 lbs I wouldn't carry it. If I considered it to be questionable in 30 seconds or less I can put back in the original connector. And no they are not the same as a 1911 not even close in the safety operation and or feel.

Its not going to go bang in my holster or in the act of drawing it from my holster. I am conditioned not to have my finger on the trigger until I am ready to shoot.

No matter how many thousands of rounds I put thru it I will never get used to the trigger after shooting 1911's with 3lb and less triggers.

[Petrol & Powder]

I didn't care for the trigger on the Glock when they first came out and for years I was ambivalent about the gun in general. Over time I learned more about the Glock and I eventually warmed up to them. I agree that the trigger is not like a crisp single action but frankly with practice it doesn't really matter in the realm of combat pistols. I can shoot a DAO revolver as quickly and as accurately as a Glock or a 1911 design. I don't see a Glock as a great target pistol but it's no slouch either. They're excellent combat pistols but they can also make decent groups despite the less than crisp trigger.

[FergusonTO35]

The 3.5 pound connector should be perfectly safe. Glock installs them from the factory in long slide models and will put them in police and military guns on request. It doesn't change the sear engagement, just has a bit more shallow slope to reduce the pull weight.

I actually do my best shooting with a smooth double action or fairly stiff single action that has a bit of overtravel. That's likely why I have always made the best groups with my S&W wheelguns and Marlin lever actions. The more I shoot Glocks the better I get with them. Honestly I have no desire for any gun with a light trigger. Given how bad my fine motor skills are it is just an accident waiting to happen.

[Beef15]

I have a 17 polished with a Ghost Pro 3.3, and another with a Zev, both have competition trigger springs.

No scale, but the Ghost is much lighter, and also eliminates the wall, just one light smooth pull to til bang, with overtravel at minimum reset is very short. With a lighter firing pin spring I would venture the pull is under 3lbs, but primers must be seated perfect and of the right make.

[Petrol & Powder]

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With a lighter firing pin spring I would venture the pull is under 3lbs, but primers must be seated perfect and of the right make.

Which would eliminate the major advantage of a Glock to start with.
I'll take the factory reliability over all of the mods, it's that rock solid reliability that forms the backbone of the Glock's attraction.

[Beef15]

Which would eliminate the major advantage of a Glock to start with.
I'll take the factory reliability over all of the mods, it's that rock solid reliability that forms the backbone of the Glock's attraction.
Which is why I mentioned it, it is an easy way to drop some pull weight, but comes at a price. With factory FP/striker spring it is just as reliable as a stock pistol.

[roysha]

Sell or give away the glock and buy a SIG.:evil:

[Geezer in NH]

All guns keep your bugger puller out of the freaking trigger guard!!

When you are definitely ,this is it, the time to shoot, then put your finger in the trigger guard.

Seriously pull amount don't make much difference on ad's when you follow that drill.

[Mica_Hiebert]

Ok... I'm gunna be that guy... trade it off on a springfield. :-)

[Petrol & Powder]

Ok... I'm gunna be that guy... trade it off on a springfield. :-)

/\ OK, even though this is obviously said a bit in jest /\........
I'll repeat what I've said many times before - If you're going to buy a polymer framed, striker-fired, high capacity, semi-auto pistol......BUY A GLOCK! Every thing else is just a more complicated Glock knock-off.

[6bg6ga]

Want to talk reliability? Put 500 rounds thru it without an incident and this is one setting. I really wonder how many of you actually have a Glock, had a Glock, or have even shot a Glock. It would take a major malfunction to have the gun go off with a round in the chamber or in the act of getting it out of the holster. As I mentioned my finger never touches the trigger until I'm ready to fire it. If you have to worry about possibly contacting the trigger then its time for a different sport in my opinion. Keep in mind I still have the stock connector that I can put back in if desired. One must also remember that the trigger must be depressed slightly before it is ready to fire and that spring load has not changed a bit. No one even mentioned that fact that if you draw your gun your probably going to use it if not don't even consider drawing it. As for the trigger pull again...... with the comp spring kit and a 3.5 connector it measures 3.5 lbs. With a stock set of springs and a 3.5 lb connector it measures 4.5 lbs. So it would seem some here like to post without any idea as to the accuracy of their post.

