What is wrong with people!!

[Indiana shooter]

It's opening day of the KY firearm season. I pull up to one of the 2 remaining small private land spots that I have permission to hunt on and there's 7 trucks parked there? Only my grandpa, the property owners neighbor, and myself have permission to hunt this 29 acre plot.

I investigated the mob of trucks ( that rutted out the dirt road leading to the pole barn) and found that they were from the 9 people that the neighbor invited to hunt on land that wasn't his. I left and went to the other property.

I received a phone call later in the afternoon from the landowner stating that this group of "hunters" had torn down fencing, kicked out bords in the loft of the barn, field dressed the deer next to the road and shot 2 small calfs. Obviously she won't be allowing any hunting on her property anymore.

I don't blame her at all but what's wrong with people! A calf is obviously not a deer, if it ain't your property you should respect it and leave no footprint when you leave, and how in the world is it safe to have 10 people hunting 29 acres that is mostly field?

Just more proof that common sense is no longer a common virtue.

[Four-Sixty]

People do disappoint so often these days.

[jcwit]

Why did you not alert the landowner of this along with the plate & VIN numbers?

[JWFilips]

This Socialist society is very sick!

[Hannibal]

Why did you not alert the landowner of this along with the plate & VIN numbers?

I hereby nominate this as "The Good Question Of The Thread". Unchallenged behavior propagates. Ergo, next year it will likely be worse.

[leeggen]

When I was hunting in Florida at a management area a hunter came to the check station and said he needed help retreiving his deer he just shot, a really big "spike". The ranger went with him and the guy had shot a black and red steer weighing about 1500 pounds. Some people should NEVER be allowed to hunt.
CD

[country gent]

I have seen this here for awhile not only deer season but small game also. Its discouraging when they cut fences and damage property equipment or livestock. The worst thing is when confronted these slobs will argue and fight they are in the right and legally doing what they are doing. Weve had these people drive thru winter wheat to get to the animal. Ive seen them cut fences remove sections to drive thru when the gate is 100 yds down. Some fur hunters used to build fires in hollow trees to drive animals out then leave causing fires and damage. ANd the really sad thing is true hunters and sportsman get the black eye for these slobs behaviour.

[jsizemore]

I'm 60-something years old. This stuff has been going on since I was a child. Where I live, I don't put up with this mess and back my neighbors to keep theirs right. It does help that some are retired or current LE and there is often gunfire in the area.

[Plate plinker]

I hereby nominate this as "The Good Question Of The Thread". Unchallenged behavior propagates. Ergo, next year it will likely be worse.
+1 to that I would have been on the horn ASAP getting some LEO back up. The calves the shot are worth enough to warrant Felonies.

[wv109323]

You left out they threw trash and beer cans all over the place.
I hate to omit it but testosterone and firearms do not mix well. You hear this story time after time each hunting season.
I hope the landowner recoups her loss.
I own 37 acres and give only my neighbor permission to hunt on it. They are very nice people. There unknown people without permission ride four-wheelers through areas I am hunting. I have found multiple illegal kills that they leave laying.
People have no respect .

[blademasterii]

Should have collected a bunch of lugnuts. :D

[labradigger1]

"What is wrong with people."


Some people are stupid

[Hannibal]

Should have collected a bunch of lugnuts. :D

While I agree one-upmanship sounds gratifying, emulating the sort of behavior causing the problem solves nothing.

Passive-agressive responses are not solutions.

[Plate plinker]

Should have collected a bunch of lugnuts. :D
Valve stems? Some of my relatives were know to take those out or just losses them just enough. Back in the good ole days anyhow.

[Indiana shooter]

Why did you not alert the landowner of this along with the plate & VIN numbers?

I made a call the the landowner but she is very hard of hearing and seldom hears the phone ring. I didn't think of taking vehicle information at the time and being that the land isn't mine I didn't think I had the right to run them off. Besides, last year the neighbor brought two people and only hunted opening morning and my grandpa and I had the place to ourselves the rest of the year. I figured it would be more of the same but I'd have to pick up more trash.

[bedbugbilly]

We don't allow anybody to hunt on our farm. I have enough problem with neighbors sneaking in and they certainly should know better. A couple years ago, I found a large buck out in the middle of one of my fields. What irritated me the most was that it was shot and then the culprit cut the large trophy rack off with a hacksaw and then just left the carcass.

