old powder help Hercules hi vel no 2 reloading help

[badbob454]

i aquired 2 pounds of hercules hi vel no 2 powder and need help finding reloading info for 30-06 or 270 any help is good help
this is too old for internet search ha ha but is in very good shape ( the powder that is . ) is there any powder i can use as a guide for this burn rate?

thanks in advance

[Lon246]

I have a 1966 Herters Manual with .270 and '06 Hi Vel (no number follows) data.
If you want, give me the bullet weight and I'll type it.

[badbob454]

150 gr on the 270 and 185 gr on the 30-06 thanks

[400short]

150 gr on the 270 and 185 gr on the 30-06 thanks

Phil Sharpe's "Complete guide to handloading", 1949:
Page 362 for 270 win with 150 gr. Hi-Vel #2. Minimum is 25.0 gr. velocity is 1535 fps.
Middle is 35.0 gr. velocity is 2150 fps. pressure is 28.2K (CUP?)
Max is 45.4 gr. velocity is 2690 fps pressure is 55k

Page 378 for 30-06 with 180 gr. with Hi-Vel #2 Min. is 30.0 gr. velocity is 1825 fps
Mid. is 40.0 gr. velocity is 2400 fps Pressure is 34.8K
Max is 46.2 gr. velocity is 2755 fps Pressure is 51K

No 185 gr. weight published

General comments about this powder on Page 176 include:
Introduced in 1908, still made is '48. (Hercules)
initially developed for the '06.
Suitable in most bottle necked cartridges.
Claimed successful usage with GC lead bullets and gives some data.
Disputes claims by others that the powder is erosive to bores.

Now you know everything that I do.

Bill

[Wayne Smith]

Take Phil Sharpe's loads with a handful of salt! He tends to overload severly. I wonder how he got his pressure data, and it would be either lead units or copper units, not psi.

[runfiverun]

ditto Wayne's remarks.
remember that the older canister powders did vary from lot-to-lot and you may have a fast version.
but the middle data above should prove useful.

BTW what museum did you rob to find this powder.

[OS OK]

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[Lon246]

Herters data .270 150 gr
Read grains, velocity, pressure - lowest to highest
39.0 2448 48200
41.5 2577 49400
44.0 2696 50600

Herters data 30-06 180 gr
Read grains, velocity, pressure - lowest to highest
47.0 2338 50900
49.5 2593 51250
52.0 2699 51900
Again, the powder is named Hi Vel without the"2" following the name.

[badbob454]

Awesome thanks , its great of you guys to take the time to help a fella out. i got 2 unopened cans in a gun swap and it looks and smells like new fresh stuff. figured it would be perfect for a 270 and a 30-06
... thanks again badbob ...
:coffee:[smilie=w::Fire::Luvcastboolits:

[9w1911]

Hey guys this powder was a gift to me from one of our past posters may he rest in peace, Bruce was a great guy. He purchased the powder new, and has kept it all these years in temp controlled storage.

[Outpost75]

I used to use 23 grains with #311299 in the .30-'06 and 7.62x54R and it was quite accurate to 200 yards.

[badbob454]

i have loaded up in the 30-06 100 rounds 41 grains HV no 2 and a 186gr fmjbt bullet for starts down to one can now i will try the 311299 load next in my 30-06 thanks guys and 9w1911 good stuff...well i have the 311284 so i will use that same charge ...

[9w1911]

Awesome!!!

[nvbirdman]

From my Speer #5 manual, .270, 150gr, 39grHV-2 =2636, 41grHV-2=2725, 43grHV-2=2827.
30-06, 180gr, 41grHV-2=2475, 43grHV-2=2564, 45grHV-2=2656.

