woods carry load for 45acp.

[Groo]

Groo here
I am looking to put together a woods load.
The bullet will be a 200gr swc HC of the 68 style.
Kind of like the 45-08 load .
The guns will be #1 XDM 5.25
#2 S&W 325 Thunder ranch
#3 in a pinch [extreme measure] S&W sw1911 Pro compact [ Officer]
What powders might I start with ? [ Cooper used 7.5 of Unique for around 1200fps]
I don't see shooting many after testing, just part of my "kit".

[Ramjet-SS]

I am a fan of Unique in the 45 ACP but have also had great performance with Universal.
I also prefer 230 grain bullets in the 45 ACP

[44MAG#1]

When there are cast bullets with a flat nose that is much larger in diameter than the "68" style of bullet, such as the Saeco 058 why would you use a "68" style of bullet?
My guns will feed that bullet well.
It weighs 215 to 217gr. with an alloy close to Lyman #2 and will reach good velocities.

[Artful]

Ah, from the way back mentality - I miss Dean Grennell and his experiments like the 45 Super.

Two powders that worked well - Unique and Blue Dot - I gave up on the lighter bullets in cast, (but still used the Flying Ashtray from Speer) and switched to RCBS 45 colt SWC.

You lost a couple of hundred fps but the impact on reactive targets was much better.

Be careful with those heavy loads - it has damaged more than one pistol. Check with the mfg to see if your's are
rated +P and or 45 Super loads.

[Char-Gar]

You are on the right track. One of the old standard 45 ACP targets bullets like H&G #68 or Lyman 452160 pushed 850 to 900 fps, makes a dandy load for the brush, desert, mountains or woods.

I was never a big fan of Cooper and think some of his souped up 45 ACP loads bordered on being foolish.

For the above mentioned loads, I like 4.8/Bulleye, 6.5/Unique or 7.5/AA5 (The original Israeli made version).

[Hickok]

I am a fan of Unique in the 45 ACP but have also had great performance with Universal.
I also prefer 230 grain bullets in the 45 ACP+1. I use Unigue and a 230 gr Lee http://leeprecision.com/mold-6-cav-tl452-230tc.html.

Just about a duplicate of the old .45 Schofield round.

[runfiverun]

for kicking around with the acp I like a 225gr rnfp from the 45 colt on top of about 6 grs of unique or @ 5 grs of something a little faster green-dot-P/B speed [my preferred load] it duplicates the schofield round very closely and nips at the original colts ballistics.

[Blackwater]

Way back when Cooper was making big waves and garnering attention, I tried and fired his old load of 8 gr. Unique with various 185-200 gr. bullets, both jacketed and cast. I fired several thousand of them, too, but I agree with Char-Gar, and now don't load anwhere near that level any more. From experience, I can recommend Unique, but an exact amount is hard to pin down because bullets from different molds stick down in the case to different depths, and thus, affect internal capacity for the load variously. Therefore, the loads will vary. I haven't used more than 7.2 gr. of Unique with 200's in a long time, now. I got away with the overloads because I had an extra power spring in my gun, recoil buffer, and everything I could do to it to keep it perking. Today, I'll only use one step up from the std. springs, and if that won't do it, I go to a whole 'nother gun instead of the 1911 platform. It's great, but it DOES have its limitations, just like everything does.

One powder you might want to take a look at is CFE Pistol. I haven't tried it so can give no testimonials yet, but Hodgdon's Annual Manuals have data for it with 200 gr. SWC's, and they're showing a gain of about 100 fps. with it over other powders, and at std. pressures. Powders seem to do that occasionally, but I'm always skeptical anyway. The big problem with the ACP is that you can't use primer appearance as a guage to the pressures you're getting. No pistol primer made, that I'm familiar with at least, will show pressure indications at the pressure levels at which the .45 works. This makes me stay with good, proven data these days. I just don't heal as quickly as I used to, and suddenly found one day I'm not immortal any more.

Personally, if there are bears etc. in your woods, I'd go with the 200's rather than 230's and hard metals to aid penetration. What I found years ago was the faster 200's penetrated most mediums better than the 230's, and it seemed to be the velocity difference that allowed them to do that. YMMV, and it'd be good to do some of your own tests with your bullets and alloys and loads. There really ARE things in the woods that go bump in the night!

[nagantguy]

Not a roll your own solution but buffalo bore just came out with a wood load 45 acp ,believe it's a 250 wide flat nose loaded to +p, just read the little teaser in GUNS mag but I have great respect and have gotten good results from Buffalo bore.