As mentioned . . this type of behavior isn't new. I'm 63 and it's been going on for years . . not just deer season but small game season as well. I can well remember that my Dad and I had just finished up a new woven wire line fence just before small game season. In two weeks, it had something like 7 "dog holes" cut in it in about 4 or 6 rods. That type of behavior takes guts.

Today, people feel "entitled" to hunt where ever they want. If I find a truck parked on the farm . . which is private property . . . I call LE and have it towed. Unfortunately . . . most of these "hunters" will shoot at anything that moves. I hear a lot of talk about those that leave beer cans, etc. around as well. Sorry . . . but as far as I'm concerned, liquor and hunting and guns don't mix . . PERIOD! The same as at a range. If someone wants to drink . . then stay home or go to a bar . . but don[t drive. If a person wants to hunt, then hunt.

And it isn't limited to hunting either. We don't run cattle anymore. At one time, we had 10 miles of fence to keep up and that doesn't come cheap. What I can't understand is parents who give their kids snowmobiles or dirt bikes and then don't see any reason why they shouldn't be able to ride anywhere they want . . . including my fields and destroying our crops. Or older folks who should know better as well.

[MaLar]

"What is wrong with people."
Some people are stupid

My opinion is selfish, self centered, uncaring for others.
That's what's wrong with society today!

[CLAYPOOL]

TAKE the license plate number and time. Cell phones have cameras , Take a photo. Call the warden. THEY LIKE YOU TO DO THEIR WORK...!

[propwashp47]

it seams it wood have been worth the drive over to her house knowing she has trouble hearing the phone. not helping an aged woman protect her land over heading over to your second spot was a poor choice. here we here operation game theft . reward hotline 800-792-4263 www.orgttx.com (http://www.orgttx.com) or text to 847411 start message with TPWD. hunting without with out written permission of landowner = illegal hunting .trespass with a firearm , killing of livestock, cutting for fences are all felonies. confiscation of autos and all fire arms. loss of hunting rights for a number of years heavy fines for killing live stock fines by the pound for stolen game plus restitution for property damage and jail time. standing up for some one who can not stand up them selves' is never wrong. propwash

[jcwit]

When I was a kid 60/65 years ago I hunted neighbors property and woods, all we had was pasture. Fence crossing rules, #1 cross at a gate, #2 cross at a corner post, #3 cross at a post WOODEN post never a steel post, and even then you better walk to the corner post if possible. Lord help you if cutting a wire.

Always and I mean always, pick up your spent shells as well as any empty shells found left by others.

BTW, I should back then written permission was not required at least in the small town I still live in, everyone knew everyone else, population was less then 1,000 folks back they.
Things are different today of course.

[leadman]

Out here in Az. we have alot of public land to hunt on but the problem is the "hunters" are running the game off the land with their quads and side by sides. Most are also slobs leaving trash everywhere.
Where my sons and I hunt most of the time has been very good over the last 25 years. This year we only saw tracks from 4 elk that were headed off the mesa to a lower elevation area that has no hunitng on it. There were tracks from the quads & side by sides everywhere, even 1 1/2 miles off the road! They are riding around the berms of the water holes "looking for sign".
I haven't seen a forest ranger or fish & game officer out there in probably 20 years. Really bad part of this is it is not the young hunters, seems to be the 45 year old and up doing this.
I feel for the OPer and hope he can maintain a good relationship with the land owners and continue to hunt their land. Maybe a talk about this situation and what would the landowner allow him to do in this situation is in order. Since she is hard of hearing maybe she would let him call in the violators to authorities.

[MaryB]

I keep toothpicks in the truck. Jam one down into the valve stem so it is forced open then break it off...


Valve stems? Some of my relatives were know to take those out or just losses them just enough. Back in the good ole days anyhow.

[propwashp47]

we have many absentee land owners and folks that own land in many parts of the state. a call from the owner will drop the charges. but you will go to jail if caught on some ones land with out proof , some one calling leos that you are illegally hunting will start the ball rolling.

[MaryB]

I used to hunt with a group of friends and we had sole permission to be on this older ladies farm. I am sitting at the base of a tree where deer have been hopping the fence at the top of a hill when I hear a round hit the tree above my head. Where we hunt is shotgun slug only and this was a rifle round. I dug it put of the tree and pocketed it. It was lunch time and I went back up to the farm yard to meet my friends and ran into a dude toting an AR-15 who did not have permission to be on the property. I ignored him, hopped in my truck, and promptly blocked him in. I get out and he points the AR at me and tells me to move my truck.

