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Oklahoma Rebel
02-25-2016, 01:51 PM
Who here knows which is more accurate, the kieth swc 250gr. or a 250gr.RNFP? the gun is a ruger super Blackhawk, 7.5" barrel, using 2400 to achieve around 1,250fps to no more than 2,400fps max. I am asking for answers/data that was collected shooting in the 75-100 yard range. 50 yard info will be helpful to. actually 60-70% off my deer kills were at 50-75 yards. so feel free to chime in with any experience or load data. any replies are very much appreciated. thanks,
Travis

dondiego
02-25-2016, 03:01 PM
Good luck getting 2400 fps out of that Blackhawk. Only your firearm can tell you which of those bullets will be more accurate.

44man
02-25-2016, 03:33 PM
Super gun. Use a LFN, WFN or RNFP before a Keith. 2400 or 296 is what you want.
I know you made a typo and Don was pulling your chain.
You might consider going up to the lee 310 and 21.5 gr of 296 with a fed 150 primer or the 265 RD and 22 gr of 296 and a Fed 150. The LBT 320 with 21.5 gr of 296 and a Fed 150 works too. NO, no need for a mag primer.

fredj338
02-25-2016, 03:49 PM
I also think the RNFP a bit more accurate out beyond the 50yd line. My hunting bullet is a modified Lyman Dev, 270gr with a shallow cup point @ 1250fps. On good days I can do 3" @ 100 w/ the 2x leup. For me, that is plenty good.

DougGuy
02-25-2016, 04:16 PM
The Lee 310 is a bonecrusher out to 60-75 yards but it is better at close distance than a lot of other wide meplat designs. Places where I hunt you don't get a 50yd shot and the 310 is all I load for my SBH. I think there might be better choices at 100yds than the 310.

44man
02-25-2016, 04:39 PM
The Lee 310 is a bonecrusher out to 60-75 yards but it is better at close distance than a lot of other wide meplat designs. Places where I hunt you don't get a 50yd shot and the 310 is all I load for my SBH. I think there might be better choices at 100yds than the 310.
Not many! It is a super boolit. It will be loss of energy at 100 or more. I have found no boolits real good at 100+

Thumbcocker
02-25-2016, 09:41 PM
I have gotten good groups with Keiths and Ranch dog designs. I think the Keith has a slight edge in versatility in that it seems to give good accuracy over a wide range of velocities. WFN's seem to want to be pushed a bit harder. I am not in the same league as many shooters here although I do put venison in the freezer most years with a .44 Ruger. I plink out to 100 yards and have rock shot out to 313. A friend and I once shot a rail road rail plate at a measured 200 yards with my Bisley 7.5" shooting Keiths over 7.0 of 700x at a chronoed 1000fps. We had a bench and sand bags and 3-4 hits per cylinder were not that hard to get. Spotting was almost as fun as shooting because you could see the vapor trail head for the steel, see the splash of the hit and watch the plate shake before the plag was heard. The bolits cast of acww were the size of quarters after hitting the plate,

My hunting loads are loaded with individually weighed boolits and charges in cases with deburred flash holes. (except Starline which has no burr) I figure any small step that I can do to help that costs nothing is good. Plus, truth be told, I just enjoy putting in a little more effort in my hunting loads. Makes them special and I have more confidence in them.

44man
02-26-2016, 10:53 AM
I shot rocks on RR slopes to 500 yards with my FT Ruger and 29's back in 1956. 429421 and 22 gr of 2400. Love was and still is the .44. My best shot ever was a pile of hair taken from a running chuck at 550 yards and I take a perfect 3' pace. But I DID make the .44 more accurate with a boolit change.
You are correct about a wide range of velocities with a Keith, my heavier boolits plain suck if I try to shoot slower. The most accurate bullet ever is the 240 XTP or the Hornady 240 SIL so why not cast to match?
Long ago I bought jacketed with a shoulder, might have been Speer, did not work and they have gone down the road. Replaced with the Gold Dot and a fine bullet in it's own right.
But it is not boolit shape with the keith, it is still weight and length, as boolits get heavier, you need to spin them up.

Char-Gar
02-26-2016, 11:09 AM
For the purposes and parameters you set out in your original post, it doesn't really matter which of the two you list, is your choice. Both have more than adequate accuracy and power to do your job. One may be a smidge more accurate than the other in your gun, and it may turn around in another gun. It is an individual choice.

I have had great luck with both plain base Keith SWC and the gas check 429244 designed by Ray Thompson. When it gets to 100 yards the Thompson bullets shades the Keith bullet in accuracy. At least that has been my experience.

tward
02-26-2016, 09:58 PM
Hard to find anything with less than adequate accuracy in the 44 mag., it seems to be inherently accurate with good Boolits/bullets. Tim

44man
02-27-2016, 10:23 AM
Pain with the .44 is having owned so many and letting a lot go down the road to buy something else.

Blammer
02-28-2016, 03:39 PM
If I had to choose, I'd start with a RF first.

Oklahoma Rebel
02-28-2016, 09:53 PM
I obviously meant 1400 lol sorry. also what % of brand new ruger SBH's need cylinder reamed and fire lapped?

osteodoc08
02-29-2016, 05:57 AM
I obviously meant 1400 lol sorry. also what % of brand new ruger SBH's need cylinder reamed and fire lapped?

Who knows a %.

Measure your throats and slug the barrel.

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