If you were me would you sell JM 450M to pay for a JM LTD 45-70

[9w1911]

Just curious what you guys think, I have a JM 450 Marlin and I have a chance to buy a JM Cby, or LTD 45-70, would you sell the 450 to pay for the 45-70?

[ericp]

Yes, the 45-70 will do everything the 450 will do with more readily available brass + some level of tradition. Also, the cowboy ltd's are the bees knees. I would do that trade in an instant.


Eric

[Nueces]

I've not handled a 450, but do have a Cowboy 45-70, and a more graceful, sweet handling big bore can hardly be imagined. For carriability, it beats the 1886. It's hard to see how they stuffed all that rifle into such a trim package.

[9w1911]

So it is not an out right trade, I will have to sell one to pay for the other. But I am going to do it.

I think i have about 250 pieces of 450 brass.

[tdoyka]

yes, dooo eettttt!!!!

[Bazoo]

Do it! I'd do it in a heartbeat. And lets see some pictures of both please :).

[wonderwolf]

We talking about the 9 shot version here? I've only recently noticed them and kind of like the looks of it. I see one on gunbroker for $1,500....what do they usually go for?

[pietro]

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I did exactly that, more than 10 years ago.

I once had the hots for a .450 Winchester Timber Carbine (Model 94 BigBore), but after shooting/hunting it for an entire season, I sold it & went back to the tried/true .45-70.

Remember, the .450 Marlin was created for those desireous of a .45-70, but who couldn't/didn't handload the .45-70 to a higher performance level.

I felt that I was literally handcuffed by the lack of choice/options that the .450 gave me.


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[9w1911]

It is the 18" ported round barrel version.
I like the gun, it is deadly accurate and I can push some hot loads if I wanted to, but a 45-70 cowboy, c'mon man!!!

Ill post the 450 in an hour or so. I have to walk upstairs lol to get to it.

[Nueces]

A nice Cowboy sold this evening for $675 shipped on SASSWire. Took the better part of a minute.

[knifemaker]

I would sell that 450 marlin in a heart beat for a 45/70 LTD. Ammo for the 450 is going to get harder to find and more expensive and the 45/70 will do everything the 450 will do in the right gun. Also I hate muzzle brakes that you have on that 450. I have a Marlin 1895 LTD-V that will put 3 shots into 1 inch at 100 yards with three different cast loads and with the Hornady 350 gr. FP. Those three loads are hunting loads of 1800-1875 FPS with a 350 gr. Ranchdog cast or the Hornady 350gr. FP and IMR-4198.

[SSGOldfart]

yes, dooo eettttt!!!!
I agree totally

[9w1911]

Someone is holding a JM LTD for me till I can drum up the cash :) hence the selling of the 450

[Wind]

Hey there 9w -- You've got me a little confused by part of your original post, " JM Cby LTD 45-70". The Marlin 1895 Cowboys all have 26" octagonal barrels. Their roll stamp looks like this...

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The longest barrels associated with the 1895 Limited Series were only 24", some being half round as well. Their roll stamp looks like this...

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The Cowboy roll stamp does not include the word "Limited" and the Limited roll stamp does not include the word "Cowboy".

Both Cowboys and Limited's are very desirable rifles. Hope this helps.

Best regards. Wind

[9w1911]

Great info

[BwBrown]

I have a BLR in 450 Marlin.
PM me when the dust settles if your 450 brass would like a new home.

[starmac]

The sensible thing to do would be to sell it and grab the 45/70, but I have a hard time selling one to aquire another. I would most likely keep it and find another way to pay for the 45/70. lol

[pls1911]

yes... in a heartbeat.

[TXGunNut]

Not a fan of the 450M but if you have 250 pieces of brass you have overcome my biggest objection. I have a ported 45/70 Guide Gun that the executor of my estate will have to dispose of but I'd figure out a way to buy a nice Cowboy if the right one came along.

[9w1911]

Yep bought the brass from a member here, I may have more than 250 might even be 300 because I got brass, jwords and die set when I bought the 450 4 years ago.

[wrench man]

I wouldn't, I'd just get the 45-70 outright, you can down load the 450 to 45-70 levels.
I've got an 1895 45-70, 1895M 450 and I've been smacking my lips all week over the 1895 XLR 450 I fondled last week!, it may end up in my safe yet?, if you reload there is no reason to get rid of a 450 Marlin.

[Four Fingers of Death]

For the brass, which is hard to get and expensive, you should almost be able to swap it for a rifle, haha! Personally, I wouldn't bother swapping it, both do about the same with reloads.

[tygar]

I like my 450 Marlin. If the brass doesn't go with the rifle I'm interested in the brass.

[wonderwolf]

Hey there 9w -- You've got me a little confused by part of your original post, " JM Cby LTD 45-70". The Marlin 1895 Cowboys all have 26" octagonal barrels. Their roll stamp looks like this...

149695

The longest barrels associated with the 1895 Limited Series were only 24", some being half round as well. Their roll stamp looks like this...

149696

The Cowboy roll stamp does not include the word "Limited" and the Limited roll stamp does not include the word "Cowboy".

Both Cowboys and Limited's are very desirable rifles. Hope this helps.

Best regards. Wind

http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/bigbore/1895LE.asp
Marlins site says cowboy and limited? also whats JM stand for exactly?