[6bg6ga]

AS for other Polymer based guns.... If I were in the market for a better 9mm I would purchase a Styer 9mm. The wife has one and its more accurate, fits the hand better and has better sights. It was designed by a Glock engineer by the way so somebody found a way to make a better mouse trap. She bought it new for $499.00 I keep the 23 simply because I have a 9mm lone Wolf barrel for it as well as the 40 cal barrel. AS for the Springfields, XD's Sigs and such ....keep them.

[Walkingwolf]

All guns keep your bugger puller out of the freaking trigger guard!!

When you are definitely ,this is it, the time to shoot, then put your finger in the trigger guard.

Seriously pull amount don't make much difference on ad's when you follow that drill.

Except there are motor responses that are uncontrollable that will put a finger in the trigger, such as falling, stumbling. We have seen over and over again guns going off because people get a piece of clothing in the trigger guard also. A problem that did not happen that often with revolvers. Revolvers also have no active safety, just a healthy trigger pull.

This is a free country, hopefully stays that way. Personal choice, and responsibility are the corner stones of liberty. It also allows those who follow marketing to be led into a false sense of safety by the manufacturer. Some people actually believe that the Glock safeties make a Glock magically safe, so they can disregard all common sense. DC police saw a significant higher amount of ND's when they switched from a revolver to a Glock. I doubt the officers just decided it was time to be stupid, and the Glock was only a coincidence.

Honestly I am not trying to insult anyone, but Glock turned shooters into a bunch of trigger pull pansies. It's all about the trigger pull, without any thought for safety.

[Walkingwolf]

I will add this from Wiki but will provide a link to PDF if a longer version is desired. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_reliability

Human reliability is related to the field of human factors and ergonomics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_factors_and_ergonomics), and refers to the reliability (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/reliability) of humans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human) in fields such as manufacturing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing), transportation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport), the military (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military), or medicine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine). Human performance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performance) can be affected by many factors such as age (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senescence), state of mind, physical health (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health), attitude (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attitude_%28psychology%29), emotions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion), propensity for certain common mistakes, errors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error) and cognitive biases (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias), etc.

Human reliability is very important due to the contributions of humans to the resilience (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resilience_%28network%29) of systems and to possible adverse consequences of human errors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_error) or oversights, especially when the human is a crucial part of the large socio-technical systems (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socio-technical_systems) as is common today. User-centered design (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User-centered_design) and error-tolerant design (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error-tolerant_design) are just two of many terms used to describe efforts to make technology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology) better suited to operation by humans.

https://www.nifc.gov/fireInfo/fireInfo_documents/humanfactors_classAnly.pdf

IOW it is not responsible to tamper with an existing design that already has increased chances of human error. How many here have never been in a vehicle crash, consider the most common cause of crashes, human error by 90%.

http://www.alertdriving.com/home/fleet-alert-magazine/international/human-error-accounts-90-road-accidents

“More than 90 percent of road accidents are caused by human error. We, therefore, have to focus on people in our traffic safety programmes,” he stated at the opening day of the international symposium on ‘The Role of Media in Traffic Safety’ on Wednesday.

[Boolit_Head]

With the Ghost connector you should be able to get close to a 3.5 pound pull. I prefer the Rocket but it requires fitting. After that it stops any over travel. Most connectors do need some adjustment to get them right though. I can't seem to find the instructions now but there is a method of adjusting the distance out from the frame so a piece of paper slides out with just a little friction. Most of the time the connector is pinching the trigger bar against the frame with to much force causing a lot of friction.

