New NOE 360-310 FN "The 35 Thumper"

[Yodogsandman]

Here's my first range report for the new NOE 360-310 FN "35 Thumper" from the recent group buy. These groups were shot in my VZ-24 Mauser, 35 Whelen with a 22" barrel, 1 in 12 twist at 100 yards. The scope used was an old, heavily scarred Bushnel Banner 3x9x40. Shot 5 rounds then waited for the barrel to cool down and shot 5 more for each group. Conditions were 55*F sunny and breezy with 15 MPH gusts. I thought the heft of this bullet would buck the wind good.

Bullets were cast from COWW's and about 2% Sn, oven heat treated at 430*F for an hour and quenched in ice cold water (with ice). As cast weight was 308gr. The bands measured .360" and the nose tapered from .349" to .352" per the NOE drawing. They were sized at .360" dry to seat Hornady GC's and then were coated with three coats of Ben's Liquid Lube. I waited five days for them to age harden after HT before shooting.

I did no special case preparation, just full length resized. Used Win 30-06 brass resized to 35 Whelen. Case lengths ran from 2.465" to 2.477", didn't bother to even trim them to even them up. They were shot 22 times prior without annealing and had been trimmed back once just to even them up. It really is time to do it again.

Starting load was 48.0gr IMR4831 over WLR primers at an O.A.L. of 3.380".

Then went to 49.0gr IMR4831.

Future loads will increase in one grain increments. I plan to try three different powders, IMR4831, IMR4350 and H414 (using magnum primers).

One major mistake in my calculations, though. My magazine box will only allow a C.O.A.L. of 3.200", I loaded these to 3.380" with no regard to that and had to load them one at a time. I found out they were too long at the range! Will try a length that will fit next time.

[Love Life]

Nice!

[35 shooter]

Great start. On the 49 grain load what did the 7 that are clumped together measure?
I know your going to keep moving up on the charge, but i'd try that 49 gr. load again when you shorten the seating depth to match your magazine.

Looks like you came up with a very good design on that boolit to me!

[Yodogsandman]

Great start. On the 49 grain load what did the 7 that are clumped together measure?
I know your going to keep moving up on the charge, but i'd try that 49 gr. load again when you shorten the seating depth to match your magazine.


Looks like you came up with a very good design on that boolit to me!

0.815" center to center without those outer, bottom 3 shots.

I can't take much credit for the design! My contribution was just an idea that Al "Swede" Nelson at NOE could take the old NEI 358-282 GC, make it fit in my gun and it would shoot great. Many others offered suggestions that made it shoot even better! Thanks guys! Al did all the drawings and really made a great mold! Thank you Al!

[35 shooter]

A seating depth of 3.2" will still be touching the rifling on that boolit?
And yep i'm curious about this boolit lol!

[Yodogsandman]

A seating depth of 3.2" will still be touching the rifling on that boolit?
And yep i'm curious about this boolit lol!

Yes, at 3.200" C.O.A.L. it just barely starts to engrave on the nose maybe .010".

[Blackwater]

Dang it, Yodog! I've got 2 .35's now, and only have 2 200 gr. moulds, and you've got me wanting one! This is gonna' cost me MONEY, and right here at TAX TIME, too! I knew better than to click on this thread, but I didn't do better, so it's MY fault I know, but we live in modern times, and it ain't fashionable to take the blame myself, so I'm blaming YOU for this! HAR!

Seriously, thanks for the report. That would make a great load down here in the swamps if we ever get inundated by lions and tigers and bears. Might even kill a whitetail, too. Keep us posted. My 2 .35's are a Whelen AI and I'm to pick up my .35/.303 Imp. tomorrow, and both might make good use of that bullet. What is the twist rate on your barrel?

[Yodogsandman]

1 in 12 twist. This boolit will be stabilized at 1800 FPS in a barrel twist as slow as 1 in 16.

