Please Glock make me

[Lloyd Smale]

a .40 the size of my 43, a 10mm and 45acp the size of my 23. Id sell guns to buy all three!

[Plate plinker]

I suspect a micro 40 will show up at shot show this winter. How about a Glock 30 with magazine finger extension? I have tried that and its not a bad gun at all. The 10mm well good luck, but I like you way of thinking.

Personally I desire a G32.

[jem102]

The G36 is just a touch smaller than the G23, many people use G23 holsters for them. I have carried one for 3 years now and it has become my favorite Glock

[Lloyd Smale]

im fussy and the 23/19 is just the perfect size. Probably one of there best selling sizes too. I makes we wonder why they at least haven't done that size in 45acp. I can see that the 10mms might not fly off the shelves but a 45acp that size would be a perfect duty gun, woods bumming gun and even small enough for limited consealed carry.

[Lloyd Smale]

buddy swears by his too but im just not a fan of the short fat grip with a finger grove. I had a 26 and a 27 and got rid of both of them. they both ran great but just didn't do anything for me. Felt like a 2x4 in your hand and a tad more barrel is better in a field gun for me. The 36 feels good in the hand but the 23 sized guns would a bit harder to conceal but have a bigger mag capacity and I have better guns for ccw anyway. this would be more of a woods bumming gun. In 10mm it would make a nice belt gun for deer hunting. I like my 20 but its kind of a monster.
The G36 is just a touch smaller than the G23, many people use G23 holsters for them. I have carried one for 3 years now and it has become my favorite Glock

[dkf]

im fussy and the 23/19 is just the perfect size. Probably one of there best selling sizes too. I makes we wonder why they at least haven't done that size in 45acp. I can see that the 10mms might not fly off the shelves but a 45acp that size would be a perfect duty gun, woods bumming gun and even small enough for limited consealed carry.

Glock already has one, it is called a G36. Very close to same size as the 19/23/32 but it is thinner, because it is single stack. The main reason they went with the .45gap is so they could use the 17,19,26 sized frames, the slide is just thicker.

I'll agree with a .40 and .357sig version of the G43.

[Jupiter7]

I'll get 43(44?) sized glock in .40 a if released. At least then the power to size ratio will be a little more even. The 43 is just a little larger than I wanted it to be. I want a 42 in 9mm!!!!

[Lonegun1894]

While we're dreaming, I wish they would make something in .357 MAGNUM instead of the .357 Sig. I mean, who wants a bottle-necked 9mm anyway? :kidding:

[Lloyd Smale]

I would have like to see a 43 the same as a 42 myself but as it is its a great gun. I just hope that if they do a 40 they don't make it bigger yet. Id rather see it the same even if it only holds 5 rounds. As it is its still as thin as a lc9 and trimmer about everywhere then my shield.
I'll get 43(44?) sized glock in .40 a if released. At least then the power to size ratio will be a little more even. The 43 is just a little larger than I wanted it to be. I want a 42 in 9mm!!!!

[OptimusPanda]

instead of the .357 Sig. I mean, who wants a bottle-necked 9mm anyway? :kidding:

I've heard it called ".357 Hipster" on occasion.

[osteodoc08]

While I agree the 20 is large, it's no bigger and bulkier than an N/L frame for me. Actually it carries easier and carries much more firepower. It has been my go to woods carry gun for years. A 200 gr XTP at 1100 fps is nothing to sneeze at. 15 + 1 makes it even better.

agreed the 19 frame size is my favorite. I've switched over to the M&P line for the most part due to hand grip fit. Wish they had a M&P 10

[dragon813gt]

I doubt you will see a 10mm smaller than the G29. Weight is your friend w/ that round. Now a single stack on a standard frame I'd buy as a range toy.

[Catshooter]

Lloyd,

The 19/23 frame is too short for either the ACP or the ten. That's why the 45 GAP was built.

I too love the 19 size frame. The ten's frame is just too big for me. I've tried, really I have. I love Glocks for all they are and can do and I've owned three 21s down the years trying to make it work. Can't.

The GAP is a nice round though, I like it.

I think a 40 in the 43 sized frame would be great and am waiting for one too.


Cat

[bedbugbilly]

It sounds like you all are suffering from a very bad case of "Glockitus"! LOL Hopefully you can find a cure or Glock can make you a vaccine that will take care of your woes . . . :-)

[Lloyd Smale]

bottom line is a 43 is a great gun. I don't care what anyone says. Mine has digested about a 1000 rounds of mixed handloads and factory. Some even pop gun level cast loads. One that it runs real well is a 100 grain TN group buy mold bullet. Its an ugly thing with a very small first driving band that I about gave up on when I looked at the mold. I loaded it with 3.8 grains of 231 and it runs like a top in that gun and about feels like a 25acp to shoot.

