Peep sight for Mauser 98 action

[Petrol & Powder]

I'm contemplating a receiver sight for a Mauser 98 action (Brazilian 1908 DWM). Any thoughts on an old Redfield or Lyman sight?

[Der Gebirgsjager]

A thought would be that you might snag one of the old timers off of e-bay. I bought many for Krags until the prices got so outrageous, but I never observed the same competition for Mauser sights. The currently made Williams sights aren't bad either.

[Petrol & Powder]

Any advantage or disadvantage to an older steel Redfield or a newer aluminum Williams?

[Char-Gar]

Any advantage or disadvantage to an older steel Redfield or a newer aluminum Williams?

I don't suppose there is really any advantage to using an old steel sight vs. a new aluminum one. However, I don't do it. Why? Because I don't eat peas with my knife either. Something just are not done in a good family.

Here is an old Redfield on a Mauser Sporter of mine.

[kungfustyle]

I have a Lyman on my M48 and I have to be careful not to bang my knuckles when I work the bolt. Just a heads up. My M48 has a wide arch bold handle.

[Scharfschuetze]

Lyman made several versions of their Model 57 SML or Model 48 for military rifles mounting sights on the right side of the receiver bridge. They are great sights and it's well worth perusing the web sights for one. I have them in long and short slide versions and with hunting as well as target knobs.

Here is one on a Springfield, but the same sight also fits a Mauser's receiver.

[Der Gebirgsjager]

That's a nice looking sight, Scharf. Well--advantages, disadvantages--I don't know. I guess steel is always considered more durable than aluminum. I like the way Scharf's sight looks...one acquaintance of mine describes such things as, "nutsy-boltsy". Very visible, positive, do it with your fingers controls. Lots of the newer ones require a little screwdriver of some sort. But--they look more streamlined. I guess it's just a matter of utility balanced with your taste. I do recall a few years ago I had just mounted a very nice Redfield no-gunsmithing sight on a Krag project as it's finishing touch. Leaned it up against something in the shop to get my camera out for a photo of the completed project and it fell over onto the concrete floor. Landed right on the steel sight and smashed the arm downward against the receiver. I felt physically sick. I just picked it up and sat it in the rack and left it for about a week before I could look at it again. I was able to bend the arm back to almost where it had been originally, and you might not notice it, but of course I always will! :sad:

[Mk42gunner]

In my experience, a blued steel sight looks better than a blackened aluminum sight. Probably tougher too.

Functionally? Probably no difference.

Robert

[leebuilder]

Parker Hale made a sweet micrometer rear apature sight for M98 too.

[Petrol & Powder]

Char-Gar, you shamed me into the steel sight camp.

Now I need to find one.

[Rich/WIS]

Given a choice I would go with steel, something about aluminum just doesn't look right to me on a classic rifle like a Springfield or Mauser.

[StrawHat]

I would like to find an aperture sight that attaches to the rear of the bolt. Not common and not the most accurate sight but it should be appropriate for hunting.

Kevin

[StrawHat]

I don't suppose there is really any advantage to using an old steel sight vs. a new aluminum one. However, I don't do it. Why? Because I don't eat peas with my knife either. Something just are not done in a good family.

Here is an old Redfield on a Mauser Sporter of mine.

I eat peas with honey,
I've done it all my life.
It does taste kind of funny,
But, it keeps them on my knife.

Thank you Char-Gar for allowing me to recall that childhood "poem"!

I guess that means you could use aluminum.

Kevin

[Bigslug]

While I wouldn't go drilling holes in an unaltered Mauser, if it's already on the road to Sporterville, they're great sights. I've run both Lymans and Redfields on a host of old guns and know them as solid and repeatable.

As to aluminum. . .consider the era: steel guns and aluminum airplanes. It'll work, but it just doesn't belong, ya know? Functional, but tacky. I would probably also hesitate to use an aluminum base on a gun that's going to be adjusted from one yardage to another a lot, i.e. a competition rifle. Fine for a zero-and-leave-it-alone approach though.

[pietro]

I would like to find an aperture sight that attaches to the rear of the bolt. Not common and not the most accurate sight but it should be appropriate for hunting.

Kevin


Look for a Lyman #1

It's mounted in a dovetailed regular firing-pin nut, the firing-pin itself shortened to clear.


It doesn't have much in the way of a windage adjustment; and elevation adjustment is controlled by the "nut" on the stem.

Since only friction keeps the adjustment from moving, some users block the stem from moving, with a tiny set screw ( after sighting in).



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[StrawHat]

Look for a Lyman #1

It's mounted in a dovetailed regular firing-pin nut, the firing-pin itself shortened to clear.


It doesn't have much in the way of a windage adjustment; and elevation adjustment is controlled by the "nut" on the stem.

Since only friction keeps the adjustment from moving, some users block the stem from moving, with a tiny set screw ( after sighting in).

Thank you. I had seen them in magazines (old ones from the 40s and 50s) but none were identified.

Kevin

[Four Fingers of Death]

The Williams Fool Proof Sights are tough enough, just don't have that 'look' to them, I you do scratch them (very difficult to do) they are not readily repairable, but except for classic milsurp rifles they are good enough in my mind.

They aren't as readily adjustable, but scheeoooooooooooot, how often do we adjust sights, apart from long range shooting competition.

I've had several Williams sights on several rifles, one Mauser 98 and lots of levers, they looked as good when I sold them as they did when I bought them.

The steel is preferable for looks and bragging rights, but in reality, the Al sights are well up to the job.

[Hardcast416taylor]

I don't suppose there is really any advantage to using an old steel sight vs. a new aluminum one. However, I don't do it. Why? Because I don't eat peas with my knife either. Something just are not done in a good family.

