New NOE Push-through sizer die set

[Dutchman]

If you are unfamiliar with these new doo-dads see them here:
http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/index.php?cPath=104&osCsid=3g9k32rmgqnlshf7j8f7a0f8f2

My order from NOE arrived today. I purchased only the die body set and one sizer bushing for .268".

I had wondered why the body set was $39.95 but instead of thinking too much I just ordered the set.

What arrived today was a bunch of stuff. The threaded die body, the "pusher" that goes in the shell holder, the size bushing itself stamped with the size, and 5 other pieces that I had no idea what they were for.

But alas! When in doubt read the dang directions! Yes, full color printed directions come with this set of ~things~.

Three of the "things" are what I'd call upside down funnels that are sized for different bullet diameters that are rather guides to the upper ejection port, for lack of a better term. All these parts are beautifully machined.

The other two remaining parts surprised me because I am not of the masochistic breed that, like some of you, size the NOSE portion of a cast bullet to achieve some usually missing sense of nirvana in the spinning of cast bullets down the bore.

This set from NOE allows nose first or base first sizing and.... nose sizing with these 2 extra parts are what I would call the "ejection" punch that you smack down with your hand after sizing the nose of the offending obese cast bullet nose.

I really didn't take the time to learn all the features of what this bushing sizer set actually did before I ordered it and therefore was unprepared for having to actually refer to instructions for what I thought would be a simple extra doo-dad for the loading bench.

Truth be known, I came upon the NOE forum talking about this new product just weeks ago while I was perusing Google-Images studying push-through dies using Titanium Nitride neck sizing bushings. In my machine shop practice I enjoy utilizing ~existing~ technology in innovative ways to achieve the design ultimatum. Instead I saw the NOE idea as a satisfying alternative and there ya go.

The base-first and nose sizing aspects utilize Lyman/RCBS nose punches. All the parts of this set are close tolerance and beautifully machined. Considering the die body and associated parts the $39.95 price isn't out of line. The sizer bushings are $9.75 each and the pusher part for the shell holder are $7.50 each.

Though I've not used this set yet I think it is beautifully designed and executed.


Dutch

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

The other two remaining parts surprised me because I am not of the masochistic breed that, like some of you, size the NOSE portion of a cast bullet to achieve some usually missing sense of nirvana in the spinning of cast bullets down the bore.
Dutchman, you are funny ! lol :bigsmyl2:


Nose sizing...
Not that I am an expert, but I was asked by another member (local to me) about NOE's Bushing Push Through Size Die setup, and when to Nose size. I told him, it's only needed, when it is needed.

If you have a bore riding boolit that has too large of a Nose to fit your rifle, you have few choices...Seat the boolit "way too deep" or sell the mold or size the nose. I am the type to sell the mold, as I have never really seen a good commercial setup to size the nose. It appears NOE has done just that.
that's my 2¢
Jon

[dragon813gt]

Got mine the other day :)
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/dragon813gt/TimeToMakeAmmo/539A94D0-B813-4988-8197-9BE0EA4DD542.jpg (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/dragon813gt/media/TimeToMakeAmmo/539A94D0-B813-4988-8197-9BE0EA4DD542.jpg.html)

Have two more packages arriving w/ the other bushings and rams that I need. Decided to buy them all now because of their year end sale. Should have bought them all on Cyber Monday as it would have saved me more money but that's another issue all together :laugh:

For anyone wondering how they work Al has put the instructions up on the forum: http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,1245.0.html

I created a .pdf version so if anyone wants it I can link it here.

[MrWolf]

Thanks guys. I looked all over the NOE forum and couldn't figure out how they worked. Looks like they will be my next purchase.

[jmort]

Here is the message with instruction link I got when the announcement went out



The message they sent you was:

Got then listed in the web-store
http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/index.php?cPath=104&osCsid=sb4h9i0rmpumbqkn7fovhobjh2
And posted the instruction sheet here:
http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,1245.0.html
Have about 200 sizes to pick from!

[Tailhunter]

I just received one for the .357. Works great.
I like the idea about being able to size most all bullets with the change of a bushing. A lot cheaper when you are looking for the right diameter for any given bore.

Here is a bullet from his 360-180 sized with his pass thru sizer.

ps ... notice the beautiful patmarlin made gas check.

[pdgh59]

I wonder what is the maximum size projectile that can be sized?

[VHoward]

Looks like he offers up to .504 sizer bushings. It was in the OP's first post link he provided.

