New type of suppressors

[Uncle Jimbo]

Found this an interesting article about suppressors.

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=38460876&nid=1012&title=utah-teams-firearm-suppressor-works-like-a-jet-engine-in-reverse


MURRAY — A Utah team is challenging the 110-year reign of baffle suppression technology in firearms.
While the traditional suppressors offer some protection to firearm operators, the baffle system also brings a slew of negative effects along with the benefits. Murray-based Operators Suppression Systems (http://osssuppressors.com/), led by U.S. Special Forces veteran Russ Oliver, has developed a solution with its flow-through suppression system.
A video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCzo1z4EcLg) introducing the new technology quickly gained traction online, garnering more than 1 million views so far. It took the better part of a decade for the flow-through suppressors to go from proof of concept to its current stage.
"You have a design that creates better signature reduction, without the adverse effects," said Oliver, the founder and president of OSS. "What that does is take an aspect or capability that was, and has always been, very limited and makes it available to every soldier all the time on the battlefield."

The technology

The underlying issue with modern weapons is that the baffle system retains pressure inside the barrel and then increases the operating system's speed as it cycles, according to Oliver. He said ultimately that reduces the life cycle of the weapon system, but more importantly it also affects the operators themselves by exposing them to high-velocity gas being blown backward out of the chamber into their face.
Due to these negative aspects, suppressors are only used for very specific missions even though all soldiers and members of law enforcement could benefit from reducing signatures that give away position like heat, sound and flash. The OSS team hopes its technology will eventually be procured by the military, allowing more people to benefit from suppression.

OSS suppressors provide reductions in sound and flash, without decreasing the life cycle of the weapon system and releasing gas. This is because the flow-through technology allows gas to expand forward through a series of channels to come out of the muzzle, according to the company. One physicist described the technology as being "like a jet engine in reverse."
"We're big on the science here," Oliver said. "The whole thing is based upon basic physics, just applied in a little different way than traditionally in suppression or firearms."
OSS recently started a large push into the civilian firearms market, with multiple dealers in Utah (http://osssuppressors.com/) carrying the flow-through suppressors. The company presented its tech at the Las Vegas Shot Show (http://www.shotshow.org/) in January, providing the opportunity for people to try the suppression technology with about 90 types of weapons systems.

The inspiration and teamwork

Oliver, who has spent most of his life in Utah, has been a firearms dealer for more than two decades. He said he worked his way through the industry, going from fixing guns in his garage to working with wholesale distributors and large-scale manufacturers. While working as an adjunct firearm instructor for a group of Green Berets preparing to go to Iraq about 11 years ago, he was impressed by the life they led and decided to join the army himself.
At the age of 31, Oliver entered basic training. He worked on his designs for a new type of suppression system from Fort Bragg, sending the drawings to a manufacturer in Utah and enlisting a friend who was a SWAT sergeant in South Salt Lake City to test the suppressor.
"He would shoot it and get back to me and tell me, 'Hey, this works and this doesn't work' and really helped me to continue the evolution of the design while I was gone," Oliver said. "Local law enforcement, SWAT guys all throughout Salt Lake Valley, also had a lot to do with where I came from and getting to know firearms... what worked about suppression with them and what didn't."
The support Oliver received from local law enforcement and others from his firearm distribution and training days has led him to credit a large number of people with the flow-through suppression system's success.
"If there is one thing that I had to say makes OSS, it's the combination of personnel that have been here and really pushed this to realization," he said. "I've seen a couple of comments online (saying) the engineering is genius, and actually as much as I take that as a compliment the truth is we're just incredibly stubborn here. We had a thousand of them that didn't work before we found the one we did."http://beacon.deseretconnect.com/beacon.gif?cid=366441&pid=4



Has some videos that are interesting to watch also.

[Artful]

He's been around for several years
- looks like he's on 5th generation and has definitely improved it, it was the 2nd Gen when I first saw a video of it.
I have yet to see one in person so can't comment further
except to say looks like a pain clean all those channels :-)

I have not run into any head to head tests against other suppressors with Mil-spec testing equipment - that I would like to see. Unfortunately the video's audio's tend to be less than a true representation of suppressed firearms.

