Anbody using a NOE 9mm Gas Checked?

[marlin39a]

Looking at buying the 358124 TC or the 358135 FN. Both in the gas check version. I know it's extra work, but retirement allows more time. Looking for high velocity. Any users of either can advise me?

[tazman]

I use the NOE 358-135-FN. It is my most accurate boolit in 9mm. I use it both in 9mm and 38 special. I have shot thousands of these with great results.
I have one of those in 5 cavity plain base and one in gas check with hollow point. I cast the gas check hp with softer alloy. Both work well for their purposes.
I shoot more of the plain base than the gas check version. I size to .358 for both 9mm and 38 special.
I seat them so about .040 of the front driving band shows above the brass. I have yet to have one fail to feed. I load it with CFE pistol and get about 1050 fps.

[Yodogsandman]

tazman, is the NOE 358-135 FN PB as accurate as the GC design?

[jmort]

Ranch Dog designed it to be a GC bullet. His stated reasoning, and I agree, is that 9mm is that a 9mm is 30k psi, or more, and a GC makes sense. Most say 40k psi is where you need a GC. I load my 9mm as hot as possible. Case volume keeps me lower than I would like with most powders. I don't like compressed loads, but I would be at +P or +P+ on everything if I could, and at that point you are around 35k psi.

[marlin39a]

Thanks to those that responded. I like the design of both boolits, but find the 358124 holds twice as much lube. I have a PM to Nocturnal stumblebutt about his post on the NOE 358-124 TC GC from March 2015. I want to push my 9mm to the max.

[tazman]

tazman, is the NOE 358-135 FN PB as accurate as the GC design?

Yes. I can tell no difference between them. The only reason I use the gas check is because I cast the hollow points soft.
I have never gotten leading from them with any gun I have used them in.

[HiVelocity]

All my 9mm molds are plain based, I add plain based gas checks to them both. I have the best of both worlds, IMHO.

I use all of the lubing/sizing methods; tumbling, lubrisizer, and powder coat too.

HV

[gwpercle]

For Christmas I got a 4 cavity NOE 358 - 124 - TC GC , I got the gas check design because I wanted to stretch my COWW metal with pure lead . A 50/50 mix , with a gas check at 1,000 fps gets a no lead in the barrel load. I really like the improved design of the NOE bullet and plan to give it a try in my 357 magnum Ruger Blackhawk.
I have box full of gas checks , so that's not a problem. I like it a lot !
Gary

[tazman]

For Christmas I got a 4 cavity NOE 358 - 124 - TC GC , I got the gas check design because I wanted to stretch my COWW metal with pure lead . A 50/50 mix , with a gas check at 1,000 fps gets a no lead in the barrel load. I really like the improved design of the NOE bullet and plan to give it a try in my 357 magnum Ruger Blackhawk.
I have box full of gas checks , so that's not a problem. I like it a lot !
Gary
I have been looking at that boolit. Since my 135 fn works so well, I am having trouble convincing myself I need it.

[gwpercle]

I have been looking at that boolit. Since my 135 fn works so well, I am having trouble convincing myself I need it.
Life's short tazman....get it.
The 124 grainer will allow you to get more boolits per pound....yeah, that's the ticket!
Or... the gas check will allow hotter loads . Use my excuse...softer alloy to conserve COWW's .
Or...I need something to use up all the gas checks I have !

It's a nicely designed boolit .
Gary

[yondering]

Ranch Dog designed it to be a GC bullet. His stated reasoning, and I agree, is that 9mm is that a 9mm is 30k psi, or more, and a GC makes sense. Most say 40k psi is where you need a GC. I load my 9mm as hot as possible. Case volume keeps me lower than I would like with most powders. I don't like compressed loads, but I would be at +P or +P+ on everything if I could, and at that point you are around 35k psi.

I agree with that reasoning; it matches my experience with 9mm anyway. I was using plain base checks on my 9mm molds, and even experimented with forming gas check shanks using Forster case trimmer collets. Those things worked well, but were unnecessary once I started powder coating. My 9mm loads are mostly +P or +P+ stuff in the 1400-1450 fps range, and plain base powder coated bullets work perfectly for that, even with hot barrels and extended range sessions. Of course it's a lot better for keeping the lead and lube out of suppressors too.