[Yodogsandman]

This is my second range report. Trimmed the cases to 2.466" just to square them off and make them all the same length. Changed the C.O.A.L. to fit my magazine. I was able to seat them to 3.250". Powder charges were increased to 50.0gr and 51.0gr of IMR4831. The barrel was not cleaned before shooting these or the last groups. Unburned kernels of powder were left there with no attempt to even use a dry patch between range trips or groups.

[35 shooter]

Yodog that boolit is wanting to shoot no matter what the powder charge is so far. Seems to be getting better the hotter you go so far...NICE!!

[Yodogsandman]

With the 3 day Columbus Day weekend, I was able to get another range trip in (trip #3). The only change was increasing the powder charges to 52.0gr and 53.0gr IMR 4831.

I can't explain the bottom flyer on the first target (52.0gr) other than it felt like something moved on the front rest as the shot broke. That shot opened the group up to 2.405". This was the first shot of the second volley of 5 shots with a cold barrel and I had slid the rifle back and forth in the bags before this shot.

The second target shows horizontal stringing. It could be good omen or bad....

[nockhunter]

Looks like somewhere between 51g and 52g is the sweet spot.

Mike

[Yodogsandman]

Range report #4. I brought my chronograph but, didn't bother to set it up because of the strong winds. I increased the powder charges to 54.0gr and 55.0gr IMR 4831. Cheating a little bit, I weighed bullets to +/- 0.5gr before giving them 3 coats of BLL. About one in five was either above or below the mean weight of 313.5gr with GC's installed Cases used for the 55.0gr load were not trimmed like the others and ran from 2.472"-2.483". I'll trim them before loading those up again.
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Winds were strong and gusty today from 10-20 MPH. I had to use two 1 1/2" roofing nails, top and bottom, to hold the targets down and that wasn't enough at times. The bull pines were even swaying! The first target blew down after the first volley of 5 rounds and when I set it back up, got it upside down without noticing. I shot at it without changing it anyway because of the other shooters and it's already large size group. By the end, the 55.0gr target lost the bottom roofing nail and I had to shoot when it wasn't flapping. Notice that at 53.0gr the group was enlarged and mostly horizontal and at 54.0gr it was enlarged and almost vertical. 55.0gr seemed to want to go back together in a tight group but, with this wind, who knows. I still have room in the case for one or two more grains of IMR4831 powder. No pressure signs at all but, I noticed that the case mouths are no longer as sooty as before.

The 54.0gr groups, when put together would probably be about 4". The 55.0gr group was 2.490".

Looks like it's time to adjust the scope setting, the next groups could fall off the target.

[35 shooter]

Not bad results at all on the 55 gr. load considering the up to 20 mph winds. I'd try that one again on a better day for sure.

[Yodogsandman]

Range report #5. Increased the powder to 56.0gr IMR4831 and changed O.A.L.'s to "tune" barrel harmonics using the bullet jump in the barrel. So, shot 5 rounds of 56.0gr loads with O.A.L.'s from 3.230" down to 3.200" in .010" increments.

Conditions today were just a little better than last week. 54*F, cloudy, 10 MPH winds with 15 MPH gusts. This was after the end of a storm that came through last night. When I uncased my rifles at the range, they immediately became covered with condensation.

The edges of the fired primers are still very rounded but, noticed that they have changed and look a little more flattened. There was barely any movement of powder kernels with 56.0gr when the O.A.L. used was 3.200", when shaking the finished round next to my ear.

I hooked up the chronograph today and velocities are not as fast as I thought. This is for the 10 shot string using 56.0gr IMR4831 at 3.240" O.A.L. ....

Av Velocity....2041 FPS
ES................40
SD................11

Here is the photo from the first 56.0gr IMR4831, 10 shot group (2.745") at 100 yards with an O.A.L. of 3.240". The next is a 5 shot 100 yard group (1.020") with an O.A.L. of 3.200". I didn't bother with photos of the 3.230", 3.220" or 3.210" O.A.L.'s because there was nothing special about them.