[M-Tecs]

No prices on the web site. Wonder what they sell for? Interesting design. http://osssuppressors.com/

[GaryN]

They aren't too far from me. I think I will check them out next time I'm down that way. I get by there about once a week. I didn't even know they were there.

[MaryB]

They are coming out with a 50bmg suppressor!

[Cap'n Morgan]

Hmm... It looks like an over-engineered answer to a question nobody asked. Like Artful, I would like to see some actual numbers compared to other designs.

[Tackleberry41]

Guess it depends on the weapon its mounted to. Semi autos can really blow some stuff in your face. A single shot, or bolt gun, hard to even notice.

[jonp]

sweet.

[xs11jack]

Probably have to clean it with liquid, Mechanical would be far to labor intensive.
Ole Jack

[mtnman31]

I imagine an ultasonic cleaner would come in handy for cleaning it. I'm curious about the price.

[Bad Water Bill]

With all of the fancy equipment shown and time to produce one I fear only LE and the military will be able to buy one and there is always FEDERAL TAX.

[Lloyd Smale]

Ive never felt stuff blown back into my face on an ar15.

[JeffinNZ]

He states suppressors ".....reducing signatures that give away position like heat, sound and flash..."

That just ain't so. You fire a few rounds through a suppressor and see how warm it gets. On windless days in high volume rabbit areas my .223 suffers from mirage big time due to the suppressor.

[Artful]

He states suppressors ".....reducing signatures that give away position like heat, sound and flash..."

That just ain't so. You fire a few rounds through a suppressor and see how warm it gets. On windless days in high volume rabbit areas my .223 suffers from mirage big time due to the suppressor.

check out the thermal video on his site
http://osssuppressors.com/news-events/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P0dG8dbDJw

he's showing half the temp gain (251 vs 504)

You can see that by directing the blast back over the barrel
(reflex) it will keep the part sticking out furthest from the hand guard cooler
http://realisticpreparedness.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/OSS.jpg

[Artful]

Ive never felt stuff blown back into my face on an ar15.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35q4hx6IdCk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwzDSgFHWJ4

[JeffinNZ]

OK, but what they are doing is using a unit significantly larger and with superior heat sinking construction. Only barrel suppressors are extremely common here. Both mine are over barrel.

[Artful]

Yep, you can tell it has a HUGE surface area due to the design - and with the design reminds me of the Lewis Gun cooling system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxbzMRVh6kg

[Artful]

This demo shoot rep says the gases travels up to 70 inches inside the can before exiting out the muzzle end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9UpO-RWzp0

[Rick Hodges]

We still don't know the price. Hmmm, is it one of those things where if you have to ask you can't afford it?

[Cap'n Morgan]

If you're going through all those hoops (literally) to make a better mouse trap, you might as well build an integral suppressor around a dedicated barrel with bleed holes to redirect the gasses while the bullet is still in the barrel. I tinkered with all kind of suppressor designs for the last forty years and found that the one thing that really makes for an efficient reduction of the sound signature is volume; the more powder, the more volume is needed.

As for price, this company will charge about $225 for a standard size suppressor - and that price includes threading of the barrel!
http://www.sonicsilencers.com/
http://www.nielsengunparts.com/index.html

[flounderman]

For what it is worth, I was given a Mossberg .22 semi auto, with a slight bulge and a crack in the barrel about half way to the muzzle. I have never chronographed it but the sound is significantly reduced in this rifle compared to a normal .22. It could be possible the pressure bleed reduces the bullet to sub sonic level and that is why it is quiet and it could have something to do with the position of the vent in the barrel.

[Lloyd Smale]

more likely that the bullet is rattling through that bulge and thats whats slowing it down.

[xacex]

I would not want to have to clean that thing. Great for an operator who has an armorer to send it back to, but I think it will be a pain for civilians.

[wlc]

I'd be interested in seeing specifics. Weight, DB reduction etc. I'm with xacex, I sure wouldn't want to have to clean the thing. Regular monocores and baffles are bad enough at times, that thing looks like a plumbers nightmare. Definitely a ultrasonic cleaner or soda blaster to clean it.

[root]

These don't look like something I'd even consider.
This is coming from a guy that has 5 cans.

My main requirements are:
User serviceable. ( take apart for cleaning)
Stainless.
Full auto rated.

That can DOES NOT look user serviceable.
Don't know about the other two standards I have on cans though.