[swmass]

Cant give you a powder but I can say if I had to carry a 45acp as a woods load... it would be lead, it would be a flat nose, and it would be hot. The "slow and heavy" vs "light and fast" debate could go on forever... For 45acp I think I'd choose a little more speed with a 200 grain versus a heavier bullet just like you said. 200 grains is plenty Wish I could be more help, try searching for some maxed out 200gn SWC loads and see what powder people are running in their hot 200 grain loads.

[ole 5 hole group]

The Buffalo Bore load is a 255 grain cast zipping along at approximately 950 fps from a 5" 1911. You can duplicate that load with various powders on the market. The powders I use for 255 & 265 grain cast are VV N340 & N350. Those are also good powders for 230 grain jacketed or cast. You can surely download a little also, if you don't like running a buffer & maybe an oversized firing pin stop.:wink:

[johniv]

You don't say what you plan to shoot with your "woodsload" I agree that "uncle Jeff" loaded em hot. I have found that the Lyman #452423 loaded to 1.200 OAL over 6.0 gr. of Unique gives me 860 fps from a 5" Colt. IF your gun will feed them. All of mine do, but not all of them like this load, one series 70 gives scary looking primers, but then it does the same with +p factory loads as well. By the way I got this load from a manual that listed 6.3 as max.
FWIW
John

[Ramjet-SS]

Lyman cast bullet book lists the Lee #TL452-230 5.7 grains of Unique 874 FPS C.U.P. 17800

[c1skout]

I use the Lee 200 rnfp over a stout charge of Accurate #7. I've tried the H&G 68 too but it doesn't shoot any better out of my guns, so I stick with the fatter meplat. Mine are mostly used from my Blackhawk, but the rnfp feeds well from the 3 bottom feeders I've tried it in.

[Hickok]

Can't take credit for this idea, as Mike Venturino brought it up.

Just wonder if this boolit would feed well in a any of the newer Colt clones that are properly throated to feed hollow-points? The wide meplat would sure hit hard.

159792RCBS cowboy mold, 45-230

[Outer Rondacker]

I carry a 10mm in the woods with HARD case lead. If I was going to carry a Jword bullet it would be a TC. I want it to go deep. Sorry I can not help on the 45 load as I only play with 45acp when plinking. Others have said great things.

[Windwalker 45acp]

I guess it all depends on what's in the woods with you! :D


My woods load is 452-230tl over 6.3~ of Unique, but the first round (chambered) is cut-down 243 brass and sized down to hold some #7 shot for snakes.... the rest of the mag is 230's for the walking type of snakes or coyotes, coydogs, etc.

[frank505]

Saeco#058 with 7.5 grains of power pistol is my load in the as five and four inch 1911. Flat firing pin stops, 26#mainsprings and fairly heavy recoil spring keeps them going forever. Occasional use of a 250 at 900 hasn't hurt either pistol.

[Rodfac]

For my .45's, I like any of the better 200 gr SWC's...HG 68 style. Win 231 does a nice job and I don't push the load, accuracy is superb at 5.5 gr +- 0.1 gr. Velocity is over 800 fps with all the smack that I feel I need here in the wilds of KY. Rod

[AnthonyB]

That RCBS 45-230CM is my absolute favorite non-custom mould for the 45 ACP. The BD45ACP is my favorite custom design, but I highly recommend the RCBS to those without access to the custom moulds we have run. It feeds reliably in everything, and over 6.0 grains Unique does everything I need a handgun to do.
Tony

[Treeman]

I have tested a couple of .45acp 200grRNF +P loads in a Ruger P90 (I don't have a 1911-forgive the sacrilege). Both of these are pressure tested loads. 8.5grains of PowerPistol does a bit over 1000fps at 19,900 CUP-Source Texas Ammunition/Jan Libourel. 9.7gr of HS6 was tested by Hodgdon(Manual#26)at 19,500CUP for 1056fps. I've shot both. Both shot well ...and are "perky".For some reason I liked the Power Pistol load more but have forgotten why-it might be just because I have several pounds of PPistol!
The only bad thing about this load is that it almost made getting a 10mm superfluous.....but I got one anyway so now I have to choose which one to carry!

[C. Latch]

About a year and a half ago I experimented with ~250-grain flat points (a NOE 452-230HP, cast as a flat point, weighs around 250 from COWW) and stiff charges of 800-x in a 1911 I'd set up with a square-bottomed firing pin stop, heavier springs, etc.

