New .41 magnum coming

[Lefty SRH]

I have a new .41 mag coming very soon. This one is pretty significant to me, it will complete my 3 gun Super Blackhawk Bisley Hunter collection.
Im looking for a new mold to cast some pills. I have a 230gr LFN mold already but id like something a little heavier, like the 250gr range.
Which would you choose and why?

noebulletmolds.com/NV/product_info.php?cPath=40&products_id=2191 (http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/product_info.php?cPath=40&products_id=2191)

www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=41-250F-D.png (http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=41-250F-D.png)

www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=41-250F-D.png (http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=41-250F-D.png)

Not sure if I want to jump up to the 265gr class but I am considering this one also.
www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=41-250F-D.png (http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=41-250F-D.png)

Some are drawn with gas checks so please disregard. The final decision will be plain base.

[Mica_Hiebert]

I like the .330 meplat on the NOE than the .370 of the accurate. Looks almost like a full wad cutter.

[dkf]

A 250gr with a meplat that large is more than plenty IMO. Even a .330" metplat is pretty large for a .41 bullet.

May also want to consider signing up for this one, original keith design. http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,1299.0.html

[Oklahoma Rebel]

out to 100 yards, which is typically more accurate, the SWC (keith style) or the RNFP like I shoot out of my 45-70, the lee mold is 457-405rnf, they are still using the 1-20 twist right?

[chuckbuster]

I have the NOE 411-251 and a MiHec 413-265 "Trueshot" and I think I can round up some 265gr "Keith" SWC's. They are all GC versions but be glad to send you a few if you want to try them. My Bisley Hunter will pretty much stack any of them, better than I can hold them I am sure of that. With 2x Scope I have shot 1.5" groups at 50yds, between 3-4" at 100, all off sand bags of course. 100 yards pretty hard for me to see better than that with the 2x I am afraid.
Let me know if you want some samples.
Kevin

[runfiverun]

I'm not sure what your plans for the gun are but IMO your taking the 41 and are trying to make it into a 44 [which you already have] when you go past about 220grs.
going heavier negates the advantages the 41 has compared to the 44.

[osteodoc08]

My favorite and most accurate 41 "heavy" is the accurate 411250V mold that casts an approx 250-255gr WFNGC boolit that would make Veral proud. It is an interpretation of the 255gr LBT WFNGC design.

[osteodoc08]

Hodgdon claims 1540-1560fps with a 265gr LFNGC in the 41

Hodgdon also claims 1440fps with a 270gr SpGD in the 44.

Both of these are max velocity for those weights and projectiles on Hodgdons online resources.

Not exactly an apples to apples comparison, however the 41 can approach 44 speeds with similar weights while retaining better SD and thus, penetration.

[DougGuy]

+1 what Run5 said..

As always, check cylinder throats.. See what will go into the front of the throats and what won't..

[cainttype]

Having heavier than "normal" weights in a 41 make as much sense as going heavier than nominal weights in any other handgun cartridge. I enjoy having mould options casting over 158 gr in 38, over 240 gr in 44, over 250 gr in 45, and yes... over 210-220 in 41.
I have, and enjoy, several 41 moulds fitting that description. The previously mentioned NOE 411-251 WFN and MP 412-265 TS are among them, and both very fine designs.
Adding the cup-nose, small HP, and large HP options (RG) to the NOE will allow you to taylor any 41 to perform in a huge variety of ways. It would probably not be the best long-range (100+ yards) available because of the large meplat, but you'd be hard-pressed to find a better all-around THUMPER for any medium game in the USA using a 41 Mag of any barrel length at close-to-moderate ranges.

[cainttype]

A difference other than meplate you might consider between the examples you posted (NOE 411-251 and ACC 41-250F) is the seating depth, or amount of bullet outside the case. The NOE will offer a little more powder space, if you're interested in such things. :)
It was actually part of the reason for that particular mould design when it originally ran as a group buy.

[cainttype]

My favorite and most accurate 41 "heavy" is the accurate 411250V mold that casts an approx 250-255gr WFNGC boolit that would make Veral proud. It is an interpretation of the 255gr LBT WFNGC design.

I didn't see that drawing, but there was a 41-265V that appeared to be an LBT clone.
I'm curious about the 411250V's specs, but can't locate a drawing. Was it cataloged when you ordered it, or was it a product resulting from a conversation with Tom?
Accurate is definitely one of the very best mould producers available.

[osteodoc08]

I didn't see that drawing, but there was a 41-265V that appeared to be an LBT clone.
I'm curious about the 411250V's specs, but can't locate a drawing. Was it cataloged when you ordered it, or was it a product resulting from a conversation with Tom?
Accurate is definitely one of the very best mould producers available.


