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Artful
10-17-2015, 04:39 PM
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3349444/posts
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Sturm, Ruger & Co. is getting into the ammunition business for the first time, partnering with a Georgia company to produce what it calls a “revolutionary bullet” that “changes everything you know about ammo.”

Ruger, which is headquartered in Connecticut but has a major facility in Newport, will be putting its brand on bullets produced by Savannah-based PolyCase Ammunition LLC for a .45-caliber handgun and .38-caliber pistol. PolyCase has a pending patent on its process, which injects a dense polymer copper matrix into a mold.

The resulting bullet in the PolyCase Ruger ARX line has several advantages over the traditional metal jacket bullet, according the company’s website, most notably that it’s cheaper and faster to produce with very little waste and doesn’t contain lead.

In addition, the bullet is recyclable to some extent – it can be melted down and the copper recovered,
The website says the bullet has grooves on its nose that, “when combined with the bullet’s forward velocity into soft tissue … causes an increase pressure of the fluid. As a result, the fluid is laterally ejected from the flutes at a higher velocity than the actual speed of the bullet itself, creating the massive cavitation and wound channels.”

Thus the bullet “feeds like a round nose, yet retains stopping power and terminal performance that exceeds most expanding handgun bullets.”

The bullet design is “shockingly different in terms of looks, design, materials, function, and consistency in performance” exudes Bob Owens, the Editor ofBearingArms.com (http://bearingarms.com/), a gun rights website.

The technology certainly impressed Ruger, whose CEO, Mike Fifer, said the PolyCase technology “seemed a perfect fit.”

It also means Ruger is getting into the consumables market, noted Dan Meador, a blogger on the gun industry at Seeking Alpha. The move could help smooth out the firm’s revenue stream in a very volatile market.
“Guns are made to last,” said Meador. “In most cases, a Smith or Ruger gun is made to last a lifetime. However, those buyers will eventually need something to feed their guns at the range. That is where we have consumables.”

The deal will mean about 25 to 35 new positions at the Georgia plant, said Drew Gorman, PolyCase’s vice president of business development. For Ruger, it will mainly mean royalty revenue from a licensing agreement, details which were not disclosed.

“But I think more than royalties, it will help the company’s brand awareness,” said Gorman.

Ruger did not return a phone call before deadline.


Wonder who will make a mold for lead for one like it?

DougGuy
10-17-2015, 05:17 PM
Hmm.. 114gr 1260fps 402ft/lbs about $1.10 per round. Says it has "stopping power and terminal performance that exceeds most expanding handgun bullets."

I think I would email them and ask which expanding handgun bullet that it did NOT out-perform and then buy that brand..

Schrag4
10-17-2015, 05:26 PM
I had heard about this ammo before, and I've seen many dismiss it. I'd like to see some test results.

One thing I just now thought about - does this ammo conform to the Hague Convention that prohibits expanding bullets? Does that even matter?

nvbirdman
10-17-2015, 05:54 PM
The Hague rules only apply to the military, not civilian use.

shooter93
10-17-2015, 06:01 PM
If Gov. couldn't handle Black Talon ammo how long before they get all over this stuff?....the Hague Convention always seemed a bit strange to me. You can bomb them, tear them to shreds with Artillery, burn them with Napalm or flame throwers, use land mines and all the other weapons but for heavens sake make sure you shoot them with a civilized bullet.

Artful
10-17-2015, 06:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIh588bBZOI

fryboy
10-17-2015, 06:05 PM
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3349444/posts
http://www.nhbr.com/images/cache/cache_8/cache_b/cache_2/bullet72-8c8cd2b8.jpeg


Wonder who will make a mold for lead for one like it?

i think that they were inspired by this thread lolz

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?181398-phillips-head-anyone

Artful
10-17-2015, 06:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7_C6kNfjiA

DW475
10-17-2015, 06:14 PM
Interesting bullet for sure, i'll probably buy a few boxes if i see it just to add to the Black Talon collection!

bdicki
10-17-2015, 06:16 PM
i think that they were inspired by this thread lolz

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?181398-phillips-head-anyone
That was the first thing I thought of.

merlin101
10-17-2015, 06:21 PM
Interesting bullet for sure, i'll probably buy a few boxes if i see it just to add to the Black Talon collection!
Same here.

Artful
10-17-2015, 06:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA19Y0cUXes

dkf
10-17-2015, 08:18 PM
Most likely Ruger is just getting the ammo maker to put their name on another makers ammo. Kinda like SIG, Colt and others. I have never seen much appeal to very light for caliber bullets, especially plastic ones. The .458socom ammo does make a mess out of hog innards though from what I have seen. Though it appears accuracy can be hit or miss.

country gent
10-17-2015, 08:37 PM
Curious if this has been thru the FBI tests? Soft tissue isnt the only issue for defense ammo. How does it perform against heavy winter clothing? mild barriers? Penetration in home materials? Theres a whole spectrum of issues here. The FBI has a series of testing for ammo desighned after the flordia debacle got agents killed with ammo that didnt perform well accrost the spectrum. Super Vel, Glassers, PMCs tubular bullet ( sorry cant remeber its name) rounds loaded with multiple bullets, Light for caliber heavy for caliber have all been touted as the next sliced bread, but most are no longer around or very obscure, while the old stand bys keep chugging along.

MtGun44
10-18-2015, 02:11 AM
Not holding my breath.

We will see.

Mk42gunner
10-18-2015, 06:29 PM
So now your ammunition is going to be twist dependent on if it works? Most small arms have right hand rifling twist, the 1911A1 (at least the Gov't ones) have left hand twist. I'm not sure of the other makes and models, but I forsee problems with this design.

Unless I am missing something, (very possible, I didn't read all links or watch all the videos) this bullet is basically designed as a pump. What happens when you drive a pump backwards? Not much work gets done.

I might buy a box for the novelty factor, but I can't see using for anything serious until those questions are answered.

Robert