I've got a 22 set up with a Rocket for USPSA Limited competition and a 17 Set up with the Evo for Open. Both are set up with about a 4 pound pull and solid as a rock. The big thing with Glock triggers is if you prefer a solid wall or a rolling trigger break. I tend to prefer the Rocket so at some time I will probably get another for my Open gun.


This this page mentions adjusting lift and the fit of the connector. They are not just drop in.

http://www.ghostinc.com/category/40_istallationinstructions/


Although there are naysayers the Glock trigger can be made smooth and easier to control once you understand them and make some adjustments. I've had better luck and more reliability with them than my 1911 triggers.

[dragon813gt]

There are plenty of videos of NDs w/ Glocks. Most of them happen when holstering the pistol, not drawing. I'm in the camp of practice, practice, practice. I own a lot of handguns and the trigger pull is different on every one of them. No chance in making them all the same so I practice over and over w/ them.

The biggest hurdle for me is learning where the reset is. Glock got it correct and it's very short. When switching to a CZ, w/ a short reset trigger, it's amazing how much longer the reset is. It's tough to switch back and forth between pistols and shoot them equally well.

[FergusonTO35]

On the topic of Glock vs. everyone else, I'm currently saving for a new Browning Hi-Power. Until then I'll be well protected by my 19, 26, and 42.

[garym1a2]

I used a Gen 3 Glock22 for USPSA for about 3 years and over 12K rounds. My loads where minor power facture(wimpy). I had the ghost 3.5lb connector, 1lb heavier trigger return spring and a SS captive return spring. Trigger was decent for matches but the trigger return spring broke in a match, this takes down the gun. My G21SF has 3.5lb connector, tripper return spring and recoil spring done. The return spring broke on me taking down the gun. It had less than 5k rounds. For my G19 I only changed the connector and got a good set of nights. I do not trust aftermarket springs for CCW or home defense.

[W.R.Buchanan]

6bg6ba: I have been down this very road with my Glocks for the last 15+ years. I have done and tried most of the things you hear about to these triggers and in every case they have either worn out prematurely or failed.

The Glock trigger parts, the trigger bar, connector and striker are all Electroless Nickel plated and baked. This makes the surface very hard like 78 Rc, but the surface is only .0002-3 thick. Any polishing on it only reduces the amount of life in it.

I first tried a 3.5 connector that came with my G35. It only induced mashing on the trigger pull which throws your shots low left.
I then polished everything which took off too much plating resulting in a trigger life of about 200 rounds.

I then installed a new trigger with a Brownells Spring kit. Result: unreliable ignition and numerous malfunctions.

I then replaced both triggers in my G35 and G21SF with stock 5.5 lb connectors and striker springs and new trigger bars and have not had a problem since.

The one thing I do still do is trim the safety bar down until it is just slightly above the surface of the trigger face so it doesn't wear a hole in my finger.

The Glock trigger can be learned,,, and that's what has to happen to be successful shooting Glocks. It is not a 1911 and never will be because the mechinism is just too different. It works more like a Sling Shot than a gun trigger.

However it is very learnable, and very usable, when considering the intended use of he gun.

There is take up and then Slack (creep) where the trigger bar moves down the face of the connector until just before the sear slips off the striker tooth. That point is known as Slack Plus and any increase in pressure at that point will fire the gun. (Surprise Break.)

Then trapping the trigger to the rear and slowly releasing it until the disconnector resets which places you back at just before Slack Plus ready for the follow up shot.

All I can tell you is 15 years of combined Class shooting and IDPA shooting has proven to me that the Stock Glock Trigger with a 5.5 lb connector is the way to go.

Take the slide off the gun and watch how the whole thing works, and you'll see that there is virtually no real way to improve it any significant amount. That "no significant amount" part, is why stock is best. They take about 200-300 rounds to properly break in. They are what they are, and what they are aren't that bad.

Randy

[Tom W.]

I had three, but am now down to one. The 19 is fine for me out of the box, the 30 never did do well. The 17 was nice and shot like a laser, but I sold it to a buddy of mine. Never did anything much except changed the sights on the 30....