3.230".....2.090" group
3.220".....2.515" group
3.210".....2.790" group

[35 shooter]

Looking good for sure!! Gonna try that 51 gr. load again at that seating depth too along with the 56 gr.?:bigsmyl2:

[Yodogsandman]

Thanks for the encouragement, 35 shooter! Hmm, probably try .005" on either side of and the 3.200" O.A.L. again with 10 shot groups.

My target velocity was 2300 FPS so, thinking about which powder to try next. Will probably try W760 or H414 with magnum primers. Magnum primers are normally recommended for igniting cases full of ball powders in colder climates. I like being able to meter the charges too, instead of weighing each one.

[35 shooter]

Looking forward to the results with the ball powder. Sure is working out to be a really good boolit for the whelen.

I'll try to give it a go with some imr 4350 soon in mine.

[35 shooter]

Okay ...made a dummy round up just a few minutes ago. Kept seating deeper till i had about 1/16" land engagement on the nose. I wound up with a overall length of 3.200" and just shy of the top end of the crimp groove....should be about perfect!! Still have room to seat deeper and keep the check in the neck if need be.

We're rained out here for a few days, but i'll get some loaded and ready with imr4350.

I must admit it is an impressive looking round seated in a whelen case!

[Yodogsandman]

Glad to hear that it fits your chamber and throat so well, too. I hoped it would fit any modern SAAMI 35 Whelen chambers real good. The older wildcat 35 Whelen rifles were all over the place chamber wise and there's just no way to fit them all.

FWIW, penetration on game should be great, sectional density is .342, the same as a .457" 500gr bullet.

http://www.beartoothbullets.com/rescources/calculators/php/density.htm?bw=310&bd=.360

[5Shot]

I'll be watching this one - hoping to get similar results. I picked up a mould with a full set of pins. The HP version drops right at 300 grains. Definitely looks like a THUMPER!

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/709/23575068366_ea65ff9a74_b.jpg

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[Yodogsandman]

Continuing load work and switching over to testing H414 powder. Note that the boolits used were the last of the batch, some heavier and some lighter than the +/- .5gr mean weight and not weighed for these groups. Conditions were tough, wind wise, switching angles and intensity with 5-20 mph gusts.

[Yodogsandman]

Here's a photo of 50.0 gr IMR4350. The bottom two shots are both the first of each of two 5 shot volleys with the barrel cooled off between volleys.

[Yodogsandman]

Further IMR4350 results.

[5Shot]

Further IMR4350 results.

Have you gone any further with 4831? 56 grains looked real good.

[35 shooter]

I really like your results of 50 to 53 gr. of 4350. Other than the cold bbl. shots, the core groups look good in that range.
Since i already know how much my whelen likes 4350 and based also on 5Shot's pic's of the hollow point version of this boolit, i'll be ordering one for sure now.[smilie=2:

[Yodogsandman]

Have you gone any further with 4831? 56 grains looked real good.

No. I'll go back once I try some more powders. Plenty of time before hunting season to play around. These loads are "outside of the load books" so, I'd like to try to get the most velocity with the best accuracy, of course within safe limits.

[Yodogsandman]

I really like your results of 50 to 53 gr. of 4350. Other than the cold bbl. shots, the core groups look good in that range.
Since i already know how much my whelen likes 4350 and based also on 5Shot's pic's of the hollow point version of this boolit, i'll be ordering one for sure now.[smilie=2:

Those are some great photos! Wish I had the talent for it.

If your weather is warmer, you might not experience the flyers like I am now.

[5Shot]

Finally got to pull the trigger on my 35 Whelen AI (only took like 12 years to finally put one down the pipe). The first shots on target weren't bad at all and, although I have more work to do, I am really pleased with this group. Didn't set up the chrono this time and the load is pretty mild for sure - 48grns WC852, but I think this gun has promise. It was just above freezing, with a light snow, so I would imagine I will have to go through some of this again when it warms up. Will be working my way up to the mid 50's over the next few weeks. I also had a stellar group with 50grns of WC852f, and will be trying some additional loads with that powder too.

