311334 in the 30-06

[FLHTC]

Anyone have a favorite load for this in the '06? I'm looking for 2,000fps +

[Scharfschuetze]

Good choice in a boolit for your Ought-Six.

I use a non canister grade of 4895 so I won't list the actual charge, but it's about equivalent to 36 or 37 grains of IMR 4895 for right at 1,800 out of several of my 03 Springfields and M1 Garands. 1,800 to 1,900 fps has been the sweet spot for me using this boolit, at least in the military barrels.

[FLHTC]

Good choice in a boolit for your Ought-Six.

I use a non canister grade of 4895 so I won't list the actual charge, but it's about equivalent to 36 or 37 grains of IMR 4895 for right at 1,800 out of several of my 03 Springfields and M1 Garands. 1,800 to 1,900 fps has been the sweet spot for me using this boolit, at least in the military barrels.

Well that's a start. I was thinking with this weight boolit, I could go as slow as 4350 and wind up with a little better load density but I don't want to blow unburnt powder out the barrel. I have a 8lb can of the stuff and my goal was to get some use out of it.

[Scharfschuetze]

Some members here use 4350 and report good results. Check some of the M1 Garand threads as that use of the powder seems to pop up there more often than not. While not a good powder at higher pressures in the M1, with cast boolits the reports are positive with no damage to the rather fragile op rod.

I should have added in my first post that I size to .310 in all but my Krag (which gets a larger diameter) and I use the NRA Alox formula with copper gas checks. Of course others use a much different formula in prepping their projos and I'm sure that they'll chime in shortly.

What type of action are you going to use the loads in?

[FLHTC]

I'm using them in a single shot Encore. I found 35 grains of 4350 bounces around 1,700 fps so I will inch up from there. A max load of 50 grains of 4350 produces around 2,600 fps so I'm guessing I'll land somewhere around 38 or 39 grains. I'm more interested in the energy than the accuracy, since it will be shot at 75 yards max. The Load Data site had some loads for 4350 and the 334. I have some powders close to 4895 like RamShot Tac and H335 but only a couple pounds of each. That can of 4350 has enough dust to write my name in it so there lies my quest.
I have a supply of 3031 but that's saved for my 30-30 barrel.

[Le Loup Solitaire]

I believe that older Lyman manuals advocated 311334 for use in the Krag, but Harrison in his writings on cast bullets in the 06 advocated its use in the 2 groove 03-A3 barrels and the 5 groovers of the 1917. The reason he claimed was the short body and the long bore-riding nose as being desirable. It apparently works well in the Garand and the O3's. I have used it with 4227 in lighter charges in the 06 and gotten good grouping, but have never gone to heavier charges of slower burning powders. My mold casts at about .312 so sizing it to .311 or.310 is not a problem. I agree that 4895 might be a good choice for higher velocities, especially in the Garand. LLS

[FLHTC]

I size at .311 and use carnuba red. The 311291 does wonders out of my 30-30 barrel over 27 grains of 3031. I'm thinking of using the 344 in my 300AAC too. It's a 1-8 twist so it should stabilize well. I just happened upon this mold and I'm anxious to see its potential

[FLHTC]

Finally got around to shooting it with 2400 and 4350. The 16 grains of 2400 put 5 rounds into a clover leaf at 50 yards. The 35 grains of 4350 placed 5 rounds into less than an inch at 50. I was all set to see a nice group from the 2400 at 100 yards but surprisingly, it opened to over 2". The 35 grains of 4350 on the other hand, gave a group of 1" with 5 rounds and were the last 5 rounds I fired without cleaning the barrel. The 4350 looks like a winner

[Scharfschuetze]

Interesting info FLHTC. My best results this boolit have been with 4759 and a non-canister 4895, so I might just try out your load. There has been a few threads lately on 4350 in the Ought-Six and most have reported results similar to yours.

[FLHTC]

I have four more 4350 loads that I hope to get out and shoot today. I'm going up to 40 grains in one grain increments and I'm hopeful that somewhere in there I'll find my load. Hopefully on the upper end as I want at least 2,000 fps. With a heavy cloud cover and intermittent rain, a chronograph is out of the question but I'll still be happy if all four loads hold up.