[jonp]

30-06 Hi Vel Data from 1958 Lymans Handbook Of Cast Bullets i picked up. All are gas check. Powder listed as "HiVel" only, no number

Boolit - Load (min-max) - Velocity

311467/175gr - 34.0/39.0gr - 2250/2475 ***39.0gr MAX LOAD***


311299/205gr - 34.0/42.0gr - 2215/2470 ***42.0gr MAX LOAD***


311334/190gr - 26.5/35.0gr - 1800/2215 ***35.0gr MAX LOAD***


311284/210gr - 26.0/37.0gr - 1750/2270 ***37.0gr MAX LOAD***


**I have not tried any of these.** Notice that OS OK used a 1953 Book and the loadings are lighter. 311334 uses a 25gr-33gr load range in the 1953 manual. If it were me I'd error on the side of caution and start at the lighter 1953 min load of 25gr and work up.

[badbob454]

thanks all ....loaded up some 311284 at 34 gr hivel#2 ill post how it works

[Bruntson]

Let me know if you can use a new unopened pound of IMR 1204. It was last made in 1934...

[justashooter]

hi-vel is not the same as hi-vel-2. hi-vel is for the older cases in the 30-30 class, and is faster burning.

[jonp]

Interesting read https://books.google.com/books?id=yESNUKSg5aMC&pg=PA331&lpg=PA331&dq=hivel+powder&source=bl&ots=ABBpQx3yal&sig=jh27k8DgpB2giOXAxsDMqBy1iXk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiG84-HhLbMAhVGZCYKHUTzARIQ6AEIXjAH#v=onepage&q=hivel%20powder&f=false
pg 329 lists an explanation of tin in the powder.

Hatcher seems to indicate that HiVel and HiVel 2 are nearly identical with HiVel 2 having tin added to it. The tin proved such a problem with fouling in rifles that it was discontinued. I can't find anything to indicate a different burn rate except the usual variation between lots. Do you have anything showing different, justashooter?

[w30wcf]

Take Phil Sharpe's loads with a handful of salt! He tends to overload severly. I wonder how he got his pressure data, and it would be either lead units or copper units, not psi.

Wayne,
The data for many of the loads in his book came directly from the powder manufacturers.

w30wcf

[jrmartin1964]

Info from label of old Hi-Vel No.2 canister, December 1934.
All the usual precautions apply.

Jim

[Bent Ramrod]

Brunson,

If you have a .22 Hornet, 1204 was the original powder used in its development. You'd have to look in Sharpe's hand loading book and the old American Rifleman magazines for load info. I've used 9.5 gr of 1204 with a 45 gr jacketed bullet in the Hornet, and it shot very well.

1204 was quickly supplanted by 2400, which I think was especially developed for the Hornet.

I use Hi-Vel #2 in my .25-35. Every time the can I found at a Gun Show starts running low, another can shows up at another Gun Show. It was a very popular powder and there was a lot of grief among hand loaders when it was replaced by the Reloder series. I wouldn't doubt that what's left of people's stockpiles of the stuff will continue to trickle out into the marketplace for a long time.

[badbob454]

ok back from the range loaded a 214 gr 311284 bens liquid lube sized to .311 hornady gas checkBoolit , 35gr. hivel no 2..... in30-06 marlin x7 bolt rifle excellent accuracy standing 1'' groups . @ 2060 fps nice comfortable kick to it ... everything i aimed for at 50 yards i hit every time im talking fragments of clay pigeons. this powder couldn't be better..

. loaded some 186 gr fmj bullets with 41 gr powder same as above little more kick but still pleasant this is @ 2300fps also accurate.

these loads both would be great for hunting...
also reading up hivel powder was 30% nitro whereas the no 2 had 15%-20% nitro if i remember my reading so it should be a little more tame and easier on the barrel erosion.
i have almost used up this fine powder , kinda sad to see it go .... thanks all for your input and help .p/s send your old powder to me ha ha ...

[9w1911]

well done!!

[jonp]

Cool, good stuff. I have 20lbs of old powder I'll send your way as soon as those darn Unicorns get out of my driveway and I can leave ;)

[badbob454]

ha ha those darn unicorns ....

[badbob454]

9w1911......thanks for the powder , it was an awesome gift
hope you are enjoying the 45/70... badbob

[9w1911]

yes sir!!!