These were case with the HP pins, and weighed 300grns. I used WW + 2% and water dropped them. They had aged for several weeks. They were lubed with Javelina 50/50, but I will be switching over to 2500+ lube.

The gun is a Remington 721 with cheap tupperwear stock on it, and it requires some finesse at the bench to shoot consistently. The barrel is a Douglas match grade barrel that has a bit of taper in the bore from breech to muzzle. It was put together by Robert Applegate many years ago, specifically for shooting cast.

The group measures 0.83 C-C. The first 3 are in the cluster on the right, and the final 2 on the left.

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[Yodogsandman]

That looks great! I'm jealous! Bet it only improves too, as the barrel gets broke in!

[5Shot]

I was shocked to say the least, but that bullet is a PERFECT fit in this rifle. Thanks for sending the samples...when the dummy round slid up into the chamber without a hickup and the nose came out lightly engraved from the rifling, I knew I had to order a mold. BTW - my barrel is a 1:12 twist.

I fired 50 rounds and barely have a hint of frost in the bore, at the muzzle. I am going to dry patch it before I go out again, but I don't plan to scrub it.

The 50grn, WC852f load gave one round hole. The rounds above were from 49grns - I tried a different hold for 50 and the gun really settled down. It didn't like downward pressure on the forearm from the rest. When 49 opened up, I figured 50 would be a waste too, so I just shot at the same target. One of the upper holes in the cluster is also from 49, but I don't remember which one, since I just assumed I was fire forming brass and didn't pay attention at first.

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[35 shooter]

Glad you posted on the wc852 as i've been giving a lot of consideration to picking up some surplus powder.

[Yodogsandman]

Going back and resumed testing with H414 using magnum primers. Here's 55.0 gr H414 again while using the magnum primers instead of the regular ones this time.

[Yodogsandman]

57.0 gr H414. It's not looking good!

[Yodogsandman]

Here's 57.0 gr H414. I don't think it likes this powder.

[5Shot]

I have never had much luck with H414 in anything. You have tried some loads that have lots of promise though.

[35 shooter]

I shot some imr 4350 the other day(50 and 52 gr.) with the thumper and got mostly vertical stringing.
Today i tried 53 and 54 gr. with 5 shot groups.
I shot 53 gr. first today and got a 5 shot .794" group @ 100 yds.
54 gr. opened up vertically again.

The shot in the black slightly high and right of the 5 shot group was from one of the earlier vertical groups and had a target paster on it that came flying off while i shot the 53 gr. load. Another paster close to the bullseye came off too.

Guess that's why they call this bullet the Thumper lol. It was thumping the pasters off the target.

Well, i can't seem to get a pic to download tonight.

[5Shot]

Loaded up the next progression - 51.0 to 55.0 grains of WC852f, in 1 grain increments. Groups were not horrible, but I did get some fliers...those might be all me though. In my haste to get loaded up for the weekend trip to the range, I failed to sort the Thumpers by weight (which I did on the prior test). I also switched my lube to 2500+. In retrospect, that might have been a mistake, since I am nowhere near 2500 fps. I will do some more testing, comparing the two lubes.

51.0 had potential, but there was a first round flier from the cold bore, and one additional flier that ruined the group. 3 shots in one hole though. 52.0 was the same. Wish I had weighed all the bullets.

53.0 - pretty happy with this one, as once again, there are 3 rounds in one ragged hole.

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55.0 - although this isn't the best group, it certainly is sufficient...and a real thumper. This one hurts on the back end too. I won't be trying anything beyond this - I don't think it is necessary.

The uppermost holes are from the 53.0 group above.

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[Yodogsandman]

Hey guys, that's some good shooting! I'm going to have to step it up!

5Shot, is your WC852 (F) considered to be the faster lot, like H380?

EDIT: Ha, just found about a half pound of WC852 (marked H380 with a sharpie) from 1997, out on my powder shelf.

[Artful]

Man, you guys are trouble makers.

[5Shot]

Hey guys, that's some good shooting! I'm going to have to step it up!