What I found was that I could get up to 900' or so, but at the expense of reliability. With a tight two-handed hold the gun ran fine; hold it loosely or with one hand and you were guaranteed a limp-wrist jam.

After a great deal of thought I decided I'd rather have a reliable gun with less velocity. The remaining 250's ended up loaded to around 800' MV, and they work fine that way.

[jcren]

Gotta say, 255 grain swc's hit like a sledge hammer. We used to shoot real bowling pins for fun. 9's usually took several hits to knock off the table, 200 swc 45's knocked them over with authoriy, 185 grain rf over 7.2 of unique hits hard and would blow chips off, but 255 swc over 5.8 grains of unique would split a pin like fire wood and send both halves flying several feet.

[doc1876]

I am fond of IMR4227 in my revolvers, but don't find anyone using it in 45acp. Why not?

[MtGun44]

4.8 of Titegroup or Bullseye under an H&G 68 will make about 850 fps, is accurate, moderate
recoil and will knock the sox off whatever you shoot with it.

Bill

[C. Latch]

I am fond of IMR4227 in my revolvers, but don't find anyone using it in 45acp. Why not?

4227 is generally thought of as a magnum pistol powder for larger cases and heavier bullets. I'd think that it would be horribly dirty and underpowered if you tried to use it in the .45 ACP.

[lightload]

Your choice of 200 gr boolit and 7 grs Unique will make an outstanding defense load and not blow up your pistol. It will penetrate completely humans and deer size game and should be adequate on hogs. My opinion is that hot loading the .45 acp accomplishes little. The 200 gr cast boolit at standard pressure is fine. Been there and done that--Cooper as well as Keith.

[Hickok]

That RCBS 45-230CM is my absolute favorite non-custom mould for the 45 ACP. The BD45ACP is my favorite custom design, but I highly recommend the RCBS to those without access to the custom moulds we have run. It feeds reliably in everything, and over 6.0 grains Unique does everything I need a handgun to do.
TonyAnthony, thanks, that was what I wanting to hear. It looks like it would be a great boolit in the 1911 if it feeds properly.

[Groo]

Groo here
The old CCI Blazer Combat Match was a 200 plated swc at 960fps.
That is my minimum.

[Good Cheer]

Just my two cents...
It's a hard ball contour mold that feeds great and got hollow pointed so it expands great.

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy192/SNARGLEFLERK/mysterymetal_zpsb27efe0f.jpg (http://s791.photobucket.com/user/SNARGLEFLERK/media/mysterymetal_zpsb27efe0f.jpg.html)

[roverboy]

Anybody ever use Herco in .45 ACP? I'm asking because I've got several pounds of it. It has worked for me good in .38 and .357 Mag. I don't have .45 dies yet but, am going to in a little while.

[Groo]

Just my two cents...
It's a hard ball contour mold that feeds great and got hollow pointed so it expands great.

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy192/SNARGLEFLERK/mysterymetal_zpsb27efe0f.jpg (http://s791.photobucket.com/user/SNARGLEFLERK/media/mysterymetal_zpsb27efe0f.jpg.html)


Groo here
Hp fine for SD where you don't want pass through.
Not what is needed for a woods / hunting type load.
You can't predict location,direction, or what you will need to go through, where as in SD
the target and damage requirements are known and the distances are short.

[warboar_21]

Can't take credit for this idea, as Mike Venturino brought it up.

Just wonder if this boolit would feed well in a any of the newer Colt clones that are properly throated to feed hollow-points? The wide meplat would sure hit hard.

159792RCBS cowboy mold, 45-230
I loaded several in ACP and shot them through my Kimber. I bought the mold for my convertible Blackhawk. I didn't hot rod it but did use unique.

[brassrat]

I blasted a few 185 XTPs, a couple weeks ago and, liked the group and feel, so loaded some more, for carry. Lots of PP.

[Flinchrock]

Gotta say, 255 grain swc's hit like a sledge hammer. We used to shoot real bowling pins for fun. 9's usually took several hits to knock off the table, 200 swc 45's knocked them over with authoriy, 185 grain rf over 7.2 of unique hits hard and would blow chips off, but 255 swc over 5.8 grains of unique would split a pin like fire wood and send both halves flying several feet.

I tried out 6.2 Unique under 255's back in 1982 with no problems, shot pdg too. never killed anything with it though.