[Pilgrim Sojourner]

I created a .pdf version so if anyone wants it I can link it here.


Dragon,

I would very much appreciate your .pdf version

[dragon813gt]

155044

Let me know if that works or not. First time I've used the space here for an attachment. I should be able to give a dropbox link if that doesn't work.

[historicfirearms]

Nice looking die set, I now have another tool to buy. Al makes so many things that I need... Now if he would just start making Star sizing dies I would just send him my entire paycheck.

[Pilgrim Sojourner]

155044

Let me know if that works or not. First time I've used the space here for an attachment. I should be able to give a dropbox link if that doesn't work.

Perfect. Thanks.

[str8shot426]

Looks like I can get some of those gas checks up in the neck where they belong now.

[GabbyM]

My order should be here soon. Perhaps tomorrow. I third of a half gallon Lyman 200 grain 311299 to finish then send off to my son in law in AZ. Don't have the AR-15's in 300 Blackout to check bore. Bore ride is very long and the mold cast right on .300". Then any deviance runs you over. These bullets are mostly high tin and aged to grow a few tenths over .300". I believe they will all be struck down a bit. I figure instead of using a micrometer to measure every nose at 3 o'clock intervals. I'll just qualify them in a single pass with a .300" nose die. Will probably order a .299" bushing to size new bullets to allow for aging growth of high tin content bullets. My 30-30 has a dead on .300" bore also and the RCBS 30-180-FN has enough bore ride so they will not chamber if over .300" at all. Also set myself up to size .270" nose for my RCBS 150 grain 270 Winchester bullet. There is simply no end to the amount of toys a grown man can own. NOE saw fit to bring this product online with about every diameter size common. Bold move.

[newton]

I just saw this. Man I must be living under a rock somewhere.

Got a question for you guys who are using this to size the noses on your boolits. How does that work? I get that you swap out the parts, and I read/saw the pictures, but what prevents the smaller diameter sizing of the nose to stop at the right spot and not effect the main boolit body?

[LuckyDog]

Hey Dragon, did that storage case also come with the base sizer kit?

If not, where did you get it? It looks awesome for this application.

¿Lucky?

[Tackleberry41]

No it just comes in the standard box their molds come in. Im gonna say thats a standard utility storage box you buy or a tackle box. I have a bigger one, think thats where I got it was the fishing department at wally world.

I wish NOE had these before I went and bought several Lee units.

[dragon813gt]

No, it's a Plano box that you can buy in the fishing section at Walmart.

[dilly]

Just ordered mine and it's on its way. I have hopes that the nose sizing can get me some reliability in powder coated applications where the bullets have had a bit of nose growth. I also have a spire tip bullet that wants to deform when it's used in a push through sizer, and this will let me use a top punch to base first size. I don't have a normal lube sizer at all, by the way.

Looking forward to tinkering with it.

[newton]

Just ordered mine and it's on its way. I have hopes that the nose sizing can get me some reliability in powder coated applications where the bullets have had a bit of nose growth. I also have a spire tip bullet that wants to deform when it's used in a push through sizer, and this will let me use a top punch to base first size. I don't have a normal lube sizer at all, by the way.

Looking forward to tinkering with it.


If you don't mind, would you post about how it works with just nose sizing? I'm still curious what prevents the bands from being sized. Guess I could just email NOE about it......

[alamogunr]

I just noticed this thread. Going to NOE site, I can only find the list of size dies. Where is the set shown in the instruction?

[Electric88]

It's the very first choice you can make when you click on the "push thru sizers" tab on the left. It is the only item listed for $39.95, everything else is $7.95 or $9.95.

I'm seriously considering getting a set myself

[alamogunr]

I guess I'm on the wrong web site. All I see is "Bushing Push Through Size Die (http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/index.php?cPath=104&osCsid=3g9k32rmgqnlshf7j8f7a0f8f2) (225)" (From the list on the left). Every thing is, as you say, $7.95 or $9.95. I've been thru all 12 pages of dies and no $39.95 item listed.

[Electric88]

Hmmm... you are correct. I just went to the website (hoping to post a link), but it is missing as of right now

[Blammer]

I got my set in the mail a week or so ago, it is absolutely wonderful!

I needed to size the nose of my bullets so they seat easier in my AR. Only 1/2 thou too big! so this just trimms them up nicely with little or no effort.

Also used the sizer to size my 6.5 to what I needed for my 6.5x55 project. I love it! would highly recommend it to anyone for sizing chores.