And as others have stated fixing a problem that isn't there.
Rich

[Tackleberry41]

70 ft passing thru the can is just alot of very small spaces to accumilate carbon, that would eventually have to be cleaned out. Bet its light weight to. And no with all the machining required it will not be cheap either.

As to the guy with the mossberg, depends on where that 'vent' is. It depends on the ammo, but there is a length where a bullet will not go supersonic. Usually 4 1/2 in or so, again ammo dependent. My little 22/45 nothing will go super sonic in it. Higher velocity ammo just has more muzzle blast. If you go back and look at some of the older designs, like the sten, they drilled the barrels pretty close to the chamber to keep standard 115gr FMJ from going supersonic. You can do the same thing with a shotgun so standard ammo can be used, vent the barrel at a point before it goes supersonic.

[Artful]

Interesting
http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=136300


Friends and Patrons of OSS,

I cannot possibly articulate or properly convey the degree of gratitude the OSS team and myself have for the unwavering support we have received over the past few years. The resilience of everyone’s support, from operators, components, federal and local law enforcement, firearms manufacturers, fellow engineers and scientists, and patriotic gun users and enthusiasts nationwide has motivated our team’s relentless dedication in bringing flow through suppression from conception to reality. Together, I believe we have proven there is a new century of signature reduction possibilities that will in time, dominate weapon systems of the future. In that aspect, we have a Mission accomplished!

With this success has also come the apparent realities and evils of some particular corporate business philosophies. It is these philosophies, who unfortunately retain a majority ownership of OSS, which have forced my resignation as President of OSS and terminated my employment. As of February 18, 2016 I could no longer in good conscience be an executive or employee of the new OSS and immediately pursued and am currently pursuing the sale, at discount if necessary, of all of my interests/shares and ownership of OSS.

In complete contrast of multiple inferences falsely portrayed in a letter from the new OSS acting “President” and management posted on “the tactical wire.com (http://wire.com/)” (in which I had no prior knowledge of nor were advised, consulted or quoted in regards too), I DO NOT support the new management direction of OSS in any way, nor do I believe it will be successful in the future to any degree that it would have been with its original team, purpose, concept and trajectory. The “success” spoken of in the new managements posted statement, is the direct result of exceptional personnel and their vision, capabilities, execution and dedication in combination with the financial support of several tremendously supportive and honorable minority owners.

The new OSS was built by and upon, but will not continue to flourish at the ignorant expense of exceptional men. Those men worked for and accomplished the impossible for purposes greater than themselves. The strength required to support the degree of dedication, sacrifice, and adversity that has been overcome in this endeavor can only come from true greater purpose and brotherhood, not personal wealth, greed or ego. The sum of the people who have willed OSS to success, has been and is the true strength and value of the company.

In addition to myself, over a dozen other primary and essential team members feel the same and have and will be leaving the company as soon as they are able. In my opinion, these personnel represent the whole of OSS’s sales (to include military, international, federal agencies, law enforcement and civilian sales), engineering, project management, testing/evaluation, and IT departments. These personnel represent exemplary experts from both military and civilian backgrounds to include, former military service ranks from CW 5 through Sgt. and civilian expertise from PhD of computer science through engineering.

Myself individually and as a group profoundly disagree and are unable to place our names and reputations upon the new managements business practices, treatment of employees, sales policies, product performance compromises, quality practices, priorities and production. In our opinion and interpretation, the “new” OSS Philosophies include among others; the military mentality will no longer be a part of OSS, a 20% return rate and ship now fix later philosophy is acceptable, and the weight of devices is the sole determining factor above ALL else moving forward. These new philosophies are the opposite of who we are as men and what we aspire to be, THE BEST!

Moving forward, my primary responsibility is to those individuals who have stood by me and through their examples made me who I am today, for which I am forever honored and grateful. In the initial interest of promoting these exceptional individuals, I have created a new company, the Organization of Strategic Sciences http://www.orgstrategicsciences.com (http://www.orgstrategicsciences.com/)and http://www.facebook.com/Organization-of-Strategic-Sciences-536453453204094.

Within the following days and weeks, resumes of these exceptional gentlemen who have already left or intend to leave OSS, will be posted as they become available. I would give or take a bullet for each of these men without hesitation and ask of any potential employer in and out of the firearms industry who reads this article, please consider them for upcoming or current positions you may have available.

