Annealers

[TXGunNut]

Been reading threads about annealing and annealers for awhile and thinking pretty serious about the Bench Source machine BACO is offering. I've considered the simpler methods but suspect the machines give a more consistent result, at least they would in my case. Anyone with any experience with this machine or another that works in a similar fashion? I have a fair bit of brass standing by and I think an upcoming project would benefit from more consistent case necks.

[BK7saum]

I have a Giraud annealer that I use. I haven't used it much but am pleased so far.

Brad

[VHoward]

I have the annealeez machine. It works well for me. http://annealeez.ddns.net/

[Doc Highwall]

I have the Bench Source, what I like about it is that it has two torches and the case spins while it is in the flame. I also like the dial for adjusting the amount of time that the case in actually in the flame.

I do have on order the Annealing Made Perfect and my unit is supposed to be delivered this month. I admit that it is a little pricey, but check out how it works and I think you will agree that it is hi tech.

What I really like is there are no torches to adjust for height or distance from the case neck.

http://www.ampannealing.com/

[bullet maker 57]

Giraud is coming out with an induction coil for his machine IIRC. I use the standard Giraud annealer. I very happy with my machine.

[lightman]

I also chose the Giraud. One reason was because I was so pleased with his case trimmer. Another reason was because of the hopper. I understand that one should not leave the unit unattended, but I load it up and sit beside it and do other jobs, usually case prep. I think the Bench Source is a little faster, is speed matters to you. I do 7 or 8 223 cases per minute with the Giraud.

[TXGunNut]

Giraud sounds good, I've studied on his case trimmers a bit. Any idea where his machine starts pricewise? Will be interested in early reviews. I really like the AMP unit but quite honestly the price is a bit of a stretch for me and he doesn't have a 45-90 program yet. I like the induction method, first I've heard of it but it sounds like something I need to look at.
Annealeaz seems to be focused on smaller cases.

[M-Tecs]

Giraud sounds good, I've studied on his case trimmers a bit. Any idea where his machine starts pricewise? .

http://www.giraudtool.com/annealer1.htm

[Doc Highwall]

TXGunNut, if you look on the settings section, at the top last paragraph you will see a contributor form highlighted, click on that and you will be able to submit cases that they will use to make a program for your 45-90.

I am going to send some Laupa 6mm BR Norma and 6.5mm BR to make a program for.

[VHoward]

The annealeez come set up for 223. He has cal conversions for 300 black out which is short and for 30-06 size cases which are bigger and longer.. $275 ofr the machine set up for 223. $25 for each conversion which you do.

[jmorris]

Bunch of different versions using "blades" that I make, in this thread.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?48611-finished-the-auto-annealer-today

It holds and centers any case diameter up to 50 BMG or no conversion costs.

[TXGunNut]

Bunch of different versions using "blades" that I make, in this thread.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?48611-finished-the-auto-annealer-today

It holds and centers any case diameter up to 50 BMG or no conversion costs.

I like it, just don't have the time, talent or tools to build something like that.

[TXGunNut]

The annealeez come set up for 223. He has cal conversions for 300 black out which is short and for 30-06 size cases which are bigger and longer.. $275 ofr the machine set up for 223. $25 for each conversion which you do.

I'm looking for something to anneal 35 Rem, 35 Whelen, 45-90, 300 Savage and possibly 32-20 and 38-40.

[dragon813gt]

Not sure how those cases compare. But the Annealeez w/ the large wheels can handle 375 H&H. That's the longest cartridge I reload for.

[TXGunNut]

Not sure how those cases compare. But the Annealeez w/ the large wheels can handle 375 H&H. That's the longest cartridge I reload for.

I like the machine, seems I need to talk with them about my needs.

[TXGunNut]

Watched the Annealeez videos, they have a kit for the 338 Lapua & 45-70 class cartridges so it will handle my big stuff just fine. I like the price and think it will do as well as the Bench Source machine.
Thanks very much for the input, seems I need to kick this around a bit more. Any other thoughts?

[WFO2]

Dam guys I was just about ready to buy the bench source unit .

[PbHurler]

Dam guys I was just about ready to buy the bench source unit .

IMO, you wouldn't be sorry you did.

I love mine, I do .223, .308, .338 & .45/70 with my Bench Source.

I got to admit, the A.M.P. tool is interesting.

I do think one needs to evaluate the comparison between "the perfect anneal" and the perfect shooter & decide which affects consistency / accuracy the most, between the two.

[WFO2]

You probably right just should go ahead mostly do 30 cal .

[rbuck351]

I don't anneal much but when I do I use my lead pot. Set the temp where you want, deprime, dip the necks in oil to keep the lead from sticking, dip the neck in the lead holding with bare fingers until to hot to hold then drop in water.Time how long you can hold the case. Then use pliers to hold the rest of cases. Real cheap, real consistent, fast and easy and you will not get them to hot, there is nothing to build and it fits any size case. And you can hold the lead at what ever temp you want.

[WFO2]

Whats the dwell time on .308 and 300 blackout . I'm ordering Temp paste but was wondering on a starting point .

[VHoward]

I'd start at 5 seconds and work my way up until you hit it.

[Doc Highwall]

Actually I would start at about 3 almost 4 seconds, if the temp paste does not melt you can always run that same case through at a longer time until the temp paste melts. If the time and temperature is too much, not only is that case ruined but you will have to start at a shorter time with a new case.

Different case brands will absorb the heat at different rates, so make sure the case that you applied the temp paste to is the same make as the ones you are going to anneal.

[Big Dog]

this was my way


https://youtu.be/PoYqwGP_jKg

[WFO2]

Good tips thanks I usually sort my brass by head stamp so that's easy enough to record the times for each different one .

[jmorris]

Actually I would start at about 3 almost 4 seconds, if the temp paste does not melt you can always run that same case through at a longer time until the temp paste melts.

This is the way I do it. Start fast and gradually slow the machine just to the point the flame color begins to change from blue to orange then speed it back up slightly.

This is too slow but you can see the color change I am referring to in this video.
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/th_annealer.mp4 (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/annealer.mp4)

This is what your looking for. The flame remains blue, base is cool enough to hold right out of the flames and even color around the case.

Video
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/annealer/th_nottoohot.mp4 (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/annealer/nottoohot.mp4)