5Shot, is your WC852 (F) considered to be the faster lot, like H380?

EDIT: Ha, just found about a half pound of WC852 (marked H380 with a sharpie) from 1997, out on my powder shelf.

Yes, this is the lot that is supposed to be H380 burn rate. I have the slower lot as well.

[35 shooter]

Man, you guys are trouble makers.
YEP!:wink: It's all yodog's fault though, he designed a good boolit and now i've got to get another 35 cal. mould!:kidding:

[Yodogsandman]

Man, you guys are trouble makers.

I welcome their posts! Not much info out there on heavy cast boolits for the 35 Whelen... except for a few good Paco articles.

35shooter, just remember, I had a lot of help with the design from the best boolit minds ever.

Thanks 5Shot, I'll have to try some WC852 (F) too, I think it's the fast lot#.

[35 shooter]

I welcome their posts! Not much info out there on heavy cast boolits for the 35 Whelen... except for a few good Paco articles.

35shooter, just remember, I had a lot of help with the design from the best boolit minds ever.

Thanks 5Shot, I'll have to try some WC852 (F) too, I think it's the fast lot#.
Guys, yodog is being very modest here as usual. He came up with the original design for this boolit(which was a very good one imho), then sought out a bit of input on it for any possible improvement to it.

He added a bit of the input to the design, got with AL to draw it up, finalize the design and make it and now we have the 310 Thumper!

Good job yodogsandman!

[Yodogsandman]

[QUOTE=5Shot;3536326
55.0 - although this isn't the best group, it certainly is sufficient...and a real thumper. This one hurts on the back end too. I won't be trying anything beyond this - I don't think it is necessary.

The uppermost holes are from the 53.0 group above.

[/QUOTE]

Be aware and beware, Castpics shows 50.0gr as max load using a 278gr Lyman 358009 for a normal 35 Whelen. I know yours is a AI version.

http://castpics.net/dpl/index.php/reloaders-reference/surplus-powder-data/358-35-whelen

[5Shot]

Be aware and beware, Castpics shows 50.0gr as max load using a 278gr Lyman 358009 for a normal 35 Whelen. I know yours is a AI version.

http://castpics.net/dpl/index.php/reloaders-reference/surplus-powder-data/358-35-whelen

I was using data from Hodgdon #26, and they list 56.0 as the max with a jacketed 300 grain bullet (H380). That being said, there were ZERO signs of pressure and no noticeable change in bolt lift. I don't think the AI gains much of anything in terms of payload over the standard Whelen.

[Yodogsandman]

I didn't check the Hodgdon #26. I don't have their manual. 35ahooter sent a PM and says the Lee manual shows a similar max H380 load. Thanks for letting me know that my concerns were unfounded. From your results, it looks like I should try some WC852 or H380 for myself.

[5Shot]

No problem. I am sure that water dropping them makes a big difference too.

[5Shot]

Made another trip to the range to test out the two best loads from my last outing (53.0 and 55.0 WC852f). The bullets were the same WW + 2%, water dropped, aged for several weeks and this time lubed with 50/50 and a single coat of BLL. I was careful to weight sort the bullets to insure I didn't have any fliers due to my carelessness (again). The first group with 53.0 was nowhere near where I thought it should be, so I did not pull the targets or take pics. 55.0, on the other hand, was spectacular. I had 4 shots that measured 0.804, center to center. The 5th shot (4th of the string) went way high, and I believe it was all me. It was raining a bit, and the tupperware stock got a bit slippery...when I touched off the round, the recoil ripped the forearm right out of my hand and I believe this caused the round to strike high. The last shot went right in the middle of the group, due to me hanging on this time. I think I have found my load - I plan on testing the lubes, head to head, one last time and will pick a winner for my hunting load.

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[35 shooter]

Nice 5shot. That is looking good.
I shot my 53 gr. imr4350 load again today, but made a rookie mistake.
I seated to 3.200" before, but didn't write it down.

