Help Save a Rifle Range

[frnkeore]

Hi all,
A good friend in Alberta Canada has told me that the County of Parkland is trying to close their range.

Please help them in their fight to save it, especially any Canadians on this forum.

https://www.change.org/p/parkland-county-and-mayor-save-our-gun-club?recruiter=422916258&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

Thank all of you for your help,

Frank

[Lead Fred]

Vote the bums out

[10x]

Another case of new folks moving into the neighborhood and then complaining.
The range has been there for at least 50 years.
The real estate agent who sold the property did not do "Due Diligence" and inform these folks of the issues associated with an existing no profit facility.
The complainant's issue is with the real estate agent who sold them the home.

[44man]

Liberals were voted in again. don't ask for help from the US. Canada is a get all for free country and will not want to lose anything from tax payers. Soon you will have every gun confiscated so there is no need for a range. People up there brought it on themselves.
I had friends there that were laid off and made more money by not working. Met a lady on a plane that did not have a place to stay, told us she could go to the hospital and say she felt sick and get a bed free.
Sorry, you made your bed, sleep in it. I would not give a dime to Canada.
You need to live with the socialists you put in power.
We have enough trouble with the Muslim president we have. Canada will have to face them next. But you are unarmed against them. Good luck. Your government runs roughshod over you. Long live the King or Queen.
Yes we see it here but when they come to my door, they will see a muzzle first. From my dead hands.

[frnkeore]

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Yes we see it here but when they come to my door, they will see a muzzle first. From my dead hands.

This is the only thing that makes since in your rant.

The Canadians are our closest allies and very friendly when treated the same. I've visted often and love it up there.

Please help them if you can.

Frank

[Scharfschuetze]

I wish you guys the best of luck with your endevour. I've shot against the Canadians several times in rifle and pistol matches and I've trained (and drank!) with your Princess Pats' rifle regiment and your Special Ops Regiment. I've always wondered how such good people could be emasculated by their government in the ways that you have been; but the same has also happened in the other Common Wealth countries. Perhaps that is because you have always been considered "subjects" and not "citizens."

Here in Washington State (a hotbed of liberalism and stupidity) we passed a grandfather clause to all existing ranges a few years ago. While it is a help, we can't lower our guard for a minute.

[AbitNutz]

If we had stood our ground in the War of 1812 and demanded that Britain concede Canada to the U.S., as James Monroe wanted to do, we wouldn't have this problem....The obvious answer is to Annex Canada!

[44man]

Great people but the free has spoiled too many. Sit home and make more money then working, free health care that does not work since those that can, come here for treatment. Soon to go away with Obama Care. Give my SS to illegals that never earned a dime. It is for votes. We will never keep the US and it will crumble under liberals. 46 demoncrats voted to have the UN confiscate our guns. We got by with a thin skin this time.
The average person on the street here does not even know who is Vice President and knows nothing about the Constitution at all. They are taught by liberals in schools.
This is Germany today.
Subject (stu@Subject): A Female Physician in Munich, Germany sends a message to the world




Yesterday, at the hospital we had a meeting about how the situation
here and at the other Munich hospitals is unsustainable. Clinics
cannot handle emergencies, so they are starting to send everything to
the hospitals.

Many Muslims are refusing treatment by female staff and, we, women,
are refusing to go among those animals, especially from Africa.
Relations between the staff and migrants are going from bad to worse.
Since last weekend, migrants going to the hospitals must be
accompanied by police with K-9 units.

Many migrants have AIDS, syphilis, open TB and many exotic diseases
that we, in Europe, do not know how to treat them. If they receive a
prescription in the pharmacy, they learn they have to pay cash. This
leads to unbelievable outbursts, especially when it is about drugs for
the children. They abandon the children with pharmacy staff with the
words: “So, cure them here yourselves!” So the police are not just
guarding the clinics and hospitals, but also large pharmacies.

Truly we said openly: Where are all those who had welcomed in front of
TV cameras, with signs at train stations?! Yes, for now, the border
has been closed, but a million of them are already here and we will
definitely not be able to get rid of them.

Until now, the number of unemployed in Germany was 2.2 million. Now it
will be at least 3.5 million. Most of these people are completely
unemployable. A bare minimum of them have any education. What is more,
their women usually do not work at all. I estimate that one in ten is
pregnant. Hundreds of thousands of them have brought along infants and
little kids under six, many emaciated and neglected. If this continues
and German re-opens its borders, I’m going home to the Czech Republic.
Nobody can keep me here in this situation, not even double the salary
than at home. I went to Germany, not to Africa or the Middle East.

Even the professor who heads our department told us how sad it makes
him to see the cleaning woman, who for 800 Euros cleans every day for
years, and then meets young men in the hallways who just wait with
their hand outstretched, want everything for free, and when they don’t
get it they throw a fit.