Yes its bigger then then a 42. Bottom line is im wouldn't give up the power of a 9mm to get the smaller size of the 42. Bottom line too is that if would have came up first the few internet nit pickers would have claimed it was the best thing since sliced bread and would have naturally excepted the smaller size of the 380.

Some complain the package is to big. ME, I say its just right and the 42 is way to big for a 380. I can get a 380 in a tiny pocket gun. Why would I want a belt gun in 380 when I can buy on in 9mm. The 380 doesn't make sense to me for anything else. Brass can be tough to find. It needs different bullets and even molds to work right and ammo in most cases if you don't reload is more expensive then 9. Plus theres a ocean of good 9mm defensive ammo out there for sale.

Ive got two lcps. I keep one in my truck and one in the jeep. there good for when your not carrying and want to pop into a store or something. Just stick one in your pocket. But I have absolutely no use for a 380 the size of a 42. To me its about like buying a 357 snub nosed revolver and running 38 target ammo in it. Like I said before then only thing in my book that would really improve it is if they left it the same size and chambered it in 40. But bottom line is I don't think theyd sell as well as the 9s are. The 40 in that little thing would be a handful for even an experienced handgunner. But id live with it:veryconfu

[Lloyd Smale]

wasn't to many years back I would have shook my head at all of this too. Why would anyone want to carry anything but a 1911? But I guess when I finally broke down and bought one I found out. Gone was any fussiness that the 1911 suffered from. Missfeeds that I blamed my ammo on or a dirty gun on ect. My first glock a 23 to this day has never ONCE failed to go bang not only the first shot but the second as well. There cheap black ugly and plastic but its kind of like beauty is as beauty does with me and them anymore. Like ive said about this 23. Find me a 3 inch 1911 that will eat EVERYTING from full power loads to mousefart loads and not choke on any of it. Find me a 3 inch 1911 that isn't fussy about even different full power ammo and bullet styles. Yes theres probably guns just as reliable but I can about bet the farm that when I plunk down my 500 bucks on a glock it will run. No matter what caliber, barrel length, mag capacity or frame size. There guns you can trust your familys life to that don't take starving your family to buy. heck ive plunked down 3k in todays dollar for a high end 1911 that doesn't run one bit better then a 500 dollar glock.
It sounds like you all are suffering from a very bad case of "Glockitus"! LOL Hopefully you can find a cure or Glock can make you a vaccine that will take care of your woes . . . :-)

[Ruger45Bisley]

The 19/23 size is awesome, but I have to ask why not just rely on the 23? I've loaded a bunch for both .40 and 10mm and check out these numbers of mine:

Stock Gen4 G29 10mm:
180gr Gold Dot, 9.2gr Longshot @ 1.250": 1,178 AVG

Stock Gen4 G23 .40:
180gr FMJ, 8.2gr Longshot @ 1.130": 1,152 AVG (BTW 8.5gr gave 1,210 AVG)

None of these are absolute max for either, but still warm enough for stock guns.

Stock Gen4 G29 10mm
200gr Nosler JHP, 8.5gr Longshot @ 1.250": 1,104 AVG

Stock Gen4 G23 .40:
200gr Nosler JHP, 7.0gr Power Pistol @ 1.125": 1,041 AVG

Power Pistol =

Stock Gen4 G29 10mm
180gr Gold Dot, 8.5gr Power Pistol @ 1.250": 1,088 AVG

Stock Gen4 G23 .40:
180gr Gold Dot, 7.2gr Power Pistol @ 1.125": 1,065 AVG

What you get from a 29 (or a hypothetical 23 sized 10mm) wouldn't be much better than what's already being given by the 23, just some food for thought.

[Lonegun1894]

It sounds like you all are suffering from a very bad case of "Glockitus"! LOL Hopefully you can find a cure or Glock can make you a vaccine that will take care of your woes . . . :-)

Oh, don't get me wrong, I still prefer a 1911 or good revolver over a Glock, but Glocks also work just fine for most things, and there's just times I prefer to carry something that I really don't care if it gets wet or something.

[Lloyd Smale]

yes but a switch to aa9 will buy you an honest 100-150 fps increase over those speeds in a 20 with safe pressures. In a 29 it would give you the same performance level you would get with a full sized 40 in a much more compact unit.
The 19/23 size is awesome, but I have to ask why not just rely on the 23? I've loaded a bunch for both .40 and 10mm and check out these numbers of mine:

Stock Gen4 G29 10mm:
180gr Gold Dot, 9.2gr Longshot @ 1.250": 1,178 AVG

Stock Gen4 G23 .40:
180gr FMJ, 8.2gr Longshot @ 1.130": 1,152 AVG (BTW 8.5gr gave 1,210 AVG)

None of these are absolute max for either, but still warm enough for stock guns.