[6bg6ga]

I guess I should ask myself this.... do I expect the modified trigger ( other than stock parts to last 15K rounds?) No, I don't. I don't care if I only get 3K out of it as the parts are cheap. I can't help myself here so I have to say something..... When and if the time rolls around whereas I am unable to holster my gun without touching it off I'll give it away. To each his own here...everyone seems to think they are experts so I will go with my own gut. I will keep the perfectly safe 3.5 trigger which I am able to shoot rather well with. I won't put up with a stock trigger with a 1911 so I'm not going to put up with a stock trigger on a Glock. My personal choice.

[Walkingwolf]

Why ask a question when you may be offended by the answer. If you know what you want just do it.

[Petrol & Powder]

W.R.Buchanan wrote:
"............All I can tell you is 15 years of combined Class shooting and IDPA shooting has proven to me that the Stock Glock Trigger with a 5.5 lb connector is the way to go........"

/\ Thank You and I couldn't agree more /\
The temptation to attempt to improve upon the factory is there but not seldom borne out in application.

[FergusonTO35]

Respectfully, I see no harm in shining up your trigger components with metal polish. I use Mothers Mag Wheel Polish. It really smooths things out and doesn't change any angles.

[dragon813gt]

Respectfully, I see no harm in shining up your trigger components with metal polish. I use Mothers Mag Wheel Polish. It really smooths things out and doesn't change any angles.

I agree and it's what I used. But I did it by hand. People like to use a Dremel to do the job which can remove to much metal. Funny thing is that it takes very little time to polish it by hand.

[Rustyleee]

I was a LEO back in the 70's when we all carried revolvers and I've been a revolver guy ever since. My son bought a G21 because he thought it was THE thing. I shot it at 15 yards and put every round in the black in a nice little group the first time I ever shot it. I didn't understand the way it worked but I went with it.
A few years later now Jr is a LEO. He carries a G23 every day at work. After working with them and getting over the unknowing part I now feel comfortable with them and have a G26 and a G19 of my own. I switched mainly to increase my round count from what a revolver could carry.
I figure the engineers that know a lot more than I do. I work with the platform I have and learn to work within it. The Glock is a fascinating piece of equipment IMHO.

[W.R.Buchanan]

There is a really good reason why Glocks are used by more Police Agencies in the world than all others combined. They are simplest Weapons System to teach to the broadest group of people there is.

If I was elected President The Armed Forces would be dumping Berettas and adopting Glocks that were made in the USA.

The men would be shooting G41's and G21SF's and the Women would be shooting G17's and G19's, if they couldn't handle the .45's on a case by case basis. Anyone who can get his or her hands around a Beretta Grip can shoot a Glock .45. I shoot mine better than my G35.

Our military was forced by Political BS to adopt the 9mm cartridge and get rid of the 1911 some time back and the reintroduction of the .45 ACP needs to happen as it is simply a more effective round. The Glock .45's have 12 round mags standard, so there is a reason to choose them over the standard 1911's. and they are also cheaper and simpler to operate.

I would also have a good look at the training everyone who carried one, Which would be everyone in a Combat Zone and most everyone in non Combat Zones. A Solider that is not armed is nothing more than a person in a uniform doing a job any civilian could do. No more people getting shot because nobody has a gun but the bad guys. The term "Armed Forces" should mean "Armed all the time." Cops learn to carry a gun everyday and not be stupid with it, our armed forces need the same discipline!

Anyway that's what I'm doing after elected. YMMV!

Randy

[6bg6ga]

Respectfully, I see no harm in shining up your trigger components with metal polish. I use Mothers Mag Wheel Polish. It really smooths things out and doesn't change any angles.

Using a buffing wheel with compound isn't going to remove enough metal to harm anything period. If you don't believe me measure the trigger connector with a micrometer and them polish it and re-measure it.

