can you tell me about my 91/30

[LUCKYDAWG13]

can you tell me about my 91/30 i bought it a few years ago cleaned all the cosmoline off and just stuck it away
in the safe Rifling looks good and it was made in 1943 thats all i know about it have a look
and tell me what you can thanks and all of the S/N match
165999 166000166001166002166003

[koger]

First off it is sweet! Second is was made for sniper duty, ala bent bolt! I would like to see a pic of the left hand side of the receiver!

[LUCKYDAWG13]

thank you here you go 166005166006

[Der Gebirgsjager]

The arrow in the triangle symbol means that it was manufactured at Izhevsk Arsenal.

[43PU]

Sadly it is not a sniper or a ex sniper, century sold a number of 91/30s with bent handles. Your mosin is a standard war time production 1942 Ukrain referb, the stock cartouch with the square with a diagonal slash is a ukrain wood referbisment mark. Your metal looks like a Russian refinishing mark. Look on the right side of the barrel shank for a set of double 0 marks one inside of the other, those are accuracy marks, if your rifle doesn't have one that means it shot 3-4 inchs from the factory if it does that means it shot 2-3 inchs and snipers will a lot of times have dual accuracy marks where it shoots 1-2 inchs. I collect mosin's and am blessed to have almost 200 in my collection.

[funnyjim014]

Wow that's a lot of rueskis

[LUCKYDAWG13]

is this what you mean 166588

[RayinNH]

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[Adam Helmer]

Lucky,

I see two different serial numbers on your rifle receiver; one is T867 and the other is 03203. What is the number on the bolt? Is the bolt number electric penciled or struck into the bolt body as hard as T867?

Adam

[LUCKYDAWG13]

bolt is same 166663166664166665166666

[Adam Helmer]

Lucky,

Yep, your rifle has matching numbers; you are a lucky fellow. What is that Number "03203" on the left side of the receiver in the photo in post #7?

Adam

[lefty o]

different font on the bolt, done after the fact.

[Adam Helmer]

lefty,

I would not be too quick to discount the bolt serial number presented. The "font" may be different because the "Worker in the Workers' Paradise had a different tool to imprint the serial number. At LEAST it is NOT the "Electric Pencil" GARBAGE I often appraise! I say the rifle is Matching!

Adam

[lefty o]

its a decent looking 91/30, however the bolt handle doesnt go with the rifle, its an after the fact deal. that handle came only on 91/30 pu or pe rifles, and even when the russians deactivated sniper rifles returning them to standard rifles, they put the normal bolt handle back on them, and either replaced the stock or patched the cutout from the mount. and if you look, besides the font doesnt match, which is important, you can clearly see the original number was ground off, and its been renumbered. shoot it and enjoy it, dont get hung up on details.

[LUCKYDAWG13]

oh i didn't think it was ex sniper rifle would have been kewl if it was just wondered why it had the bent bolt and why it was re-stamped to match S/N
it does shoot good just a little high 8" or so

[leadman]

These were made to be shot with the bayonet on them. Very inconvenient! There were many 91/30s advertised as exsniper with bent bolt handles a few years back. Don't know if that was accurate though.
If you need to scope that, as I do because of old eyes, the rear sight base can be removed by taking out the screw (might have to be drilled out) and heating the base to melt the solder and sliding it off. There is a steel block on the barrel that the sides angle in at the bottom. Rings for a grooved 22LR barrel slide right on. I use Millett or Weaver bases so they stay put. The addition of one of the Chinese long eye relief 2 X 7 scopes completes the change over. Surprising how good these shoots when the shooter can see the target.

[43PU]

That number on the side is the importers Serial number, The USA does not recognize serial numbers on barrel shanks as appropriate for ATF standards so they give the rifles a serial number on the receiver, so that it can be on the books, yes the bolt is a forced matched bolt, not uncommon at all. You have a nice example of a war time 91/30. As Far as the accuracy, I have a Vietnam bring back 91/30 PU sniper from 1943 that the veteran who brought it back said that "the Vietcong didn't get a chance to really use it" and it will shoot a Good Honest 1'' group at 150 yards with 7N1 Sniper ammo and about the same using sierra 175 SMKs. As far as being sighted in with the Bayo on, that is true HOWEVER when they got sent to The Ukraine ALOT of them about 90% or so got re-sighted in WITHOUT the bayo on. Alot of 91/30s will have 2 or 3 witness marks on the front sight globe. To find the True date of the Rifle take it out of the wood and you should see on the back Tang of the reciever a date it will be like 42 or something, and that will tell you the year the receiver was made. I have a 1944 Tula with a 1903 Tula receiver on it, in a M44 configuration, go figure. Now sometimes during war time production they did not mark the date on the receiver so if it is not there it is a 42,or a 43.

43PU

PM me if you want more info i will be in Utah with the in laws for 2 weeks so i will be GLAD TO HELP lol

[I'll Make Mine]

Shooting high is very common in 91/30 straight from the arsenal. They were sighted for a belt buckle hold, to give torso hits at ranges from 100 to 300 meters without adjusting the rear sight. They therefore tend to hit high (out of the cosmoline, mine shot about 12" high at 100), so as not to be low at 300 meters.

On my '43 Izhevsk 91/30, the rear sight slid right off the base when I drove the pins out. Not sure when they stopped soldering them on, but it was apparently during or before 1943. If you use 3/8 dovetail scope rings, you can keep them locked in place by filing a notch on one or both rings to let the original sight's pins act as lugs. Works perfectly, and keeps cost reasonable. Do watch out, though; the sight bases aren't all level. Mine shoots around two feet high at 100 with the crosshair set all the way low. Haven't gotten around to shimming the rings yet, looks like I need to add about one millimeter in the bottom of the front ring.