Here is an old Redfield on a Mauser Sporter of mine.

Bought a `sportered` Mauser with this same Redfield peep set up about 15 years or so back. I eventually removed the peep and sold it to a buyer that was eager to get it. A new William`s `Foolproof` (as they were called once) is a good choice for going on the Mauser.Robert

[Petrol & Powder]

I found an old Lyman 57, hopefully it will do the job.

[hc18flyer]

Will the same models fit my M24/47? Thanks, Flyer

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Yes. Any receiver sight made for a '98 Mauser should work on your M24/47.

[Scharfschuetze]

Yes. Any receiver sight made for a '98 Mauser should work on your M24/47.

Most of the turn of the century designed military bolt rifles based on the original Mauser design should take the same aperture sight fitted to the right side of the rifle's receiver's ring. Mausers, US 1917s, Springfields and I believe the Arisaka series will all take the Lmyan 48 and 57 as well as the Redfield series for military rifles when drilled at tapped for them.

Here is a WWI Mauser (sporterized) with a Redfield sight which will easily fit the M24/47.

[W.R.Buchanan]

There are Lyman #48 and #57 Receiver Sights on Ebay all the time going for anywhere from $60-150 for most of the decent ones. And as much as $350 for select #48's for Springfields.

I have a few of these mounted to different guns and they are without a doubt the best Sporting Rifle Iron sights ever made and it's a shame they aren't making them now because there is a market for them.(Just look at Ebay!) Lyman simply took their existing designs and made the Base and Overarm out of Aluminum which effectively made the sights easier to machine but less valuable. People who know don't want an Aluminum version of a great sight because they won't wear as long, and the Anodized Finish doesn't match their guns finish. Also they don't seem to Repeat as well as the steel ones when you move them and then go back, which is the main reason to have one in the first place.

I lobbied Lyman heavily at the SHOT Show to bring back the old materials and just charge a few $ more, because the difference in machining time on the two affected parts would be about 5% more for 12L14 steel as opposed to the Aluminum used now.

All the rest of the parts are the same as they were before. Primary sights affected would be the Series 66 Levergun Sights, and the 57 Series Bolt Action Sights. They dropped the #48 Series along time ago so you'd still have to buy those used and expect to pay $150+ for a bad one and $200+ for a decent one, and more for a rare one or NIB one. Saw a NIB First Gen #48 go for $575 once!

Redfield Sights which were competitors of Lyman were also excellent. The Series 70 models tend to be best suited to a set and leave alone type of usage on a Hunting Rifle. The Series 80 sights are similar to the Lyman sights with a quick release slide mechinism, which does repeat well when moved and is well suited to guns where the elevation offsets are changed frequently for different ranges. I have several of those as well. The Redfield Target sights do repeat exactly and are excellent sights, and not too expensive, with Olympic and International models generally priced starting around $100. A decent Palma will still cost you $250+.

All of these sights were State of the Art Sighting systems for Sporting Rifles up to around 1960, and then Optical Sights became affordable enough for the common man to own. There is absolutely no reason why a guy can't learn how to shoot Aperture type sights nearly as well as optics at normal hunting ranges for 50-200 yards.

I have several guns I shoot for the Silhouette Games including my Enfield #4 Mk1, Marlin 1894 CB and 1895 CB along with a Springfield that is trying to be an NRA Sporter some day and an 1896 Swede. All these guns have either Lyman or Redfield Aperture sights on them.

I just shot a 1 3/4" group with my Marlin 1895 .45-70 last week at 100 yards with a Lyman 66LA on the gun. If I can do it so can you!

Randy

[Trinidad Bill]

That is very nicely done! I would love to find one of those.


Look for a Lyman #1

It's mounted in a dovetailed regular firing-pin nut, the firing-pin itself shortened to clear.


It doesn't have much in the way of a windage adjustment; and elevation adjustment is controlled by the "nut" on the stem.

Since only friction keeps the adjustment from moving, some users block the stem from moving, with a tiny set screw ( after sighting in).



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[Der Gebirgsjager]

Looks like a very nice rifle, Pietro. Does that use the same charger clip as the straight pull Mannlicher?

[Texas by God]

Petrol & Powder you should google Gary Fellers for classic receiver sights of all kinds. His phone number is 817 346 9633. I loved my old bubba Krag with a Redfield on it. Williams also had a 5D JEMS( JapEnfield,Mauser,Springfield) economy sight.

[RustyReel]

If the Williams sight will work for you then you may want to check out Gun Parts Corp. They have the Williams Foolproof (a little nicer than the 5D) for $17. It is listed as fitting FN and Mark X Mausers but should work on a '98, especially if your is not yet drilled/tapped. I just picked up a few for future projects!

[adrians]

I have Lyman 57's and Redfield #70 on my Mausers in fact just pulled this one off an Argie cos I needed to fit a Weaver k2.5.

Micrometer knobs are awesome.

[Texas by God]

If the Williams sight will work for you then you may want to check out Gun Parts Corp. They have the Williams Foolproof (a little nicer than the 5D) for $17. It is listed as fitting FN and Mark X Mausers but should work on a '98, especially if your is not yet drilled/tapped. I just picked up a few for future projects!
Yikes! I gotta jump on that. Thanks, Rusty!

[MaxJon]

There is a way of fitting a Central No.4 sight on the 98 action. If anyone has done so, please show how....I'm keen to fit one on my M98.

[Four Fingers of Death]

There is a way of fitting a Central No.4 sight on the 98 action. If anyone has done so, please show how....I'm keen to fit one on my M98.
An invisible photo, but you need a mounting plate from Central.