Just then John comes walking up behind him and tells him freeze police! John was a Minnesota Highway patrol officer who hunted with us every year. Guy starts spinning around and john takes him to the ground. I grabbed the duct tape and we trussed him up and called the game warden and sheriff(John was off duty). Game warden gets there and checks his truck, backstraps from 3 smaller deer and a few steaks, and some spike antlers. John also saw him pointing a gun at me so they not only nailed him for trespassing, poaching and use of a rifle in the slug only zone, they got him for use of a firearm in a threatening manner.

Of course the guy was from the Twin Cities, and he was one of the immigrant groups we had a lot of trouble with back in the 80's(Hmong) who ignored game laws and trespass laws. You may remember the case where one of them shot and killed a hunter in WI. He got a nice 3 year sentence for pointing the gun at me, and 1 more on top for poaching. Plus some very hefty fines, he lost his truck and rifles that were in it plus the AR he was carrying. Banned from hunting for life now! Also a felon so no guns. He tried to get permission to use a bow and the judge looked at him and told him never!

I have only hunted a couple times sense then. The old lady we leased the hunting rights from passed away and the new owners of the property wanted to hunt it themselves(and I don't blame them, it was a deer highway along the Redwood River). I refuse to hunt public land anymore, to many drunk idiots from the big city who don't have a clue what they are shooting at.

[Hickok]

And today I have noticed a lot of so-called hunters can't go off into the woods completely sober.

[shdwlkr]

When a cousin and I were hunting on his dad's farm we were told to get off as a neighbor had told this out of town hunter that he had permission to hunt on this land, forget the no hunting signs without permission. Well when we asked if he knew the family he said yes, funny look on his face when my cousin told him he didn't know him and leave or face being arrested, cousin's dad called the county cops who informed this neighbor that he had better be giving permission to hunt on only land he owned. that was 60 years ago, so this is nothing new just the individuals being more arrogant.
talk about deer being wrong animals, we had cows shot, horse shot, goats shot, sheep shot and I think one pig all by city folk that thought they were deer.

[popper]

Just drive around in a big town and you will see what is wrong with people. There is a cheap tool that unscrews the valve core. Few years ago a work buddy went to his property, was chased off by hunters. Took pics and turned them over to the state troopers and local sheriff, in case the LEO was a friend of theirs. Not your job to confront armed hunters.

[leebuilder]

There are two types of peaple, ones that are part of the problem and the others like most of us, part of the solution.
if i dont want to explain myself to a judge or have my mother find what i have done, i dont do it.
It happens here to.
Be safe

[Hardcast416taylor]

Back in the middle of the last century we had a trespass problem during hunting seasons. I`ve lost track of the number of times I threw off `relatives` of ours. Torn fences and broken gates (by trucks) and our being threatened by people that I didn`t know from Adam. Have you ever had the corn tassles shot off over your head by one of these fine `hunters` that you didn`t know they were working the standing corn field for pheasants from the opposite direction? Just amazing how our farms were suddenly owned by another neighbor that let these people on. Now I`m down to a small acreage, but still have this same old problem.Robert

[dragon813gt]

I always ask the landowners who is allowed to hunt the land. And what they want me to do if I find someone trespassing. I have never had one tell me to do nothing. They have all said to take down the vehicle information and call the local authorities.

There are many many spots I wish I could hunt. But I don't dare step foot on the property. I can't explain the actions of others. But it's because of them we have the game laws that we do. There is no excuse for shooting the wrong animal. I can forgive getting caught up in buck fever and shooting one that is one point away from being legal. I cannot forgive shooting the wrong species.

[rockrat]

I had a game warden tell me of a group of hunters that came to Colorado, to hunt elk. Well, one of the guys shot what he thought was a "fine example" of an elk and took it to the check in station where this game warden was working. The DOW people checked in his "Elk" (all they while trying to keep from laughing) and let him drive back to his home state and show off his "Elk" (Mule).
He said they tried to find out who the mule belonged to, but had no luck and no reports of one missing.
Some farmers spray paint "horse" or "cow" on their respective livestock

[merlin101]

Some farmers spray paint "horse" or "cow" on their respective livestock

I grew up in a small town where everybody pretty much knew everyone else, we knew where we couldn't hunt and hunted just about everywhere else. I asked one old timer why he painted "COW" on all of his livestock even the horses! His reply
"aint no sense in confusing people, beside the horse can't read" !