As far as myself, I will also be available in a variety of limited capacities through strategic sciences for the next 362 days. After that time, industry can certainly expect me back with an unrestricted vengeance, wielding the passion, vision and creativity that the original OSS was founded under.

Years ago, some real physicists nicknamed me “the caveman physicist”, I wear that nickname with pride! There is no doubt a million more caveman physicists, like myself, are creating new technologies in their garages right now. I’m sure they will all say as I would, even caveman physicists know there is more than one way to apply physics and science to solve any given problem! Knowledge, perspective and creativity WILL always find a way.

With sincere thanks and appreciation to all who have supported myself and my team,

Russ Oliver

Founder and former President of OSS

Russ@orgstrategicsciences.com

https://www.facebook.com/ossmission/posts/856350084425543

http://soldiersystems.net/2016/02/22/russ-oliver-resigns/

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/announcing-my-resignation-from-oss-russ-oliver?articleId=6107455848638857216#comments-6107455848638857216&trk=prof-post

https://www.reddit.com/r/NFA/comments/471pgo/founder_russ_oliver_forced_out_from_oss/


http://www.thetacticalwire.com/story/368195


February 23, 2016 |
OSS Hires Estadt as VP of Marketing and Sales
http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/image_archive/2257087.jpg
Murray UT - Operators Suppressor Systems is pleased to announce that Chris Estadt has joined the company in the position of VP Marketing and Sales. He holds a BA in History from The Citadel, the Military College of South Carolina, an MBA from Ohio University, and comes to OSS with key industry sales and management experience.

"I hope to build upon my experience as Director of Military Business Development at Leupold, where my team competed and won key military contracts as the prime, and won other contracts working with OEMs."

"The global military and special forces market will always be a primary customer. And with OSS's patented Flow-Through™ technology acknowledged as the next generation of suppression, it's an exciting time to be part of the next chapter as we partner with OEMs to help them compete and win key contracts. I have admired the OSS story for some time," said the former US Army Officer, "and it's a privilege to join the team of talented, hard working and creative folks here in Murray."

In his new position, Estadt will report to John Spurrier, CEO. "Chris is a great addition to the OSS team," said Mr. Spurrier. "He brings a proven track record of industry sales and management experience and driving customer solutions. And Chris will be a valuable resource for OSS's ongoing development and expansion of our military, LE and commercial business."

For more information on Operators Suppressor Systems, visit their website (www.osssuppressors.com), find them on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/ossmission), or follow them on Twitter (@oss_suppressors), YouTube, and Instagram (oss_suppressors).
- See more at: http://www.thetacticalwire.com/story/368195#sthash.xdkXpCNm.dpuf

[Rick Hodges]

Ok, so the guy got bought out and now has sour grapes. It is common when you open your business to other investors and end up ceding control. The investors need to see a positive return on their money. Now the guy is all upset with the "new management". My guess is his "golden parachute" wasn't all he wished it could be.

[popper]

dang - that Lewis gun shows there is nothing new under the sun.

[Artful]

Lewis gun was using it as cooling, not sound suppression.

Rick - I think if you read it again and visit some of the links you will see that the straw that broke the camels back appears to have been.


Philosophies include among others; the military mentality will no longer be a part of OSS, a 20% return rate and ship now fix later philosophy is acceptable, and the weight of devices is the sole determining factor above ALL else moving forward.


When making suppressors you have to balance the needs of the product to make it something that is desirable. While some would buy a can that's only the quietest, other's will buy the cheapest, and still other's will buy the toughest. Everyone has different priorities, but I don't think much of a company that has 20% return rate on new product.

[Rick Hodges]

Artful,
I don't know squat about suppressors but I do know a little about human nature. I am just saying that the allegations are being made by a disenchanted ex honcho of a company who got aced out by his investors. What he says may be true, and might just be sour grapes. I guess time will tell. If I were looking for a suppressor I would stay clear of this at least until the dust settles. I guess that is what he wants.

[Artful]

Oh, I have tried my share of "new" idea suppressors and will stick with more tried and true until these have a longer track record - as to who's the corporate winner - I find it telling when a company starts hemorrhaging good workers.