[rda72927]

I've dug through the NOE website and can't seem to find the Push Through Sizer Body part listed. 12 pages of the bushing's, anyone know the part number? I don't get a hit when searching "Push Through Sizer Body".

[alamogunr]

Maybe they found that it was a money loser and are only selling dies that have already been produced.

[GRUMPA]

I've dug through the NOE website and can't seem to find the Push Through Sizer Body part listed. 12 pages of the bushing's, anyone know the part number? I don't get a hit when searching "Push Through Sizer Body".

I have mine coming in the mail, here's what it shows on my receipt.

1 x 001 Push Through Size Die Body (PTSD01) = $39.95

[GRUMPA]

Maybe they found that it was a money loser and are only selling dies that have already been produced.

I don't believe for a second it's a money looser.

As far as I know ole AL is a 1 man shop and I'm pretty certain he's like a 1 legged person in a *** kicking contest right now.

[Blammer]

hmm, I think he sold out of them and the default is to take it off of the viewable website. (like my site does when I am out)

[Blammer]

actually, Al is a 2 man shop, and one other employee who ships stuff.

I've met both of them in person and they are Great people. Yes I bet they stay busy. :)

[Blammer]

I just emailed Al, he just replied.

They just sold the last one in stock and he is setting up the machine to run more now!

:) I suspect by the end of the day there will be about 20 or so in inventory, so get your wish list's ready!

[Electric88]

I wondered if that was the case, that they took them off the website when they run out.

If my understanding is correct, he is getting ready to run a couple of different caliber Keith molds, true to original design. If that's the case, then I imagine there will be a ton of people waiting in line

[LuckyDog]

Man, you guys scared me....

There are 49 listed as of right this minute.

[alfloyd]

http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/index.p...shf7j8f7a0f8f2 (http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/index.php?cPath=104&osCsid=3g9k32rmgqnlshf7j8f7a0f8f2)

Try this one.

Lafaun

[Chris C]

Funny I just stumbled onto this thread. My friends on another forum had been talking about this fantastic sizing "system" a couple of weeks ago. If one has more than 4 different rounds to size for, it's cheaper than the Lee sizers.............and as you can see from dragon813gt's picture, it takes up way less space than all of Lee's individual kits. Anyway, I ordered one and got it just this past week. I couldn't be more satisfied. It's the "cat's meow", for sure. I couldn't recommend it more highly. I really like "systems" when they are designed well and work the way the seller claims.............and this one does.

[IceKing02]

So then you guys are using either Alox or pan-lubing, right?

[Yodogsandman]

Still no body bushing to size a 45acp boolit to .451".

[newton]

I got my set in the mail a week or so ago, it is absolutely wonderful!

I needed to size the nose of my bullets so they seat easier in my AR. Only 1/2 thou too big! so this just trimms them up nicely with little or no effort.

Also used the sizer to size my 6.5 to what I needed for my 6.5x55 project. I love it! would highly recommend it to anyone for sizing chores.

Blammer, what do you mean by "trimms" them up? Does it actually cut/scrape lead away or does it squeeze them down?

It would be cool if someone made a video of how the nose sizing works.

[Rio]

I ordered mine last night, what is the best way to lube the bullets with this method. I was going to buy a lubrasizer until I found the NOE sizer, about 1/3 the price just have to figure out what to do about the lube part.

[LuckyDog]

I'm powder coating. :)

[Blammer]

it actually "sizes" them down just like a regular sizer.

I used "trimmed" because I think of them as having a fat waist. :)

[popper]

For you guys that have them, is dia. true dia. or expected from WW alloy? Does he do half or custom sizes? Want to order some but have to figure out size details.

[edctexas]

They give your boolit the diameter marked on the bushing. It can't guess if the alloy will grow. It's sort of like a lee push thru except that it is precise and not machined from some junk metal. I have 309, 310, and 311 for 30 cal and can hit the exact number for each. It the normal Al quality item. I just have to buy more pieces!!

Ed C

[popper]

I honed my Lee for 3085, guess I can do the same for NOE. Thanks.

[popper]

Hint - leave the body die set screw loose so the die floats for alignment and die doesn't fall out. Die is loose slip fit in the holder, tighten the screw and it may shift to crooked.

[Rio]

I think that is why I kept sticking bullets in mine, loosened that screw and they go right through.

[john from md]

Hint - leave the body die set screw loose so the die floats for alignment and die doesn't fall out. Die is loose slip fit in the holder, tighten the screw and it may shift to crooked.