[Hannibal]

I grew up in a small town where everybody pretty much knew everyone else, we knew where we couldn't hunt and hunted just about everywhere else. I asked one old timer why he painted "COW" on all of his livestock even the horses! His reply
"aint no sense in confusing people, beside the horse can't read" !

If the shooter can't differentiate between a mule/cow/horse and an elk/deer, why would anyone presume they are literate?

[dkf]

People have no respect for others property as a whole. They will trespass, violate the land and destroy property without any thought. I like to refer to these as "white trash" because those are the culprits in the areas I am in. Don't fool yourself however, this is nothing new and has been going on for a very long time. Population increases and lack of hunting land have just made it worse.

This is one reason why I want to be able to legally carry semi auto firearms with no magazine capacity restrictions out in the woods. You never know what you come across.

[douglasskid]

Then you meet some good people. Last week, I let two hunt deer, from Wisconsin. I had to go to town ,cutting a tree in front of our church. The two hunters showed up to help. Middle of the day, but they took time out to help. Good folks.

[dkf]

Absolutely you meet good people, usually they are the majority. But those are not the problem and the cause for the concern.

[ez4545]

I've held that people that don't have permission to be on a property and are there to take game are not hunters at all, they are law breakers, illegally taking game they have no right to take. They are armed trespassers not to be confused with sportsmen or sporting ladies either:bigsmyl2:

[Win94ae]

Amazing!

[Tackleberry41]

Funny how it works, people only believe in property rights when its their property. Yours, well then those signs and fence don't mean anything. I had alot of trouble in KY, had a big chunk of land, and was surrounded by tons more. Hunting season only person within a 1/2 mile of me would be nobody. Then not to far away you hear a shot. Walked right by the 'no trespassing' sign, not mention over a fence, but had no idea it was anybodies land. Really so NOBODY owns it. The ginseng hunters had no respect for fences or property lines either.

And then you run into issues like my friend did, I was riding with him couple weeks ago when he stopped by to pay for his hunting lease. Local retired judge owned it. He goes out to go hunting, runs into another hunter. They went back and forth a bit, 'who are you and why are you here'? Come to find out the judge had leased the land twice, just forgot he had leased it to the first guy. Now its getting the money back for the second lease. Who wants to bet that will take a while as the guy swears up and down he didn't lease it to someone else. But both guys have cancelled checks.

[toallmy]

I have a new land owner ,on the property next to my little slice of heaven. When he first stoped by a couple years ago the fella asked if I would mind if he set a stand and set in the corner on my side when he came over , well of course it did not bother me .i thought it was the neighborly thing to do . So it's my fault to start with and I'll have to fix it.Well it seems he rents out hunting trips to people from the city and implies that thay can hunt my farm as well .yep it's going to be a problem . There are at least a dozen stands hanging around my farm. Their goes the neighborhood.

[tommag]

I had always thought the issue with "hunters" shooting livestock was urban myth or malicious cretins claiming to not know the difference when they got caught.
After leaving Montana, I subscribed to the local newspaper for several years. There was an article about "hunters" who brought a llama to Roth's meat processing place to have their deer cut up. It was then that I decided that some of those stories were true.
You'd think that someone who had enough interest in hunting to pay the high cost of out of state tags, travel, etc., would've at least looked at a couple of pictures in a field and stream magazine.

[country gent]

The old nieghbor had a cure for illegal tree stands in his woods. It was called a chainsaw. He would go thru the woods opening day and any tree stand that didnt have permisson the tree came down wether the hunter was in it or not. He lost alot of wood when he had it logged due to nails in trees from tree stands and a very small sense of humor.

[M-Tecs]

I had always thought the issue with "hunters" shooting livestock was urban myth or malicious cretins claiming to not know the difference when they got caught.
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I mostly agree but some really stupid people do go hunting and do some really stupid things. Sometimes its landowner BS. In two separate states different landownerswere repeated claiming hunters had shot their cattle and horses. In both cases it was the landowner shooting his own stock. One was insurance fraud and the other was a very unstable landowner. The insurance one resulted in the landowner getting jail time. I never heard what happened to the other one.