[6bg6ga]

Several thing here.. if I were to be in a match I would be using one of my 1911's and not a Glock. My experience with people I know that have tried to modify Glock triggers and have tried to change angles, and grind on different parts has always resulted in the stories mentioned in this thread. Like I mentioned I'm not after 15K rounds and expect the cheap parts in a Glock to wear out. I have no problem generally putting EVERY shot into the 9 and 10 ring with a stock Glock but what I am after is trying to put every shot in the 10 ring. So, I would say I know how to hold and manage the Glock. I had a 10mm which was some recoil and still managed a good group. Those that think a stock trigger is the way to go when one wishes just a bit more accuracy are entitled to their opinion and they can keep it to themselves (my opinion here). By their thinking a stock 1911 is good enough with its stock trigger and I would say there would be a multitude of people that would be upset with their logic. So far I have read stories about the possibility of a Glock going off when holstered and going off when being drawn from a holster and I again say keep your damn finger where is belongs until ready to shoot. I would like to see some actual proof in writing that states that a Glock isn't safe to have holstered and carried and that it will fire if dropped on the floor and then I will listen.

[6bg6ga]

Part of the reason to adopt a 9mm was the availability of NATO ammo if and when it hits the fan so to speak, and the wimps today that cannot manage the recoil of a 45acp.

With respect to polishing....there is no need to get excessive with it and if you have taken the plating down to where its thickness is 1/2 or less then you have taken quite a bit from the life of the part. It would have been nice if the parts had been polished prior to plating but that would have been too much to ask.

[dkf]

Believe me some people can really screw up parts quickly with a buffing wheel and some compound. All depends on the nut doing the polishing, machine being used, buff, compound etc. Rounding corners is the biggest thing one must watch out for.

All my Glocks have the $.25 trigger job done by myself. I found it doesn't take long with a rag, some mild metal polish and a little elbow grease so I do it that way. I have not seen much improvment really with a Glock 3.5 connector and the trigger seemed to be a little mushier and not that much lighter. Just a connector and a light polish only gets you so far with Glock triggers. Hopefully I can find a G24 at a decent price or at least a slide soon, I'd like to go more in depth on the trigger with that as I carry all my other Glocks.

[FergusonTO35]

I would also have a good look at the training everyone who carried one, Which would be everyone in a Combat Zone and most everyone in non Combat Zones. A Solider that is not armed is nothing more than a person in a uniform doing a job any civilian could do. No more people getting shot because nobody has a gun but the bad guys. The term "Armed Forces" should mean "Armed all the time." Cops learn to carry a gun everyday and not be stupid with it, our armed forces need the same discipline!

Anyway that's what I'm doing after elected. YMMV!

Randy

Agree wholeheartedly. My understanding is that the military can be very anti-RKBA, ironically enough. LE agencies too.

[W.R.Buchanan]

The Electro-Less Nickel plating on the Glock parts is only about .0002-.0003. This is exhibited by the fact that the finish is not shiny like Chrome which only comes up when the plating achieves .0005 or more thickness.

The problem with polishing is that the issues you are trying to fix are not in the plating itself but the material below the plating. IE; there is nothing really there to polish.

Polishing the trigger bar, the connector and the striker and then sending them out for .0005 of plating and baking would fix these issues. But nobody does that as it would cost you $100 for the process.

The most common practice is to buff with Flitz and a felt bob on a Dremel tool which usually results in too much material being taken off. It takes about 2 seconds of buffing to do this.

Another little fine point is taking the Firing Pin Safety Plunger and increasing the radius on the exposed face which softens the relationship between it and the cam on the trigger bar resulting is smoother trigger pull it is also Plated and Baked. Nobody even knows about this.

The process of Electro-Less Nickel Plating and then Baking is well known in Industrial Circles my involvement has been plating Seal Runners for Oil Well Pumps. Without the plating these wear out in a week. With the plating and subsequent hardening by baking they last for 6 months +. The plating achieves about 78 Rc after baking and sand is not even close in hardness.