I guess that's sort of a tangent to the OP's question, but maybe helpful info for his desired goal.

[marlin39a]

I just ordered the NOE 358-124 TC GC 3 cavity Aluminum mold and 1000 Gator checks. I hope to have this mold running this weekend. Thanks to those who weighed in. I'll update after I send some down range.

[gwpercle]

I just ordered the NOE 358-124 TC GC 3 cavity Aluminum mold and 1000 Gator checks. I hope to have this mold running this weekend. Thanks to those who weighed in. I'll update after I send some down range.

I got the 3 cavity also , being 65 and a ladle/pressure caster, the 4 cavity is a bit tiring to my hands and wrist....the 3 cavity is "just right". You can cast a surprising number with it, seem almost twice as many as a 2 cavity mould... now 3 cavities are my favorites.
You going to enjoy it...mine puts a smile on my face when I'm working with it !
Gary

[marlin39a]

Gary, what powder are you using with the 358-124 TC GC? Have you chronographed any of your loads?

[gwpercle]

Gary, what powder are you using with the 358-124 TC GC? Have you chronographed any of your loads?

So far I've tried Bullseye , 700X , Red Dot and Unique. Loads taken from Lyman CBHB #4. Loads were between the min. and max. loads listed , the min. loads caused some failures, so I worked up to the middle and got proper functioning and stopped there.
No chronograph.
Gary

[Boolseye]

I just picked up an RG2 in 357-135 with a gas check (ranch dog design).
Looking like my new favorite boolit. There's a big difference between the NOE 358-135 RF and the 357-135 RF (ranch dog). I have both, the latter in GC and the former in plain based.

[marlin39a]

I just got my NOE 358124 TC GC 3 cavity today. Cleaned, running through a couple of heat cycles. I will cast with it tomorrow. I love the way the mold looks and can't wait to drop some boolits!

[gwpercle]

I just got my NOE 358124 TC GC 3 cavity today. Cleaned, running through a couple of heat cycles. I will cast with it tomorrow. I love the way the mold looks and can't wait to drop some boolits!

Aren't they pretty when they're all clean and new....I almost hated to cast with it! A fine piece of modern art .
But I got over it and they cast better than they look.
This was my first experience with a mould that wasn't a Lee or Lyman... NOE's can get addictive fast , wish I had deeper pockets.
Gary

[marlin39a]

My 2nd NOE, not my last. I just ran about 500 through it. Not a cull in the bunch. I'll let them sit the weekend and start processing . So far , so good!

[GWM]

There's a big difference between the NOE 358-135 RF and the 357-135 RF (ranch dog). I have both, the latter in GC and the former in plain based.

There is the 358-135-FN and then there are the SC357-135-RF (Ranchdog) and TL357-135-RF (Ranchdog).
And there was also a 358-135-RF BB that is not available now.

[GWM]

I have the 358-135-FN and the SC357-135-RF, both of them in PB as well as GC.

I have had leading with the PB's. My P226 has a rather oversize throat, maybe that has something to do with it. Neither boolit is large enough to fill the throat. The GC's have fared better.

[marlin39a]

I loaded my 358-124-TC GC and went to the range. Sized .357. HP-38 4.5 grs. Seated 1.125. Taper crimp to drop in my Lyman gauge. Chrono average was 1050 fps. Barrel pulled and a wet patch cleaned it well. I shot this through a Ruger 9e. This load will be my favorite.

[Boolseye]

Not to quibble, GWM, but my 358-135 RF (rg4, 128 gr HP), isn't among those you mentioned. Trust me, I just looked it up in my previous orders :-). Non-bb.

[GWM]

Sure, but it isn't listed now (I don't see it anyway) so it must have been dropped?

[fivefang]

Tink: how deep does the boolit need to be seated, how much of a reduction of boiler room will I have to obtain "High Velozity?? if your chamber is throated to accept a 130or + gr. boolit?, the NOE rnfn/gc 130+ or Saeco#383 would be my choice

[Boolseye]

Yeah, maybe he just hasn't had a run of them in awhile. It was a pretty popular boolit...