[Baron von Trollwhack]

I made a call the the landowner but she is very hard of hearing and seldom hears the phone ring. I didn't think of taking vehicle information at the time and being that the land isn't mine I didn't think I had the right to run them off. Besides, last year the neighbor brought two people and only hunted opening morning and my grandpa and I had the place to ourselves the rest of the year. I figured it would be more of the same but I'd have to pick up more trash.

Kentucky has quite a few conservation agents . I'm in the Bluegrass region, and have talked to many of them. Indiana folks cause a great many problems for them on our northern and western borders, especially our Wildlife Management Areas and adjoining private property.

You came all the way from Indiana and did not try very hard to help the poor old land owner lady who was generous to you.
So you did not get the plate numbers and were afraid to run the others off....running anyone off was not your business at all, but certainly acting on the problem with a CO call and to contact
the old lady was not too much for you to do.

The neighbor last year has nothing to do with this year. You failed to act positively in favor of your benefactor this year . That's CRUMMY.

BvT

Maybe you ought to stay up there in Indiana.

[BD]

I've been know to chain a truck to a tree, or two trucks together, while I waited for the landowner or IFW. I've drug a truck or two off my place out onto the main road and left it.

[montana_charlie]

You'd think that someone who had enough interest in hunting to pay the high cost of out of state tags, travel, etc., would've at least looked at a couple of pictures in a field and stream magazine.
The first time I saw Montana was in 1971 when my wife and I made a swing through the state to visit two places where she had friends or relatives. While we were in the state, deiving from here to there, we heard the details of a 'hunting accident' which was in the news every day.

Apparently, an out-of-state hunter was in the woods looking for an elk, and what he managed to shoot was an eight year-old girl, in a red overcoat, at a bus stop, waiting for the school bus.

Somebody asked him if he had any idea of what an elk looks like and his answer was that he had meant to get down to San Diego to see one at the zoo ... but never got time to make the trip.

[Love Life]

It's safer in a warzone overseas than it is in the woods during hunting season in Georgia!!

My brother and I recently stopped all hunting on a property we bought from a family member. We grew up having to clean up the hunters' messes, seeing the destroyed fences and roads, bullet holes in outbuildings, people taking a dump wherever they wanted, etc.

Since neither of us hunt anymore, we just shut it down to hunting because of the hassle and are going to have it logged and bank the cha-ching. We'll let youth hunt it again someday when we move back and build our homes.

This thread, and our specific situation, makes me think of a saying I hear often in my line of work: "See, this is why we can't have nice things."

I remember looking in disgust at all the trash thrown around the beauty of the Sierras, and I understood why Da Gubmint takes things away. Sucks, but bad apples ruin it for all.

[Mumblypeg]

Well.... I got shot by a man that was an experienced hunter. He had hunted here and out west also and had taken a good bit of game over the years. I have no idea what he thought he saw... but it was me and not the game he was hunting for. I will say this for him, he did not run and owned up to it. It was not fatal however(humor) but did cost me an eye..... Other times I have run off many trespassers. Some have just stood there and looked at me like they were not going to leave until I told them "And I mean NOW !" One I remember had his young son with him and was from out of state, NC is 45 miles away. They just don't get it....

[bruce drake]

I have a new land owner ,on the property next to my little slice of heaven. When he first stoped by a couple years ago the fella asked if I would mind if he set a stand and set in the corner on my side when he came over , well of course it did not bother me .i thought it was the neighborly thing to do . So it's my fault to start with and I'll have to fix it.Well it seems he rents out hunting trips to people from the city and implies that thay can hunt my farm as well .yep it's going to be a problem . There are at least a dozen stands hanging around my farm. Their goes the neighborhood.

Go tell your neighbor you gave permission for A STAND and not the dozen now in place. Or better yet. Take them all down since they are on your property and keep them yourself since he's obviously decided to give them to you...
AND also close down his access to your corner of heaven since he abused your generosity.

[Handloader109]

No big story here, just a little one, mother owns just under 80 acres that as of a few years ago is inside of a small town in MS. No gun hunting, just bow. Had a son of one of her friends ask if he and his son could hunt it. Got rather pi$$3d when she told him no hunting..... Mainly stems from a "friend" bringing a "friend to fish a few years ago and then threatened to sue her after hurting ankle while on the property. Friend's friend was trespassing..... Go figure

[CLAYPOOL]

Here's a BETTER idea. Contact the local high school and see if they have a "OUTDOORSMAN CLUB. We have one near here that conducts a hunt for Handy Capped and Wheel chair hunters every year. It has WIDE acknowledgement and freebees given to the club. The local TV stations generally offer a interview each year of some of the high schooners and the hunters. Word would get around that your land is ONLY for the club and its benefits. That looks good on Job Apps.

