Any BFR 44mag shooters?

[Dpmsman]

Well I talked MR today and found out why I've had stabilization problems when shooting the Lee 310 grn boolit. On the web sight it lists the twist rate at 1 in 16 MR told me they use a 1 in 26 twist the same as the 444 Marlin. So has anyone else been able to stabilize the 310 in there BFR? I still plan on working up loads with the 429421 boolit but was wondering if someone could recommend a lighter mold? A boolit design I can push hard.

Thanks Jon

[44man]

Well I talked MR today and found out why I've had stabilization problems when shooting the Lee 310 grn boolit. On the web sight it lists the twist rate at 1 in 16 MR told me they use a 1 in 26 twist the same as the 444 Marlin. So has anyone else been able to stabilize the 310 in there BFR? I still plan on working up loads with the 429421 boolit but was wondering if someone could recommend a lighter mold? A boolit design I can push hard.

Thanks Jon
Twist is 1 in 16". The twist on the .444 is the same. I don't know who you talked to.
Go to the 310 Lee, 320 LBT, etc. With the faster twist you do not have to go as heavy a load as a Ruger 1 in 20".
The 429421 is too light.

[Dpmsman]

Bret one of the guys that build the BFR's told me 1 in 26. I spiecificly said the same thing that I was told 1 in 16 and he replied the web sight is wrong and that he had the schematic right in front of him and it reads 1 in 26. They switched barrel manufactures.

[Dpmsman]

I might call again tomorrow to make sure that I/he has the right info. I will find out the barrel manufacturer is as well.

[44man]

I mailed Jim Tertin to find out.

[Dpmsman]

Well i talked to MR again and was told the same 1 in 26 twist. Also barrel manufacturer was switched from Badger to Green Mountain. Badger was bought out. Not sure what i should do the rep told me i could have it converted to 500 JRH.

[44man]

Well i talked to MR again and was told the same 1 in 26 twist. Also barrel manufacturer was switched from Badger to Green Mountain. Badger was bought out. Not sure what i should do the rep told me i could have it converted to 500 JRH.
Green Mountain makes great barrels but why the change in twist? That 1 in 26" would be more at home in a rifle.
I have no answers yet from MR.
It would seem you need a lighter boolit driven balls to the wall to make it close to working.

[Ramjet-SS]

This is what happens when purchasing managers run companies instead of engineers.

[44man]

Who bought Badger? Why didn't MR get them? MR was bought out too so profit is at the top. What is to happen next? Green Mountain makes fine barrels but are they cutting down rifle barrels instead of changing machines? They should go with MR specs. The demise of the BFR is coming.

[Dpmsman]

Well I was able to get out and shoot today and I got some interesting results. I decided to set up at 50yds and shot a variety of loads most were on the hot side. First up was the PCed 429421 over 25.0, 25.2,26.0 grs of 296 with a cci mag primer. Not much accuracy with any of these loads most hovered around 6"-8". Next was the Lyman devastator hp over 21.5 and 22.0 grns of 296 with a fed 150 primer. These didn't do to bad with 22.0 giving 4rds into 1 1/4" with the 5th shot 2 1/2" to the left. Third was the 429421 PCed over 2400 20.0, 21.5, 22.0, and 22.5grns. Tops went to 20.5 with a 2 5/8" group. Last was the 310 Lee over 22.0 and 22.2grns of 296 light with a fed 150. 22.0 grouped the best at 2 1/2". I loaded another 5rds of the 310 Lee over 22grns of 296 and shot it at 100yds and no good only 2rds hit the 16"x24" paper target with evidence of key holing. I might have to give up on the 310 Lee bullet I just can't push it hard enough. The devastater shows some promise as does the 429421 PCed over 2400. I think I might try some factory loads and see what they can do and go from there. Otherwise I'm open to suggestions. I could go hotter on the 310 as no major pressure signs but not sure if this is a good idea being as I'm already well over book. Non of the loads were unpleasant to shoot. Again ideas welcome.

Thanks Jon

[44man]

I have no answers from anyone yet. I hope they see this is not acceptable.

[Ramjet-SS]

Try 180 grain XTP over a max load see how it does.

Then try a 300 grain XTP Max load worked up if it groups like the cast (it probably will) then it's a light bullet gun.

You can have it rebarelled with a barrel of a correct twist. Or sell it and move on.

[44man]

The old ways were money over a long term. But corporate today is instant profit for share holders that dump shares fast. Companies go belly up fast. Every single time a company is bought for profit, it is ruined. My voice is a raindrop so maybe you should band together and join me to hammer the stupid.

[shoot-n-lead]

The old ways were money over a long term. But corporate today is instant profit for share holders that dump shares fast. Companies go belly up fast. Every single time a company is bought for profit, it is ruined. My voice is a raindrop so maybe you should band together and join me to hammer the stupid.

There is no other reason to buy a company...companies are supposed to make a profit.

Sounds like a liberal drumbeat.

[Dpmsman]

MR said they would screw on a longer barrel for $160 but I think it would be the same twist rate. I could have it converted to 500 JRH for $360 plus shipping. Is 2" groups at 50yds about what I can expect? I have a S&W 686 that will group around that at 100 yds with Fed hydroshock factory ammo.

[Ramjet-SS]

I think with heavier bullets your accuracy will be dismal with that rate of twist.

Try the 180 grain drive it hard see what kind of accuracy you get. that gun should be printing 2" at 100 yards if you do your part.

[44man]

There is no other reason to buy a company...companies are supposed to make a profit.

Sounds like a liberal drumbeat.
Not so, they cheapen stuff so less is sold. They hire cheap labor or farm out to other countries. Once word gets around, nobody will buy any more.