This same process is used on the Glock trigger parts. The main difference being the thickness of the plating. The Glock parts are usually good for around 5000 rounds. And since they don't cost that much they can be replaced easily and cheaply. If they had .002 thickness (@ten times what they've got) The parts would last for the life of the gun or essentially,,, indefinitely. But Glock would miss out on selling replacement parts. Which I doubt they care much about anyway. But that much plating would increase the cost of that operation Tenfold as Nickel Plating is charged by the Thickness and Sq.In. You have to pay for the Nickel and it's not cheap.

I personally am done buying new Glocks, Unless I break down and buy a G41. J&G Sales In Prescott AZ routinely has used Police Trade Ins for $350-$450 and I can rebuild one of those guns in 15 minutes for less than $25,,, if it is needed in the first place. I would spend more time just detailing the gun and knocking off all the sharp edges.

On the Connector the only difference between any of them is the angle of the little tab that the trigger bar engages. The steeper the angle the heavier the trigger pull. Also the steeper the angle the less travel there is between Slack and Slack Plus and Let Off. Conversely there is also less travel to Reset. There are essentially two versions of the connector out there the 3.5lb. which is standard on the G34 and 35 and the 5.5lb. which is on all the rest. There are also 9.5? and 11 lb. Triggers for New York and other weird places that don't train their cops enough, but these are not done by way of the connector but have additional springs. One is Orange and the other is Yellow. I have never seen these in person.

I live near ZEV formerly Glock Works. I have handled a lot of their guns. They do nice work, however for the money they charge their guns do not work any significant amount better than stock guns. Their triggers are a little better, but they still aren't 1911 triggers, they do some nice things to the slides like forward serrations and nice sights, but these things are not cheap and they only add a minimum of functionality to the guns. Their stippling to grips are OK for some, I personally don't care for it and it only grinds the skin off my hands during intense usage, and I have no problem with the stock 3rd Gen Grips. 4th Gen are even too coarse for me.

My whole take in these guns is they are arguably the best combat pistols ever made. And used in that context there is little that can be done to "SIGNIFICANTLY" improve them. I am a big fan of Dawson Sights, and I install a JP Enterprises Extended Mag Release on my guns so they essentially all are set up the same.

One big change that I have recently made to my G35 is the installation of a Burris Fast Fire III Red Dot Sight. I haven't gotten to shoot this enough to become proficient yet but I see it as a short learning curve as I already have the rest of the gun figured out.

If you look at the current Glock Line up they have a strong emphasis on Optical Sights, and their current catalog has many models which have been adapted to these. They obviously see this as the next wave in handgun development. It works on Rifles and it will work on Pistols just as well.

End of my .02

Randy

[lightload]

Would hard chrome plating resist wear more than does electroless nickel/baking process?

[6bg6ga]

Replaced the ejector housing last night and adjusted it. This made a difference. Also slightly sprung the trigger connector(3.5Ghost) away from the ejector housing and this seemed to lighten the trigger pull. The trigger feels like I can deal with it now. Its not 1911 grade but will do for what it is.

[ioon44]

The best way I found to deal with the Glock trigger's is to trade them off for Walther PPQ's

[6bg6ga]

I don't see how that comment belongs here but I will bite. Walther? No, not hardly. As I mentioned I have a number of 1911's and that is my accurate gun of choice. Glock in my opinion is good to carry. If you happen to drop it in the street and run over it with a car or truck it will still fire. Drop it in the mud and then shoot it. Put it in a bucket of oil shake it and shoot it. That is my only reason for even owning one that and my son wouldn't quit hounding me to buy one to carry.

[ioon44]

Yes I agree with you, my 1911's the accurate gun of choice. I have shot Glocks for several years and done most every thing to them listed in this thread and never was happy with results.
The Walther PPQ suited me a lot better as there accuracy is closer to the 1911.

[dragon813gt]

So you have no experience w/ Walther but talking bad about them. Same as not listening to the suggestions given in this thread. Kind of ironic that you are touting how the Glock can go through hell and back and still work. Yet you are messing w/ the trigger which can cause it not to work.