[Flinchrock]

4.8 of Titegroup or Bullseye under an H&G 68 will make about 850 fps, is accurate, moderate
recoil and will knock the sox off whatever you shoot with it.

Bill

4.8 Bullseye under 68's gives me 850 fps +/- 25 fps in my 1911, and it IS a great shooter! :D

But for carry I use 5.2 N320, gives me 955 fps and shoots just as good.
I think it would be adequate for close range deer or medium hogs if my shootin' is good, and maybe even the fabled "ManBearPig". :wink:

[StrawHat]

Groo,

Been watching this thread as I carry a similar revolver, well, at least it is 45 ACP. It is not 200 grains but it does have a good meplat, the SAECO 253, 235 grain full wadcutter. It won't work in your Officers Model but in the two revolvers you mentioned, it should do fine.

[EDK]

Back in the "pre-compensator and pre-38 Super days," the IPSC shooters thought that 5.8 of 231 under a H&G 68 200 grainer was THE LOAD. I hadn't shot my NOVAK S&W 645s or S&W 625s in some time, but got a GLOCK 41 recently. After shooting 9mm in GLOCKS since June, the 41 was a bit too much fun with the vintage ammo I found. I have loaded down to 5.0 of 231/HP38 and no cycling problems. I did get a KKM barrel...the OEM was a little tough on brass and I have had good results with KKM in the 9mm.
I'd load the H&G 68 with what I could control in the auto loads. I've also got the NOE full wadcutter 45 mould...don't remember the weight...and it would be tempting in a revolver with moon clips. Reloads for revolver should have a better contour for speed loads than either of the two bullet mentioned above. IF you need to reload after 6+ rounds of 45acp, you have major problems.

[Hickok]

I loaded several in ACP and shot them through my Kimber. I bought the mold for my convertible Blackhawk. I didn't hot rod it but did use unique.Thanks Warboar, since Anthony and you have tried this boolit, I am going to get that mold sometime in the future. Also nice to hear it worked in a Kimber, as that is what my 1911 is too.

[warboar_21]

Thanks Warboar, since Anthony and you have tried this boolit, I am going to get that mold sometime in the future. Also nice to hear it worked in a Kimber, as that is what my 1911 is too.
I will check at home and see if I still have some. If so I will mail you out some to try for yourself if would like.

[justashooter]

I use heavy loads of blue dot under 225 grain SWC for 1150 FPS in a S&W 25-2, from time to time. it sounds like a lot, but in such a heavy gun it's not so bad.

[Hickok]

I will check at home and see if I still have some. If so I will mail you out some to try for yourself if would like.Warboar, sent you a pm.

[EDK]

Back in the day, the IPSC shooters used the H&G 68 with 5.8 of 231 in standard length 1911s. I bought 8 pounders...when available!...of TITEGROUP, HP38(231) and most recently PROMO (RED DOT clone.)

This thread has convinced me that I need a LEE 452-230-TC mould to try out.

[Blackwater]

A friend of mine has recently asked himself the same question, and he's settled on AutoComp with the 230 gr. XTP and a 200 gr. SWC cast with Bullseye. The 230 is doing a little short of 900 fps. and will be his deer load for the upcoming deer season where all shots will be under 100 yds. He's an outstanding shot, and I expect his deer to take only one shot each. If all he's got is his lead bullets, he's confident they'll fall to them going a little better than 850 fps. It really doesn't take all that much to reliably kill a deer PROVIDED you put it in just the right place. He's had a bad habit over the years of shooting them in the head with his pistols. At bow hunting distances, there's really no reason why a good, cool shot shouldn't be able to do this, but it HAS to hit the CNS. That's the big deal in it all. A hit in the snout will only grievously wound it to die a horrible death. Those who've learned and trained themselves to shoot really well should have no problem doing this at bow hunting ranges. The main thing is knowing how to move V-E-R-Y S-L-O-W-L-Y and not alerting them that they're about to breathe their last, or moving only when their heads are turned. On that last, though, be advised their eyes are toward the sides of their heads and CAN see behind them to a much larger degree than we can. Little bits of info like that DO make a difference in the field!

[44MAG#1]

Again, why would anyone use a small meplat bullet such as the various #68 clones when the Saeco 058 bullet is available and has a large diameter meplat?
Doesnt make any sense.

[prsman23]

$$$$$$$$

[StrawHat]

Again, why would anyone use a small meplat bullet such as the various #68 clones when the Saeco 058 bullet is available and has a large diameter meplat?
Doesnt make any sense.