I really don’t need this! But I’m afraid that if I return, that at
some point it will be the same in the Czech Republic. If the Germans,
with their nature cannot handle this, there in Czechia it would be
total chaos. Nobody who has not come in contact with them has no idea
what kind of animals they are, especially the ones from Africa, and
how Muslims act superior to our staff, regarding their religious
accommodation.

For now, the local hospital staff has not come down with the diseases
they brought here, but, with so many hundreds of patients every day –
this is just a question of time.

In a hospital near the Rhine, migrants attacked the staff with knives
after they had handed over an 8-month-old on the brink of death, which
they had dragged across half of Europe for three months. The child
died in two days, despite having received top care at one of the best
pediatric clinics in Germany. The physician had to undergo surgery and
two nurses are laid up in the ICU. Nobody has been punished.

The local press is forbidden to write about it, so we know about it
through email. What would have happened to a German if he had stabbed
a doctor and nurses with a knife? Or if he had flung his own
syphilis-infected urine into a nurse’s face and so threatened her with
infection? At a minimum he’d go straight to jail and later to court.
With these people – so far, nothing has happened.

And so I ask, where are all those greeters and receivers from the
train stations? Sitting pretty at home, enjoying their non-profits and
looking forward to more trains and their next batch of cash from
acting like greeters at the stations. If it were up to me I would
round up all these greeters and bring them here first to our
hospital’s emergency ward, as attendants. Then, into one building with
the migrants so they can look after them there themselves, without
armed police, without police dogs who today are in every hospital here
in Bavaria, and without medical help.

Can it happen here ?
Think.........think......think
We are at a pivot point to destruction of freedom. You feel cozy here that it will not happen. But who is in office? Can you imagine Hillary?

[44man]

I went hunting in Canada once with a bow. My friend had a bow case that looked like a gun case so he was hustled off to open it.
Our bows were bought for less then $180 but the same in Canada was over $1000. TAXES. Cost of living up there is crazy. Friends there had better bows so how did they afford them? Both were out of work. Who would they vote for? You seen it with the last election.
You don't need my money, get it from the Gov't. I bet they would be glad to let you shoot or own a gun.

[dondiego]

I like the grandfather idea. New arrivals have tried (and are still trying) to close a couple of ranges near me as well. Good luck in your endeavor to save your range.

[Scharfschuetze]

To add to the sadness in the North, the results of the recent Canadian national election do not bode well at all for responsible and productive Canadians.

On a better note, we Americans and Canadians share a common holiday today. All the best to all of us on this Veterans and Remembrance Day.

[frnkeore]

Remember people, because it's not YOUR range, it doesn't make it less important. When a range is gone, it's gone forever!

Remember the old adage (paraphrased):

They came for something I wasn't involved in so, I didn't help........

They came for my my neighbors things but, it was something I didn't care about..........

Then, they came for mine but, there was no one to help me.

If you can help and don't ............ it's sad.

Frank

[243winxb]

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/US/HTM/1998/0/0130..HTM Maybe someting like this would help, if passed?


NOISE POLLUTION - AMEND IMMUNITY FROM NUISANCE ACTIONS





Act of Dec. 21, 1998, P.L. 986, No. 130

Cl. 35



19980130ua

Session of 1998No. 1998-130


SB 56


AN ACT

Amending the act of June 2, 1988 (P.L.452, No.74), entitled "An act exempting owners of shooting ranges from any civil or criminal actions relating to noise pollution," further defining the granted immunity from nuisance actions.
The General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania hereby enacts as follows:
19980130u1s

Section 1. Sections 1 and 2 of the act of June 2, 1988 (P.L.452, No.74), entitled "An act exempting owners of shooting ranges from any civil or criminal actions relating to noise pollution," are amended to read: Section 1. General immunity for noise.All owners of rifle, pistol, silhouette, skeet, trap, blackpowder or other ranges in this Commonwealth shall be exempt and immune from any civil action or criminal prosecution in any matter relating to noise or noise pollution resulting from the normal and accepted shooting activity on ranges, provided that the owners of the ranges are in compliance with any applicable noise control laws or ordinances extant at the time construction of the range was initiated. If there were no noise control laws or ordinances extant at the time construction of the range was initiated, then the immunity granted by this act shall apply to said ranges. Section 2. Nuisances and injunction.The owners of the ranges shall not be subject to any action for nuisance, and no court in this Commonwealth shall enjoin the use or operation of the ranges on the basis of noise or noise pollution, provided that the owners of the ranges are in compliance with any applicable noise control laws or ordinances extant at the time construction of the range was initiated. If there were no noise control laws or ordinances extant at the time construction of the range was initiated, then the immunity granted by this act shall apply to said ranges.
19980130u2s

Section 2. This act shall be retroactive to June 2, 1988.
19980130u3s

Section 3. This act shall take effect immediately.


APPROVED--The 21st day of December, A. D. 1998.
THOMAS J. RIDGE

[Brotherbadger]

Signed. Let's hope it makes a difference.

[44man]

Will not happen up there. Our northern friends like the Aussies have buckled under to the gov. all through history. Money will not help. It will be wasted.
It is sad to see but the laws are not on the peoples side.

