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detroitcharlie
10-04-2015, 06:13 PM
I got the LEE TL309-230-5R mold to shoot a big honking piece of lead for subsonic loads in my 300 Blackout. There seems to be a lot of controversy concerning this round. Being the contrarian that I am, I figured let's prove it is indeed a reliable boolit.

Other users of this boolit have reported mixed results. It seems that the main issue is 'tumbling' and poor accuracy. Remedies for this are crimping on a .310 or .311 GC to cutting off the boat tail, leaving behind a plain base shank for a GC to go on. I've heard various reports that the biggest issue is the spin (or lack thereof) contributing to tumbling and poor accuracy. Admittedly, the bullet design is kinda weird for a cast boolit, given the boat tail design. Before giving in to modifying the boolit I thought I'd just give it a try myself, so, here's what I did.

Gear:
300 BLK 16" pistol gas length (not cut down, full 16") 1:8 twist from KAK. http://www.kakindustry.com/ar-15-parts/upper-parts/barrels/contract-300-16-inch-pistol-melonite-barrel
Standard low profile .750 gas block (non-adjustable).
Spikes Tactical Carrier group (nothing fancy.) http://www.spikestactical.com/bolt-spikes-mp-tested-bolt-assembly-556-p-326.html

Boolit:
LEE TL309-230-5R http://leeprecision.com/mold-dc-tl309-230-5r.html
.309 Diameter
230 Grain
Tumble Lube
5 Ogive Radius

I cast the boolit with 50% double fluxed range lead and 50% Super Hard Alloy Ingot (30%-Antimony, 70%-Lead) from Rotometals. http://www.rotometals.com/product-p/superhardalloy.htm . I'm sure there was probably about 4-5% tin in the range lead as well, but I did not add any. I poured my lead at 750 degrees. I prepped the mold with a little drop-out beforehand. I let the boolits air cool. They are too big to water quench. Dropping them in a bucket of water will cause most of them to distort, bend, crack or snap. If you are shooting these as subs, there really is no need to water quench in my opinion. After air cooling, I tumbled the boolits in walnut medium for about and hour just to clean them up and smooth them out. I then applied TWO (important) coats of Ben's Liquid Lube (BLL). I waited about 3 hours in between coats. My reasoning for doing two coats is because the boolits were designed to be tumble lubed and considering the boolit design tends to not leave much for the rifling to affect spin, I felt a double coat wouldn't hurt and could provide more friction in my 1:8 twist to stabilize the round at 1080 FPS (target velocity). Here is how they turned out:
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I used some Lake City (any mil-brass will do) 5.56 brass to cut down my 300 BLK cases, using the LEE 300 BLK die set (http://leeprecision.com/3-di-300aac-blkout.html). I used CCI's #400 small rifle primers (http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/primers/primer_chart.htm). Using IMR 4227 powder, I selected the only available load data they had on their website. Their load data recommended 10.2 grains (for 230 GR. BER TACT.) (NOTE: I am not recommending this load data, this is the load data "I used" based on what the IMR/Hodgdon website provided, only use after referencing IMR's load data.)
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I decided I would not size these boolits, just use them as cast. I seated the boolits with an over-all length of 2.25". Lee recommends Case with bullet seated OAL is 2.240" (http://leeprecision.com/cgi-data/instruct/90307.pdf) I chose this number based on the ribs in my MAGPUL PMAG 30. The shape and size of the round can cause feed problems in a lot of magazines. I chose only to load 10 at a time.

I was using a $50 red-dot with zero magnification since I don't have a dedicated optic for my 300 blackout upper. But it was good enough for some basic testing. Here's what I got.

25 Yards 150448 50 Yards 150449

I didn't have a chronograph to verify my velocity, but if the load data is correct, It definitely 'felt' well within subsonic velocities. As you can see, I shot 5 rounds in each test. At 25 yards, they grouped nicely. At 50 yards, still not bad at all. I had nothing to compensate for boolit drop so just kinda guessed with the crappy reticle I had. All rounds fed and cycled perfectly with no feed errors or jams. If you look closely at the targets, there is no evidence of tumbling at 25 or 50 yards. I did not test at 100 yards.

So, there you have it. The boolit does what it is supposed to do, fly straight and true. I dunno if my pistol length gas system and 1:8 twist barrel is the reason for better performance, but I will say that I believe the double dose of BLL closed the gap when it comes to creating enough initial friction to get the rifling to do it's job. All-in-all, I would say go ahead and spend the $20 for this mold. I plan on shooting it with a suppressor with a 10 1/2 inch barrel (same specs, 1:8 twist pistol length gas system) in the coming months, I'll report on those results when I do. Good luck and happy shooting =]

runfiverun
10-05-2015, 11:26 AM
I have a 7 twist rifle [16"] barrel and shoot this on top of 3.5grs of 700-x with a sp primer.
anything less opens the groups [from stability issues]
others have reported 4 grs of fast pistol powders do well for them in their bolt guns too.

your recipe with the pistol length gas tube and the slightly slower powders seems to be about right for the AR rifles.
most other combinations [gas tube length and faster powders] will not operate the rifle or shoot well if it does.

