Ruger Alaskan 454 [Archive]

.452dia

03-21-2016, 04:16 PM

I'm trying to find a suitable powder to push my 335 gn lead gc bullets with. My H110 loads are not getting me what I want with this bullet. I see where some say WW-296 works better then others say Lil Gun or True Blue Enforcer work better. I realize there is a trade-off when shooting these large calibers in short barrels but I would like to hear from some of those who have hands on experience with loading for the Alaskan in this caliber.

44MAG#1

03-21-2016, 04:23 PM

What are you expecting is the question?

jmort

03-21-2016, 04:33 PM

^^^ That is a good question. And, I will add, what bullet ?
110 = 296
300-MP may get you more juice.

.452dia

03-21-2016, 04:54 PM

jmort

03-21-2016, 05:01 PM

Don't know how I missed it, 335 grain GC

44MAG#1

03-21-2016, 05:03 PM

I would figure 1250. How high have you been with H110/W296?
How deep does the bullet seat into the case?
You will have to be running near max pressure for the bullet.
Do you have a chronograph?

jmort

03-21-2016, 05:17 PM

335
Cast Performance LFN GC
Hodgdon
H-4227
23.0
1306

Remarks: start load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.770"; 30,000 cup

335
Cast Performance LFN GC
Hodgdon
H-4227
25.5
1460

Remarks: max load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.770"; 42,800 cup

335
Cast Performance LFN GC
Winchester
W-296
23.0
1321

Remarks: start load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.770"; 22,200 cup

335
Cast Performance LFN GC
Winchester
W-296
26.0
1531

Remarks: max load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.770"; 41,600 cup

335
Cast Performance LFN GC
Hodgdon
H-110
23.0
1321

Remarks: start load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.770"; 22,200 cup

335
Cast Performance LFN GC
Hodgdon
H-110
26.0
1531

Remarks: max load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.770"; 41,600 cup

335
Cast Performance LFN GC
Hodgdon
Lil'Gun
21.0
1377

Remarks: start load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.770"; 34,000 cup

335
Cast Performance LFN GC
Hodgdon
Lil'Gun
24.0
1517

Remarks: max load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.770"; 44,200 cup

335
Cast Performance LFN GC
IMR
Trail Boss
4.8
618

Remarks: start load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.770"; 15,500 cup

335
Cast Performance LFN GC
IMR
Trail Boss
6.8
778

Remarks: start load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.770"; 25,600 cup

360
Cast Performance LFN GC
Hodgdon
H-4227
21.0
1205

Remarks: start load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.760"; 31,000 cup

360
Cast Performance LFN GC
Hodgdon
H-4227
24.0
1406

Remarks: max load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.760"; 48,300 cup

360
Cast Performance LFN GC
Winchester
W-296
21.0
1265

Remarks: start load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.760"; 24,000 cup

360
Cast Performance LFN GC
Winchester
W-296
24.0
1447

Remarks: max load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.760"; 43,400 cup

360
Cast Performance LFN GC
Hodgdon
H-110
21.0
1265

Remarks: start load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.760"; 24,000 cup

360
Cast Performance LFN GC
Hodgdon
H-110
24.0
1447

Remarks: max load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.760"; 43,400 cup

360
Cast Performance LFN GC
Hodgdon
Lil'Gun
20.0
1330

Remarks: start load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.760"; 38,000 cup

360
Cast Performance LFN GC
Hodgdon
Lil'Gun
23.0
1477

Remarks: max load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.760"; 48,200 cup

360
Cast Performance LFN GC
IMR
Trail Boss
5.0
615

Remarks: start load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.760"; 18,000 cup

360
Cast Performance LFN GC
IMR
Trail Boss
6.0
699

Remarks: max load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.760"; 27,300 cup

395
Cast Performance LFN GC
Hodgdon
H-4227
18.0
1076

Remarks: start load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.770"; 29,600 cup

395
Cast Performance LFN GC
Hodgdon
H-4227
21.0
1269

Remarks: max load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.770"; 48,300 cup

395
Cast Performance LFN GC
Winchester
W-296
18.5
1169

Remarks: start load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.770"; 27,200 cup

395
Cast Performance LFN GC
Winchester
W-296
21.0
1309

Remarks: max load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.770"; 43,200 cup

395
Cast Performance LFN GC
Hodgdon
H-110
18.5
1169

Remarks: start load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.770"; 27,200 cup

395
Cast Performance LFN GC
Hodgdon
H-110
21.0
1309

Remarks: max load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.770"; 43,200 cup

395
Cast Performance LFN GC
Hodgdon
Lil'Gun
17.5
1212

Remarks: start load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.770"; 40,100 cup