[Thumbcocker]

I put the blame for a lot of this stuff on the "hunting" shows and how they turn hunting into football or something complete with acting like an idiot over the dead critter. One more thing to think about: all these yahoos can breed, they can concealed carry in many states, and their vote counts just as much as yours.

[Kent Fowler]

There were 8 of us who had a South Texas lease in Zapata County back in the 80's. Unfortunately, for us, the ranch had a couple of oil wells on it. That meant 18-wheelers driving into the place at odd hours to load oil from the tanks. And since there were multiple companies picking up oil, the gate had a number lock on it and it seemed like half of Zapata County had the lock combination as we saw numerous people driving the ranch who had no business being there. Friend of mine was just about to get down off of his stand about one o'clock in the afternoon, when a '64 Chevy, with a man and a woman in it, drove up and stopped about 50 yards down the sendero. He didn't know who they were, but said they put on quite a show on the trunk of the car.

[brtelec]

There were 8 of us who had a South Texas lease in Zapata County back in the 80's. Unfortunately, for us, the ranch had a couple of oil wells on it. That meant 18-wheelers driving into the place at odd hours to load oil from the tanks. And since there were multiple companies picking up oil, the gate had a number lock on it and it seemed like half of Zapata County had the lock combination as we saw numerous people driving the ranch who had no business being there. Friend of mine was just about to get down off of his stand about one o'clock in the afternoon, when a '64 Chevy, with a man and a woman in it, drove up and stopped about 50 yards down the sendero. He didn't know who they were, but said they put on quite a show on the trunk of the car.

Thats when you climb down as they are finishing up, walk by and nod and say hello with a smirk.

[Boyscout]

When I hunted private land I always left the gates as I found them, and asked the land owner if he wanted me to close it the next time out. Two gates on the property were to be shut at all times on the last property.

I've destroyed too many good clothes trying to cross barbed-wire fences and I prefer to roll under the bottom wire most of the time. I've seen the same lack of consideration from snowmobilers and atv/motorcycle riders when it comes to cutting fences.

I have never understood the morons who shoot at movement and noise. And my last pet peeve is Leasing Agents whoring out our hunting heritage for a quick buck. Some of the stupidest hunters I have ever met are the ones who have more money than sense and pay for their sucess instead of doing their homework. They brag about the fenced in deer they shoot, I brag about the free range deer I took with a bullet I made and hand-loaded myself. They look at me like I have lost my mind.

[jcwit]

People have lost respect for others, notice how seldom others are polite, people have lost respect for other folks property, this very thread proves it, people have lost respect for themselves, ever notice how folks dress anymore. I brought up the last point a year or more ago and was soundly trouped for my ideals, but the fact of the matter is it is true.

Today it's all about me, me, me, me.

[David2011]

This thread makes me feel pretty lucky. I'm on a lease with a group. I'm the only one of the group that's not part of the same family and I was invited by the family to be on the lease. They all respect the land and the wildlife although one portion of the family could be a little better. They're good folks and their kids have taken to me as a grandpa which I enjoy. We are all learning from each other. I seem to be the only one that ever has any tools at the camp so end up happily helping with repairs.

What's wrong with people, though. I was in line behind someone in a very nice late model truck at the gas pumps last weekend. It was a truck nicer than I would buy yet he had to pay cash for his gas. I noticed he was wearing a Tee shirt that boldly claimed "I Call the Shots" accompanied by an image of a bottle and a shot glass. Classy! Then the dufus freaking LIGHTS A CIGARETTE while pumping gas. I opened the door of my truck and hollered at him to put it out. He was POed but put it out. Idiot!

David

[jcwit]

This thread makes me feel pretty lucky. I'm on a lease with a group. I'm the only one of the group that's not part of the same family and I was invited by the family to be on the lease. They all respect the land and the wildlife although one portion of the family could be a little better. They're good folks and their kids have taken to me as a grandpa which I enjoy. We are all learning from each other. I seem to be the only one that ever has any tools at the camp so end up happily helping with repairs.