Walther striker fired pistols have much better triggers than Glocks. They are almost Glock simple in construction as well. I've carried a PPS since they came out. And I own a PPQ. The triggers are a lot better.

[6bg6ga]

So you have no experience w/ Walther but talking bad about them. Same as not listening to the suggestions given in this thread. Kind of ironic that you are touting how the Glock can go through hell and back and still work. Yet you are messing w/ the trigger which can cause it not to work. Walther striker fired pistols have much better triggers than Glocks. They are almost Glock simple in construction as well. I've carried a PPS since they came out. And I own a PPQ. The triggers are a lot better.
So you have no experience w/ Walther but talking bad about them. Same as not listening to the suggestions given in this thread. Kind of ironic that you are touting how the Glock can go through hell and back and still work. Yet you are messing w/ the trigger which can cause it not to work. Walther striker fired pistols have much better triggers than Glocks. They are almost Glock simple in construction as well. I've carried a PPS since they came out. And I own a PPQ. The triggers are a lot better.Actually I have played with Walthers and I still don't like them. Same as not listening to the suggestions in the thread? Well, first of all I don't buy all of what has been said. One can polish the parts without taking away too much of the plating. I have 20 years in a factory as a machinist and quality control. I know how to polish. As for the Glock's being able to go thru hell and back I stated published facts which you can check. I am messing with a twigger which can cause it not to work? I have 40+ years playing with guns and I know my way around a good share of them and if I wish to play with a trigger it will work when I am done and I will have something better than what came out of the factory. Yes, this thread has been a victim of people that may or may not have enough experience and talent to obtain optimum results. What I have done so far has resulted in a trigger that functions without the overtravel of the stock trigger and has resulted in less pull required to set it off. If and when a part fails I will simply replace it with another. As for the horror stories....first of all I don't shoot competition with a Glock as its pointless there are far better guns out there for that. I started this thread for the average person that just wanted to make their Glock a little more liveable and have been met with a majority of negative comments and very little positive. I will say that if a person has any talent they should be able to change several parts, do a little lite deburring ( by hand if you wish) and have a gun better than what came from the factory and still be reliable. I will also say that I keep the stock springs and parts I changed in my gun bag so I don't see a problem. Why not make an effort to respond positively in this thread so others might be helped instead of simply saying that if you change anything on a Glock it won't work?

[FergusonTO35]

Biggest thing I like about Glock is I can go to Midway, Fleabay, Gunbroker, or thousands of other places and get anything I want or need for it at a reasonable price. OEM or aftermarket. Not many guns you can say that about.

[lightload]

I know my mechanical/gunsmithing limitations. For my purposes I arrive at acceptable Glock triggers by swapping out trigger bars until I reach my goal. Then I lightly hand polish with Flitz on a cloth. I keep everything stock. My claim to fame in younger days was double action revolver shooting. I have large, strong hands. Glocks fit me and work well for self defense. They also scare me so I'm double dog cautious with condition 1.

We have professional machinists/tool makers here with the skill to do much more advanced work on any handgun. I respect their knowledge and readily admit that if I tried to do the same, I'd probably ruin my gun. I confess that I have three Dremel tools and learned the hard way not to use them on my firearms.

[FergusonTO35]

Power tools never cross path with my guns. There is nothing on them that should require them.

[lonewolf5347]

I just pick up the glock 19 g2 n.y. trigger #2 red plastic ad on 12 lbs trigger pull.
I did a simple swap to the glock trigger spring polished all internal and came up with a 5.5 trigger pull using the stock connector.
I had on order the glock minus 3.5 connector and it did drop the trigger pull to 3.5 lbs great for IDPA @ steel plates.
I also run a sr9 in IDPA again some mods make to the gun also breaks at 3.75 lbs I think the sr9 beats the glock trigger on take up before the break.

[MtGun44]

Follow the logical path of evolution if you want a really good trigger.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=127516&d=1421305697

Bill