Stock Gen4 G29 10mm
200gr Nosler JHP, 8.5gr Longshot @ 1.250": 1,104 AVG

Stock Gen4 G23 .40:
200gr Nosler JHP, 7.0gr Power Pistol @ 1.125": 1,041 AVG

Power Pistol =

Stock Gen4 G29 10mm
180gr Gold Dot, 8.5gr Power Pistol @ 1.250": 1,088 AVG

Stock Gen4 G23 .40:
180gr Gold Dot, 7.2gr Power Pistol @ 1.125": 1,065 AVG

What you get from a 29 (or a hypothetical 23 sized 10mm) wouldn't be much better than what's already being given by the 23, just some food for thought.

[Love Life]

Don't overlook 800X for the 10mm.

[Ruger45Bisley]

yes but a switch to aa9 will buy you an honest 100-150 fps increase over those speeds in a 20 with safe pressures. In a 29 it would give you the same performance level you would get with a full sized 40 in a much more compact unit.

I've not messed around too much with AA9 but I've never had much luck with it, well by that I mean I don't get top velocity from it compared to say 800x or other such powders. Looking back over my notes, 14.5gr AA9 (keep in mind AA's max is 13.5gr) from a 4.6" G20 got me an average of 1175 fps. From my loadings I've come to the conclusion that as a whole, a warm 10mm will have about around 100 fps advantage over a warm .40 given similar barrel lengths. For instance:

Gen4 29 with 4.2" KKM barrel:
180gr Gold Dot, 10.0gr Longshot @ 1.250": 1,303 AVG

Gen4 23 with 4" KKM barrel:
180gr XTP, 8.5gr Longshot @ 1.130": 1,208 AVG
(Note both are .5gr above book max - 9.5gr for 10mm, 8.0gr for .40)

Even with 200gr WFGNC casts and 800X, a stout load from a 29 would give around 1250 (since I was getting about 1300 from a G20) where I've ran the same cast to 1150 from the 23. Realistically, 100 fps means nothing in whether something will work or won't work, at that point it's a toss up, especially for "castboolits" and even for jacketed.

[jmorris]

I have had glocks for years but didn't shoot my favorite one until last week.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c7OZoOBYc0

[garym1a2]

Glock 30S is not that far off. It has the thin slide like the 36 and is a double stack 45acp. Its about the same size as my G19 except the grip is a fatter. They say the standard mag holds 10 rounds, but I can only get 9 in mine. It is a good shooter too, though I prefer my G19.


a .40 the size of my 43, a 10mm and 45acp the size of my 23. Id sell guns to buy all three!

[FergusonTO35]

Jmorris, I think that's as much fun as you can have with your clothes on. Are you an NFA manufacturer?

[warboar_21]

I have had glocks for years but didn't shoot my favorite one until last week.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c7OZoOBYc0
Back in 95 Glock reps came to our base and brought the Glock 18 with them. We had just formed a SRT (swat) team and were looking for weapons. We were able to shoot the model 18 quite a bit but ended up not buying them due to finding out that our base had just been put on the closure list.
That gun was a lot of fun to Shoot.

[HiVelocity]

C'mon guys, "think OUT of the box!" Lol!

How about a Glock carbine, your choice of caliber, that take regular Glock mags?

They've done about "everything" with the AR-15 platform, I suspect this idea is somewhere on a R&D drawing board as we crave, "MORE".

HV

[Love Life]

Thureon Defense

[Bigslug]

How about they quit on that "Oh so very '80's" concept of double stack magazines that merely give you more opportunities to miss, and give us some DUTY-SIZED single-stack guns THAT ACTUALLY FIT PEOPLE'S HANDS in all of their usual calibers? IOW, a Colt Commander proportioned Glock running about 8+1 .45's or 10+1 9mm.

[Love Life]

If Glock made single stacks, I'd just buy a 1911. They (Glocks) only give people more opportunities to miss if the shooter does not practice.

As a nation of gun owners we need to start a rangeshaming campaign of people who only shoot at 7 yards. J/K LOL...sort of.

[Bigslug]

If Glock made single stacks, I'd just buy a 1911. They (Glocks) only give people more opportunities to miss if the shooter does not practice.

In principal and practice, I am with you, HOWEVER, the Glock system is a better option for a lot of less-serious practitioners economically, and for the less knowledgeable "gunsmiths" who can only solve problems by replacing parts, rather than tuning them. A full-size, single stack Glock would give something of the ergonomics of the 1911 without as many of the "advanced user" traits. Basically, a sports car with an automatic transmission, being delivered at a Toyota Corolla price tag.

[jmort]

I knew the Glock Kool-Aid was strong medicine, but that 1911 sauce must be be a seriously strong mind-altering potion. I don't have a problem with Glocks, just don't like the feel, my right, and the 1911 is not my cup of tea either. Now that opinion is based on range guns. Maybe if I spent some $$$, got some skin in the game, I would become a fan-boy of either or both.

