Saeco 315 and 4895

[AggiePharmD]

Got a quick question. We'll actually 2 of them. I don't see 4895 listed in my Lyman #48 under the 311041 but 3031 is and it is close to the same burn rate. The boolit weights are fairly equal. Anybody used IMR 4895 with the 315 and if so what was your starting charge?

Also, I've been reading the some folks lube normally and then tumble lube the 315. Is this necessary and what have I missed reading about how this boolit travels down a barrel that it would need the rest of the boolit lubed?

[Ben]

Might get more information if you'll tell us what caliber you're loading.

[AggiePharmD]

Yes I did forget that. 30.06...is there any other? :)

[Ben]

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/google.php?cx=partner-pub-6216953551359885%3A1942134700&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=30-06+Saeco+315&sa.x=0&sa.y=0&siteurl=castboolits.gunloads.com%2Fshowthread.php% 3F294540-Saeco-315-and-4895%26p%3D3469551%23post3469551&ref=castboolits.gunloads.com%2Fforum.php&ss=0j0j1

[Ben]

I've been casting and shooting SAECO # 315 HP's out of my 308 Win. and 30 - 06's. It has turned into one of my all time favorites. I'll be deer hunting this weekend, so today I fine tuned my Rem. 700 , 30 -06 with 20 grs. of 2400 and the SAECO # 315 HP , bullets sized .310 ", with Wolf LR Primers. with the nose of the bullet seated about 1/16 " into the lead of the rifling. Gas checks were seated with the new NOE gas check seating tool. Bullets were sized in a Lee .310 push thru sizer and lubed in a separate operation in a .311 H & I die in my Lyman 45. This group was shot at 80 yards.

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Buckshot Hp'd this one. He did a GREAT job ! !

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When this mold arrived, I noticed that it has a small " burr" on the end of the nose of the bullet. Looks like a small " chip " was spun in the mold by the cherrie. Obviously it does no harm, so I ignore it.

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[AggiePharmD]

We've corresponded via PM on this boolit and I've got my 2400 loads set to test out of my 1917. Had 4895 out making test rounds for my Garand and it set me to thinking about 4895 and the 315.

Thanks for the added info.

[Larry Gibson]

I've used a lot of 4895 of various flavors in the 30-06 under Lyman's 311041HP at 177 gr. I used between 28 and 34 gr depending on flavor of 4895 and velocity need. A 3/4 gr Dacron filler was also used. Suggest you start at 27 gr, use the Dacron filler and work up to 34 gr of your IMR4895 in 1/2 gr increments.

Larry Gibson

[AggiePharmD]

I've used a lot of 4895 of various flavors in the 30-06 under Lyman's 311041HP at 177 gr. I used between 28 and 34 gr depending on flavor of 4895 and velocity need. A 3/4 gr Dacron filler was also used. Suggest you start at 27 gr, use the Dacron filler and work up to 34 gr of your IMR4895 in 1/2 gr increments.

Larry Gibson

My thought was to start at 30 gr so I was in the ball park. Thank for the info. That 3/4 dacron seems to be pretty standard for you. Do you ever increase it to 1 gr or the 3/4 your max?

[Larry Gibson]

You can use a bit more Dacron as a filler w/o any problems but the trick is to use just enough so it is a "filler" and fills the air space between the powder and base of the bullet. I've found that with most powders in the '06 where 28 - 34 gr are used that a 3/4 gr chunk of Dacron does the trick.

BTW; the use of the Dacron filler is pretty much "standard" for me with a certain burning rate of powder in most cartridges where the load density is less than 80 - 85%. With the slow end of the faster burning powders (2400, 4227, 4198, 5744, 4759, etc.) I will use a filler only if the powder does not ignite and burn efficiently at the velocity desired. A lot there depends on the bullet weight, velocity desired and case capacity.

I do not use a filler with the fast burning pistol/shotgun powders regardless of load density. With those I will switch powders using one that gives consistent ignition and burning if one is available.

Sometimes some powders just will not give the performance we want no matter how much we have and how much we really want to use that powder. In those cases I advise to suck it up and use another powder. You can always find an appropriate use for the other powder.

Larry Gibson

[AggiePharmD]

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Sometimes some powders just will not give the performance we want no matter how much we have and how much we really want to use that powder. In those cases I advise to suck it up and use another powder. You can always find an appropriate use for the other powder.

Larry Gibson

This is bout where I am with 2400, 30.06 and my M1917. I want to use the simple battle sight up to 100 yards with cast boolits. I know I'm going about it basackwards and should be finding a load that shoots good and adjusting sights to it but that just isn't how I roll. :) I'm too damn hard headed for that. My final attempt will be with the Saeco 315 and 2400 as I've been trying it with the 311299. This is why I'm asking about other powders.

[AggiePharmD]

Ben I've placed a 315 in a fired case, carefully closed the bolt on said cartridge and removed the mated boolit/cartridge. The boolit is seated really long. Would you happen to have your COAL for you M1917 with the 315 handy? I'd like to see if I'm anywhere in the ball park. I realize the lengths won't be exactly the same. TIA

[Ben]

I'm sorry that I don't.

Ben