Electric88
10-05-2015, 12:09 PM
I recently picked up one of these molds with the intention of casting for a 10 1/2" barrel with a suppressor. I am glad you were able to verify the abilities of this boolit. I'm also thinking about getting back in on the group buy for the MiHec mold now that funds are available, as I have heard it will be good for possibly some hunting.

root
10-05-2015, 12:54 PM
here is what I got before I had to unfortunately sell my upper. to fix a car. Due to going through a very bad time with my parents sick and a VERY costly custody battle for my daughter.
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/armalite_ar50/4227vsh110_zpsa5c43ca4.jpg (http://s136.photobucket.com/user/armalite_ar50/media/4227vsh110_zpsa5c43ca4.jpg.html)

Tests from about 2 1/2 years ago.
I could never get it to cycle and I never ran it with my SWR octane 9HD since I think i reloaded 40 rounds for the gun.
shelved the idea and well ya'll know the rest.

Looks like our only difference was gas tube mine had a carbine length no adjustable.
Mine were water quenched, straight WW, sized, and White label lube tumble.
open BUIS


Can't really wait to get another 300 Blkout upper when the funds are right.

Rich

detroitcharlie
10-05-2015, 01:26 PM
I have a 7 twist rifle [16"] barrel and shoot this on top of 3.5grs of 700-x with a sp primer.
anything less opens the groups [from stability issues]
others have reported 4 grs of fast pistol powders do well for them in their bolt guns too.

your recipe with the pistol length gas tube and the slightly slower powders seems to be about right for the AR rifles.
most other combinations [gas tube length and faster powders] will not operate the rifle or shoot well if it does.

Yeah, it seems to work, I'm gonna see how they fall at 100 yards this weekend.

detroitcharlie
10-05-2015, 01:27 PM
I recently picked up one of these molds with the intention of casting for a 10 1/2" barrel with a suppressor. I am glad you were able to verify the abilities of this boolit. I'm also thinking about getting back in on the group buy for the MiHec mold now that funds are available, as I have heard it will be good for possibly some hunting.

Yeah I'm on the list for that group buy, that's the primary mold I want, but wanted something cheap to tide me over.

detroitcharlie
10-05-2015, 01:30 PM
here is what I got before I had to unfortunately sell my upper. to fix a car. Due to going through a very bad time with my parents sick and a VERY costly custody battle for my daughter.
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/armalite_ar50/4227vsh110_zpsa5c43ca4.jpg (http://s136.photobucket.com/user/armalite_ar50/media/4227vsh110_zpsa5c43ca4.jpg.html)

Tests from about 2 1/2 years ago.
I could never get it to cycle and I never ran it with my SWR octane 9HD since I think i reloaded 40 rounds for the gun.
shelved the idea and well ya'll know the rest.

Looks like our only difference was gas tube mine had a carbine length no adjustable.
Mine were water quenched, straight WW, sized, and White label lube tumble.
open BUIS


Can't really wait to get another 300 Blkout upper when the funds are right.

Rich

Yeah, definite tumbling there. I think the pistol length makes a difference, given the pressure difference. But I still believe that BLL (I call it magic in a bottle) helped with the spin and stabilized it out of the barrel. I dunno, could be off on that, but I didn't size the boolits (didn't want to lose any real estate) and prayed I wouldn't get a stuck boolit as long as I air quenched and didn't get a distorted cast.

runfiverun
10-05-2015, 03:20 PM
my mold only casts the rear 'drive band' over 310 anyway.
if my AAC would accept them at full size I wouldn't run them through the sizer, but it has a tighter chamber than any other 300 I have seen.
I'm using a modified version of 45/45/10 lube and water dropping into a small pail.
aim high at 100 yds,,,, the drop is pretty big @12" airc.

detroitcharlie
10-05-2015, 04:17 PM
my mold only casts the rear 'drive band' over 310 anyway.
if my AAC would accept them at full size I wouldn't run them through the sizer, but it has a tighter chamber than any other 300 I have seen.
I'm using a modified version of 45/45/10 lube and water dropping into a small pail.
aim high at 100 yds,,,, the drop is pretty big @12" airc.

Lol, drop em like a 3-pointer from the baseline with 1 second on the clock. =]