Who uses shotgun powder for 30-06/bottle neck rounds?

[LAKEMASTER]

I'm kinda curious who regularly uses powders like 700x or 800x for rifle rounds?

I have a ton of 40 and 45 I'm going to start reloading but I hold almost no standard for pistol rounds. As long as they hit paper or cans I'm ok with it.but the 06 I'd like to shoot at 200 yards with hunting accuracy.

It seems 4064 and 4350 are super common in rifle rounds

[Wolfer]

I get very good accuracy out of three 30-06 rifles with 20 gr of 2400 and 311041 at 100 yds. I don't know that I've grouped them at 200. Velocity is right at 1800 fps.

[Bill*B]

I like Steel for reduced cast bullet rifle loads - it seems to burn about midway between Blue Dot and #2400. Very accurate IF you don't try to hot rod it. I like to keep things under an estimated 15,000 psi. You might want to check out this link (http://www.gmdr.com/lever/pistolpowi.htm).

[Outpost75]

WST works well for me in the .30-'06 with plainbased bullets of 8-10 BHN for short range target work to 100 yards at velocities from 900-1300 fps.

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[Nobade]

VV 10B101 works great in the 30-06. It's about the same speed as Blue Dot, 16gr. of it makes a good load behind a Ranch Dog 165 or RCBS 165 SIL.

-Nobade

[LAKEMASTER]

through research on here any various web sites people have said fast powders can strip the bullet and cause fouling/horrible accuracy ect... so as i search for powder to load 30-06 im keeping mind the 40/45 i need to load too.

but, i guess separate powders never hurt anyone.....

[Outpost75]

With fast powders keep the loads below 1300 fps, and 20,000 psi and you will have fine results with bullets of suitable hardness, no harder than 12 BHN, that FIT! No filler is needed, just shoot and enjoy. Try 6-8 grains of Bullseye or 8-10 grs. of Unique, 8-11 grs. of Herco with #314299, no GC in the '06 at 100 yards, or 11-13 grs. of #2400.

[LAKEMASTER]

So if I start going past 1300fps and 20kpsi that's when things get hectic ?

It's it possible to blow up a case due to fast powder?

[Outpost75]

Above 20,000 psi #2400, 4227, 4198, RL7 will do better for you.

[gpidaho]

I use TiteGroup in most any rifle round. Some where around 8gr. or so should work in the 06. Gp

[blixen]

I get very good accuracy out of three 30-06 rifles with 20 gr of 2400...

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my old Sears-Chester mod.70 likes 2400 and also mouse loads with 8ish grains of Green Dot, Red dot and Tite Group. I found that out when 2400 disappeared from the shelves. 2400 gives me 1.5" groups at 100.

Some say 11 gr. Red Dot is "The Load." Seems hot to me and my ancient Lyman manual seems to agree.

[Elkins45]

15-20 grains of 2400 always seems to shoot well, as does 10-12 grains of Red Dot or Unique.

[LAKEMASTER]

if i wanted to use a powder to push my 155 gr ranchdog bullets to 2000 fps for hunting what would be a great choice? gc bullets with BLL

[dougader]

My old plinker used 10 grains Red Dot, taken from the Lyman 46th manual.

In 338-06 I use 15 grains Blue Dot with the Lee 225 grain, and it shows promise while being one of the cleanest burning loads I've fired from a rifle

[fourarmed]

I load the group buy PB bullet with 9 grains of Red Dot, and it is an excellent silhouette shooter out to 150 m. I load a heavier GC bullet for the rams, just to get the momentum.

[GabbyM]

if i wanted to use a powder to push my 155 gr ranchdog bullets to 2000 fps for hunting what would be a great choice? gc bullets with BLL

Alliant 2400 with something like 20.0 to 22.0 grain charge weight. Reloader #7 at 26 to 28 grains would be a great choice too. I like 28.0 grains of RL#7 with the Lyman 160 grain #311672 in my 24" barrel 30-06. It leaves a shinny clean barrel. For the 200 and 220 grain bullets I use a slower stick powder.

[williamwaco]

In order of preference: Unique, Herco, 2400.

I am NOT indicating any powder is better or worse. These are what I started with and never felt a need for anything else.

[Jack Stanley]

I have used a lot of Unique in the aught six case . It's worked very well .

Jack

[Motor]

So if I start going past 1300fps and 20kpsi that's when things get hectic ?

It's it possible to blow up a case due to fast powder?

YES!!!! To quote an old gun magazine writer " an 06' case full of Bullseye will blow anything up"

Or was it Unique? Dosn't matter the results are the same. VERY BAD !!! You plug in any of the fast shotgun/pistol powders and end up with the same thing.

You have to be very careful any time you are loading charges of fast powders. It is easy to double charge a casing and not even have it filled to the top. Double charges are very likely the cause of most reloading accidents. But you can over charge too. That's why you need reliable sources for data.

Lots of good information in this thread. I am personally familiar with some of the recipes posted above although not in an 06' yet but in similar cartridges. One I will share is in 7.62x54R.