The last thing i wrote down when getting my seating depth was 3.220" and 1/16" engagement with rifling.
I went with what i had written down(3.220") and got two 5 shot 6" groups before i realized what i had done.

Got to retry @ 3.200 and 53 gr. again....and yes, this old rifle can be just that touchy on seating depth, which is why i call it "ol contrary" lol.

Also got a real nice scope cut shooting with one hand on the rifle and the other controlling the rear rest. I believe this may be a two handed load.
Took the chrono, but didn't set it up, since it was shooting so wild...grrrrr!

[ton45]

I just picked up that mold from NOE! I can't wait to develop an awesome load for my Ruger number 1 in 35 Whelen and that magical 1-12 twist for this projectile.

[Yodogsandman]

ton45, Welcome to the site! You've made a great mold choice! Please, post your observations and results.

[Yodogsandman]

I experienced sticky extraction with bright scrapes on the case body and case head using 56.0 gr of commercial H-380. The primers were very flattened, too! I had to break down the rest of the cases. I will not shoot loads over 54.0 gr H-380 with this boolit in my rifle again.

[sthwestvictoria]

Great thread on the heavier .358 cast projectiles.
this is another thread around using the .360 300grain from Australia's CBE:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?176720-35-whelen-loads/page3

[brasshog]

I have a long throated Rem CDl in 35 Whelen with a 1 in 16 twist. This looks like a solution to my problem as the RCBS 35-200-FN will only be seated deep enough for the gas check to hide in the brass when set .030 off of the lands. I was considering the NOE 360-245-RN (FN) because it was about 1/8" longer but the loaded round pics on this thread looks dead sexy. Has anyone tried this in a 1in16 twist as of yet ?

[5Shot]

I can measure one and check it for stability on the Berger Bullets program.

[brasshog]

Thank you 5shot. I checked it via the berger twist rate calculator using the NOE diagram measurements and it say's that it should work fine. I had forgotten about that calculator. I like the wide meplate of the 245gr and the size of the optional HP for it but I don't think that it is really long enough for a full caliber depth of seating. The rcbs 3-200-fn is almost a 1/4" too short. The 245 is about 1/8" longer on a caliper & not considering ogive differences for actual seating depth. The 310gr is almost too much for any southern hunting but it might be a "Do it all" type of boolit if I ever get to hunt elsewhere.

[5Shot]

According to the Berger Program and NOE Drawing, it is extremely stable, even down to sub sonic velocity with a 1:16.

[5Shot]

Just wanted to do a quick update. I just took delivery on a second 35 Whelen AI - this time on a M70 Featherweight. Pac-Nor Barrel, 1:14 Twist, 22" length. I had it contoured to match the factory barrel, so it dropped right into the factory stock with no work at all. Instead of a 3X-9X like my Remington, the Fwt has a 1.5x-5x Leupold VX3i.

This time Thumper (water dropped) was lubed with 2500+ and I did not fill the top lube groove. The leade on this rifle is a bit different, as the reamer came from Manson instead of JGS, so the OAL of the loaded rounds was a bit longer. I just wanted to get a feel for how this slug would do in this rifle, as the throat is also a tad bigger than my other rifle and I wasn't sure if the already sized Thumpers would have too much clearance and cause leading. I loaded up 10 with 52.0 grains of WC852f and lit them with Fed 215 primers. Brass was formed from Winchester once fired 30-06, and this was its first firing in the Improved chamber.

I scrubbed the barrel as clean as I could in the 10 or so minutes that I had available, but I know there was still a bit of copper left from my earlier shooting. The first 3 rounds would not be considered a group, but then it settled right down and made a pretty decent group. I did have one unexpected flier, which impacted close to one of the first 3, but that means nothing really, and I am not sure what cause it. The group ended up with 6 rounds in it, minus the 7th round flier which was about 1.5" wide, and the group measured 1.35" C-C. Velocity from the PACT Chrono averaged 2070 FPS (and this load is below max by at least 4 grains, and is 3 grains below the best group from my Remington). A full charge should put this round at over 2300 FPS. The round in the upper lefthand corner was from testing some Speer Hot Cors.