My notes say 411250V, but perhaps I misread it. It looks like the 411250 UG......I'll double check when I get home tonight. I do have several early Accurate molds my late father purchased that are listed under a different cataloge number currently.

[Groo]

Groo here
Before you go order a mold , get some Penn 41mag heavy weights.
They are the SSK 295gr bullet [I have the mold] that acts like a drill press.
You might also get some heavies from some other companies ,shoot and decide.
I did the heavy boolet thing and found out that unless you have many FEET of meat and bone to go through,
there is little need for them.
I now use 200 to 230 bullets in my 41mags.

[cainttype]

The huge SSK 295, with it's truncated cone and smaller meplat, has almost nothing similar design-wise to the moulds the OP is asking about. It was designed for exactly what Groo describes, DEEP penetration.
Although I use multiple 41 moulds in the 210-230 wt range (have done so for almost 4 decades, and love them), I'd likely keep the NOE 251 gr WFN in the RG configuration at the top of the "Most Versatile" list.
I'd not consider it as a top long-range option, although I have only tested it to 100 yds.

I would not hesitate to use the standard WFN (non-hp) for anything the 41 is considered capable of handling in the field, and would choose it over most other available standard options.

[RJM52]

Congratulations on your find...Hunters are GREAT guns...

Lots of good boolits out there for the Bisley Hunter... I had both the Bisley and SBH configurations and they both shot well no matter what you put in them.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/RJM52/Single%20Action/DSCF6065.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/RJM52/Single%20Action/DSCF6101.jpg

The Accurate 41-250F is a mold I asked for after having shot the 41-215V. I was after a heavyweight wide meplat mold for the Freedom Arms 97 that has a short cylinder. I have shot the bullet out to 100 yards and even with that wide a meplat it is still stable and accurate cutting nice round holes. That said there are much better bullets, especially for long range work, than the F.

215V

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/RJM52/Single%20Action/20140524_122851_zpsb131a551.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/RJM52/Bullet%20Tests/20150422_150336_zpsh67tih86.jpg

The mold I had cut has two Fs and two Ls. The L is a gascheck boolit and is exceeding accurate.

215V 250F 250L

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/RJM52/Bullet%20Tests/004_zpscfim9sap.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/RJM52/Single%20Action/20150310_100853_zpsb48fd026.jpg



http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/RJM52/Single%20Action/20150309_131736_zpsda430db0.jpg



100 yards from a 5.5" Gary Reeder Custom. Three bullets in one spot, one a little lower and I pulled the last shot low just off the steel...this is the L/22.0 H110 load.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/RJM52/Single%20Action/20150608_133023_zpseky4gdix.jpg


From a 5.5" barrel velocity with a 250 runs 1450 fps+- with 21-22 grains of H110. 300 grain bullets run in the mid to upper 1200s with 18-19 grains.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/RJM52/Single%20Action/20150608_122717_zpsayqexlgv.jpg

The Accurate 265V would be a hard boolit to beat for a one bullet heavy for a long barrel gun. With the 7.5" barrel and 21+- grains of H110 you will be in the 1400s...

Bob

[osteodoc08]

I didn't see that drawing, but there was a 41-265V that appeared to be an LBT clone.
I'm curious about the 411250V's specs, but can't locate a drawing. Was it cataloged when you ordered it, or was it a product resulting from a conversation with Tom?
Accurate is definitely one of the very best mould producers available.


It it is marked AM411250V on the 3c Brass mold.

It is the same as the current catalogue 411250 UG

[Lefty SRH]

Hodgdon claims 1540-1560fps with a 265gr LFNGC in the 41

Hodgdon also claims 1440fps with a 270gr SpGD in the 44.

Both of these are max velocity for those weights and projectiles on Hodgdons online resources.

Not exactly an apples to apples comparison, however the 41 can approach 44 speeds with similar weights while retaining better SD and thus, penetration.

The data Ive seen from Hodgdon also uses a 10 1/2" barrel. I take their results like a grain of salt when it come to their claimed velocity.

[Lefty SRH]

I dont have any exact intentions for my .41 mag. Im NOT trying to turn it into a .44mag either. Personally I prefer a slightly heavier than normal boolit.

[osteodoc08]

The data Ive seen from Hodgdon also uses a 10 1/2" barrel. I take their results like a grain of salt when it come to their claimed velocity.

While I don't disagree with the premise of optimistic velocity, the point of the comparison is that many discount the capabilities of the 41 Magnum. It was just a quick comparison to show that the 41 Magnum is no slouch and is extremely capable.

[Lefty SRH]

Ideally, what should the .41mag cylinder throats measure?

[Markbo]

What? No .357 SBH Hunter???? ;)

[RJM52]

Ideally, what should the .41mag cylinder throats measure?

Mine all seem to be between .409 and .410