Hi,

I am about to buy one of these and sell the Lee sizers that I use when powder coating. Would it be worth dimpling the insert to give it room to move but not fall out?

Regards,

John (not a computer person so I don't post much but I do read a lot) :bigsmyl2:

[Taterhead]

This is a cool concept. I will be using mine for Hi-Tek coated bullets. It is nice that you can buy bushings in different increments. I was frustrated with the Lee sizers being undersized. Didn't work for me. These were my first purchases from NOE, and the quality seems to be there. I've since purchased some of their "M" expander plugs in a few sizes. Also a nice concept.

[Loudy13]

My NOE push through sizer set showed up last night with a .429 and .401 sleeve, worked like a charm wish I had found this system before I bought 4 Lee push through dies. The Lee's work fine but could of saved some money and what am I going to do with all 4 bottles of liquid ALOX lol.

[OS OK]

Thanks for your work on the PDF, I appreciate it much.

[snappy]

I got my sizer set from NOE and it works as advertised. Very nice! At first it seemed awkward not to be able to do a full stroke on the press handle, (the sizer body extends too far below the press head for the ram to be raised all the way), but you get used to it quickly. Very well made tool.

[bilco]

Looks like this might have to be my next purchase. Really hate how lee restricts you to increments of their choosing for most streamline sizers.

[MUSTANG]

Resurrecting this older thread.

I bought a sizer set form NOE back in July 2016. Like many "New Projects" it sit boxed on the shelf until a couple weeks ago. I had originally bought it to help with my problems on Paper Patching .30 boolits. After a year of off and on working with Paper Patched boolits I had progressed from Minute of Moutan, through Minute of Barn Door, and to Minute of Large Pizza Pie. Just couldn't seem to dial in the Paper Patched boolits to a reasonably acceptable group.

Last week I cleared the "Honey Do" list and retrieved the NOE Sizer box. I pulled down the box of previously cast RCBS 165 Sil boolits (Water Quenched to 22.7 BHN). After reading the instructions and assembling the NOE sizer set, I placed a 0.305 sizer ring in the die set, lubed 10 165 Sil boolits, and then pushed them through the die. Each one had a small ring of lead cleanly shaved from the Lube ring areas. Unlike my Lee Sizer ideas that tend to "Smear" swaged lead down into the grooves, this die set is cleanly shaving lead off the raised groove areas. I then replaced with a .302 sizer ring and repeated on all 10 Boolits. Resulted in nicely rounded .302 boolits with slight residual grease grooves (good for the Paper Patch to adhere to when wrapped). After paper patching the boolits, & sizing the Paper Patched boolits to .308, I loaded in .308 Winchester cases with 45 grains of Winchester 760. (Did not Chronograph, but should yield somewhere in the (+ or - ) 2600 fps range.

Went to the range for a test; and Wooohooo. I broke the Large Pizza Pie barrier!! I shot a 3.5MOA group at 100Yards. Not an acceptable group yet as I am looking to hit the 1 MOA range so I can use it for 800 Yard to 1000 Yard shooting; but 3.5MOA is a great improvement. Now I have the opportunity to start working on a tailored load that will hopefully get me towards that 1MOA goal with a paper patched boolit, all thanks to NOE's newer product offering.

[Chris C]

Been using mine for a long time now and couldn't be happier. Dies are inexpensive enough to purchase a bunch of them so you can try different sizes in your "shooter".

[MUSTANG]

Chris C:

Agree with the cost/value on the sizer inserts. Looking at ordering a .301, ,303, and ,304. All for use with Paper Patching. The .301 for a couple of tight 30 calibers I have, and the .303 and .304 to start in developing some 303 British Paper Patching experiments this winter.

$9.75 for each additional insert from NOE is a much better value than having a custom Lee Push Through die made at $38.00 each.

[Dragonheart]

The NOE push through sizing bushings work well and as expected are accurate in dimensions. The nose sizing bushing also are accurate, but be aware just because you have two perfect circles like laying a nickel on a quarter doesn't mean the circles are concentric and this is the problem I have found with the separate operations of using bushings to band size and nose size. The bullets are not concentric because there is nothing to hold the bullet in alignment when it is sized. Meaning the bullets come out lopsided and will never be accurate. A concentricity gauge will show the problem. If someone has a remedy for this procedure I would like to hear it.

[Russ303]

I just got my order in and i love it. the best thing about its is that all 10 or so dies and the body only take up about the same space as 2 or 3 lee dies. There cost less then lee and ill save on the international shipping as well.
My review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6Qr9szz0K0