There is more work to do, but it is a promising start.

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[lucifers]

Interesting post !

I have an NEI thumper boolit with a front driving band.

It shoots MOA in a 35W as well.

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[Yodogsandman]

5Shot, That 35 Thumper looks to be a winner in your new rifle! too! Cant wait to see your results when you've had the time to wring it out properly. Still wondering if anyone's taken any game with it.

[5Shot]

I don't know if they have or not, but I think it would plow from stem to stern through anything in NA. I am going to take out my milk jugs with me next time and see how many I can crack.

[35Whelen]

Steve.....the Thumper has drawn blood. I sent a box to an acquaintance who asked to try some in his rifle. He blanked last fall but took a nice fat whitetail buck this year. He hit the deer a bit high, but double lunged and disrupted the spine.....DRT....about an inch hole going out. He shot the buck in Ontario....says the bullet likely made it to Manitoba ;) I can post some pics if you like...I don't think he would mind.

[5Shot]

Steve.....the Thumper has drawn blood. I sent a box to an acquaintance who asked to try some in his rifle. He blanked last fall but took a nice fat whitetail buck this year. He hit the deer a bit high, but double lunged and disrupted the spine.....DRT....about an inch hole going out. He shot the buck in Ontario....says the bullet likely made it to Manitoba ;) I can post some pics if you like...I don't think he would mind.

Let's see them!

[35Whelen]

251494 Entrance wound
251495 Exit Wound
251496 Internal wound

[cwlongshot]

Have you powder coated any?

I have a 358009 clone and powder coated its too big for all my 35’s. :(

CW

[35Whelen]

Not powder coated. Sized to .3595 and two coats of Ben's Liquid Lube. Gas checked

[Yodogsandman]

Congratulations! Nice job! First known kill with the new bullet! How was the reaction?

[35Whelen]

Congratulations! Nice job! First known kill with the new bullet! How was the reaction?

From the e-mail I got from the fellow I sent the slugs to, it was a bang flop Steve....

[cwlongshot]

Bringin' up a older one here!!

I have a Accurate 36-310W ordered. I had the nose shrunk .003 to make room for my PC. Have high anticipations.

Shooting in 358 Win, 35 Whelen & 358 Norma magnum.

CW

[5Shot]

The big ones are fun!

[Astocks2622]

Am I correct in assuming the NOE 360-313-FN-AX2 is the same bullet as the group buy 360-310 FN, just available as a normally stocked item now?

[35Whelen]

Am I correct in assuming the NOE 360-313-FN-AX2 is the same bullet as the group buy 360-310 FN, just available as a normally stocked item now?

Yes...you are correct. Wicked accurate, and you'll be hard pressed to ever recover one from
Game...or an earthen berm

[Astocks2622]

Wonderful, thanks. I'm just getting into casting, and have been enjoying it. Decided I want at least one mold for each caliber I'm shooting, and this one looks great for the Whelen for use here in Alaska.

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[35Whelen]

You won't be disappointed. Moose and bear medicine for sure

[cwlongshot]

Looking at manuals and investigating QL.

I have decided on four powders, two for Whelen and Two for the NM.

3031 & 4198 in The Whelen and cfe223 & N140. After imputing all bullet dimensional figures, all these powders should produce less than 40k at FASTER then my targeted velocities. I dropped these "top" loads (@<40k) by 3.5g and worked back up in .5 steps.

Hoping to shoot and chrono today.

CW

[35Whelen]

49 grains of IMR 4831 gave nice low pressures a nice slow start and was deadly accurate

[TurnipEaterDown]

Some alternative powder selections, and data from "nearby" development that I have done (i.e. different bullets of weight Similar to this NOE 360-313-FN-AX2) might come in useful in your development, so I will list below.
These were from use in a 35 Whelen Improved w/ 1:14 twist, but the capacity doesn't differ grossly from the standard 35 Whelen, and I never could notably exceed book standard 35 Whelen velocities in this firearm of mine.