Why not the SAECO 453? A 45 caliber wadcutter. If launched at 850 or 900 fps, it should hit like a sledge.

160710

Kevin

[44MAG#1]

"the SAECO 453? A 45 caliber wadcutter. If launched at 850 or 900 fps, it should hit like a sledge."

How well will that bullet feed in a semi-auto?
I am trying to be realistic.

[johnson1942]

i would think your talking about the woods of ohio and not traveling to rocky mountains to carry a 45 auto in the woods or alaska. a 45 auto would take care of a mountain lion as they are not too hard to kill but bigger than that it would just be makeing noise.

[9.3X62AL]

A couple comments on questions within the thread......Herco powder, first. I have lots of it, too. It is GREAT fuel in the 28 gauge shotgun and heavier 12 gauge loads, very good in magnum revolvers loaded down to the 950-1100 FPS velocity level with plain-base castings, and a little slow but friendly in 38 Special and 45 ACP. It runs about 5%-10% slower than Unique, based on my chronograph results. It is a little dirty in 45 ACP, but that's why I buy Hoppe's #9 in the pint bottles. Make haste slowly with ALL of the Alliant shotshell powders--in many handgun applications we run these fuels at pressures well above their intended working environment--less than 14K PSI in most shotshells. Blue Dot in particular has done squirrelly stuff in extreme cold and/or at high-end pressures (north of 30K PSI).

I'm not sure we gain much performance by running the 45 ACP at pressures higher than SAAMI +P. Even hard cast or FMJs are already .45" wide, and that is a BIG hole. The 230 grainers can be run at close to 900 FPS without much strain on most pistols; my old shop's carry load remains the W-W Ranger SXT 230, and they clock 875-900 FPS from 5" barrels and are non-+P. It would seem that 200 grainers could be sent in the 1000 FPS speed slot, and 185s to nearly 1100 FPS if you are so inclined.

I'm not so inclined. I like how most 45 ACP pistols with fixed sights place the 230 grainers at 850-900 FPS right where the sights are looking. A few days ago I uncrated about 25# of the BD45 castings I made some years back with a borrowed mould. It is a GREAT bullet, and feeds in all of my 45s very well. I suspect the RCBS 45-230-CM would do likewise. I REALLY like the Lee 230 truncated cone design, too. Lyman #452374 works even in my bro-in-law's balky Series 70 Gold Cup. (Do you see a pattern emerging?) I do have a Lee version of the H&G #68 200 grainer that everybody copies (poorly), and a 4-banger Lyman #452460. These last two get used in my Gold Cup at about 800 FPS for paper-punching and for any itinerant varmint that shows himself in a safe-to-shoot area going to or from a range site. Hate to shoot rats or jacks with hard-to-find and expensive factory ammo meant for sterner circumstances.

We don't (yet) have The Griz or wolves back in California, but not from lack of effort on the part of tree huggers to re-establish both here. Our currently-available black bears and mountain lions can and have provided sufficient entertainment for Marie and I over the years, and a side iron is not my preferred counter-measure for those encounters. Something with a bit more authority provides great comfort.......not necessarily belt-fed, but a lever or bolt rifle of 30 caliber or greater gets my vote. I have employed a 223 bottom-feeder to dissuade two-legged and dispatch four-legged vermin, but the rat guns tend to stay home these days in favor of the Win 94 opened up to 38-55. 250 grains cast as a soft point sent at 1850 FPS sends all the right signals.

[StrawHat]

"the SAECO 453? A 45 caliber wadcutter. If launched at 850 or 900 fps, it should hit like a sledge."

How well will that bullet feed in a semi-auto?
I am trying to be realistic.


So am I, the OP mentioned two revolvers. Just cause it is a 45 ACP doesn't mean it is a self loader.

Kevin

[44MAG#1]

"So am I, the OP mentioned two revolvers. Just cause it is a 45 ACP doesn't mean it is a self load."

What do you think his number one gun listed is?
What is a XDm? Would that be a Springfield semi?

[StrawHat]

My mistake, I was going from memory, should have looked.

I have no idea what an XDm is.

Since it seems to be important to you, you win.

Kevin

[44MAG#1]

"I have no idea what an XDm is."

I do.

[Virginian]

I am a fan of Unique in the 45 ACP but have also had great performance with Universal.
I also prefer 230 grain bullets in the 45 ACP

Unique fan here as well. A little messy with powder residue but very accurate for me.