What's wrong with people, though. I was in line behind someone in a very nice late model truck at the gas pumps last weekend. It was a truck nicer than I would buy yet he had to pay cash for his gas. I noticed he was wearing a Tee shirt that boldly claimed "I Call the Shots" accompanied by an image of a bottle and a shot glass. Classy! Then the dufus freaking LIGHTS A CIGARETTE while pumping gas. I opened the door of my truck and hollered at him to put it out. He was POed but put it out. Idiot!

David

Exactly!

Couple of weeks ago we had our monthly indoor range meeting. In walk's a member with cut-off blue jeans, dirty & greasy at that, with a t shirt with the sleeves cut off and the arm holes half way down to his waist, also dirty & greasy. Plain and simple, a slob! I wouldn't be caught out mowing my yard looking like that let along out in public.

Anyone notice how the folks are dressing in France?

[leeggen]

Had a local judge that told land owners if the wanted to keep Hispanics off their property they would have to post notresspass signs in spanish. On the flip side we have a Gamewarden (Used in full respect) that if I call him with lic. numbers and vehicle discription he takes care of the problem immediatly, really great guy just don't cross him. We have alot of drive hunters on our driveway ( 3/4 mile long) that we contend with. I have lived here long enough most know there will be trouble if the NO Trespassing is not adheard to. Most famous statement is " man it is beautiful back here , we just wanted to look around and see if a house was for sale back here.) Meanwhile the deer rifle is laying in the seat with them. I just explain I have their vehicle imfor. and plate # and the gamewarden will be notified as they are leaving the property, and that I best not hear a shot fired as they leave and do not return. A couple have been encouraged by a shot over the heads. They will then contact the LE or the warden and seems the officails explain it must be their lucky day he doesn't miss. Sometime a reputation of being a little short on pateints pays. Then many hunters will respect the signs and call which we tell them it is for our family only and thanks for calling.
CD

[M-Tecs]

A couple have been encouraged by a shot over the heads. They will then contact the LE or the warden and seems the officails explain it must be their lucky day he doesn't miss.


You are very lucky. Most LE will arrest you for attempted homicide. Some will shoot back and may not miss. If you shoot at them they can claim they feared for their life and they are justified in using deadly force to protect themselves.

[Hannibal]

I guess I am blessed. I have had permission to hunt private land most of my life. None of it was ever mine. I never tore anything up. I never shot anyone, nor shot at anyone. No one ever shot me, nor at me. I never shot a domesticated animal. No one ever shot a domesticated animal of mine.

If even 10% of the stories in this thread are true, . . . . . WoW. Just, WOW!

[NavyVet1959]

I grew up in an area where people would hunt on property that they did not own or have permission to hunt on and nothing was thought of it. The concept of deer leases just didn't exist back then. People would run dogs and wherever the dogs went, that's where they went. Looking back, I suspect that a lot of the property was either owned by timber or oil companies or by private individuals who planned to eventually harvest the timber many years from then. Often, there were not fences on the land, but if there were, you just carefully slipped through the wire, making sure that you didn't damage it. Sometimes, you would encounter fences that were missing staples, so it was easier to slip between the wires. You didn't hunt on someone's farm land though.

From what I've heard though, the laws have recently changed where you actually have to have written permission on you from the owner allowing you to hunt on their land. Back then, the land might be owned by someone out of state and they are just sitting on it as a potential investment or planning on selling the timber in 20 years or so. Sometimes, the land was inherited by someone who lived out of state and they figured they might retire to it "one of these days". Things were just *different* back then. Deer weren't really considered a "resource", but rather just something that came through your property periodically and for some farmers, just something that ate their crops.

[flint45]

Part of the problem I think is or society stopped teaching our kids to respect others and thier property.Most of us here probley have but in general Idon't think alot of people try or even know how or think its inportant. Just look at how the media pourtrays us. I stopped hunting genral season around here because of the south of the border crowd they deer hunt in large groups run all the deer tourds there shooters not hunters and trash ***** area no respect from them at all they don't even know what the word means.

[dtknowles]

I think part of it is with the proliferation of laws that many marginal types operate on the "what ever I can get away with principal" most expect to get a warning for a first offence if caught so don't really care what anyone else thinks. Many also do not have much to lose and don't know or care that they can lose their truck and gun. I thought about buying some rural land and talked myself out of it. I would not be there to watch over it and would not dare leave anything of value on the property. I have seen so much trash dumped on the side of back woods roads that I don't want to be cleaning up old tires and mattresses etc. I really hurts as it would be nice to have my own piece of woods, I can afford the land but not the land and a care taker too.

Tim