[frnkeore]

Will not happen up there. Our northern friends like the Aussies have buckled under to the gov. all through history. Money will not help. It will be wasted.
It is sad to see but the laws are not on the peoples side.

No one is asking for money or even to save gun ownership, just to sign a petition to save a range from being closed down. Please sign the petition to help :) It cost nothing but, about 3 min. of your time.

Frank

[Ola]

So anyone can sign it and it counts?

[Smoke4320]

I am up for helping fellow shooters .. will sign

[GOPHER SLAYER]

It is easy to say, vote them out but it is never that simple. I have lost three beautiful ranges and voting had nothing to do with it. When the houses get close, the range will have to go. I am now having to drive 100 miles round trip to go to the range. The problem for the most part is, most people simply don't care. As our country becomes more urban there just doesn't seem to be a place for people who enjoy shooting. When it comes to elections in Canada it is no different than the USA. The blue areas decide the winner. I doubt if you would find many liberals in the western Canadian provinces except for those along the coast in British Columbia. Many people from western Canada spend the winter in this area and they are not liberals. I wish the members of this range the best of luck but in my experience the outcome has already been decided.

[country gent]

Once it starts you ccant stop it, complaints will be filed, allegations made continuously and it never stops. I seen rifle slugs supposedly pulled from house with no deformation or rifling engraved on them that supposedly came from a rifle range in the area. Let developers that want that property get involved and everything goes out the window. Noise is normally the biggest issue. Coverings over firing lines and trees lining the ranges grass on the ranges help allievate this alot. But the commplaints will continue until the range is closed due to saftey issues. Farmers are going thru the same thing around here. Can only work ground run equipment in the fields during certain hours, manaure has to be worked in so many hours after spreading of knifed in as liquid. Complaints of smell and noise from stock barns. Compaints about equipment being moved down the road with smv sighns. A live fire range gets alot of complaints concerns, and a few uncarring users really cause problems. Knowledge is the key here, getting members users educated to be safe and whats safe on ther ange and home owners niegbors to understand what it is, whats going on, and whats being done to make it safer. Its a constant battle. One local sportsman club gives free memberships to its nieghbors. Working with the nieghbors and listening goes a long ways also. Alot of ranges are "grandfathered" with range protection acts laws. Once they start showing up at council/city meeting with slugs supposedly "found" out side the range things go downhill quick.

[CHeatermk3]

I'm wondering what effect it may have if it is discovered that persons living in the US are counted among the 5000 signatures for a petition about an issue in Canada?

[frnkeore]

More info from the Rifle range, this shows you how easy things like this can happen and why US support is helpful:

Pending the outcome of legal action against the County of Parkland; this may be our last shoot.
The County closed the Spruce Grove Gun Club range due to noise complaints; regardless that noise monitoring equipment showed we had not exceeded the noise limitations specified in the noise bylaw.

Yes American signatures are important since we have had international competitions that have attracted tourism dollars.

Many Americans have shot the RKS International Match (ASSRA rules) at the Spruce Grove Gun range (10 of the 13 competitions) and the Canadian ISSA Regional (1990 to 2012).

SGGC is the host range for the Alberta Schuetzen Guild.

SGGC only has 900 members (not including Edmonton Police, RCMP and Brinks).

The more supporters we have the better.

Only 23 people registered the noise complaint.

Democracy is not ruling so far.

The range has spent over a million dollars in dirt work to build berms far in excess of requirements. They have circled the pistol ranges with Seacans to contain the noise.
The million dollars in expenses does not count for the money spent on buildings like the indoor range, conference room and other infrastructure. All this investment is lost when the range is closed by the County

[Frank46]

When I got out of the navy back in '67 we used to shoot at the Brookhaven range on Long Island New York. That range was run by the town of Brookhaven and there were no paved roads only dirt ones. Largely undeveloped land with no houses around for miles. Shot there for many years with some interesting people. Buddy calls me up on day and told me the range had been closed down due to complaints from folks who built houses near the range. Couple years later they took over a army range and as far as I know it is still operational. Range I used when I moved to louisiana had been there for over 50 years and land was leased from the railroad. There were a couple unlicensed dumps on the property they the railroad was worried about the EPA finding out about them. Well it was well known about the dumps and the RR wanted someone with deep pockets to foot the bill for any haz mat cleanup. So we lost that one. About 4 years later the club bought about 600 acres some of which were under lease by farmers. The lease money has helped to pay in part the payments. The range will be paid off later this year of early next year. Plans are afoot to have a 1000yd range built that will not affect the running of the other range facilities. Our range is grandfathered with a new law that does not allow ne homeowners to complain about the noise. What I would suggest is trying to get the range grandfathered because it has been there for so many years. Or get state legislators to pass a law for existing ranges and ones being built to be included. It worked for us. If they build up in our area they cannot close the range. Frank

[frnkeore]

We're doing good. Back to the top :)

Frank