[Groo]

Groo here
44mag#1
The reason for a smaller meplat is to control how deep the boolet will go.
Unlike a mag revolver, the auto does not have extra "horsepower" to drive a heavy boolet with a large mepla.
The trick is to balance weight , speed and meplat size in a smaller package at lower pressure.
Keith liked 1100 to 1200fps with meplat of about 65% that is what I want to shoot for.
The 200gr 68 swc is about the heaviest flat nose bullet that will feed and be accurate at a speed that comes close.
PS Also this is similar to the 45-08 load that was tested and proved in Canada by Gudes.

[44MAG#1]

Groo,

The Saeco 058 has a bearing length very, very, very, close to the #68 H&G.
There should be vertually no real difference between the two velocity wise.
You are not going to find any pressure tested loads for the #68 that will give that velocity even at +P loads.
Maybe 1050 with a 5 inch gun is all.
And really wouldn't you rather maybe have 50 FPS less velocity using a larger meplat bullet rather than 50 FPS faster with a piddling meplat designed to paper punch?
If one is going to carry the gun for animals or something else I know I sure would.
Think about the meplats people are using in revolvers. Why would one want to limit themselves with a semi?
Doesnt make sense unless one hasn't thought it out.
By the way the 058 weighs 215 grains. What did you think it weighed? That is only 15 grains more than the average #68. Is that a huge difference???
Maybe I am missing something in the way I am looking at the performance level of the two velocity wise? Am I?

[Groo]

Groo here
44mag#1
Yes you have missed the point.
For the most part, Auto pistols will not feed large meplat bullets.
Unlike a revolver, there is no room for "extra long" bullets and limited case space.
Bullets with larger meplats slow down faster[aka don't go as deep ] than smaller ones.
I AM making a round that will work in 45 acp auto or revolver.
I have come to the realization that we have forgotten that what works for most shooting is not super heavy / big meplat
bullets but normal weight/ meplat bullets.
Keith had access to heaver bullets but stayed with the 245gr 44/44m bullet [and used it at "long" ranges!]
JM Browning's original 45 acp load was a 200gr bullet at 900 fps.
I have gone down the super heavy bullet road a "long" time ago and have come back to the more normal weights.
I am just speeding things up some for some more depth and easier hitting at range.

[44MAG#1]

Groo,

I am not talking about heavy bullets. For goodness sake. Unless you call a 215 gr bullet heavy. The Meplat is larger than normal but it feeds for me in a full size 1911, a 3 in compact 1911 and an XDs with a 3.3 inch barrel.
How do you know that bullet won't penetrate deeply enough???
In my tests it does very well as far as penetration.
It would be better that piddling meplat on most.
Oh well, you are locked into your own ideas so have at it.

[35remington]

Given that a full wadcutter shape in a nondeforming bullet will penetrate more than adequately at 45 ACP velocities and vastly more than expanding hollowpoints, criticizing a 45 bullet with a meplat that doesn't approach that as "underpenetrative" is clearly not right. It will penetrate plenty, but it also must feed reliably.

In a revolver, shoot whatever you want that has a flat point. If accuracy beyond 60 yards is not a concern that can be a full wadcutter or whatever floats your boat other than a wadcutter if the range capability needs to be somewhat longer.

Look at the RCBS Cowboy RNFP in 45. Generous meplat in near 230 grain weight that feeds quite reliably. Underpenetrative? Not hardly.

[Groo]

Groo,

I am not talking about heavy bullets. For goodness sake. Unless you call a 215 gr bullet heavy. The Meplat is larger than normal but it feeds for me in a full size 1911, a 3 in compact 1911 and an XDs with a 3.3 inch barrel.
How do you know that bullet won't penetrate deeply enough???
In my tests it does very well as far as penetration.
It would be better that piddling meplat on most.
Oh well, you are locked into your own ideas so have at it.

Groo here
The 45-08 as developed in Canada is a 200gr SWC hard cast #68 bullet at 1300 from a 5in 1911.
The load and gun are well tested by Guides and has been known to go through a black bear end to end.
I was just loading it down some for safety.

[44MAG#1]

I'll tell you what would solve your problems unless you you are weak and can't carry much weight.
A Desert Eagle in 44 Mag. That would give enough penetration accuracy, low recoil.

[Groo]

Groo here
Got one

[44MAG#1]

Groo here
Got one
Problem solved then.