160gr 2R TL Lee with gas check. About 15bhn hardness. Lubed with A-Lox. 16gr Unique is the powder charge with a CCI-200 primer. Velocity measured 1850f/s. This load was "worked up" 16gr Unique is where best accuracy was.

Motor

[Mauser48]

Yes you can use 700x. I have been using it in the 30-06 with the lee 113 grain bullet.
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[DrCaveman]

I like my ramshot competition a lot, but aint gonna get 2000 fps on a dare

About 7-9 grains is a super mellow shooting load that gets just above supersonic with most boolits, and is damn near free compared to the rifle powder needed for full loads. Recovered boolits show pretty clean bases and no barrel leading. With 200 grain boolots i use a gas check but the 150-170 dont seem to need it. Tumble lube works fine for that velocity.

Faster loads should probably not use fast shotgun powders for best results, i like the 1300 fps cutoff stated above

[Geezer in NH]

13 grains of red dot is the Harris standard. Worked sweet in every gun I tried.

[JWFilips]

Just my 2 cents: No need to go any slower than 2400 if you are looking for accuracy and Unique, Red Dot will do accuracy very well with cast as long as you are not exceeding 2000 fps and there is no need for faster! If you hunt they will all punch through a deer at 200 Yds..... High FPS is way overrated ( unless you are using jacketed)!

[leadman]

With the velocity you are shooting for a powder like 4198 or Reloder 7 would work well. When the faster shotgun powders are pushed it is more difficult to maintain good accuracy as pressure increases rapidly.
You will need to match your alloy to the pressure of the load. Buy the Lee #2 manual as it has a very good section of alloy versus pressure. I used this info to help me get over 3,600 fps in my Contender 223 Rem with the Lee Bator boolit. You will need a gas checked boolit. Powder coating and coating with Hi-Tek will allow you to cheat a little on alloy strength versus a grease lubed boolit.
H4895 will also work well with the use of about 1 gr of poly-fil as a case filler. This increases pressure some so allow for that when loading with a filler.

[Low Budget Shooter]

The kids and I have had great results in our 30.06 with 13 grains of Unique and 13 grains of Red Dot with the 31141, 175 grains of medium-soft alloy, with aluminum gas check.

[Outpost75]

if i wanted to use a powder to push my 155 gr ranchdog bullets to 2000 fps for hunting what would be a great choice? gc bullets with BLL

40 grains of IMR4064 is about 2200 fps. and cycles an M1 Garand reliably.

36 grs. is about 2000, but may not cycle. Groups shot with ordinary "rack grade" CMP Garand.

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[JWFilips]

There is a whole other world out there for those who want to shoot light to medium loads with cast ( Many times more accurate then the "Book Load"!)
Red Dot or Unique light loads in .30 cal to 35 cal are fun cheap and accurate! You just got to find & decide what you want to do. I for one do not shoot cast with what we can say is "Jacketed" powders.... no need to. If I want to shoot fast ...& Cast accurately The slowest powder I'm using is 2400!
unless you do it/ try it yourself you will miss out on a big accuracy factor!

[aspangler]

I use 35.5 gr Imr 4895 behind the Lee 170 gr gas checked boolit. Very accurate for me and enough power for any deer in the country. YMMV

[JWFilips]

It always amazes me how threads drift from the original OP post: He asked about Shotgun powder in bottle neck cartridges

[blixen01]

Red Dot, Green Dot and Tite Group (shotgun powders?) all do well in my '06 with 175-185 gr. Boolits. I seldom exceed 12 grains.

[gnoahhh]

I shoot more Unique, Bullseye, Red Dot, Clays, and Universal Clays in bottle necked .30's than anything else. 4759, 2400, etc. quite a bit too, but I like the better "bang for the buck" offered by shotgun powders. Now for hunting loads in .30-30/.303 Savage/.30-06/etc. I reach for 3031.

[GhostHawk]

Finally made it to the range with the Mosin's. 13 grains of Red Dot under a 155 gr gas checked boolit worked great in both of the old guns. Only failings were old bad eyes trying to use iron sights. BLL worked great.

I may just have to figure out a way to put a Red Dot type sight on them.

Both me and my buddy were able to get a few in the bull. Lots of smiles at the range when the old russian girls came out to play. Now I have 2 guns to clean, brass to clean and process, boolits to cast.

Hard to tell at 100 yards how much is old hands and eyes and how much is the Rifle.

[aspangler]

Finally made it to the range with the Mosin's. 13 grains of Red Dot under a 155 gr gas checked boolit worked great in both of the old guns. Only failings were old bad eyes trying to use iron sights. BLL worked great.

I may just have to figure out a way to put a Red Dot type sight on them.

Both me and my buddy were able to get a few in the bull. Lots of smiles at the range when the old russian girls came out to play. Now I have 2 guns to clean, brass to clean and process, boolits to cast.

Hard to tell at 100 yards how much is old hands and eyes and how much is the Rifle.


13-14 gr red dot and cast is a great plinking load or short range hunting load. I know. I'll get beat up for the last comment.