[FLHTC]

Well the 36 grain load at 100 yards fell in at 2 1/2" with one flier out at 4" but I'm guessing that was me. The 37 grain load was atrocious and gave a 3" with another flier out to 4". Thirty eight grains seemed to be the sweet spot and printed a 1 1/4" group. This I'm going to load more of and chronograph them. Thirty nine grains gave a pathetic 6" span, as did 40 grains. The barrel was very warm for the last two groups so I might give these a second attempt but I believe the 38 grain load is what I'm after.

[Scharfschuetze]

With a heavy cloud cover and intermittent rain, a chronograph is out of the question

The range near the house recently installed overhead cover/baffles to keep all bullets in the impact area as urban sprawl is a serious issue.

As you can imagine, that pretty well impacted chronograph use. I ended up using battery powered LED light bars over the screens and now I'm getting good results from the sensors again.

[FLHTC]

The range near the house recently installed overhead cover/baffles to keep all bullets in the impact area as urban sprawl is a serious issue.

As you can imagine, that pretty well impacted chronograph use. I ended up using battery powered LED light bars over the screens and now I'm getting good results from the sensors again.

I have heard that some shooters do that for indoor archery but I'd rather just wait for sunshine.

[guicksylver]

FLHTC....Sorry I can not get you to 2000FPS + but I can tell you a bit about the Lyman 311334 and using it in the 30-06.

Lyman did in fact drop it from their line, but by number only.

The 311334 is the big brother to the 311332.

If you look at their web site you will find the 311332 listed.

However, originally the 311332 was a 180 gr boolit and the 311334 a 190 gr boolit,but Lyman being Lyman saw fit to drop the 311334 and continue production of the 311332 EXCEPT
the new version of the 311332 weighs 190 grs, go figure.

I bought the 311332 from Lyman about a year ago, despite the fact that the mold halves were terribly miss aligned it shot like fury.

I liked it so much that I asked Al at NOE to reproduce it, now I have a great mold and fine shooting bullet for my 06's.

Check this out along with other 311332 searches on this site.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?227760-Lyman-311332-Group-Buy/page2

BTW it is sub-minute with Unique, Red Dot (12.7 grs),Universal (13.8 grs), 2400 (17.5 grs), 4198 (21-23 grs), AA2520, 4064 but these are not in your velocity range.

Happy shooting !

Dan S.

[FLHTC]

FLHTC....Sorry I can not get you to 2000FPS + but I can tell you a bit about the Lyman 311334 and using it in the 30-06.

Lyman did in fact drop it from their line, but by number only.

The 311334 is the big brother to the 311332.

If you look at their web site you will find the 311332 listed.

However, originally the 311332 was a 180 gr boolit and the 311334 a 190 gr boolit,but Lyman being Lyman saw fit to drop the 311334 and continue production of the 311332 EXCEPT
the new version of the 311332 weighs 190 grs, go figure.

I bought the 311332 from Lyman about a year ago, despite the fact that the mold halves were terribly miss aligned it shot like fury.

I liked it so much that I asked Al at NOE to reproduce it, now I have a great mold and fine shooting bullet for my 06's.

Check this out along with other 311332 searches on this site.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?227760-Lyman-311332-Group-Buy/page2

BTW it is sub-minute with Unique, Red Dot (12.7 grs),Universal (13.8 grs), 2400 (17.5 grs), 4198 (21-23 grs), AA2520, 4064 but these are not in your velocity range.

Happy shooting !

Dan S.

Are these loads that you have personal experience with? I'd still be interested in what velocity can be expected from them. Thanks for your info on the 311332. Is it the same profile as the 334?

[guicksylver]

The answer to both questions is yes.

The only data I have at this time is for the 12.7 gr Red Dot load.

If memory serves me correctly it books out @ 1453 fps.

Others who have purchased the NOE mold report outstanding accuracy.

I believe the reason you do not hear to much about it is because it is a target boolit and not one for hunting.

It is an easy boolit to work with, mine are sized .311 for my millsurps (30-06).

My OAL is set @ 3.305 for the NOE and 3.295 for the lyman, the lyman's tip is a little flat, other wise identical.