These combinations listed below are NOT pressure tested, may be Unsuitable for use in any other firearm, may lack description of key determining factors influencing pressure, and are NOT provided as loading advice (only general knowledge).

Woodleigh 310gr weldcore, 3.30" COL, Remington brass, WLR primer, 60° F
XMR 4350, 57 gr, 3512 foot lbs, 2260 feet per second
RL 15, 52 gr, 3238 foot lbs, 2170 feet per second (52 Max in Woodleigh manual, @ 2140 fps w/ standard 35 Whelen)

Hornady 275 gr Round Nose, 3.250" COL, Rem brass, WLR primer, ?° F
RL17, 58 gr, 3514 foot pound, 2400 feet per second

[Cosmic_Charlie]

Over 2000 fps. with a 300 gr. boolit is big medicine! Nice job!!!

[cwlongshot]

I shot my 3031 loads yesterday.

https://rumble.com/vtaeiq-shooting-my-35-whelen-wcast.html

36.5-38g. 1600-1680 fps. ALL @ or just under 1". Pretty pleased @ accuracy but lil slower then I wanted. The next ladder will be 38-40g.

This was with my Accurate 36-310W bullet COWW.

CW

[Win94-356win]

Hello!

New member here! I'm from Sweden and a levergun fan as my username implies.

I am thinking of loading a really heavy for caliber bullet subsonic in my Winchester 1894 .356win.
I can write a long explanation why I am looking at a really heavy bullet another time when I'm not at work typing on my phone.

Do you all with your collective knowledge think it would be possible with this bullet? From what I've read here my 1:12 twist should probably stabilise the bullet at low velocities. What could cause problems is of course the length of the bullet in the somewhat limited 356win case.

Suppressors were made completely free to buy and own for any gun you have here in Sweden a month or so back! Previously you needed a separate suppressor permission.

Happy to finally be a member here, I've spent years lurking and absorbing the knowledge!

[wmitty]

Welcome to the forum and good luck with the .356 loaded down. Was wondering how long the throat might be in your rifle and then it dawned on me the boolit will be seated deep in order to get through the action. With a light powder charge this may work. Let us know how your attempt works out. To push a heavy .35 near subsonic velocity would be an interesting adventure!

[Win94-356win]

Hey, thank you wmitty!

I did some testing and measuring and the chamber on my win94 have a short throat, so short that I found that the bullet in question would have the top driving band near the bottom of the neck in the case. So that's a no-go with that bullet.

I need an expanding bullet to deliver 800Joule/ about 590 footpounds I think, at 100meters to legally hunt deer here in Sweden. That's why I am looking for a really heavy bullet for the .356win.
With a big HP and cast from soft lead it should expand some I hope.

I probably should buy a gun in a caliber more suitable to what I am trying to achieve, but I like to experiment so I'll try to keep you updated if I get this to work somehow.

Edit: My normal over-the-speed-of-sound (hypersonic?) loads are of course well in excess of the required energy with the normal 180 and 200 grain bullets, and I also load some 125 and 158 grain revolver bullets to great effect in this rifle.

[cwlongshot]

Morning Win94-356!

I was worried about OAL in the '94...

I can suggest three molds to you.

Saeco 252 is a 245g gc bullet and a proven accurate and good hunting bullet but small meplat.

MP 359-220 hp. This is about exact profile of the Saeco but with a Small HP. This is a proven 358 bullet. Very accuracy and well
Preformer. https://youtu.be/2jpbN3uu_7Y

Last is the NOE 360-233. This one is a WFN plain base. (Im sure GC aval) I bought specfic for my 358 powder coated and it has been a dandy @ 230+ G.

I shoot that 360/232 subsonic in the Legend and Maxi rifles to good effect.

I have a video showing these and many other excellent 35 Bullets.

https://youtu.be/-aBW-QVGMec

Hope this gives you some Ideas!!

God Bless,

CW