395
Cast Performance LFN GC
Hodgdon
Lil'Gun
20.0
1331

Remarks: max load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.770"; 47,100 cup

395
Cast Performance LFN GC
IMR
Trail Boss
4.0
519

Remarks: start load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.770"; 19,200 cup

395
Cast Performance LFN GC
IMR
Trail Boss
5.0
607

Remarks: max load; bullet diam.: .452"; COL: 1.770"; 23,600 cup

jmort

03-21-2016, 05:19 PM

.454 Casull (Accurate Data Edition 3.3 - 2009)

http://www.loaddata.com/images/database/.454%20Casull5.gif

Warning! Notes: barrel: 7.5"; twist: 1-24"; primer: CCI 400; bullet dia.: .452"; never exceed the maximum load

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Wt.
Bullet
Powder Manufacturer
Powder
Charge
Velocity (FPS)
Favorite?

335
Cast Performance Wide Long Nose Gas Check
Accurate
AAC-4100
23.2
1363

Remarks: start load; COL: 1.760"

335
Cast Performance Wide Long Nose Gas Check
Accurate
AAC-4100
25.8
1515

Remarks: max load; COL: 1.760"; 52,550 psi

jmort

03-21-2016, 05:20 PM

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.454 Casull (52,000 psi) using Western Powders Ramshot

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Warning! Notes: A Freedom Arms Model 83 with a 7 1/2-inch barrel used with Winchester cases and Remington 7 1/2 primers to test fire the .454 Casull loads. (Handloader Issue #238)

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335
Cast Performance WLN-GC
Ramshot
Enforcer
26.0
1,536

Remarks:

jmort

03-21-2016, 05:21 PM

.454 Casull (Ramshot Data Edition 4.5 - 2011)

http://www.loaddata.com/images/database/454-Casull27.gif

Warning! Notes: barrel: 7.5", twist 1-24"; primer: FED 210; bullet dia.: .452"; always begin loading at the minimum "start load"; increase in 2% increments towards the maximum load; watch for signs of excessive pressure; never exceed the maximum load

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Wt.
Bullet
Powder Manufacturer
Powder
Charge
Velocity (FPS)
Favorite?

335
Cast Performance Wide Long Nose Gas Check (L)
Ramshot
True Blue
16.2
1,256

Remarks: start load; col (inch): 1.735

335
Cast Performance Wide Long Nose Gas Check (L)
Ramshot
True Blue
18.0
1,395

Remarks: maximum load; 53,400 psi; col (inch): 1.735

335
Cast Performance Wide Long Nose Gas Check (L)
Ramshot
Enforcer
23.4
1,377

Remarks: start load; col (inch): 1.760

335
Cast Performance Wide Long Nose Gas Check (L)
Ramshot
Enforcer
26.0
1,530

Remarks: maximum load; 53,350 psi; col (inch): 1.760

376Steyr

03-21-2016, 06:38 PM

What are you expecting is the question?

I'll be happy with 1250 to 1300 or as close as I can get.

110 = 296

Yeah, I know H110 & WW 296 use the same data but I read somewhere that WW 296 preformed better with these heavy bullets.

The reason 110 and 296 use the same data is because they are now the same powder, just with different labels on the jugs. The only difference between them is when you use powder from two different lots.

Mica_Hiebert

03-21-2016, 07:25 PM

I am just talking out the side of my neck here because I have no first hand experience loading either 454 or a big magnums with a short barrel. But traditional slow burning powders such as Lil gun and h110/w296 & mp300 work great in magnum loadings but most of those guns have 7-10 inch barrels to take advantage of the slow powder burn... you may get better results with something on the faster side with the short Alaskan barrel.

Lloyd Smale

03-22-2016, 08:27 AM

barrel length doesn't really matter much with handguns. The powder that gives the best velocitys in a 7 inch barrel is probably going to do the same in a 3 inch barrel. For what you want to do here with your Alaskan 110 is going to be hard to beat. Limiting factor in the one I had was the cylinder metal. Its known to cause sticky extraction. I could get 300s to 1200-1250 with 26 grains of 110. Anymore then that and I had sticky extraction. A load that was very mild in my 454 freedom arms gun. Brass about fell out of that gun using that load. I don't know if ruger has addressed that problem or not. But for what I wanted it for 1200 fps with a 300 was just fine.

dubber123

03-23-2016, 08:00 PM

I do believe Ruger changed the steel to deal with the sticky extraction of the earlier guns. I am not sure when the change happened, or if it did. I do know lots of people complained of not being able to shoot max loads, particularly with the early full sized Super Redhawks.