[dragon813gt]

I wear a size 9 glove. The standard frame Glocks fit my hand just fine. If you aren't aware a size 9 is small for an adult male. Even the standard G20 isn't to wide for my hands and is controllable. But the SF fits better.

There are lots of options for smaller handguns if a Glock doesn't fit you. As far as the 7 yard remark from LL...I resemble that remark ;)

[Love Life]

. As far as the 7 yard remark from LL...I resemble that remark ;)

Everybody owes it themselves to practice at 25, and farther if possible. Being good at 25+ means you'll be good to great at closer ranges. It is not a vise versa kind of thing...

[dragon813gt]

Everybody owes it themselves to practice at 25, and farther if possible. Being good at 25+ means you'll be good to great at closer ranges. It is not a vise versa kind of thing...

I know. I severely cut my right thumb back in May. I'm sort of learning to shoot all over at this point. No point in shooting at 25 yet. I will get back there at some point. Right now it would just be wasted components.

[jmort]

I have "large" hands by the book, 10 inches circumference, 7.75" length, and size 13 1/2 wedding band. But I prefer smaller/thinner grips. I use "gun-fighter" style grips for my single actions. 1911 grip feels good to me and Glock is just not comfortable for me. Just does not feel "right." I like DA/SA guns with external hammer and a decocker. I think shooting at 25 yards makes sense, as does shooting at varying distances out to as far as you want. I agree, short range cannot make up for long range, but I see a benefit of practice at shorter ranges as well.

[Love Life]

Just busting you chops there Dragon813GT!

[Walkingwolf]

Everybody owes it themselves to practice at 25, and farther if possible. Being good at 25+ means you'll be good to great at closer ranges. It is not a vise versa kind of thing...I am not concerned much with any distance that I can flee from, or seek cover. I practice point shooting(no use of sights) at 10 to 15 yards on paper plates. Using sights is like riding a bicycle, IMO, once learned the principles of sight picture, trigger control it simply does not go away. I can hit further out than 25 with sighting, but I don't expect to have a problem at that distance. Point shooting is more like playing basketball, the skill has to be practiced to maintain the same level of accuracy.

[jmort]

^^^ If you can point shoot and hit paper plates at 15 yards that is good shooting. Still, I think shooting at varying distances as close and far out as you can/want makes sense.

[Lonegun1894]

I am not concerned much with any distance that I can flee from, or seek cover. I practice point shooting(no use of sights) at 10 to 15 yards on paper plates. Using sights is like riding a bicycle, IMO, once learned the principles of sight picture, trigger control it simply does not go away. I can hit further out than 25 with sighting, but I don't expect to have a problem at that distance. Point shooting is more like playing basketball, the skill has to be practiced to maintain the same level of accuracy.

I know it's not likely, but I figure I will only be DEAD wrong once, so I practice out to at least 100yds with all my carry guns, and to 200yds with a couple of them. It is no problem to keep all shots from my 2 1/4" Ruger SP101 .357 in a B-27 target out to 100yds. Not saying a nice tight group, but in the target. Now my 5" Springfield 1911 .45 or my 4" Ruger Security Six .357 will both keep all shots in the head/neck of said target at 100yds and in the chest out to 200yds.

[dragon813gt]

Just busting you chops there Dragon813GT!

I know, I'm harder on myself than anyone can ever be. I have never been a great shot w/ a handgun. But I was always proficient. I felt comfortable that I could protect myself and loved ones if need be. I can't say that now. My grip is completely compromised. It's hard to explain to someone. The upside is that I'm trying to get rid of any bad habits as I relearn. Just wish I had more time to practice.

[dkf]

How about they quit on that "Oh so very '80's" concept of double stack magazines that merely give you more opportunities to miss, and give us some DUTY-SIZED single-stack guns THAT ACTUALLY FIT PEOPLE'S HANDS in all of their usual calibers? IOW, a Colt Commander proportioned Glock running about 8+1 .45's or 10+1 9mm.

Buy a Kahr then.

[Bigslug]

Buy a Kahr then.

DAO, therefore, no thanks.

[garym1a2]

If you want to be skilled with a handgun run a few USPSA matches in production class or single stack.

Everybody owes it themselves to practice at 25, and farther if possible. Being good at 25+ means you'll be good to great at closer ranges. It is not a vise versa kind of thing...

[dkf]

DAO, therefore, no thanks.

LOL. Just buy a 1911 then.

[Lonegun1894]

LOL. Just buy a 1911 then.:violin:

You mean it's possible to buy just one? I'm glad I didn't read this years ago! :kidding::brokenima

[Jupiter7]

DAO, therefore, no thanks.
Nope, not really DAO, striker fired, cam trigger. Best trigger over anything in the class. Those that have them know.