[Wind]

Hey there w-wolf -- Again those are Remlins, built by Remington after the buy-out, not Marlins. JM is a proof mark. The mark first used by Marlin (not Remington!) was an M in a circle - usually stamped on the bottom of the barrel, forward of the receiver. Later, after the Model 1889, the mark was JM (John Marlin) in an oval. The JM proof mark without the oval was authorized June 16, 1986. Even so, some rifles still had the oval and some didn't.

Hope this helps. Best regards. Wind

[wonderwolf]

Hey there w-wolf -- Again those are Remlins, built by Remington after the buy-out, not Marlins. JM is a proof mark. The mark first used by Marlin (not Remington!) was an M in a circle - usually stamped on the bottom of the barrel, forward of the receiver. Later, after the Model 1889, the mark was JM (John Marlin) in an oval. The JM proof mark without the oval was authorized June 16, 1986. Even so, some rifles still had the oval and some didn't.

Hope this helps. Best regards. Wind

Ah, didn't see anything about remlins in the first page, did not realize they had a buy out and hybridized some guns.

Interesting history there it sounds like. So if a guy wanted a new mfg long barreled 45-70 lever action are the "limited" and what looks like discontinued? "cowboy" pretty much his only options? besides a custom job of course.

[Wind]

Hey again w-wolf -- The short story is the Remington buy-out was not good for Marlin. As I have not owned a Remlin, I can't speak for the quality or accuracy - especially accuracy.

In the framework of "modern"... That is a pretty large field to choose from. I'm a fan of the modern Marlin starting in 1893. Then you could special order from the company any barrel length you wanted, up to 36" in length. Here is a restored 1893 in 32-40 with a 32" barrel.

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Here is my 1894 (c. 1894) in 32-20 with a 28" barrel.

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If you're looking for "more modern than these" then I would focus on the Limited's and Cowboys built prior to 2008. All the Limited's are 45-70, and the Cowboy's came in 30-30, 38-55, and 45-70. With the exception of the 45-70 Cowboy (26" barrel) all the others had 24" barrels (except the Limited III) - which was what this thread was originally about!!.

Don't overlook the Winchesters and Winchester clones. These too came with long barrels originally and newer rifles and commeratives also sport long barrels.

It's only money. Hope this helps. Best regards. Wind

[Four Fingers of Death]

I saw some Cowbys advertised in 38Special a few years ago. That would be a super practical rifle and cheap to run.

[9w1911]

So far no tire kickers for the 450 on the Reno Armslist. Mine is a JM stamp 450 made in 2000. I will certainly sell the brass here when I sell the rifle. I can not afford the CBY 45-70 as it sits now, guy wants 950.00, which I think is fair for a JM CBY 45-70.

[Four Fingers of Death]

I wouldn't buy a 450 over a 45/70 but if I had one, I wouldn't bother getting rid of it for a 45/70. Identical performance for a reloader.

[Groo]

Groo here
YES

[wonderwolf]

You got me looking at the long barreled full magazine 45/70 lever actions now, I have zero need for one as I enjoy my sharps in 45/70 immensely. But the thought of a long barreled 45/70 with 7 in the pipe sounds like a lot of fun!

[swamp]

[QUOTE=wonderwolf;3391999]You got me looking at the long barreled full magazine 45/70 lever actions now, I have zero need for one as I enjoy my sharps in 45/70 immensely. But the thought of a long barreled 45/70 with 7 in the pipe sounds like a lot of fun![/QUOT

They are! I have the 1895 CB. Plus they look good.
swamp

[TXGunNut]

You got me looking at the long barreled full magazine 45/70 lever actions now, I have zero need for one as I enjoy my sharps in 45/70 immensely. But the thought of a long barreled 45/70 with 7 in the pipe sounds like a lot of fun!


I'm in the same boat but the mag capacity isn't a draw for me, I just like the long barrel. No idea why, I have a perfectly good Guide Gun that shoots better than most bolt guns. I just like the classic look of a rifle with a 26" barrel.

[W.R.Buchanan]

I am about to start shooting my .45-70 at Short Range Silhouette. In fact I just sized boolits last night.

I have been shooting my 1894CB .44, and been doing well with it.

I had recently replaced the Williams sights on both guns with Lyman 66LA's so now I can make repeatable adjustments to the sights, and once dialed in for the ranges, I should be able to take advantage of the longer sight radius on the big gun.

I have an RCBS .45-300 FNGC mould that they made for me after I bitched about them using the shrink rate for Linotype on all their moulds,,, it drops WW at .461-2 and sizes to .460 perfectly. The earlier one I bought wouldn't make .457 consistently with WW. Those boolits come out around 330 gr. after lube and gas check. The new mould was a present from the Head Duck at RCBS who I spent 45 minutes on the phone with discussing Cast Boolits in the context of CastBoolits.com. He got what I was saying and the new mould proved it.

I am looking forward to dialing this gun in and hopefully there will be a perfect score in that one for me. My best so far is 32/40 but I can see it happening.

Gotta Love these Marlin guns. They are relatively inexpensive because they don't get the hand work other more expensive brands do, and since that hand work is easy for the home gunsmith to do you can end up with a really nice feeling and handling rifle. All of mine are smooth as glass and shoot well. All the instructions are on Leverguns.com and are easy to follow and anyone who can operate a file and sandpaper can do it.

Randy

[wonderwolf]

what Williams did you have on there that was not repeatable?